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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 15:55:28 GMT
linkABC News.. ”Any co-conspirators should not rest easy." Attorney General William Barr says he was "appalled" and "angry" after the suicide death of accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and that "we will get to the bottom of what happened." abcn.ws/31rv53Q” So how many people think there will be a objective thorough transparent investigation into Epstein’s death? I’m not one for conspiracy theories but there is something odd in his death. Now maybe he did just commit suicide or maybe he had a little help. And if he did have help, from who did this help come from? And I don’t trust Barr at all.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 12, 2019 15:59:45 GMT
I no longer trust a word out of Barr’s mouth. He has shown he has no problem bending facts, truth, or constitutionality in his mission of defending Trump. Therefore, the thoroughness of any investigation into Epstein’s death will depend on what Trump wants out of it.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 12, 2019 16:05:50 GMT
I'm not usually too much of a conspiracy theory nut, but this morning on the radio I heard one that could possibly be true... if enough people get paid the right amount of $$$, Jeffrey Epstein might be living in Brazil or Argentina right now. He had to have a *TON* of compromising information on a *LOT* of VERY rich and influential people...
Do they have a body they've proven is his?
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Post by Just T on Aug 12, 2019 16:14:19 GMT
I absolutely do NOT believe there will be a thorough, transparent investigation. I agree with Lucy--it will be whatever Trump tells Barr to make it.
I am usually one who laughs at conspiracy theories, but I am hoping that in this case, the suicide was fake and that he IS off in Brazil or something in the witness protection program because he is going to give up all that he knows. I have zero doubt the roots of this run deep and involves a great number of rich and powerful men, and it all needs to come out.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 12, 2019 16:39:35 GMT
I said something yesterday to my DH about Jeffrey Epstein... something like 'all the other men he hung around with, like Clinton, and DT, and...' and my DT-supporting DH says, "what are you talking about? DT didn't have anything to do with him." Seriously?!? Me: "Oh, YES, he DID!" DH: "oh, well-- if he just did *business* with him, then, that doesn't prove anything..." Me: "Well, what about the parties with the cheerleaders, etc.?!?" DH: "what parties?" Me: gives up... Seriously, what kind of mind-control do they send thru the Fox News Channel tv waves, anyway?!?
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Post by Just T on Aug 12, 2019 16:41:52 GMT
I said something yesterday to my DH about Jeffrey Epstein... something like 'all the other men he hung around with, like Clinton, and DT, and...' and my DT-supporting DH says, "what are you talking about? DT didn't have anything to do with him." Seriously?!? Me: "Oh, YES, he DID!" DH: "oh, well-- if he just did *business* with him, then, that doesn't prove anything..." Me: "Well, what about the parties with the cheerleaders, etc.?!?" DH: "what parties?" Me: gives up... Seriously, what kind of mind-control do they send thru the Fox News Channel tv waves, anyway?!? I had a conversation with someone yesterday (Trump supporter) who said she will not watch any news other than Fox because it is the ONLY news station out there that is not biased and doesn't report fake news.
SMDH.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Aug 12, 2019 16:42:26 GMT
Headmaster Donald Barr* hired Epstein, who had no college degree, to teach at the Dalton School in 1974. While there, Epstein made contacts with young girls (naturally) and wealthy families. The CEO of Bear Stearns (an investment firm that tanked during the crash in 2008) had children at Dalton and was introduced to Epstein during that time. Two years later, Epstein was dismissed from Dalton and started working at Bear Stearns (remember, Epstein had no college degree). He was dismissed from Bear Stearns in 1981 for policy violations and started his own firm, though he continued to be a client of Bear Stearns until it failed in 2008. Jeffrey Epstein's career (and the lifestyle it supported) could, without even squinting too hard, be attributed in large part to the boost William Barr's father gave him. Additionally, one does wonder what particular talent or skill or "commodity" Epstein had/provided that attracted these (and so many other) powerful men and encouraged them to assist Epstein in his endeavors and keep him around, even after he'd proven himself unreliable and/or untrustworthy. It's no wonder AG Barr is doing everything in his power to do whatever Trump wants, especially in connection to the Epstein case.
