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Post by sabrinae on Jul 12, 2019 0:41:59 GMT
You could say this about dozens of things. Truly boggles the mind. Full disclosure, DH voted for him and he is not at all sick in the mind, he is a truly good man. He was a lifelong Republican, his sources were right wing pundits and he believed what they said, he believed the spin, he believed the fake news. And what they couldn’t explain away (since he was never convicted for this particular item he believed it wasn’t true) he said he thought someone could be a good leader without necessarily being a good person. He has since opened his eyes (I may have used duct tape )and gotten better sources, really looked at what his party has become. How what they say they stand for is not how they vote, not where they put their money. He was pretty disgusted and really upset in the things he believed to be true based on what he saw/read. In the midterms he voted for all Democrats and I don’t see that changing until and unless the party changes. Anyway, just to let you know there are a lot of people who drank the koolaid, who voted for him, who are good people and now regret it. And there are still some good people still drinking the koolaid. Oh I don't doubt there were. What I meant was, if they knew all about the court documents and still brushed it aside. They can't seriously think that court documents are fake news surely? They do still think it’s fake because the case was never litigated. The plaintiff dismissed her case after she and her family received death threats. Supporters blow it off as anyone can make any accusations they want, that doesn’t make it true. The ignore the supporting evidence like information from a “recruiter” who verified her account saying that she witnessed the incident.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 12, 2019 2:23:01 GMT
US Attorney SDNY has received at least 4 calls from women and 10 others have called lawyers involved to report that they are victims of abuse by Epstein. I may be a bit off on this, some may have called the Miami Herald. Getting hard to keep track of all of it!
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Jul 12, 2019 5:33:03 GMT
US Attorney SDNY has received at least 4 calls from women and 10 others have called lawyers involved to report that they are victims of abuse by Epstein. I may be a bit off on this, some may have called the Miami Herald. Getting hard to keep track of all of it! Ok I liked your post. I don’t like what is happening, but I liked it because I’m hoping this means more people are beginning to come forward and tell about what happened to them. Go SDNY.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 12, 2019 13:46:29 GMT
There is now an opening for Sec of Labor!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 12, 2019 23:09:53 GMT
MSNBC: New charges coming if not already filed. Witness tampering by Epstein. $350,000 paid to two coconspirators in 2018. He has a minimum worth of $500 million dollars. He has an ongoing yearly income of $10 million a year.
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Billionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein, who was recently hit with sex trafficking charges in New York, has been accused of witness tampering by federal prosecutors, The New York Times reports.
According to the newspaper, federal prosecutors alleged Friday that Epstein wired $350,000 to two people who were potential witnesses in the case.
Prosecutors say that Epstein made the payments to the two people shortly after an investigation published in The Miami Herald last November found that the financier had allegedly sexually abused a number of underage girls. **
Two articles from Nov 2018
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 14:10:46 GMT
"One of the most disturbing aspects of Epstein’s behavior, Berman said, is his ongoing effort to try to intimidate and influence people who have information about his crimes. As evidence of that, Berman said investigators recently learned that Epstein had paid significant sums of money in late 2018 to two alleged accomplices whose testimony with prosecutors could put him away for life...
Under Epstein’s non-prosecution agreement, he was given federal immunity on possible sex trafficking charges. At the time, prosecutors had drawn up a 53-page draft indictment. In exchange, Epstein agreed to plead guilty to two minor prostitution charges in state court in Palm Beach County. He was sentenced to 18 months in the county jail, but served 13 months — most of it under a work release program in which he spent nearly all his waking hours in an office he set up in West Palm Beach. One of the more unusual provisions of the agreement was a blanket immunity given to a number of his alleged co-conspirators — both named and unnamed. Only four of them were actually identified in the agreement: Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross, Lesley Groff and Nadia Marcinkova. Kellen, whose married name is Vickers, Ross and Groff were women who scheduled the girls who came to Epstein’s estate at all hours. According to court and police documents, Marcinkova participated in the sexual assaults as Epstein stage-managed the encounters. " Let's see if Jeffrey Epstein, like his sometimes pal Donald Trump, gets away w/witness tampering. www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article232619192.html
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 14:15:36 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 13, 2019 16:44:20 GMT
More from Brown: She then added, ‘We had been preparing to do a fact-check story tomorrow that would essentially use documents to show everything he said was not true.” Brown then dropped some new news about Epstein, telling the MSNBC host, “I know for a fact there’s journalists all over the world covering this story now — he [Epstein] had been recruiting in other countries. I’m sure there will be more information coming out not only about his operation, but there were a lot of employees and other people, big people who, if they weren’t involved in the operation, they knew about the operation.” * www.rawstory.com/2019/07/florida-reporter-drops-new-bombshell-on-epstein-while-blasting-resigning-acosta/
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Post by trollie on Jul 13, 2019 17:01:18 GMT
Interesting!!! Revolting and fucking sad.
