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Post by Delta Dawn on Aug 11, 2019 5:51:32 GMT
I have not read all of the responses so this may have already been share. I think he is actually in witness protection. Thar was my theory too.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 11, 2019 5:59:38 GMT
Interesting to say the least................... ** The jail where Jeffrey Epstein apparently hanged himself was a nest of corruption in the early ’90s, according to one of late mobster John Gotti Sr.’s top associates — who insists it’s still a place where almost anything can be bought if you have the bucks. “If he killed himself someone had to have helped him,” said Lewis Kasman, a onetime close confidant of the Dapper Don who visited the godfather several times at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in 1992. “There are cameras going 24/7 and they’re watching 24/7. Someone had to give [Epstein] the equipment to kill himself and he had to pay for it dearly,” said Kasman, who has kept abreast of conditions in the lockup. Kasman added: “That facility for years had issues of corruption, with correction officers bringing in food or cellphones for wealthy people.” The former Gambino bean counter noted that Gotti, who did time both in the jail’s 9 South and 10 South units, its most secure wings, still managed to get his favorite steak dinner sneaked in: “He had Peter Luger’s whenever he wanted.” Kasman said he heard US Attorney General William Barr personally made a hush-hush trip to the MCC two weeks ago, about the time Epstein was found in his cell with bruises around his neck.“When does that happen?” he asked. “The attorney general never visits jails. Something’s not right there.” Kasman said the facility was “totally disgusting — worse than Guantanamo Bay.” “There are roaches crawling all over you — in every orifice — when you sleep. The Bureau of Prisons’ answer to that is that they can’t spray. It’s toxic.” Reps for the jail did not immediately respond to requests for comment. *** nypost.com/2019/08/11/former-gotti-confidant-says-jail-where-jeffrey-epstein-died-catered-toward-wealthy-inmates/
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 11, 2019 6:01:45 GMT
I have not read all of the responses so this may have already been share. I think he is actually in witness protection. Ah............. Well worth thinking about!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 11, 2019 7:17:19 GMT
I have not read all of the responses so this may have already been share. I think he is actually in witness protection. Oooohhhh...that’s a good one!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 9:04:28 GMT
Well, there are photos of him being wheeled into the hospital. He doesn't look well. :/ Epstein photosThose photos could be anyone! How convenient to have a photographer just at the right place at the right time...bizzare! As a matter of interest why were the FDNY paramedics there. Are your ambulance paramedics attached to the fire department?
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Post by pastlifepea on Aug 11, 2019 12:51:05 GMT
I am also shopping for a super fly tin foil hat along with some of you. It's way too convenient and provident for so many powerful and well connected men. OTOH, maybe some of his victims are relieved to not have to testify and relive what happened to them. If he is indeed dead, he got off easy, whether by his own hand or someone else's.
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Post by pierkiss on Aug 11, 2019 13:04:21 GMT
Well, there are photos of him being wheeled into the hospital. He doesn't look well. :/ Epstein photosThose photos could be anyone! How convenient to have a photographer just at the right place at the right time...bizzare! As a matter of interest why were the FDNY paramedics there. Are your ambulance paramedics attached to the fire department? It is not uncommon for paparazzi to follow “celebrities” to get the images that will sell the shitty magazines. All it takes is one tip, and the cameras appear within minutes.
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Post by elaine on Aug 11, 2019 14:01:05 GMT
Well, there are photos of him being wheeled into the hospital. He doesn't look well. :/ Epstein photosThose photos could be anyone! How convenient to have a photographer just at the right place at the right time...bizzare! As a matter of interest why were the FDNY paramedics there. Are your ambulance paramedics attached to the fire department?Yes, in the USA, paramedics are attached to fire departments. The paramedic ambulances - which are different than private company ambulances (we have those too) - are housed in fire houses and dispatched from there.