*William Barr's father, by the way
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 12, 2019 17:31:00 GMT
Exactly. No conflict of interest at all, move along, nothing to see here... /sarcasm
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Post by lindas on Aug 12, 2019 17:38:12 GMT
Headmaster Donald Barr* hired Epstein, who had no college degree, to teach at the Dalton School in 1974. While there, Epstein made contacts with young girls (naturally) and wealthy families. The CEO of Bear Stearns (an investment firm that tanked during the crash in 2008) had children at Dalton and was introduced to Epstein during that time. Two years later, Epstein was dismissed from Dalton and started working at Bear Stearns (remember, Epstein had no college degree). He was dismissed from Bear Stearns in 1981 for policy violations and started his own firm, though he continued to be a client of Bear Stearns until it failed in 2008. linkJeffrey Epstein's career (and the lifestyle it supported) could, without even squinting too hard, be attributed in large part to the boost William Barr's father gave him. Additionally, one does wonder what particular talent or skill or "commodity" Epstein had/provided that attracted these (and so many other) powerful men and encouraged them to assist Epstein in his endeavors and keep him around, even after he'd proven himself unreliable and/or untrustworthy. It's no wonder AG Barr is doing everything in his power to do whatever Trump wants, especially in connection to the Epstein case.
*William Barr's father, by the way
Check your facts, from a New York Times Article; "In February 1974, Mr. Barr had announced that he was resigning as headmaster, protesting the meddling by the board of trustees, but that he would stay on until the end of the school year. It is unclear whether Mr. Barr hired Mr. Epstein during that time." link
Epstein didn't start working at the school until September, 1974.
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Post by kmcginn on Aug 12, 2019 18:03:11 GMT
I answered that Fox was biased too, only in the other (Trump's) direction. She told me that was not true - FOX was the only one that tells the truth!
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Post by thundergal on Aug 12, 2019 18:12:03 GMT
This story will fade from the news with time and absolutely nothing will be done to determine what happened to Epstein.
I was devastated when I saw the news of his suicide on Saturday morning. Feel like I'm grieving for his victims and for justice in this country.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 12, 2019 18:13:12 GMT
I said the other day that Barr should not be investigating this mess, his department, under his watch!!. He has already proven that he will cover for his pal dt!! He has destroyed his credibility! Blown his career!
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Aug 12, 2019 19:14:48 GMT
Headmaster Donald Barr* hired Epstein, who had no college degree, to teach at the Dalton School in 1974. While there, Epstein made contacts with young girls (naturally) and wealthy families. The CEO of Bear Stearns (an investment firm that tanked during the crash in 2008) had children at Dalton and was introduced to Epstein during that time. Two years later, Epstein was dismissed from Dalton and started working at Bear Stearns (remember, Epstein had no college degree). He was dismissed from Bear Stearns in 1981 for policy violations and started his own firm, though he continued to be a client of Bear Stearns until it failed in 2008. linkJeffrey Epstein's career (and the lifestyle it supported) could, without even squinting too hard, be attributed in large part to the boost William Barr's father gave him. Additionally, one does wonder what particular talent or skill or "commodity" Epstein had/provided that attracted these (and so many other) powerful men and encouraged them to assist Epstein in his endeavors and keep him around, even after he'd proven himself unreliable and/or untrustworthy. It's no wonder AG Barr is doing everything in his power to do whatever Trump wants, especially in connection to the Epstein case.
*William Barr's father, by the way
Check your facts, from a New York Times Article; "In February 1974, Mr. Barr had announced that he was resigning as headmaster, protesting the meddling by the board of trustees, but that he would stay on until the end of the school year. It is unclear whether Mr. Barr hired Mr. Epstein during that time." link
Epstein didn't start working at the school until September, 1974. Firstly, I do not appreciate you inserting a link into my post as part of the quote. If you wanted to link to the article, you should have done it as part of YOUR statement, not mine. I have no problem with the link itself, only that you inserted something into my post as though it was mine, which it is not.
Secondly, the NYT article at that time felt it was "unclear" whether Donald Barr, the headmaster of the school, hired Epstein. Other articles in other publications before and since have not been unclear and have stated outright that Barr did, indeed, hire Epstein. At the very least, even the article you linked stated Barr "made it a point to hire teachers from unconventional backgrounds," which certainly describes the non-degreed, Brooklyn-born Epstein.
