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Post by elaine on Jul 25, 2019 22:16:48 GMT
I voted no...I want him prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law when he is out of office. sadly, i don't think that will happen. if he is voted out in 2020, people will be so happy about it that they will not want to spend another second dealing with him. now, if they vote him in for another four years and people have to deal with his shit for another four, then i think people are more likely to bring charges just to feel like they enacted something against him. I disagree with this. IF Trump is voted out in 2020, there will be a very LOOOOONG line of both lawyers and politicians wanting to make a name for themselves that Trump and his children will be tied up in lawsuits for a decade. I have no doubts about this. What we desperately need is for Trump to be voted out in 2020, and the majority in the Senate to be flipped to the Democrats. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 25, 2019 22:35:06 GMT
Impeachment is the process by which a legislative body levels charges against a government official. It does not mean removal from office; it is only a statement of charges, akin to an indictment in criminal law. Once an individual is impeached, he or she must then face the possibility of conviction by a legislative vote, which judgment entails removal from office.and I really hope that it would be so BLATANTLY obvious that his actions TRULY meet the criteria for being unfit that (if the House does impeach him) the Senate would be faced with a very untenable choice: either remove him, or leave him in office and make it VERY clear to all comers and potential election opponents that they DO NOT care about the Constitution. If the House impeaches HIM- DONALD TRUMP- and the Senate actually votes to leave HIM in office (as god-awful as he is), I would think every one of those Senators should be scared of what their political opponents will be (rightfully) able to say about them: that they care more about their Party and themselves / their bottom line than the Constitution and doing their sworn duty to uphold it. |
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Post by papersilly on Jul 25, 2019 22:45:22 GMT
sadly, i don't think that will happen. if he is voted out in 2020, people will be so happy about it that they will not want to spend another second dealing with him. now, if they vote him in for another four years and people have to deal with his shit for another four, then i think people are more likely to bring charges just to feel like they enacted something against him. I disagree with this. IF Trump is voted out in 2020, there will be a very LOOOOONG line of both lawyers and politicians wanting to make a name for themselves that Trump and his children will be tied up in lawsuits for a decade. I have no doubts about this. What we desperately need is for Trump to be voted out in 2020, and the majority in the Senate to be flipped to the Democrats. God i hope so! let them spend all the profits from (the future and reportedly very lucrative) Trump Tower Moscow on their legal bills. but, for now, i will pin my hopes on voting him out. |
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Post by elaine on Jul 25, 2019 23:21:05 GMT
Impeachment is the process by which a legislative body levels charges against a government official. It does not mean removal from office; it is only a statement of charges, akin to an indictment in criminal law. Once an individual is impeached, he or she must then face the possibility of conviction by a legislative vote, which judgment entails removal from office.and I really hope that it would be so BLATANTLY obvious that his actions TRULY meet the criteria for being unfit that (if the House does impeach him) the Senate would be faced with a very untenable choice: either remove him, or leave him in office and make it VERY clear to all comers and potential election opponents that they DO NOT care about the Constitution. If the House impeaches HIM- DONALD TRUMP- and the Senate actually votes to leave HIM in office (as god-awful as he is), I would think every one of those Senators should be scared of what their political opponents will be (rightfully) able to say about them: that they care more about their Party and themselves / their bottom line than the Constitution and doing their sworn duty to uphold it. The saddest and scariest thing is that most of Trump’s supporters, including those on this board, are 100% okay with this. They would see placing and keeping power in the hands of the GOP above the Constitution as a GREAT thing. They HATE everything about having a government that represents and listens to ALL people, not just white Christians, and are totally happy with a crook in the White House and power-grubbing hypocrites in Congress as long as they are about White Christians first and f%ck everyone else. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 26, 2019 0:23:29 GMT
if he is voted out in 2020, people will be so happy about it that they will not want to spend another second dealing with him. now, if they vote him in for another four years and people have to deal with his shit for another four, then i think people are more likely to bring charges just to feel like they enacted something against him. Vote! A dollar or 5 helps campaigns! Add to the House, win the Senate. Dems must be in charge of the legislature, both houses!! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 26, 2019 0:25:27 GMT
I disagree with this. IF WHEN Trump is voted out in 2020, there will be a very LOOOOONG line of both lawyers and politicians wanting to make a name for themselves that Trump and his children will be tied up in lawsuits for a decade. I have no doubts about this. What we desperately need is for Trump to be voted out in 2020, and the majority in the Senate to be flipped to the Democrats. I fixed it for you!!