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Post by sassyangel on Aug 11, 2019 14:23:30 GMT
While the world is better off with one less predator, this is too convenient for some very powerful people. Why wasn't he on suicide watch? Did someone "help" him with his suicide? Sounds like some loose ends being tied up, to me. That’s what my husband and I both said. After the recent news that he’d already attempted to kill himself once, why indeed wasn’t he on suicide watch? 🥺😒
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Post by Skellinton on Aug 11, 2019 14:57:08 GMT
I am sorry that this extreme pos took himself out instead of facing the consequences for his reprehensible actions, but I am not at all surprised. I think most people that are as devoid of a soul as he was are extremely cowardly as well. I don’t buy that he was offed, or helped in any way other then the fact that he wasn’t on suicide watch, and even if he was I wonder how much the guards were really worried about his safety. I think you ladies are all really great, and I respect so many of you and have learned so much from you, but some of these theories I am reading sound just as outlandish as the pizza and Clinton conspiracy theories,
I really hope that the prosecutors go forward with charging all the many people involved with him,
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 11, 2019 15:15:27 GMT
Yes, in the USA, paramedics are attached to fire departments. The paramedic ambulances - which are different than private company ambulances (we have those too) - are housed in fire houses and dispatched from there. The paramedics were called to the MCC... Here the paramedics are separate from the FD.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 15:17:09 GMT
Those photos could be anyone! How convenient to have a photographer just at the right place at the right time...bizzare! As a matter of interest why were the FDNY paramedics there. Are your ambulance paramedics attached to the fire department? It is not uncommon for paparazzi to follow “celebrities” to get the images that will sell the shitty magazines. All it takes is one tip, and the cameras appear within minutes. Yes I know that but these photos are not quite the same as celebrity stalking by the paps though.Someone very close to the action has to have tipped them off to the occurrence and to what hospital they were taking him. The question is was it the prison staff? the paramedics? or someone that needs the world to know that he was dead? which brings us back to the suggestion of witness protection. I don't believe in conspiracy theories but it does make one start thinking about it when there is so much going on in your country at the moment.
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Post by pierkiss on Aug 11, 2019 15:50:49 GMT
It is not uncommon for paparazzi to follow “celebrities” to get the images that will sell the shitty magazines. All it takes is one tip, and the cameras appear within minutes. Yes I know that but these photos are not quite the same as celebrity stalking by the paps though.Someone very close to the action has to have tipped them off to the occurrence and to what hospital they were taking him. The question is was it the prison staff? the paramedics? or someone that needs the world to know that he was dead? which brings us back to the suggestion of witness protection. I don't believe in conspiracy theories but it does make one start thinking about it when there is so much going on in your country at the moment. See I think they are exactly the same as all the other celebrity paparazzi pictures. Of course someone close to the situation tipped off the media. They always do. The people that provide the tip are usually paid for the tips too. And police officers and paramedics are often underpaid, so I can totally see someone doing this to make a few dollars. I really don’t think anything nefarious has happened here. That man was a cowardly piece of shit who did terrible things. Rather than stand trial and have every misdeed laid bare for the country to witness and scream about and lose everything, he quit his life. That’s it. It isn’t the first time this has happened, and it won’t be the last.
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 11, 2019 16:01:26 GMT
(Source: NYT) Jeffrey Epstein, the financier who hanged himself in a federal jail in Manhattan, was supposed to have been checked by guards every 30 minutes, but that procedure was not being followed the night before he was found, a law-enforcement official with knowledge of his detention said. In addition, the jail had transferred his cellmate and allowed Mr. Epstein to be housed alone in a cell just two weeks after he had been taken off suicide watch, a decision that also violated the jail’s normal procedure, two officials said. A person with knowledge of the investigation said that when the decision was made to remove Mr. Epstein from suicide watch, the jail informed the Justice Department that Mr. Epstein would have a cellmate and that a guard “would look into his cell” every 30 minutes. But that was apparently not done, the person said. link
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 17:10:41 GMT
Even Epstein’s friend Ghishane Maxwell states those accounts about Clinton were not true. And the times Clinton was in the presence of Epstein, Secret Service was present according to parts of the deposition. Clinton has denied going to the island. But okay. Just like trump claiming not to know Epstein/not knowing him well, yet Epstein recruited right out if Mar-a-lago. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ THE Ghislaine Maxwell? The same woman who has been identified as Epstein’s procurement woman? I wouldn’t trust one damn word out of her mouth. Honestly, anyone trying to cast shade on either Clinton or Trump (as though they were the only guilty party here) hasn’t been paying attention. This is above political affiliations. They’re all in this. OKAY, THIS IS ALL MAKING ME SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!! ****MOST PEOPLE**** who lived or worked in Manhattan in the late 1970's, 1980's would probably recall the Wexner estate & would probably remember whispers about Epstein and Trump. C'mon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This dates back that fuckin' far!!! The 2 of them were in on the child kidnappings/rapes/sex trafficking all the way back then! YES, they had 'parties' and offered these young girls to prominent people (and as we learned, Epstein had tapes of everything), BUT, before then, it was just Trump & Epstein.
I'm so sick of immediately hearing about the people who came to the parties and possibly/probably had sex with minors.
