14u14me
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Post by 14u14me on Oct 10, 2014 13:43:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 13:45:24 GMT
Disgusting.
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Peamac
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Post by Peamac on Oct 10, 2014 14:44:12 GMT
I'm glad it's being taken seriously, instead of ignored or just swept under the rug until the season is over!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 10:40:01 GMT
I'm about half an hour away from Sayreville and the story has dominated the local news for the last week, starting with last Thursday's game being canceled for unspecified reasons, with rumors of it being hazing-related. Once it was made public that the prosecutors office was involved, I had to wonder if this was more than just one player shoving another in the locker room.
The latest development is that seven players have been charged in these assaults. Even with the latest developments, some headlines are still calling it hazing. I wish all of them would say what it was – sexual assault.
The mother of one of the players was actually quoted as saying at a board meeting the other night, “Nobody was hurt. Nobody died. I don’t think the punishment fits the crime.” I have no idea whether or not this mother realized what these boys were doing, but I think this sort of attitude contributes to the problem.
I feel that we have created a culture in which winning is glorified above all else, causing those in authority to often turn a blind eye to this sort of thing.
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Post by ddly on Oct 11, 2014 11:37:01 GMT
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Post by cmhs on Oct 11, 2014 11:45:39 GMT
The news last night said 7 players have been arrested.
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Post by TankTop on Oct 11, 2014 11:48:01 GMT
Another piece of the issue...
In high school sports varsity is God. JV and freshmen teams are the low man. In my experience the coaching staff perpetuates this low man mentality. I feel this attitude bleeds into the boys/girls who have made it to varsity. The endured being the low man, so now they get to rule.
This case is horrendous.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 13:06:11 GMT
And this is why I hate the sports culture in this country. These kids are learning this somewhere.
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Post by Kelpea on Oct 11, 2014 13:08:47 GMT
My son is a freshie football player. We've been following this situation very closely. Our teams are never in the locker rooms at the same time...thank GOD.
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Post by myboysnme on Oct 11, 2014 13:23:33 GMT
You know, parents perpetuate the 'my kid and no one else matters' mentality. I would tell my son he is not going to be affiliated with a team where this occurred. I don't care if he knew or didn't know. The parents that care only about their own kid playing disgust me. How in the world can a team with that kind of thing going on even show face at other schools, or host other schools.
Someone has to stand up and say, 'I am dissolving the team where this occurred. We will not have a football team until every person who knew about this is no longer in the school."
Not one of those kids was going to go play pro football just based on statistics. One or two might get some kind of college scholarship. They can take this time to work on their academics and become better citizens.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 13:39:25 GMT
I hope every single player who was involved in those assaults is charged, convicted, and harshly punished.
It's really disheartening to see where some people's priorities lie.
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Post by Pahina722 on Oct 11, 2014 13:47:55 GMT
The behavior itself is truly appalling, and the attitude of the harassing teens graphically demonstrates where the actions originated. When a winning sports team is the excuse for criminal behavior, the team needs to go. If I learned that my son had been in loved in this abuse, I would have been so mortified that I'd have a hard time doing anything but apologizing, profusely, over and over and over, for what my son had done-- not hiring a lawyer to try to get football reinstated!
And I couldn't care less that if these kids don't get to play, they might lose the chance at college scholarships. Seriously, with all the scandals lately about sexual misconduct and physical abuse at both college and pro football levels, this country NEEDS to do something to change the climate that seems to encourage it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 13:48:21 GMT
One thing that I have wondered about through all of this is the factor of adult supervision. There hasn't been any official word from the district where this happened, but former HS coaches calling into a radio show said that policy in districts over the last 10 years in our area has actually discouraged coaches from being in the locker room when students are changing.
For those whose children play high school sports, is there a coach in the locker room during showering and changing time? My oldest swam for four years but it's not something that ever came up in discussion between the two of us.
Given the outer possible range in ages, you could theoretically have students aged 13 and 19 in the same locker room. That just seems like a recipe for disaster.
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Post by grammy2emmasophia on Oct 11, 2014 14:48:51 GMT
I live next door to Sayreville. Our high schools play each other in football and other sporting teams. My son plays travel baseball with several of freshman and sophomore boys from Sayreville High School. They were talking about it in the car when I drove them to a baseball game and knew a couple of the boys both victims and the charged. So sad that they even have to deal with this sort of thing. My generation must have been raised in a bubble. I am sure things went on in locker rooms but not to this extent. Sickening.
