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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 12:14:26 GMT
Gallup PollThis from Fox & Friends popped up on twitter. ”A new poll shows only 45% of men and women in the U.S. are 'extremely proud' to be American. That is the lowest amount ever recorded by this poll. What do you think is causing the decline?” The responses from twitter were entertaining as one would expect but it is a good question. New Gallup Poll.. “American Pride Hits New Low; Few Proud of Political System”From the poll... “WASHINGTON, D.C. -- As Americans prepare to celebrate the Fourth of July holiday, their pride in the U.S. has hit its lowest point since Gallup's first measurement in 2001. While 70% of U.S. adults overall say they are proud to be Americans, this includes fewer than half (45%) who are "extremely" proud, marking the second consecutive year that this reading is below the majority level. Democrats continue to lag far behind Republicans in expressing extreme pride in the U.S. These findings are explored further with new measurements of the public's pride in eight aspects of U.S. government and society. American scientific achievements, military and culture/arts engender the most pride, while the U.S. political system and health and welfare system garner the least.” U.S. adults' extreme pride in being American has been steadily weakening in recent years, and the current reading, from a June 3-16 Gallup poll, marks the lowest point to date. However, the latest two-percentage-point decline from last year's 47% is not a statistically significant change. The highest readings on the measure, 69% and 70%, were between 2002 and 2004, after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, when the American public expressed high levels of patriotism and rallied around the U.S. government. Yet, since the start of George W. Bush's second presidential term in 2005, fewer than 60% of Americans have expressed extreme pride in being American. The latest overall declines in patriotism are largely driven by Democrats, whose self-reported pride has historically been lower and has fluctuated more than Republicans'. Democrats' latest 22% extreme pride reading is the group's lowest in Gallup's 19 years of measurement, and is half of what it was several months before Donald Trump's 2016 election victory. For their part, most Republicans have remained extremely proud of their country, and the latest 76% reading is just 10 points below the high recorded in 2003. Even when Barack Obama was in office, Republicans' extreme pride never fell below 68%. Independents have historically been less proud of the U.S. than Republicans have been; currently, 41% express extreme pride -- which is, by one point, the lowest reading in the trend. In order to understand the sources of Americans' pride, Gallup included a new question in the June poll. The question asked Americans whether eight aspects of U.S. government and society make them proud. Strong majorities express pride in six of the eight -- American scientific achievements (91%), the U.S. military (89%), American culture and arts (85%), economic (75%) and sporting (73%) achievements, and diversity in race, ethnic background, and religion (72%). Conversely, the American political system (32%) and health and welfare system (37%) are not sources of pride to most Americans. The greatest disparities in the views of Republicans and Democrats on these eight aspects are seen on American economic achievements (89% of Republicans vs. 64% of Democrats are proud), the U.S. political system (42% of Republicans vs. 25% of Democrats) and the U.S. military (98% of Republicans vs. 84% of Democrats). Record-low American patriotism is the latest casualty of the sharply polarized political climate in the U.S. today. For the second time in 19 years, fewer than half of U.S. adults say they are extremely proud to be Americans. The decline reflects plummeting pride among Democrats since Trump took office, even as Republican pride has edged higher. While neither party group feels proud of the U.S. political system, politics may be affecting Democrats' overall sense of pride in their country more than Republicans', given Democrats' low approval of the president. Democrats' awareness of Trump's historically low presidential approval rating across the international community may also be a factor in this latest decline in patriotism. So too could be Gallup data from earlier this year, which found that just 31% of Americans (including 2% of Democrats) think foreign leaders have respect for Trump. Absent a significant national event that might rally all Americans around the flag, given Democrats' entrenched views of the president, these historically low readings on American pride are likely to continue until Trump is no longer in office. The good news is that despite a slump in overall pride, the country offers many achievements that are a source of pride for Americans -- Democrats and Republicans alike. Learn more about how the Gallup Poll Social Series works.
