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Post by refugeepea on Aug 19, 2019 12:21:52 GMT
Having a court date for an unrelated charges DOES mean something has happened in the past that is sticking hard enough to be taken to court. My son took responsibility for what happened (court case). He went to the police, not knowing if the other person did or was going to. ********Now they are lying about additional things.********** It was one very stupid incident.
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Post by refugeepea on Aug 19, 2019 12:34:52 GMT
That's a big misconception about the justice system. The police only have to have probable cause to make an arrest. "Proof" comes into play later, when the district attorney, prosecutor, and jury come into play. So why wasn't he arrested? Court date or not, attempting to enter someone's home?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 12:36:03 GMT
Having a court date for an unrelated charges DOES mean something has happened in the past that is sticking hard enough to be taken to court. My son took responsibility for what happened (court case). He went to the police, not knowing if the other person did or was going to. ********Now they are lying about additional things.********** It was one very stupid incident. To YOU they seem to be lying. They aren't. They are investigating possible suspects. Like it or not, your son seems to have been involved with that place before and looks similar to the guy in the video. It is their job to investigate. Your son is learning there is no such thing as foolish criminal behavior. It puts you on the list as a suspect for similar foolish criminal behavior.
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Post by refugeepea on Aug 19, 2019 12:38:11 GMT
To YOU they seem to be lying. They aren't. They are investigating possible suspects. Like it or not, your son seems to have been involved with that place before and looks similar to the guy in the video. It is their job to investigate. Your son is learning there is no such thing as foolish criminal behavior. It puts you on the list as a suspect for similar foolish criminal behavior. I meant the accusers are lying not the police.
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Post by refugeepea on Aug 19, 2019 12:38:46 GMT
Your son is learning there is no such thing as foolish criminal behavior. It puts you on the list as a suspect for similar foolish criminal behavior. No shit, he's not a moron.
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Post by mom on Aug 19, 2019 12:40:00 GMT
I just want to give you a hug. Its hard when our kids are making life harder for everyone because of their choices.
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Post by christine58 on Aug 19, 2019 12:41:44 GMT
refugeepea Get a public defender...ask for one. It sounds like he needs one for today and this issue.
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Post by mom on Aug 19, 2019 12:45:18 GMT
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Post by momto4kiddos on Aug 19, 2019 12:45:43 GMT
The cops really came banging on your door just because your kid was supposedly somewhere he shouldn't be? Was there a theft at "where he shouldn't be"? vandalism, assault, any other crime (other than maybe trespass)? How old is your son? Trespass. He supposedly opened their front door and the alarm went off. The cop said "your son wasn't aware they put in a new system." No shit, because he was NOT there. I know this is just a message board and you can't really know anyone, but I have no issue with my son doing time in jail for what he has actually done and I am telling the truth. So does this new incident have something to do with what he's going to court for? It seems odd that they cop said "your son wasn't aware they put in a new system." I'm getting the feeling the two things are related and that is kind of scary! I'd definitely consult a lawyer, you don't need any more trouble, especially if he isn't involved in it!
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Post by refugeepea on Aug 19, 2019 12:48:11 GMT
So does this new incident have something to do with what he's going to court for? Yes
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Post by mom on Aug 19, 2019 12:50:49 GMT
I would think the officer would be able to get finger prints if he (whoever) opened the screen door. Did he mention anything about having prints or about prints being taken?
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Post by kibblesandbits on Aug 19, 2019 12:51:38 GMT
I just want to give you a hug. Its hard when our kids are making life harder for everyone because of their choices. Here's another one. Boys can be boneheads. I'm sorry you're having such a shitty Monday.
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Post by refugeepea on Aug 19, 2019 12:56:35 GMT
I would think the officer would be able to get finger prints if he (whoever) opened the screen door. Did he mention anything about having prints or about prints being taken? No. I was so frustrated because he kept talking and talking. When I did interrupt, he said wait a minute, I'm going through the interview process. Let me finish. He said kids this age can be sneaky and hinted that my son could have dropped down from his bedroom window. He injured both of his ankles in the fall of last year and he's not fully healed. I wish it had been a cop we know that lives in our neighborhood.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Aug 19, 2019 13:07:46 GMT
Lawyer up. NOW! They may just be “shaking the tree” to see if a confession falls out, or information that points them to another suspect. The fact that he really doesn’t look like the person in the videos, and that they didn’t arrest him, may mean they don’t really think it was him after seeing him.
Whatever you do, do not let him speak to an officer, and he definitely needs to keep his mouth shut if “friends” ask him about anything related to this or the other incident.