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Post by trollie on Jul 13, 2019 17:04:51 GMT
This just makes me sick, I am so heartbroken for all of these poor children. I hope EVERY SINGLE PERSON involved is brought to justice. I hope they all burn in hell.
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Post by Just T on Jul 13, 2019 17:15:23 GMT
This just makes me sick, I am so heartbroken for all of these poor children. I hope EVERY SINGLE PERSON involved is brought to justice. I hope they all burn in hell.While their d!ck$ are slowly being sliced off.
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Post by Just T on Jul 13, 2019 17:16:45 GMT
And if Trump truly is found to be involved in this, I wonder what his supporters will have to say about it?
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Post by Merge on Jul 13, 2019 17:18:53 GMT
And if Trump truly is found to be involved in this, I wonder what his supporters will have to say about it? Nada. It will all be “fake news.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 13, 2019 17:56:56 GMT
Keep in mind the document above from 4/26/2016 **
July 13, 2019 Appearing on MSNBC’s “AM Joy” the author of “TrumpNation,” Tim O’Brien, claimed that the Southern District of New York investigators uncovered a wealth of photographic evidence from accused child trafficker Jeffrey Epstein’s Manhattan townhouse that could clear up — or confirm — accusations made by a woman who claimed Donald Trump raped her in Epstein’s home in the ’90s.** “The other thing is, there is an outstanding claim a Jane Doe claim filed right before the election by a woman in her 30’s who said in the ’90s when she was 13, Donald Trump raped her in Jeffrey Epstein’s townhouse in the Upper East Side,” he continued. “The veracity of that claim can be tested now by the Southern District.”“They’re investigating what occurred in Jeffrey Epstein’s townhouse,” he remarked. “They should interview every woman who came in and out of that townhouse, including the woman that made this claim against the president right before the election.” Adding, “She withdrew her claim because she got death threats, so the White House says her claims were baseless,” O’Brien suggested, “That can be tested very quickly.” ** www.rawstory.com/2019/07/epstein-investigation-could-turn-up-proof-of-womans-claim-trump-raped-her-in-accused-predators-home-trump-biographer/
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Post by chances on Jul 14, 2019 11:06:34 GMT
and people still voted for him? They all must be as sick minded as he is. Simple. They didn’t believe it. It's true that many don't believe it, fake news etc. But it's also true that many people just dont care. In other cases where the evidence cant be denied, ppl will blame the victim, talk about how "fast and grown" some girls are, etc.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Jul 14, 2019 17:17:08 GMT
Just wait for it.... The trump cultist/apologists will be out in full force to start throwing around Bill Clinton being involved...(if he was a part of this epic scandal—then take him down too!) ...just to deflect and detract from trump’s involvement. Oh it’s everywhere on social media, that’s the only thing they have to throw up against all of the revelations being brought to light (again) about Trump’s friendship with him and multiple links. You know, including the lawsuit against the two of them for raping a 13 year old. What they don’t understand, or won’t acknowledge, is that Clinton’s involvement has nothing to do with Trump’s. It’s not an either/or proposition, if Clinton is found to be guilty, that doesn’t mean Trump is innocent. They also seem to think that if Clinton was involved, we wouldn’t want the book thrown at him too. and this is the insane part. If both Clinton and Trump were involved, then it says alot about a person who would still defend one of them over the other.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 14, 2019 19:53:04 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 14, 2019 19:53:53 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 14, 2019 19:54:30 GMT
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jul 14, 2019 23:53:48 GMT
Holy. Fuck.
