needshelp
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Post by needshelp on Aug 9, 2019 18:48:15 GMT
I am a long time Pea but posting anonymously because of the sensitive nature of this post. This is going to be long but I would love to get some input.
I have been seeing a male massage therapist that we’ll call D, to work on a chronic sports injury in my hip and thigh. I saw him weekly for about two months and there was nothing out of the ordinary. But the last time I went, it was different. Nothing grossly inappropriate, but a cumulative experience of careless draping (I was naked), careless placing of his hand in my groin area, pressing some part of his body up against me (I couldn’t tell because I was face down on the table) and caressing my hair while doing Reiki.
When I told DH about it, he asked me why I didn’t talk to him about it at the time. I think there are two reasons for this: the first is that I am an incest survivor and sort of go in and out of my body routinely (if that makes sense) and so it took me a while to figure out that I was feeling uncomfortable; in fact by the end of the massage, I was so repulsed and freaked out I couldn’t wait to get out of there after telling D I wouldn’t be returning (giving him the reason that I thought I’d gotten as much as I could from the series of massages)
The second is that since what happened was so subtle, I was telling myself that I was just imagining things. This is kind of where I am now. I’ve done lots of therapy to deal with the sexual abuse and intellectually I know it happened and know how abusers operate and I’m not making anything up. I don’t normally seek out drama in my life, so I when I was so panicked by the end of the session, I know it was true feelings, not manufactured drama. But I still don’t feel it in my heart.
A complicating factor in this whole situation is that D was recommended to me by my therapist. Both she and her husband had been seeing him with good results and so she recommended him. So in addition to dealing with the D situation, I was dreading having to go in and tell her what happened, knowing she would be horrified and would feel terrible (which she was and did). In that session, she asked me if I was going to report him.
This is where I am stuck. D’s actions were so subtle, when I think about listing them on the state licensing board complaint form (I looked at the form for my state online) I think I will sound like a crazy person or like I am just making things up. Because of where I am emotionally, I don’t feel strong enough to defend myself. I'm not sure what happens when someone makes a complaint, but it makes me sick to think I could be interfering with someone's livelihood. It worries me that D will be given my name as who reported him and that will make me vulnerable.
I am dealing with a lot of the kinds of thoughts common to being an incest survivor too. It’s just my imagination, he was just having an off day and being careless. Why was it OK for two months and then it happened? Did I do something to encourage him? I’m too old and too fat for anyone to find me attractive enough to do what he did.
Another odd thing happened probably six weeks into seeing D. He asked me if I would take him to pick up his car from the shop after our session. I agreed and it was a little weird and uncomfortable but nothing inappropriate happened. But when I told my therapist this, she said it was very inappropriate and an ethics violation. I think there are some massage therapists on the board—I would love to get your input on this.
I think if I don’t report him, I will feel terrible knowing he is out there maybe doing it to someone else. But I just don’t feel ready to do it yet. Does that make me a bad person? I would like some Pea wisdom and hear how others would approach this.
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Post by quietgirl on Aug 9, 2019 18:54:03 GMT
I don't have any real advice as far as the reporting goes, but just wanted to say that your feelings are valid. You are feeling uncomfortable, and that in itself is reason enough to believe something was inappropriate. No, you're not seeking drama in your life, never, ever think that. Never, ever think it was your imagination. You have been through a lot. And, no, you are not a bad person for not being ready to take the step to report him. Take care of yourself.
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Post by mom on Aug 9, 2019 19:01:23 GMT
I am sorry you have been put in this situation.
I do not think you are a bad person if you don't report him. But I would encourage you to document everything about it - the date, time, any conversation, etc. in case you do want to report it later.
Be gentle on yourself. You've done nothing wrong.
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Post by jenjie on Aug 9, 2019 19:20:29 GMT
I’m so sorry you were put into this situation. I am not a massage therapist but his actions sound hinky. I’m glad your therapist took you seriously and didn’t try to make you think you were imagining it or in any way try to protect the person she referred you to.
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Post by peanutterbutter on Aug 9, 2019 19:32:51 GMT
He either was "testing" to see if you would let things go further, or he was careless and comfortable and needs a strong reminder of professional boundaries. It could be one or the other - reporting him will provide that reminder if he needs it, and if it was indeed purposeful - you're probably not the only one. It really is your choice to report him or not - I agree with the comment above to document. You could also call and ask what happens if you report - you don't have to give any info at that point - just ask them what the process is and how much involvement you would have to have beyond initial reporting. Big hugs to you.
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Post by librarylady on Aug 9, 2019 20:00:45 GMT
No, you are not interfering with his livelihood. HE IS THE ONE INTERFERING WITH HIS LIVELIHOOD!.