Clinton's name comes up first on any search regarding Epstein because Trump worked hard in the past day or so to put it there! Clinton did have LEGITIMATE trips via Epstein to South Africa for Clinton's AIDS cause; nothing more. The ONLY questionable Clinton/Epstein issue was when Clinton visited the Wexner estate unaccompanied by his secret service---that doesn't look good (never did). Other than that, Clinton had his aides with him, filmed the Africa humanitarian visit, etc. This is just a fucking lame coverup job!!!!
For ANYONE immediately saying, "Clinton had the most reason to have Epstein dead..": OMFG, go look into all of the SDNY lawsuits and criminal claims from young women who wanted Epstein & Trump to be held accountable for their brutal rapes as young girls. YES, they got scared and almost all of them ended up dropping any claims. It'll unfold!!!!
Trump is an ugly, desperate, sick, stupid motherfucker. He's abused and raped young girls for a lifetime. Sorry, but I just do not believe that about President Clinton (who had a very big sexual appetite, but I doubt he'd be STUPID enough to fall for girls under age!!!!!). Ugh, this topic pisses me off to no end!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 17:20:07 GMT
Clinton surely did have an active sex life but I'd asume he knew enough to keep it safe enough with women his own age. Monica? 20, 21? No wait, "I did not have sex with that woman!"
But not underage!
Yup, a stupid lie, but she wasn't underage! Don't think he could ever be into 12/13 year olds like Trump & Epstein were!!!!!!!!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 11, 2019 18:01:08 GMT
THE Ghislaine Maxwell? The same woman who has been identified as Epstein’s procurement woman? I wouldn’t trust one damn word out of her mouth. Honestly, anyone trying to cast shade on either Clinton or Trump (as though they were the only guilty party here) hasn’t been paying attention. This is above political affiliations. They’re all in this. OKAY, THIS IS ALL MAKING ME SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!! ****MOST PEOPLE**** who lived or worked in Manhattan in the late 1970's, 1980's would probably recall the Wexner estate & would probably remember whispers about Epstein and Trump. C'mon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This dates back that fuckin' far!!! The 2 of them were in on the child kidnappings/rapes/sex trafficking all the way back then! YES, they had 'parties' and offered these young girls to prominent people (and as we learned, Epstein had tapes of everything), BUT, before then, it was just Trump & Epstein.
I'm so sick of immediately hearing about the people who came to the parties and possibly/probably had sex with minors.
Clinton's name comes up first on any search regarding Epstein because Trump worked hard in the past day or so to put it there! Clinton did have LEGITIMATE trips via Epstein to South Africa for Clinton's AIDS cause; nothing more. The ONLY questionable Clinton/Epstein issue was when Clinton visited the Wexner estate unaccompanied by his secret service---that doesn't look good (never did). Other than that, Clinton had his aides with him, filmed the Africa humanitarian visit, etc. This is just a fucking lame coverup job!!!!
For ANYONE immediately saying, "Clinton had the most reason to have Epstein dead..": OMFG, go look into all of the SDNY lawsuits and criminal claims from young women who wanted Epstein & Trump to be held accountable for their brutal rapes as young girls. YES, they got scared and almost all of them ended up dropping any claims. It'll unfold!!!!
Trump is an ugly, desperate, sick, stupid motherfucker. He's abused and raped young girls for a lifetime. Sorry, but I just do not believe that about President Clinton (who had a very big sexual appetite, but I doubt he'd be STUPID enough to fall for girls under age!!!!!). Ugh, this topic pisses me off to no end!
FWIW, my MIL has lived in Brooklyn her whole life and had never heard of Epstein until he was recently arrested. She might be the only one, but there is at least one person who hadn’t heard of him. . I’ll have to ask her if she has heard of the Wexner Estate.
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Post by elaine on Aug 11, 2019 18:10:29 GMT
Yes, in the USA, paramedics are attached to fire departments. The paramedic ambulances - which are different than private company ambulances (we have those too) - are housed in fire houses and dispatched from there. The paramedics were called to the MCC... Here the paramedics are separate from the FD. If they are separate there, why did Dotty notice that they were NYFD Paramedics and ask about it? Here in Northern VA and in WV, they are housed in the fire stations and the trucks bear the station house I.d. number etc. Therefore, I assumed that it wasn’t abnormal for the response paramedics to the Epstein suicide to have NYFD uniforms, etc. If they are separate, I wonder where the people Dotty saw came from?