I whole heartedly believe the Superintendent, who has only been in the district a short time, was right for canceling the season. There is no possible way they could have continued this season. Our school was suppose to play them next weekend. As for the parent who made the completely ridiculous statement about how nobody was hurt or killed, I hope her son was one of the animals charged and arrested. The emotional scars these poor boys will have from this is 100X's worse than any physical scars. The captain of the team had a commitment with Penn State. Pretty sure that's going to be taken away, as it should be. Even if you didn't physically touch one of the boys, by standing there and doing nothing you are guilty. As far as staff, there is no way that I believe that not one of those didn't know what was going on in that locker room. One of the coaches just resigned after he was pulled over in a traffic stop and they found steroids and syringes in his car. What a mess.
Anyway, I hope these poor boys who were victimized,get all the love and support that is available to them so they may move on with their lives. As for the monsters that did this, I hope they are tried as adults and in NJ they can be, and receive the same treatment in their jail cell. They interviewed someone on the news the other day who said instead of canceling they should use this as a teaching moment. WTH! If you don't know that rape, which is what they did, is wrong by this age, I fear you are unteachable.
So for the wordy rambling rant, just sickens me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 16:26:38 GMT
There are a lot of excuse-making parents, not just in sports. I hope this is a wake up call for all of them to realize their kids will face consequences for bad behavior. As a teacher I heard a lot of excuses. Bad enough when the kids do it, but way too often the parents are just as bad and worse. We need to get back to a culture of personal responsibility and values. And I totally agree. This isn't hazing. It's sexual assault.
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Post by librarylady on Oct 11, 2014 16:43:24 GMT
Disgusting story. I am pleased that the superintendent and prosecutors are treating it as it should be--sexual assault. I feel sad for the victims and their families--who will be socially punished by the jocks in the city.
I hope our nation will someday change its value system as related to sports.
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Post by librarylady on Oct 11, 2014 16:56:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 17:01:08 GMT
So disgusting. It is scary and sad to hear how frequently these kinds of cases keep coming up... which makes me think that there is way more happening out there that we don't hear about.
However, at the same time, I'm hopeful that the fact that these abuses ARE being reported (as they are happening, not 20-30 years later) is an indication of the start of change, even if it is very small.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 11, 2014 17:15:44 GMT
The problem is our entire sports culture.
The problem is that sports culture is, for some reason unfathomable to me, ridiculously intertwined with school culture.
We, as a society, failed those boys.
Not just the boys who were victims, but also the boys who were arrested. Were the boys who perpetrated this violence wrong? Yes. But the adults (coaches and teachers and parents) did nothing to stop them or teach them that they were wrong. They were almost certainly victims themselves. This was done to them when they were the underclass men and they are carrying on the behavior. Something is wrong with our society when boys grow up believing this is normal behavior.
I know that when I was in high school the athlete boys did similar things to each other. On both the football and baseball teams (which was mostly the same kids) if an underclass man messed up an upperclassman would say "that's one" at the end of practice/game when they went back to the locker room and showers together all of the "ones" were added up and that was how many "pokes" (yes, it means what you think it means) that underclassman got that day. I, who was not a male athlete, knew about this. Coaches knew. Teachers knew. It happened long before we got there and I'm sure it happened long after we left. And it sounds eerily similar to what happened in this story, which leads me to believe that this is a widespread occurrence masquerading as "tradition".
The problem isn't these boys. Until we deal with the actual root of the problem stories like this one will continue.
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Post by Really Red on Oct 11, 2014 17:39:19 GMT
It is unbelievable what these boys did and I am very happy they are taking it seriously.