IMO, he is counting on you not reporting him, that is why he went over the line but in a very subtle manner. He is hoping that you will keep coming back and he can inch his way into open abuse.
Your story reminds me of what the gymnasts went through with that doctor...he was sly and subtle and went further and further down the path of abuse.
I really think if it is reported you can use a Jane Doe report that does not use your real name to the board.
I send you a hug of confidence. I realize it is hard, but I hope you can speak up and prevent the predator from moving on another woman. I think he "groomed" you with the asking to PU his car. If you say nothing about this and went back, I'd bet money that he would touch you just a bit more etc. etc.....and that you are not the only woman he is making advances upon.
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Post by mikklynn on Aug 9, 2019 20:06:54 GMT
I think you should report him, IF it won't cause you flashbacks and more misery.
I think he is pushing the boundaries to see what will happen. It was WAY out of line to ask you to take him to get his car.
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Post by peabay on Aug 9, 2019 20:15:46 GMT
I work at a day spa and very familiar with massage therapy and massage therapists.
If it made you uncomfortable, he wasn't doing his job. Plain and simple. The last thing he should do is not respect your dignity and privacy. I agree that it's all so vague that reporting it would be hard. What I would do is call the salon and ask to speak to the owner and tell the owner what happened. And say that's why you won't be back. Leave it on them. Knowing (and being friends with) the owner of the spa at which I work, she would absolutely want to know and would do what she could to make you happy and feel whole.
She would fire a therapist who stepped out of bounds but she would totally disapprove of a therapist asking a client for a ride somewhere - unless it was a client they've seen for years and are now friends with. And I still couldn't see that happen. It's hard to know what happened in the room, but the asking for a ride is really kind of weird.
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Post by hannahruth on Aug 9, 2019 20:30:44 GMT
You need to report him!
There maybe (and probably are) others he had acted inappropriately with who have reported the same behaviour and need your support.
I would have absolutely no compunction reporting him - don't worry about him loosing his job, his business, his income - he has put himself in that position. He needs to lose his job so that he cannot do to others what he has done to you.
Next time it would be someone else's daughter, sister, mother, girlfriend and they all need protection from him.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Aug 9, 2019 20:40:57 GMT
My chiro kissed me every time I went for about 5 sessions. I regret not reporting but what good would it have done way back then? Today I would have kneed him in the nuts.
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Post by Lexica on Aug 9, 2019 20:44:05 GMT
I’m sorry you had to experience this and that it brought up a lot of negative history for you. I personally would probably make a call to the owner or manager of the facility and let them know what happened. D was either just being lazy or beginning to be inappropriate. Either way, it needs to be addressed in my opinion. I would think the owner would be privy to whether or not this had ever happened with the massage therapist in the past and might be in a better position to decide whether to issue a stern warning or to make an official report. They should be made aware of what happened at least.
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Post by Mary Kay Lady on Aug 9, 2019 20:52:27 GMT
I'm sorry that you're in this situation. I think, as women, we have to be super careful and vigilant in regards to who we allow to work with us.
I experienced sexual molestation and as a result find that I prefer to be treated by female physicians and female massage therapists.
One time I did forget to request a female masseuse and had a male. The situation was OK, but it made me more determined to have a female going forward.
Often times our experiences are about perception. If you felt awkward or uncomfortable then he crossed a line. His job is to make you feel comfortable even though you are in a position of vulnerability.
In the era of Uber and Lyft, it's very odd that he would ask you for a ride. He could have (and should have) called for a car or asked a co-worker.
I like peabay's suggestion of contacting the owner.
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needshelp
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Post by needshelp on Aug 9, 2019 21:09:35 GMT
To clarify, he is self-employed and works alone in an office suite with two massage rooms. I typically do have female providers, but didn't really think about his gender when he came so highly recommended by my therapist.
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Post by jemmls4 on Aug 9, 2019 21:21:23 GMT
After your reply that he is self-employed, I would encourage you to report him. He has no supervisor, so he could be doing this to many others. As others have said, you have to do what you think is best for you.
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Post by dewryce on Aug 9, 2019 21:27:29 GMT
If you are able, I would encourage you to report him. I’m sorry that happened to you.
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Post by kelly8875 on Aug 9, 2019 21:27:46 GMT
It doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks. If you think the line was crossed, report him.
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Post by nlwilkins on Aug 9, 2019 22:01:32 GMT
Something to consider is that if you report him it does not mean that he automatically loses his license. At least I hope so. There should be someone looking into it and checking to see if there are any more reports about him.
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 9, 2019 22:15:03 GMT
Yes, I would report him. I'm sure the licensing board has had more complaints involving subtle violations that blatant ones.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Aug 9, 2019 22:22:40 GMT
I would make the report simply stating the facts and how it made you feel. If you can do this, it may help others -- but may also help you by empowering you a bit.