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 11, 2019 18:32:20 GMT
The paramedics were called to the MCC... Here the paramedics are separate from the FD. If they are separate there, why did Dotty notice that they were NYFD Paramedics and ask about it? Here in Northern VA and in WV, they are housed in the fire stations and the trucks bear the station house I.d. number etc. Therefore, I assumed that it wasn’t abnormal for the response paramedics to the Epstein suicide to have NYFD uniforms, etc. If they are separate, I wonder where the people Dotty saw came from? We’re set up pretty much the same as in your state. In all local emergency situations I’ve seen and even in my own experience, fire trucks are actually the first on the scene of an emergency because our fire crews are staffed with paramedics. Many years ago, when my dad had a fatal emergency and 911 was called, the first on the scene was a firetruck and two paramedics were on board who then attempted to save my dad. Minutes after, a Chicago Fire Department Emergency Medical Services ambulance arrived. They were all part of the Chicago Fire Dept.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 11, 2019 18:37:31 GMT
The paramedics were called to the MCC... Here the paramedics are separate from the FD. If they are separate there, why did Dotty notice that they were NYFD Paramedics and ask about it? Here in Northern VA and in WV, they are housed in the fire stations and the trucks bear the station house I.d. number etc. Therefore, I assumed that it wasn’t abnormal for the response paramedics to the Epstein suicide to have NYFD uniforms, etc. If they are separate, I wonder where the people Dotty saw came from? FDNY has fire trucks and ambulances...
My here is my town NJ. We have mostly volunteer fire departments and first aid housed in different locations. ... The next towns over, south and west, have EMS related with their paid FD, it varies by town.
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Post by femalebusiness on Aug 11, 2019 18:38:07 GMT
THE Ghislaine Maxwell? The same woman who has been identified as Epstein’s procurement woman? I wouldn’t trust one damn word out of her mouth. Honestly, anyone trying to cast shade on either Clinton or Trump (as though they were the only guilty party here) hasn’t been paying attention. This is above political affiliations. They’re all in this. OKAY, THIS IS ALL MAKING ME SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!! ****MOST PEOPLE**** who lived or worked in Manhattan in the late 1970's, 1980's would probably recall the Wexner estate & would probably remember whispers about Epstein and Trump. C'mon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This dates back that fuckin' far!!! The 2 of them were in on the child kidnappings/rapes/sex trafficking all the way back then! YES, they had 'parties' and offered these young girls to prominent people (and as we learned, Epstein had tapes of everything), BUT, before then, it was just Trump & Epstein.
I'm so sick of immediately hearing about the people who came to the parties and possibly/probably had sex with minors.
Clinton's name comes up first on any search regarding Epstein because Trump worked hard in the past day or so to put it there! Clinton did have LEGITIMATE trips via Epstein to South Africa for Clinton's AIDS cause; nothing more. The ONLY questionable Clinton/Epstein issue was when Clinton visited the Wexner estate unaccompanied by his secret service---that doesn't look good (never did). Other than that, Clinton had his aides with him, filmed the Africa humanitarian visit, etc. This is just a fucking lame coverup job!!!!
For ANYONE immediately saying, "Clinton had the most reason to have Epstein dead..": OMFG, go look into all of the SDNY lawsuits and criminal claims from young women who wanted Epstein & Trump to be held accountable for their brutal rapes as young girls. YES, they got scared and almost all of them ended up dropping any claims. It'll unfold!!!!
Trump is an ugly, desperate, sick, stupid motherfucker. He's abused and raped young girls for a lifetime. Sorry, but I just do not believe that about President Clinton (who had a very big sexual appetite, but I doubt he'd be STUPID enough to fall for girls under age!!!!!). Ugh, this topic pisses me off to no end!
There are a lot of people, younger than I, who never paid much attention to trump until he started running for president. You @bergdorfblonde, and I, have been paying attention to that con and his criminal activities since the late 70s. We know him and what he has done and will do. People who don't educate themselves about trumps history are hard to take seriously.
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Post by papersilly on Aug 11, 2019 19:19:40 GMT
I don't buy the whole Clinton-offed-him conspiracy. If Clinton was to do anyone in, wouldn't it be the one who is the biggest pain in his ass?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 21:03:35 GMT
OKAY, THIS IS ALL MAKING ME SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!! ****MOST PEOPLE**** who lived or worked in Manhattan in the late 1970's, 1980's would probably recall the Wexner estate & would probably remember whispers about Epstein and Trump. C'mon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This dates back that fuckin' far!!! The 2 of them were in on the child kidnappings/rapes/sex trafficking all the way back then! YES, they had 'parties' and offered these young girls to prominent people (and as we learned, Epstein had tapes of everything), BUT, before then, it was just Trump & Epstein.