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Post by pattyraindrops on Jul 6, 2019 12:57:09 GMT
I'm actually surprised that it is that high because I would have guessed that it would have been rare for most people to feel "extreme" pride for most things - extreme is after all...extreme.
I also think timing of when it started can be misleading if you don't think about it. Right after 9/11 I saw more extreme pride than I have ever seen. So to start checking the pride in our nation then makes it seem like a huge drop.
The article does point out some things though like one of the things that dropped it was the political section which seems pretty obvious. I wonder how the Clinton/Lewinsky or the Nixon years would have compared if the poll had been going then. Or how right after WW2 compared with right after 9/11.
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Post by mustlovecats on Jul 6, 2019 13:07:34 GMT
I can’t be proud of our role in the world anymore.
I can be very proud of people who live what I think are American ideals.
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Post by purplebee on Jul 6, 2019 15:32:48 GMT
And along these lines, I'd love some Refupea feedback.
I thought about putting my flag out this week for the 4th holiday. But I realized I was a bit reluctant to do so in fear that someone might think I am a Trump supporter, you know, the whole MAGA bit...
It made me sad as I have always been patriotic and proud of my country up until now. Am I the only one who is having this type of reaction as a result of the hypocritical hyper-patriot types who seem to be on the front lines of the current Republican party?
I didn't put the flag out, BTW.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jul 6, 2019 15:42:23 GMT
And along these lines, I'd love some Refupea feedback. I thought about putting my flag out this week for the 4th holiday. But I realized I was a bit reluctant to do so in fear that someone might think I am a Trump supporter, you know, the whole MAGA bit...
It made me sad as I have always been patriotic and proud of my country up until now. Am I the only one who is having this type of reaction as a result of the hypocritical hyper-patriot types who seem to be on the front lines of the current Republican party? I didn't put the flag out, BTW. I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. I've flown a flag for every holiday for the past 5 decades because I'm proud of what it stands for and for the people who have died defending the right to fly it. JMHO of course.
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Post by mustlovecats on Jul 6, 2019 15:51:59 GMT
And along these lines, I'd love some Refupea feedback. I thought about putting my flag out this week for the 4th holiday. But I realized I was a bit reluctant to do so in fear that someone might think I am a Trump supporter, you know, the whole MAGA bit...
It made me sad as I have always been patriotic and proud of my country up until now. Am I the only one who is having this type of reaction as a result of the hypocritical hyper-patriot types who seem to be on the front lines of the current Republican party? I didn't put the flag out, BTW. I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. I've flown a flag for every holiday for the past 5 decades because I'm proud of what it stands for and for the people who have died defending the right to fly it. JMHO of course. I don’t think it is ridiculous. Today’s political situation has made a lot of us re evaluate what it means to be patriotic and what the flag stands for and what it means to be proud of our country. And what it represents in our culture and community today to fly a flag. I have very complicated feelings about it all. I don’t fly a flag outside my house because I’m not sure it makes a statement I want to make. Honestly I have felt conflicted about that statement since “love it or leave it” was the flag waving rallying cry back during Desert Storm. It feels like a polarizing symbol sometimes and I don’t think feeling conflicted is ridiculous at all.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 6, 2019 15:54:26 GMT
In order to understand the sources of Americans' pride, Gallup included a new question in the June poll. The question asked Americans whether eight aspects of U.S. government and society make them proud. Strong majorities express pride in six of the eight -- American scientific achievements (91%), the U.S. military (89%), American culture and arts (85%), economic (75%) and sporting (73%) achievements, and diversity in race, ethnic background, and religion (72%). Too bad those in charge don't agree with the people! I have a great deal of pride in the American people in general, but we are not looking so good to the world.
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Post by stittsygirl on Jul 6, 2019 16:04:25 GMT
I want to put out an American flag, a US Army flag (husband is retired Army with 31 years total military service and I’m prior service), and Gay and Trans Pride flags as well to represent my children. I’d love to hear what my MAGA, “Trump 2020” flag-waving neighbor could say about that.