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Post by jayfab on Aug 9, 2019 22:47:59 GMT
I would make the report simply stating the facts and how it made you feel. If you can do this, it may help others -- but may also help you by empowering you a bit. I agree with this.
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Post by papersilly on Aug 10, 2019 0:22:54 GMT
Since your therapists recommended him , I would talk to them about it to find the most appropriate way to deal with it. At the very least, I would stop going to that massage guy.
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Post by seaexplore on Aug 10, 2019 1:17:06 GMT
I would make the report simply stating the facts and how it made you feel. If you can do this, it may help others -- but may also help you by empowering you a bit.
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Post by pjaye on Aug 10, 2019 1:23:44 GMT
You should definitely report him.
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Post by Rainy_Day_Woman on Aug 10, 2019 1:26:00 GMT
As a massage therapist, my answer is usually so cut and dry- make a complaint.
This is apt though, because this literally just happened to me last week with my massage therapist and I am pausing now too. I have been seeing my massage therapist for 7 years and I consider him my friend as well (stupid me, and dual relationships!) He has never been inappropriate with me but in the last two sessions- some weird things happened. The first one I brushed off because I doze a bit and wasn't totally sure I hadn't imagined it. The second, not so much.
I fixed the draping and moved his hand when it happened but even I didn't talk to him about it. I have a past of trauma too and I don't always trust my reactions to be normal. I am really sad and angry about it to be honest, because he is one of the very few men I have totally trusted with my body, and have been able to relax around. I am going to talk to him about it first, because I think my situation is compounded by our friendship. I am building up the nerve still, but I am going to.
In your case, my gut would say to report him. I think men in general should, for their own protection in this industry, be very diligent with draping and consent. Always, but certainly when working hip and groin. If nothing else, he obviously needs a reminder of that.
You should just report what happened and let them sort it out. Don't worry about it sounding silly. It is his job to make you feel safe and comfortable. It may also just have been careless, but he needs to be more self aware.
Also, asking for a ride is weird! Maybe not reportable, LOL, but weird!
Eta: if you want to know more about our complaints process with my board, please message me- I don't know where you are but I know the general Canadian protocol and can't imagine it would vary all that much.
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Post by tentoes on Aug 10, 2019 3:16:15 GMT
I'm so sorry girl. (((HUGS)) No advice on the reporting. If you can handle it, report it, if you can't, don't. I know how hard it can be to trust your feelings after what you've been through. My heart goes out to you.
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Post by georgie on Aug 10, 2019 3:27:33 GMT
I really believe in women’s intuition! It has saved me several times from putting myself in danger. Go with your gut feeling
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Post by samantha25 on Aug 10, 2019 5:10:42 GMT
If you believe something is off... it is. When I was 25-26 I had a gynecological exam in which the doctor did a finger anal exam without describing what he was doing. I felt terribly violated and unnecessary. I reported it and did not go back.
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Post by Jockscrap on Aug 10, 2019 6:18:36 GMT
I have only ever been for a massage of my shoulders and back, and I can’t imagine under what circumstances a person would need to remove all their underwear to receive a massage. Rainy_Day_Woman, why would your knickers need to come off? For a hip massage, can they not be worked around? Is it normal to be naked for a massage? OP, it all sounds very weird. He could be getting away with anything, given his work environment. It sounds like the beginning of him testing what he can get away with. Horrible, just horrible.
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Post by roberta on Aug 10, 2019 6:59:52 GMT
Sorry this has happened to you.
I agree to trust yourself and do what you need to do for yourself. What is important here is your wellbeing. The massage therapist is part of your healthcare team whose job is to help you. He is failing miserably whether his actions were carelessness or worse. The consequences of any report you make are on him.
I also agree to document it now describing facts and how it made you feel. You can make a complaint later if that is the right thing for you.
I would also encourage you to discuss any ongoing issues you have with your therapist. Your therapist should be able to handle any “guilt” she feels. Do what is right for you.
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Post by Gennifer on Aug 10, 2019 7:38:20 GMT
I have only ever been for a massage of my shoulders and back, and I can’t imagine under what circumstances a person would need to remove all their underwear to receive a massage. Rainy_Day_Woman , why would your knickers need to come off? For a hip massage, can they not be worked around? Is it normal to be naked for a massage? OP, it all sounds very weird. He could be getting away with anything, given his work environment. It sounds like the beginning of him testing what he can get away with. Horrible, just horrible. I remove all of my clothes. My massage therapist (who I have known for decades... I actually babysat her kids when I was a teenager) told me once that it is a signal to the massage therapist of your comfort level. If you're not comfortable removing your underwear, you shouldn't, but the massage therapist will respect that boundary and not work certain areas.
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