Extremely important to add to the House and Win the Senate !!! Get rid of MConnell.....
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Post by beaglemom on Jul 26, 2019 1:20:07 GMT
So I voted yes. Yes I think he should be impeached - in terms of - he should be impeached for his actions. However do I think that attempting to impeach him is the best path for the democrats - NO. I think that they need to keep letting him be an idiot, solidify their message, and kick his rear in the next election.
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Post by janeliz on Jul 26, 2019 16:43:58 GMT
A friend of mine shared this on Facebook and I thought it was pretty perfect:
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Post by cycworker on Jul 27, 2019 6:30:18 GMT
This is what confuses me: won't they have an easier time getting the court to give them what they need if they begin the impeachment inquiry process? It will be much easier to get the unredacted Mueller report & evidence, plus force McGahn and others to testify, if it's part of an impeachment inquiry. They aren’t fighting the courts to get documents, they are fighting the Administration IN the courts to force them to turn over the documents that Congress have been asking for. The White House has been continuously ignoring valid requests for documents and access to witnesses and has not turned them over to Congress. There is no reason to believe that Trump’s White House would be any more forthcoming with formal Impeachment proceedings. Unfortunately, being forced to take things through the courts slows things down, so it will not be a quick process in the courts whether there are Impeachment proceedings going on or not. However, it is one more layer of undeniable criminal activity (more support for Impeachment) if Congress obtains formal court orders that the Administration turn over documents and they refuse to comply with those court orders. Right - I did actually mean that re: why they're in court. I just said it wrong because I'm tired. I have seen some very good analysis from Teri Kanefield and Renato M_____ (drawing a blank on last name) re: the latest court actions. As such I still believe the Dems are on the right path. |
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Post by cycworker on Jul 27, 2019 6:34:22 GMT
and I really hope that it would be so BLATANTLY obvious that his actions TRULY meet the criteria for being unfit that (if the House does impeach him) the Senate would be faced with a very untenable choice: either remove him, or leave him in office and make it VERY clear to all comers and potential election opponents that they DO NOT care about the Constitution. If the House impeaches HIM- DONALD TRUMP- and the Senate actually votes to leave HIM in office (as god-awful as he is), I would think every one of those Senators should be scared of what their political opponents will be (rightfully) able to say about them: that they care more about their Party and themselves / their bottom line than the Constitution and doing their sworn duty to uphold it. The saddest and scariest thing is that most of Trump’s supporters, including those on this board, are 100% okay with this. They would see placing and keeping power in the hands of the GOP above the Constitution as a GREAT thing. They HATE everything about having a government that represents and listens to ALL people, not just white Christians, and are totally happy with a crook in the White House and power-grubbing hypocrites in Congress as long as they are about White Christians first and f%ck everyone else. That makes no sense. If Trump is impeached Pence takes over. |
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Post by cycworker on Jul 27, 2019 6:43:54 GMT
I voted no...I want him prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law when he is out of office.  Don't we need both? If he wins a second term, wouldn't the statute of limitations preclude charging him? www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/07/25/mueller-just-showed-why-impeachment-proceedings-should-begin-soon/?utm_term=.27a9a3a2a2e3"Mueller’s answer needs to be front and center as Congress decides its next move. If the president is reelected and serves his full term, the five-year statute of limitations on obstruction of justice will run out before he leaves office. Thus, reelection would almost guarantee that Trump will never stand trial for his crimes. The only way Congress can ensure Trump is ever held accountable is to begin impeachment proceedings."Except that assumes Trump won't commit more crimes in a second term. I don't think that's a safe assumption to make. He's a criminal. There will always be a new crime. |
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