But no, I’m one who is not very proud of my country the way things are now.
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Post by Merge on Jul 6, 2019 16:14:32 GMT
Jingoism is not a desirable national trait IMO.
Of course, the right is being fed crap about “America-hating leftists” from the likes of Ted Cruz, so they’re doubling down on the idea of American exceptionalism, which is a flawed belief system at best.
It’s unfortunate that so many of our fellow Americans have abandoned critical thinking in favor of extremism. I love what America is supposed to be, but the truth is that we are heading further from that ideal with each passing day.
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Post by pyccku on Jul 6, 2019 16:19:08 GMT
I thought about putting my flag out this week for the 4th holiday. But I realized I was a bit reluctant to do so in fear that someone might think I am a Trump supporter, you know, the whole MAGA bit... It made me sad as I have always been patriotic and proud of my country up until now. Am I the only one who is having this type of reaction as a result of the hypocritical hyper-patriot types who seem to be on the front lines of the current Republican party? Not ridiculous. The flag has been co-opted by the GOP and MAGA crowd, they've used it for years to show how much more patriotic they are than "the libs" and now it definitely has that connotation. This is sad, because America doesn't belong to them alone, but that's what you get - the ones who tend to be obnoxiously in your face with the whole flag thing tend to be Trumpers, not patriotic Americans. They will tell you that this is THEIR country and that THEY get to tell "the left" what to do, even though THEY are outnumbered. Never mind, facts don't really matter. Just watch the Dana Loesch NRA videos where she talks about "the left" and how they MUST BE STOPPED by the COLD FIST OF JUSTICE. It's not just you who feel this way - I've been seeing ads for flag design tee-shirts calling for the flag to be reclaimed by those who believe in actual American values, not Trump values: www.freetobekids.com/collections/4th-of-july Their ads specifically mention the feeling that many non-Trumpers don't feel that they can display the flag or wear clothing with the flag design these days because they don't want to be associated with the far-right MAGA crowd. From their product description:
"We saw people in American flag shirts telling black and brown people to "go home." Telling people they couldn't kneel. Punching people at rallies. So we designed our own flag shirt to celebrate true American values.
Love. Compassion. Kindness. Hope. Generosity. Justice. Peace. Diversity. Equality. Fairness. Determination. Tolerance. Grit. Tenacity. Honor. Heart. Community. Resilience. Empathy. Unity. Understanding. Freedom. Honesty. Inclusivity. Pride. Passion. Vision. Wisdom. Integrity. Acceptance."
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 6, 2019 16:19:20 GMT
And along these lines, I'd love some Refupea feedback. I thought about putting my flag out this week for the 4th holiday. But I realized I was a bit reluctant to do so in fear that someone might think I am a Trump supporter, you know, the whole MAGA bit... It made me sad as I have always been patriotic and proud of my country up until now. Am I the only one who is having this type of reaction as a result of the hypocritical hyper-patriot types who seem to be on the front lines of the current Republican party?
I didn't put the flag out, BTW. I have the same thoughts. When one political party lays claim to being the "patriotic" party it makes it hard to fly a flag if you don't want to be affiliated with that side.
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scrappinmama
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Post by scrappinmama on Jul 6, 2019 16:19:27 GMT
I totally understand the feeling. One of the poses that the photographer did with my son's senior photo was to put an American flag backdrop. As much as I love the picture, I didn't want to buy it because of the flag. I chose another pose that had a neutral backdrop.
I refuse to let Trump and his racist supporters rob me of my pride in being American. Instead of focusing on him, I'm focusing on the Americans who continue to fight for a better America, better healthcare for all, helping those in need, a clean environment, etc. I'm still proud to be American. But right now, I just don't have the heart to display the flag.