However, to disband the team annoys me. Why do the kids who do NOT do that have to pay for those who do? It is possible they were complicit and in that situation, I agree to disband, but I hate innocent people paying the price of disgusting people.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 17:45:35 GMT
However, to disband the team annoys me. Why do the kids who do NOT do that have to pay for those who do? It is possible they were complicit and in that situation, I agree to disband, but I hate innocent people paying the price of disgusting people. The problem is that no one really knows the full extent of what went on--this was not an isolated incident. This is now a criminal investigation. I really don't see that the superintendent and Board of Education had any other option.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 17:47:09 GMT
I think parents and students protesting it's "not fair" to disband the team after several students were routinely and systematically SEXUALLY ASSAULTED, is ridiculous, and indicates what a deep-rooted problem this kind of behaviour is in our society.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 17:50:46 GMT
It is unbelievable what these boys did and I am very happy they are taking it seriously. However, to disband the team annoys me. Why do the kids who do NOT do that have to pay for those who do? It is possible they were complicit and in that situation, I agree to disband, but I hate innocent people paying the price of disgusting people. I disagree. This was sexual assult in a systematic hazing ritual done by numerous members. Why did no one else speak out? Thus can't be the first year this happened. Disbanding the team is the only option to get the message across. Society will not tolerate these actions. People are more important that a stupid game of football.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 11, 2014 17:51:47 GMT
I think that the coach (coaches) should be fired. I'm sure I'll get blasted for that opinion but to bad, that's how I feel. There are a minimum of 10 (most likely several more) adults/coaches/trainers etc associated with a high school football team so there is zero reason for them to be unsupervised in any way long enough for something like that to go on and not be stopped/reported. This behavior does not go on if it is not supported by the coaches and staff. I don't care if the kid is the best football player since time began. He can be off the team for hazing behavior. PERIOD. Any adult that turns a blind eye to that (and in my opinion you would have to for it to go on ) should not be employed to be responsible for under aged athletes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 17:52:36 GMT
I think that the coach (coaches) should be fired. I'm sure I'll get blasted for that opinion but to bad, that's how I feel. There are a minimum of 10 (most likely several more) adults/coaches/trainers etc associated with a high school football team so there is zero reason for them to be unsupervised in any way long enough for something like that to go on and not be stopped/reported. This behavior does not go on if it is not supported by the coaches and staff. I don't care if the kid is the best football player since time began. He can be off the team for hazing behavior. PERIOD. Any adult that turns a blind eye to that (and in my opinion you would have to for it to go on ) should not be employed to be responsible for under aged athletes. Yes, there's no way the adults involved didn't know *something* was happening.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 11, 2014 17:55:20 GMT
It is unbelievable what these boys did and I am very happy they are taking it seriously. However, to disband the team annoys me. Why do the kids who do NOT do that have to pay for those who do? It is possible they were complicit and in that situation, I agree to disband, but I hate innocent people paying the price of disgusting people. Because the school does not have responsible adults to run the program since the adults running the program have to bear some responsibility for it to have happened. Either by turning a blind eye to it or by being sloppy and lax in their supervision of the athletes. To continue the team with the current staff could endanger more under aged athletes. The superintendent did the right thing. Sends the right message.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 11, 2014 18:14:25 GMT
It is unbelievable what these boys did and I am very happy they are taking it seriously. However, to disband the team annoys me. Why do the kids who do NOT do that have to pay for those who do? It is possible they were complicit and in that situation, I agree to disband, but I hate innocent people paying the price of disgusting people. Ugh. I hate this attitude. It is a huge part of the problem in sports culture. We are not talking about a few students who went rogue and assaulted other students on their own. We are talking about a systematic, ingrained, and even supported culture of violence masquerading as tradition. There is no way to stop it without stopping the whole team. You are naive and ridiculous if you think the whole team and the coaches didn't know what was going on.
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Post by pierkiss on Oct 11, 2014 18:17:27 GMT
And this is why I hate the sports culture in this country. These kids are learning this somewhere. I couldn't agree more. I am so glad they are taking this seriously.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 11, 2014 18:25:42 GMT
It is unbelievable what these boys did and I am very happy they are taking it seriously. However, to disband the team annoys me. Why do the kids who do NOT do that have to pay for those who do? It is possible they were complicit and in that situation, I agree to disband, but I hate innocent people paying the price of disgusting people. And here's the other thing - This attitude is what keeps so many victims from reporting. They feel pressure to do what's best for the team. They feel like if they tell it will be bad for the team. And whatever happens to the team will be their fault. And society in general reinforces that with this attitude. This attitude is part of the sports culture that is the root of the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 18:30:29 GMT
Thank God someone finally stood up and said something! Unfortunately, they'll be the ones harassed and intimidated now.
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