I'm so sick of immediately hearing about the people who came to the parties and possibly/probably had sex with minors.
Clinton's name comes up first on any search regarding Epstein because Trump worked hard in the past day or so to put it there! Clinton did have LEGITIMATE trips via Epstein to South Africa for Clinton's AIDS cause; nothing more. The ONLY questionable Clinton/Epstein issue was when Clinton visited the Wexner estate unaccompanied by his secret service---that doesn't look good (never did). Other than that, Clinton had his aides with him, filmed the Africa humanitarian visit, etc. This is just a fucking lame coverup job!!!!
For ANYONE immediately saying, "Clinton had the most reason to have Epstein dead..": OMFG, go look into all of the SDNY lawsuits and criminal claims from young women who wanted Epstein & Trump to be held accountable for their brutal rapes as young girls. YES, they got scared and almost all of them ended up dropping any claims. It'll unfold!!!!
Trump is an ugly, desperate, sick, stupid motherfucker. He's abused and raped young girls for a lifetime. Sorry, but I just do not believe that about President Clinton (who had a very big sexual appetite, but I doubt he'd be STUPID enough to fall for girls under age!!!!!). Ugh, this topic pisses me off to no end!
There are a lot of people, younger than I, who never paid much attention to trump until he started running for president. You @bergdorfblonde , and I, have been paying attention to that con and his criminal activities since the late 70s. We know him and what he has done and will do. People who don't educate themselves about trumps history are hard to take seriously. THANK YOU femalebusiness!! Yup, my memories are clear.... It frustrated me when his damned tv show (well, Mark Burnett's!) came out and everyone came to look at his freakin' Tower and bought into it. I'd try to say, "He's NOT 'rich...'" but it was hard for them to get it!!!
You're a breath of fresh air! xo
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Post by Skellinton on Aug 12, 2019 22:17:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 23:29:16 GMT
Legal peas, if criminal cases are pursued against others related to sick Epstein's sick assaults and sick actions, would his attorneys be able to be subpoenaed? Or does attorney-client last beyond death of the client?
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 13, 2019 23:40:07 GMT
Legal peas, if criminal cases are pursued against others related to sick Epstein's sick assaults and sick actions, would his attorneys be able to be subpoenaed? Or does attorney-client last beyond death of the client? Confidentiality survives death of the client. The privilege belongs to the client, not the atty. Therefore, only the client can break that privilege.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 14, 2019 1:13:40 GMT
I heard on some news or another (maybe it’s in your link) that his close associates have been cleaning that place out, removing computers, notebooks, etc. before the law descended on the place.
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Post by Skellinton on Aug 14, 2019 1:16:00 GMT
I heard on some news or another (maybe it’s in your link) that his close associates have been cleaning that place out, removing computers, notebooks, etc. before the law descended on the place. I am sure they did, I imagine they are probably fearful of facing prosecution themselves. I find it really odd they waited until his death to search though, I wonder what they hoped to find?
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Post by gina on Aug 14, 2019 3:13:19 GMT
Sooo regarding the FDNY ambulances on scene: There are actually two types of vehicles in the firehouse: the fire TRUCK (ladder) and the fire ENGINE (hose). They both have different jobs. An engine will report to all EMS calls. Sometimes a ladder will be dispatched as well, but it depends on what type of call comes in. So in short, no it was not uncommon at all to see FDNY at the scene. signed, FDNY wife
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Post by AussieMeg on Aug 14, 2019 4:25:35 GMT
Sooo regarding the FDNY ambulances on scene: There are actually two types of vehicles in the firehouse: the fire TRUCK (ladder) and the fire ENGINE (hose). They both have different jobs. An engine will report to all EMS calls. Sometimes a ladder will be dispatched as well, but it depends on what type of call comes in. So in short, no it was not uncommon at all to see FDNY at the scene. Here, firemen are "first responders" and they are sometimes first on the scene at all kinds of incidents where first aid is required. I have done a lot of training at the MFB in the past as I was the chief fire warden at my office. The guys from the fire brigade who run the training told us that all metropolitan fire brigades are only 4 minutes under lights and sirens from anywhere in the city and suburbs, whereas there are not as many ambulance depots so the response times can be longer. That's why the fire brigade is sometimes called out to medical emergencies. One of the fireys said that he has been called out to several cases of SIDS, which is the worst thing he's had to deal with.
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