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Post by Merge on Jul 6, 2019 17:02:22 GMT
This women’s team is the thing about our country I am most proud of right now, TBH.
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Post by Katiepotatie on Jul 6, 2019 18:10:13 GMT
Because our leader is a racist, egotistical, narcissistic, mysoginistic, unqualified, bullying ass.
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Post by Laurie on Jul 6, 2019 18:25:55 GMT
I feel it started getting low during GWB presidency. We had a brief surge after 9/11 but started going back down and keeps getting worse and worse every year. IMO until both parties stop throwing temper tantrums when the other side wins it will just keep getting worse.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 6, 2019 18:28:22 GMT
I thought about putting my flag out this week for the 4th holiday. But I realized I was a bit reluctant to do so in fear that someone might think I am a Trump supporter, you know, the whole MAGA bit... It made me sad as I have always been patriotic and proud of my country up until now. Am I the only one who is having this type of reaction as a result of the hypocritical hyper-patriot types who seem to be on the front lines of the current Republican party? Not ridiculous. The flag has been co-opted by the GOP and MAGA crowd, they've used it for years to show how much more patriotic they are than "the libs" and now it definitely has that connotation. This is sad, because America doesn't belong to them alone, but that's what you get - the ones who tend to be obnoxiously in your face with the whole flag thing tend to be Trumpers, not patriotic Americans. They will tell you that this is THEIR country and that THEY get to tell "the left" what to do, even though THEY are outnumbered. Never mind, facts don't really matter. Just watch the Dana Loesch NRA videos where she talks about "the left" and how they MUST BE STOPPED by the COLD FIST OF JUSTICE. It's not just you who feel this way - I've been seeing ads for flag design tee-shirts calling for the flag to be reclaimed by those who believe in actual American values, not Trump values: www.freetobekids.com/collections/4th-of-july Their ads specifically mention the feeling that many non-Trumpers don't feel that they can display the flag or wear clothing with the flag design these days because they don't want to be associated with the far-right MAGA crowd. From their product description:
"We saw people in American flag shirts telling black and brown people to "go home." Telling people they couldn't kneel. Punching people at rallies. So we designed our own flag shirt to celebrate true American values.
Love. Compassion. Kindness. Hope. Generosity. Justice. Peace. Diversity. Equality. Fairness. Determination. Tolerance. Grit. Tenacity. Honor. Heart. Community. Resilience. Empathy. Unity. Understanding. Freedom. Honesty. Inclusivity. Pride. Passion. Vision. Wisdom. Integrity. Acceptance."
I haven’t told you lately just how very much I love you! Thus. Everything this!!! I spent a day this weekend listening to a bunch of Republican/conservative rhetoric bullshit and everything quoted above is true. The ones who don’t notice it are those who are stuck in their little white, trump apologist bubbles who are not willing to say or do anything to speak out over the unjustness. Not only do the Republicans/conservatives TELL everyone what they think the Democrats are wanting (and by the way it’s lies and not even remotely close) but they act and treat others like dogshit who don’t join in on their echo chamber and sheeple following.
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Post by trollie on Jul 6, 2019 18:35:19 GMT
It's hard to be proud when we are incarcerating young children, babies and innocent men and women seeking asylum in substandard, inhumane conditions. eta - and just so we are clear, the young children and babies are being separated from the family that they came with. Many "unaccompanied" minors came with family members like aunts/uncles and adult siblings. The US government does not legally consider them guardians, and then separates them and deems them "unaccompanied". Our government is creating this mess. 70% of the kids in these camps have a family member here in the US who could care for them.
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Post by scrapngranny on Jul 6, 2019 19:49:22 GMT
The past 2.5 years have given us very little to be proud of.
For all of our all past commitments to human rights, we are now holding children in concentration camps. Our renouncing of foreign dictators is now a worldwide spectacle of our leader fawning over the most heinous despots. Our compassion and aid to those suffering from a catastrophic disaster, has been replaced by our own citizens of Puerto Rico left to suffer without the aid it needed to supply basic electricity and clean water to the people.
