sharlag
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Post by sharlag on Aug 14, 2019 14:25:25 GMT
how could you phrase it somewhat tactfully? So that they won't take offense, and leave a bad online review?
We've BEEN telling people that our schedule is full for several weeks, hoping they'll find another service provider.
This latest dude is a hoarder, and the first technician we sent in said he was walking on trash, actual TRASH, in the path that lead to the furnace room.
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johnnysmom
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Post by johnnysmom on Aug 14, 2019 14:26:55 GMT
Could you say something about the furnace not being accessible enough to work on?
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sharlag
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Post by sharlag on Aug 14, 2019 14:32:08 GMT
Could you say something about the furnace not being accessible enough to work on? Yes, we could. If they clear out an area around the furnace though, we still wouldn't want to subject someone to the rest of that trash.
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garcia5050
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Post by garcia5050 on Aug 14, 2019 14:34:19 GMT
It has to be a safety issue. But how to word that tactfully? I’m thinking tripping hazard, things falling over, possible rodent (rabies) and bugs that could cause problems. The house needs to be clear enough to reduce the above scenarios.
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kate
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Post by kate on Aug 14, 2019 14:35:05 GMT
Would it help to require a "clear path" to the furnace as part of the contract?
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 14, 2019 14:37:49 GMT
Trash is nothing! DH has been in houses where the mice literally ran right over his shoes! There have been a few times when it has been so bad he has told clients that he can’t work on their project until the area is sufficiently cleared, and he usually will give them a date a couple months out that he will honor his estimate through. If they can get it cleared out enough so he can do what they want or need him to do within that timeframe he will come back and do the work for the stated price. If not, too bad so sad, they will have to pay for a second service call and the cost may have changed over that time. (Especially with the tariffs that are starting to drastically affect the wholesale cost of job materials, that’s a very real possibility.) Also sometimes the cost goes up after that because he knows he’ll be working in a disgusting hell hole and he’s giving them the ‘I really don’t want that job’ price quote.
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sharlag
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Post by sharlag on Aug 14, 2019 14:38:35 GMT
It has to be a safety issue. But how to word that tactfully? I’m thinking tripping hazard, things falling over, possible rodent (rabies) and bugs that could cause problems. The house needs to be clear enough to reduce the above scenarios. Yeah! I guess saying, "the house is currently too full of belongings that impede safe execution of the task" or something like that. It's hard to avoid insulting language, while being honest about what the issue is. Hence, we lie about our availability.
Also sometimes the cost goes up after that because he knows he’ll be working in a disgusting hell hole and he’s giving them the ‘I really don’t want that job’ price quote. Yeah, we have upcharged for the ugly and unpleasant. It's just so hard to keep good employees, that we don't want to put them in those situations.
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Post by dewryce on Aug 14, 2019 14:42:41 GMT
I imagine if it’s that bad that even air quality is affected. What a difficult position to be in, I hope someone ca offer wording to offset the blow!
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johnnysmom
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Post by johnnysmom on Aug 14, 2019 14:43:10 GMT
Still thinking....
What if you just said something like “sorry, but we’re not able to work on your house”. Let them infer whatever they want (hopefully, like the furnace is too old or a brand you don’t service)? If they pressed you could say it’s in an unsafe/inaccessible/high-risk location. If they then gave you a bad yelp review I don’t think it would sway new potential customers since their house is different, kwim.
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Post by disneypal on Aug 14, 2019 14:44:01 GMT
That is tough...perhaps tell the customer that your schedule is booked and then recommend to them another company. I know you don't normally send a client to a competitor but perhaps at least if you recommend someone else, he will be appreciative.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 15:21:48 GMT
Due to an overwhelming need in our area we are sorry we are unable to provide service at this time. We apologize for any inconvenience.
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Post by mayceesgranny on Aug 14, 2019 15:27:57 GMT
Is there any reason you can't be truthful? I understand that people have the ability to leave a bad review, but it you are truthful and up front how can they really complain? Their dirty/unsafe house is the issue.
I'd rather have them write a review that said "they won't service my furnace because my house is too filthy and unsafe" than a review that said, "They never showed up to fix my furnace."
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sharlag
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Post by sharlag on Aug 14, 2019 15:30:23 GMT
Is there any reason you can't be truthful? I understand that people have the ability to leave a bad review, but it you are truthful and up front how can they really complain? Their dirty/unsafe house is the issue. I'd rather have them write a review that said "they won't service my furnace because my house is too filthy and unsafe" than a review that said, "They never showed up to fix my furnace." GOOD POINT! I'm telling you though, people often post reviews that are way different than how we experienced whatever happened... Perception, man!
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Post by roberta on Aug 14, 2019 15:32:31 GMT
If your worry is an online review: aren’t you allowed to respond to those? You could just respond with why you declined the job.