So, while it's possible Barr didn't hire Epstein, he did hire teachers as part of his job as headmaster, was known to teachers like Epstein, and was still employed by and working at the school when Epstein was hired.
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Post by verdepea on Aug 12, 2019 19:15:42 GMT
How could anyone have any confidence? Trump publically pushing a conspiracy theory about the Clinton's, Bill Barr hasn't recused himself, Alex Acosta when a Federal Prosecutor, held a private meeting with his lawyers, gave a sweet heart deal not only to to Epstein but the unknown co-conspirators, and then violated the rights of the victims by not notifying them of the deal. There are others who helped in the cover up, but we do not know who.
The circumstances surrounding his suicide are circumspect. If people want YOU dead and he is better of dead, they are going to find a way. But DO I see everything that could go wrong, going wrong? YES I DO.
I don't know if that P.O.S. offed himself or not. He was used to living an ULTRA rich lifestyle and definitely couldn't handle prison for the rest of his like. He knew he was toast in addition to the criminal trials. I could see him choosing to die by suicide for a few reasons:
1. He may have seen himself as a marauder sacrificing his own life for the sake of others. Let their high priced lawyers DENY till they DIE. 2. He knew there would be hit out on him and chose to do it himself to avoid a painful death 2. Everyone knows when he died the criminal cases are dismissed. A DEAD defendant is unable to testify in a court of law, should he choose to take the stand. 3. Being Dead make it less likely his victims will receive ANY compensation in a civil suit. It will be difficult because although they will go after the estate, again he is dead. 4. It may be easier to protect the assets in the estate.
UGH, I so want justice for the victims. Sadly, I believe some of the victims were murdered. I don't know if we will ever find out, but the thought chills me to the bone.
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Post by flute4peace on Aug 12, 2019 19:28:32 GMT
You forgot option 3: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I'm voting for that one.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 12, 2019 19:36:25 GMT
I said something yesterday to my DH about Jeffrey Epstein... something like 'all the other men he hung around with, like Clinton, and DT, and...' and my DT-supporting DH says, "what are you talking about? DT didn't have anything to do with him." Seriously?!? Me: "Oh, YES, he DID!" DH: "oh, well-- if he just did *business* with him, then, that doesn't prove anything..." Me: "Well, what about the parties with the cheerleaders, etc.?!?" DH: "what parties?" Me: gives up... Seriously, what kind of mind-control do they send thru the Fox News Channel tv waves, anyway?!? I had a conversation with someone yesterday (Trump supporter) who said she will not watch any news other than Fox because it is the ONLY news station out there that is not biased and doesn't report fake news.
SMDH.
I wonder if Fox News went off the air or stopped all their lying, if a lot of heads would actually explode.
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Post by pinklady on Aug 12, 2019 19:50:35 GMT
I said something yesterday to my DH about Jeffrey Epstein... something like 'all the other men he hung around with, like Clinton, and DT, and...' and my DT-supporting DH says, "what are you talking about? DT didn't have anything to do with him." Seriously?!? Me: "Oh, YES, he DID!" DH: "oh, well-- if he just did *business* with him, then, that doesn't prove anything..." Me: "Well, what about the parties with the cheerleaders, etc.?!?" DH: "what parties?" Me: gives up... Seriously, what kind of mind-control do they send thru the Fox News Channel tv waves, anyway?!? Honestly, this says way more about you than him.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 12, 2019 20:16:16 GMT
Honestly, this says way more about you than him. I know I probably shouldn't, but I'm going to anyway: what exactly do you mean by this?
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Post by purplebee on Aug 12, 2019 21:34:27 GMT
Honestly, this says way more about you than him. I know I probably shouldn't, but I'm going to anyway: what exactly do you mean by this? Wondering the same thing....
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Post by papersilly on Aug 13, 2019 0:59:57 GMT
He needs to stop his fake indignant act. His boss is probably shitting bricks at what might be out there on him. His "investigation" is just an excuse to have his fingers in the cookie jar.
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Post by peasapie on Aug 13, 2019 1:08:06 GMT
I'm wondering why he cares about this particular issue, among so many others. There is always a personal, ulterior motive with our President
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 13, 2019 17:58:33 GMT
I’m skeptical. We didn’t even get answers on Epstein’s first suicide attempt – did he try to kill himself or was it foul play?