I won’t be proud again until Trump is no longer in the White House.
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Post by maryland on Jul 6, 2019 20:00:56 GMT
And along these lines, I'd love some Refupea feedback. I thought about putting my flag out this week for the 4th holiday. But I realized I was a bit reluctant to do so in fear that someone might think I am a Trump supporter, you know, the whole MAGA bit... It made me sad as I have always been patriotic and proud of my country up until now. Am I the only one who is having this type of reaction as a result of the hypocritical hyper-patriot types who seem to be on the front lines of the current Republican party? I didn't put the flag out, BTW. Me too! So I put my University of Maryland flag up. But I love my alma mater, so I usually have that flag up in the summer. To be honest, our garage is such a mess (husband working on lots of projects) so I couldn't safely get to our American flag if I tried!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 6, 2019 20:53:11 GMT
I didn't put my flag up, and it was made in the USA!
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Post by pilcas on Jul 6, 2019 23:30:50 GMT
I am not feeling very proud lately. Half of our country felt this racist, ignorant liar -#45- represents them. We put children in cages, bring out the tanks like in the USSR. Our president cant even get through a Fourth of July speech without making a fool of himself and us in the process.so no, I didn’t feel proud this year.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 6, 2019 23:37:37 GMT
And along these lines, I'd love some Refupea feedback. I thought about putting my flag out this week for the 4th holiday. But I realized I was a bit reluctant to do so in fear that someone might think I am a Trump supporter, you know, the whole MAGA bit...
It made me sad as I have always been patriotic and proud of my country up until now. Am I the only one who is having this type of reaction as a result of the hypocritical hyper-patriot types who seem to be on the front lines of the current Republican party? I didn't put the flag out, BTW. I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. I've flown a flag for every holiday for the past 5 decades because I'm proud of what it stands for and for the people who have died defending the right to fly it. JMHO of course. I think your reasons for flying it are valid. But I also think purplebees reasons for feeling conflicted about flying it are also valid. It really doesn't have to be an either/or. Patriotism is being confused with nationalism these days, in my observation. Patriotism is a beautiful thing, nationalism not so much.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 6, 2019 23:38:03 GMT
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Post by flanz on Jul 6, 2019 23:48:34 GMT
And along these lines, I'd love some Refupea feedback. I thought about putting my flag out this week for the 4th holiday. But I realized I was a bit reluctant to do so in fear that someone might think I am a Trump supporter, you know, the whole MAGA bit... It made me sad as I have always been patriotic and proud of my country up until now. Am I the only one who is having this type of reaction as a result of the hypocritical hyper-patriot types who seem to be on the front lines of the current Republican party? I didn't put the flag out, BTW. I had a similar thought process... I have a white tee with red stars on it, and I was trying to decide if I would wear it on the 4th. We were just having a couple of friends over. I am a progressive liberal and decided that, to me, it feels like the far right has somehow claimed ownership of the flag and "patriotism" in recent years, and that my negative feelings were about not wanting to be mistaken for a Trump supporter either. I then told adult DD that I decided that we on the left should reclaim the flag and be just as proud to fly it/ wear patriotic clothing etc. So I wore the shirt and felt good about it.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 7, 2019 0:06:10 GMT
I thought about putting my flag out this week for the 4th holiday. But I realized I was a bit reluctant to do so in fear that someone might think I am a Trump supporter, you know, the whole MAGA bit... It made me sad as I have always been patriotic and proud of my country up until now. Am I the only one who is having this type of reaction as a result of the hypocritical hyper-patriot types who seem to be on the front lines of the current Republican party? Not ridiculous. The flag has been co-opted by the GOP and MAGA crowd, they've used it for years to show how much more patriotic they are than "the libs" and now it definitely has that connotation. This is sad, because America doesn't belong to them alone, but that's what you get - the ones who tend to be obnoxiously in your face with the whole flag thing tend to be Trumpers, not patriotic Americans. They will tell you that this is THEIR country and that THEY get to tell "the left" what to do, even though THEY are outnumbered. Never mind, facts don't really matter. Just watch the Dana Loesch NRA videos where she talks about "the left" and how they MUST BE STOPPED by the COLD FIST OF JUSTICE. It's not just you who feel this way - I've been seeing ads for flag design tee-shirts calling for the flag to be reclaimed by those who believe in actual American values, not Trump values: www.freetobekids.com/collections/4th-of-july Their ads specifically mention the feeling that many non-Trumpers don't feel that they can display the flag or wear clothing with the flag design these days because they don't want to be associated with the far-right MAGA crowd. From their product description:
"We saw people in American flag shirts telling black and brown people to "go home." Telling people they couldn't kneel. Punching people at rallies. So we designed our own flag shirt to celebrate true American values.