IMO. Saying it is an unsafe work environment and needs xyz to be safe would be a useful approach,
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Post by basketdiva on Aug 14, 2019 15:47:34 GMT
That is tough...perhaps tell the customer that your schedule is booked and then recommend to them another company. I know you don't normally send a client to a competitor but perhaps at least if you recommend someone else, he will be appreciative. I wouldn't recommend a competitor-just not fair to them. And word will get out about you doing this.
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Post by nlwilkins on Aug 14, 2019 16:04:46 GMT
We are unable to work on your system until our safety concerns are addressed.
Then when they ask what that means list a few such as a clear path to the system, air quality, trash and dust and so on. take a few pics so you have proof. If they leave a bad review you can respond with a picture two and your concerns about safety.
I assume the situation is discovered during the estimate. At that time the person doing the estimate can point out the safety issues, stressing the safety aspect. Of course they are going to argue that it is safe because they live there and are not affected. Though, a person living in such conditions cannot be oblivious to the situation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 16:15:15 GMT
Due to safety issues, we are unable to provide service to your location at this time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 16:16:15 GMT
You call the city and find out where to report this person. He needs help.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Aug 14, 2019 16:18:35 GMT
FYI, if their house is that hoarded, nothing you say, doesn't matter the tone or how tactfully it is said, is going to resonate with them. Tell them the truth and let them deal with it. I know that sounds harsh but if they can't see there is a problem then anything anyone else tells them will just be met with a "I don't understand why they are saying this, my house is fine."
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Post by mayceesgranny on Aug 14, 2019 17:26:09 GMT
Due to safety issues, we are unable to provide service to your location at this time. I agree this would be a reasonable statement to make - very well put!
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Post by MichyM on Aug 14, 2019 17:51:34 GMT
“It is our professional opinion that it is unsafe for our technicians to service this house. Their health and safety is a top priority for our company. Therefore we no longer are able to provide service to this address.” Rinse and repeat.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Aug 14, 2019 20:47:20 GMT
I would tell(or send email/letter) the homeowner:
Dear Sir or Ma'am, We appreciate your interest in our company. Our company policy is to ensure that our employees are dispatched to safe, clean working environments. At this time, your home to does not meet those standards, so we will be unable to provide our services to you. Best regards, Name of company here.
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Post by RosieKat on Aug 14, 2019 21:02:16 GMT
On the bright side, this thread makes me happy that when we have repair people come to the house and it's got some piles of laundry waiting to be folded and some breakfast dishes still on the counter, it's likely not the worst they've seen.
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Post by danalz on Aug 14, 2019 21:18:15 GMT
I'm a social worker that does home visits. I wish my company would say that a home is too filthy or unsafe to go into. I've been in awful, nasty homes. I go home and shower afterwards and then contact public health. I don't mince words with clients. I tell them it's a health and safety risk to be in the home.
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Post by librarylady on Aug 14, 2019 22:36:50 GMT
Perhaps a call to the fire department to have them inspect because your repair man could not get to the furnace.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 14, 2019 22:40:51 GMT
On the bright side, this thread makes me happy that when we have repair people come to the house and it's got some piles of laundry waiting to be folded and some breakfast dishes still on the counter, it's likely not the worst they've seen. I think you’re good! DH has told me some real horror stories about houses he’s worked in, and a few dishes in the sink and some laundry waiting to be folded wouldn’t even register a one on his scale of zero to nasty!
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Post by Rhondito on Aug 14, 2019 23:30:15 GMT
"We can't work in your home in its current condition." I don't know - that's a tough one. There are some things that just aren't worth any amount you could charge... Keep us updated though!
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Post by mustlovecats on Aug 15, 2019 0:52:56 GMT
We are unable to work on your system until our safety concerns are addressed. Then when they ask what that means list a few such as a clear path to the system, air quality, trash and dust and so on. take a few pics so you have proof. If they leave a bad review you can respond with a picture two and your concerns about safety. If I was looking at reviews and saw that a business had posted pictures of a potential client’s home in response to a bad review, I would run so far and so fast from that business... what bad form that would be. I was recently looking for window replacement and one local firm got into “discussion” with dissatisfied clients on yelp trying to prove the client wrong and save face and it really left a bad impression to me. I felt it was a very unprofessional interaction with clients and I was very unimpressed. This would be the same for me.
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Post by chaosisapony on Aug 15, 2019 1:14:10 GMT
“It is our professional opinion that it is unsafe for our technicians to service this house. Their health and safety is a top priority for our company. Therefore we no longer are able to provide service to this address.” Rinse and repeat. This is what I would go with. If their hoard is that bad, they are aware of the problem. Yes, they will be offended. But what can you do, really?
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