I'm not a lawyer, but something seems just a little off with that agreement.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 15, 2019 0:17:57 GMT
I'm not a lawyer, but something seems just a little off with that agreement. No need to be a lawyer, it is blatant for all those who choose to see!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 16, 2019 1:06:24 GMT
Sure he should get bail!!! NOT!! Jeffrey Epstein had cash, diamonds and a foreign passport stashed in safe, prosecutors sayThe judge is expected to rule Thursday whether the 66-year-old financier and registered sex offender should get bail. July 15, 2019, 11:27 AM EDT / Updated July 15, 2019, 1:59 PM EDT By Tom Winter and David K. Agents unearthed a "pile of cash, diamonds" and "a passport from a foreign country" in a safe belonging to Jeffrey Epstein, prosecutors told a judge Monday during a bail hearing for the wealthy financier and accused sex trafficker. Federal authorities are arguing for Epstein to be denied bail and to remain behind bars until he's tried for sex-crime charges in acts allegedly involving underage girls. "Just this morning, the government became aware of a safe that contained a pile of cash, diamonds, a passport from a foreign country with a picture of the defendant under another name," Assistant U.S. Attorney Alex Rossmiller told U.S. District Judge Richard M. Berman. The judge seemed surprised by the passport revelation and asked Rossmiller: "Say that again?""The passport was issued in the name of a foreign country, it was issued in the 1980s, it is expired, it shows a picture of Jeffrey Epstein, and another name," Rossmiller said, adding the passport showed Epstein's residence as Saudi Arabia.Earlier in the 2-hour-long hearing, Berman said he would not rule on Epstein’s bail request until Thursday. ** Two women testified they were victims of Epstein and asked that he remain jailed."I was 16 years old when I had the misfortune of meeting Mr. Epstein here in New York," said Annie Farmer, adding she was there to voice her support for the prosecution's move to keep Epstein locked up. When Berman asked if she was sexually abused, the witness responded: "He was inappropriate with me. I would prefer not to get into the details at this time." Another woman, Courtney Wild, said she was sexually abused by Epstein. "Hi, your honor, my name is Courtney Wild and I was sexually assaulted by Jeffrey Epstein at the age of 14," she told the court. Wild also asked that Epstein not be released before his trial. "He is a scary person to have walking the street," she said. ** www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jeffrey-epstein-had-cash-diamonds-foreign-passport-stashed-safe-prosecutors-n1029851Again I will say they should go in there a search that mansion with a fine tooth comb to be sure there are no tunnels, secret passages for escape! Dumb waiters anyone? Secret servant staircases?
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 16, 2019 1:28:16 GMT
I seriously doubt he'll be given bail. From what I've read, Judge Berman is not one who is predisposed to giving bail to someone extremely wealthy. He believes it's fundamentally unfair when poor plaintiffs have no choice but to stay in jail for lack of funds. Further, I think SDNY's response is compelling (following is a portion of it):
-- Among other things, the proposed bail package contemplates the defendant pledging as the principal security a property that has already been identified by the Government as subject to forfeiture upon the defendant’s conviction, and which therefore is of no value as collateral.
-- His proposed global waiver of extradition is unenforceable, and even if enforceable would be little comfort to victims forced to wait additional years while the defendant is located and returned to this country.
-- The promise to “deregister or otherwise ground” his private jet is meaningless given his wealth and ability to easily secure other means of travel.
-- The two co-signers he proposes only further highlight his minimal community ties, including his lack of any family in or near the District.
-- Electronic monitoring would merely give the defendant less of a head start in fleeing and does not guard against the risk of him endangering victims in the very home where he has continued to hoard nude images of young women and girls.
-- The private security force he proposes to guard his gilded cage, a proposal already rejected by this Court in similar circumstances, simply reinforces the obvious fact that the defendant should be housed where he can be secured at all times: a federal correctional center.
-- Nothing in the proposed package would prevent the defendant from transferring liquid assets out of the country quickly and in anticipation of flight or relocation.
-- He may have routed money to possible witnesses or co-conspirators.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 16, 2019 1:45:13 GMT
lizacreates, I hope you’re right. Do you know if they took into consideration his (what seems to be) illegal passport? To me I would think that would be an automatic denial of bail, or at least weigh very heavily against it since it shows his willingness to illegally leave the country
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 16, 2019 1:58:50 GMT
lizacreates , I hope you’re right. Do you know if they took into consideration his (what seems to be) illegal passport? To me I would think that would be an automatic denial of bail, or at least weigh very heavily against it since it shows his willingness to illegally leave the country I’m sure the passport with the fake name will be an important consideration. Above all else, though, here’s my speculation: Given how heinous and universally-condemned these allegations are, the judge won’t grant him bail. Obviously, he’s aware of the miscarriage of justice from over ten years ago and the recent resignation of Acosta. He must be cognizant and sensitive to what a tinderbox this is and I doubt he’ll do anything that will result in a public outcry. Can you just imagine the blowback if Epstein is given bail?
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Post by dewryce on Jul 16, 2019 2:16:29 GMT
Thank you. I would hope it would be huge, the shot heard round the world huge. But public outcry seems to have less of an impact these days. Here is to Thursday bringing us good news from Judge Berman’s chambers!
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 18, 2019 3:00:41 GMT
A neighbor of Epstein and suspected of helping cover up a sexual assault. They've known each other for several years.
Sounds like what Donald Trump has been saying.
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 18, 2019 16:30:04 GMT
Epstein was denied bail.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 18, 2019 17:12:47 GMT
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 18, 2019 17:21:15 GMT
I bet a proffer for a deal will be forthcoming.
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