Love. Compassion. Kindness. Hope. Generosity. Justice. Peace. Diversity. Equality. Fairness. Determination. Tolerance. Grit. Tenacity. Honor. Heart. Community. Resilience. Empathy. Unity. Understanding. Freedom. Honesty. Inclusivity. Pride. Passion. Vision. Wisdom. Integrity. Acceptance."
Old Navy had a purple flag t shirt campaign this year - mix red, white and blue and you get purple. I wanted to buy one, but they were limited edition - and they were sold out when I tried.
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Post by PLurker on Jul 7, 2019 0:32:17 GMT
I thought about putting my flag out this week for the 4th holiday. But I realized I was a bit reluctant to do so in fear that someone might think I am a Trump supporter, you know, the whole MAGA bit... It made me sad as I have always been patriotic and proud of my country up until now. Am I the only one who is having this type of reaction as a result of the hypocritical hyper-patriot types who seem to be on the front lines of the current Republican party? Not ridiculous. The flag has been co-opted by the GOP and MAGA crowd, they've used it for years to show how much more patriotic they are than "the libs" and now it definitely has that connotation. This is sad, because America doesn't belong to them alone, but that's what you get - the ones who tend to be obnoxiously in your face with the whole flag thing tend to be Trumpers, not patriotic Americans. They will tell you that this is THEIR country and that THEY get to tell "the left" what to do, even though THEY are outnumbered. Never mind, facts don't really matter. Just watch the Dana Loesch NRA videos where she talks about "the left" and how they MUST BE STOPPED by the COLD FIST OF JUSTICE. It's not just you who feel this way - I've been seeing ads for flag design tee-shirts calling for the flag to be reclaimed by those who believe in actual American values, not Trump values: www.freetobekids.com/collections/4th-of-july Their ads specifically mention the feeling that many non-Trumpers don't feel that they can display the flag or wear clothing with the flag design these days because they don't want to be associated with the far-right MAGA crowd. From their product description:
"We saw people in American flag shirts telling black and brown people to "go home." Telling people they couldn't kneel. Punching people at rallies. So we designed our own flag shirt to celebrate true American values.
Love. Compassion. Kindness. Hope. Generosity. Justice. Peace. Diversity. Equality. Fairness. Determination. Tolerance. Grit. Tenacity. Honor. Heart. Community. Resilience. Empathy. Unity. Understanding. Freedom. Honesty. Inclusivity. Pride. Passion. Vision. Wisdom. Integrity. Acceptance."
I just saw a pickup truck down the road today with multiple American flags flying from it. My first thought? "Must be a trump supporter." My second thought? It made me mad that I now feel that. How the hell did that happen? That he managed to hijack the flag to give me (and I'm guessing many) a different feeling?! Pisses me off. That thought/feeling would not have occurred to me prior to 2016. Confederate flags, yes, Stars and Stripes, no.
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