There’s also Barr’s distortion of the Mueller report that sticks in my craw. No Atty Gen should have done that and his support of Trump’s claim that there was some deep state illegal spying done against him and his campaign eroded trust in the Attty Gen’s office.
The other reason is that both the Bureau of Prisons and the FBI are under the jurisdiction of the Dept of Justice, which is totally under Barr’s purview and authority. I do not want to badmouth the entire BoP and FBI, but with Barr, I cannot be 100% confident of the full objectivity of the investigation. What I might tend to believe is whatever results from the Inspector General’s investigation. Inspectors General are usually fiercely independent and not known for corruption.
This much seems apparent to me…US Atty Jeffrey Berman has concrete evidence against Epstein’s co-conspirators because he otherwise would not have said this: “To those brave young women who have already come forward and to the many others who have yet to do so, let me reiterate that we remain committed to standing for you, and our investigation of the conduct charged in the Indictment – which included a conspiracy count – remains ongoing.” He would not be giving the victims hope unless there’s a very high likelihood criminal charges against others are forthcoming.
There was a very interesting article in the NYT yesterday written by James B Stewart who interviewed Jeffrey Epstein re his ties to Tesla. What was particularly of note in that interview was this: “He [Epstein] said that criminalizing sex with teenage girls was a cultural aberration and that at times in history it was perfectly acceptable.” It would seem that was how Epstein justified his depravity.
WSJ is now reporting that their source claims Epstein’s lawyers were the ones who requested he be removed from suicide watch. If true, why?
Preet Bharara, in his podcast, said this suicide is extraordinary in that even though there’s a serious suicide issue in lots of jails and prisons, the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan is not known for that. In fact-checking this, I can only find one other successful suicide that has occurred there in its 44-year history. Additionally, Elie Honig and Mimi Rocah cannot recall any instance of a successful suicide at MCC.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 19:52:15 GMT
linkFrom cnet. Adds to the conspiracy theories. Not sure what to make of the use of the medical terms/knowledge.
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Post by Skellinton on Aug 13, 2019 19:56:38 GMT
I believe the warden and 2 guards are on leave.
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Post by papersilly on Aug 13, 2019 20:06:25 GMT
I'm wondering why he cares about this particular issue, among so many others. There is always a personal, ulterior motive with our President EXACTLY!! if epstein didn't have a connection to the president and other high profile government figures, barr wouldn't even give this the time of day
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 22:53:25 GMT
I said something yesterday to my DH about Jeffrey Epstein... something like 'all the other men he hung around with, like Clinton, and DT, and...' and my DT-supporting DH says, "what are you talking about? DT didn't have anything to do with him." Seriously?!? Me: "Oh, YES, he DID!" DH: "oh, well-- if he just did *business* with him, then, that doesn't prove anything..." Me: "Well, what about the parties with the cheerleaders, etc.?!?" DH: "what parties?" Me: gives up... Seriously, what kind of mind-control do they send thru the Fox News Channel tv waves, anyway?!? femalebusiness could probably answer this too, but as far as I've heard/read/seen, President Clinton was only at the Wexner Estate ONCE in his wife, and it was unaccompanied by his aides. Not sure if it was for one of Epstein's "parties", but I'd doubt it! He was definitely NOT a regular in that scene!!! He did go on Epstein's plane with him to Africa (took several plane rides) for his Clinton Foundation AIDS fund, but that seemed to be on the up and up. I guess we might hear from any info coming out now.......
Keep in mind that Trump has been his friend and cohort since the late 1970's. He was named in a few lawsuits that claimed that he and Epstein brutally raped very young girls. I NEVER heard any such claims against President Clinton or any other famous politician associated with Epstein. Only Trump.
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 13, 2019 23:02:10 GMT
I said something yesterday to my DH about Jeffrey Epstein... something like 'all the other men he hung around with, like Clinton, and DT, and...' and my DT-supporting DH says, "what are you talking about? DT didn't have anything to do with him." Seriously?!? Me: "Oh, YES, he DID!" DH: "oh, well-- if he just did *business* with him, then, that doesn't prove anything..." Me: "Well, what about the parties with the cheerleaders, etc.?!?" DH: "what parties?" Me: gives up... Seriously, what kind of mind-control do they send thru the Fox News Channel tv waves, anyway?!? femalebusiness could probably answer this too, but as far as I've heard/read/seen, President Clinton was only at the Wexner Estate ONCE in his wife, and it was unaccompanied by his aides. Not sure if it was for one of Epstein's "parties", but I'd doubt it! He was definitely NOT a regular in that scene!!! He did go on Epstein's plane with him to Africa (took several plane rides) for his Clinton Foundation AIDS fund, but that seemed to be on the up and up. I guess we might hear from any info coming out now.......
Keep in mind that Trump has been his friend and cohort since the late 1970's. He was named in a few lawsuits that claimed that he and Epstein brutally raped very young girls. I NEVER heard any such claims against President Clinton or any other famous politician associated with Epstein. Only Trump.
Since you brought up Wexner, here’s something I find truly puzzling. Esptein’s deep involvement with Les Wexner’s financial affairs was detailed extensively by NYT (to the point that he gave Epstein power of attorney over all his finances to the horror of close friends), and Wexner hmself later claimed that he was swindled by Epstein to the tune of at least $46 million. Which begs the question, why didn’t Wexner ever sue Epstein? This was over ten years ago. I don’t care how rich someone is…no one just shrugs off $46 million.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 23:02:35 GMT
I am usually not one for conspiracy theories either but...one thing that struck me as odd was there was one pictures of JE lying on a gurney with an oxygen mask on his face and then there is another picture of him IN THE ER where he doesn't have oxygen on. You get a clear picture of him. Almost like they wanted people to know that it was him. I tried to link the picture of him with oxygen on but couldn't do it for some reason. I thought the same thing!!! Also, when someone hangs themselves (sorry, graphic), I'd assume that they wouldn't look like this!! The only difference here is that his face looked blueish & fake in color. His neck showed NO marks. Seemed very 'off' to me!
Sidenote: I wouldn't be surprised to see him walking around this part of FL, where so many people move to as a part of the witness protection program and also just to evade the law.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 23:12:26 GMT
femalebusiness could probably answer this too, but as far as I've heard/read/seen, President Clinton was only at the Wexner Estate ONCE in his wife, and it was unaccompanied by his aides. Not sure if it was for one of Epstein's "parties", but I'd doubt it! He was definitely NOT a regular in that scene!!! He did go on Epstein's plane with him to Africa (took several plane rides) for his Clinton Foundation AIDS fund, but that seemed to be on the up and up. I guess we might hear from any info coming out now.......
Keep in mind that Trump has been his friend and cohort since the late 1970's. He was named in a few lawsuits that claimed that he and Epstein brutally raped very young girls. I NEVER heard any such claims against President Clinton or any other famous politician associated with Epstein. Only Trump.
Since you brought up Wexner, here’s something I find truly puzzling. Esptein’s deep involvement with Les Wexner’s financial affairs was detailed extensively by NYT (to the point that he gave Epstein power of attorney over all his finances to the horror of close friends), and Wexner hmself later claimed that he was swindled by Epstein to the tune of at least $46 million. Which begs the question, why didn’t Wexner ever sue Epstein? This was over ten years ago. I hdon’t care how rich someone is…no one just shrugs off $46 million. You're right & I've always had my own opinion about this topic... Either Epstein was secretly a lover to these older, wealthy men, or he had something over on them. IMO, I think that they were all in love with him. He seemed to cast a certain spell over these men and got them to sign off on portions of their portfolios or estates or personal items.
Wexner gave Epstein a PORTION of his companies to dabble in, but got offended if Epstein took advantage. Then again, he did let him get away with a lot. Why the heck would Wexner supposedly "sell" the biggest townhouse in Manhattan to Epstein for $1?? Biggest mystery ever.......... I believe that Wexner certainly did shrug off the $46 million and so much more, in order to remain close to Epstein for years.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 23:49:53 GMT
Only in Foxmerica could a previous President w/no current control over the DOJ have his henchmen slip nonchalantly into said a prison run by said DOJ and off someone w/exceedingly more ties to the current President and AG than to that previous President.
Foxmerica - we deceive, you believe.
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