Print cards with the attorney’s name and number, and have your son carry them. If they attempt to question him again, he should say “ I am invoking my right to remain silent. If you wish to speak to me further, please call my attorney,” and then hand them the card. You can even print that on the card.
I don’t know how old your son is, but he needs to be coached about how to handle this if he really does have someone who is out to get him.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Aug 19, 2019 13:15:03 GMT
Do not let certain people on this board rattle you. They just like to get a rise out of people, over and over.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 19, 2019 13:20:54 GMT
I’ll add my ‘get a lawyer’ to the pile you already have. SAY NOTHING. Make sure he says nothing. Do not let them bring him in for questioning without a lawyer (and also you, if he’s under 18). If the police have a theory they want to push through (regardless of whether it’s the truth), they’re going to try to get the person they’re accusing under pressure so they will say something or do something that could look incriminating and then the cops will use that as “proof” that the person is guilty. It’s not your job to prove he’s innocent, it’s their job to prove he’s guilty.
Someone I know who was very naive about these kinds of things was accused of something they didn’t do. Because the person wasn’t guilty they felt like it wouldn’t be a big deal to go in for questioning (without a lawyer, because you shouldn’t need one if you’re not guilty, right?) because they had nothing to hide. The police twisted and turned everything that was said in the interview until it looked like the person was squirming and guilty. Long story short, it really didn’t end well for the person I know.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Aug 19, 2019 13:26:28 GMT
I don't have any experience with this, but the advice to get a lawyer involved seems very wise. Meantime, I'm just sending you some support because this sounds like a hard thing to go through.
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Post by pierkiss on Aug 19, 2019 13:35:26 GMT
You need a lawyer. That persons job is to defend your son. It is not your job to defend your son to the police. Don’t talk to them anymore without a lawyer.
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Post by gritzi on Aug 19, 2019 13:37:45 GMT
Fishing & accusing doesn't equate guilt. Proof needs to be 1001% . I would be hiring an attorney & no longer speaking with investigators without legal representation.
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Post by garcia5050 on Aug 19, 2019 13:42:07 GMT
How about something with his cell phone, if he has one, corroborating your account that he was home? Good luck, I hope you can sort this out. there is a cell phone history that most people don’t turn off. It does show a history of where you’ve been. My husband showed me how to find mine. But I forgot. It had YEARS of history of places where I have been.
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Post by christine58 on Aug 19, 2019 13:44:07 GMT
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Post by pierkiss on Aug 19, 2019 13:44:56 GMT
So does this new incident have something to do with what he's going to court for? Yes If the two are related then that is why the police came to your house and why they think he is a suspect. I would absolutely expect police officers investigating a crime to immediately look at any other related incidents from the past first, in order to find the most likely suspects. Even if the incidents are remotely related. I am so sorry that you are dealing with this. It has to be incredibly frustrating and scary. Please find a lawyer ASAP.
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Post by refugeepea on Aug 19, 2019 13:53:14 GMT
If the two are related then that is why the police came to your house and why they think he is a suspect. I would absolutely expect police officers investigating a crime to immediately look at any other related incidents from the past first, in order to find the most likely suspects. Even if the incidents are remotely related. I understand why they came, it's proving that he was at home. Yes, we will get a lawyer.
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Post by hdoublej on Aug 19, 2019 14:40:51 GMT
How about something with his cell phone, if he has one, corroborating your account that he was home? Good luck, I hope you can sort this out. there is a cell phone history that most people don’t turn off. It does show a history of where you’ve been. My husband showed me how to find mine. But I forgot. It had YEARS of history of places where I have been. This is what I was thinking too. His phone should be able to pinpoint where he was and when, even if it just shows where his text messages were sent from. If he has snap chat and has the map turned on, would it show history? I'm not sure how that works. I'm so sorry you are going through this.
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Post by elaine on Aug 19, 2019 14:50:17 GMT
If he was home asleep, I.e. not using his phone for social purposes (texting, IMing, Snapchat, etc.), then that his phone was at home proves little. Any prosecuting lawyer/LEO could easily say that he just left his phone at home so that he couldn’t be traced. It would only be positive evidence if he was actively using it at home during the time the trespassing happened.
This is why the OP needs a lawyer, ASAP.
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Post by schizo319 on Aug 19, 2019 15:06:24 GMT
How about something with his cell phone, if he has one, corroborating your account that he was home? Good luck, I hope you can sort this out. there is a cell phone history that most people don’t turn off. It does show a history of where you’ve been. My husband showed me how to find mine. But I forgot. It had YEARS of history of places where I have been. That was my first thought too, but cell phone history isn't going to prove anything except that the phone was at home during the incident (unless he was actively using said phone at the time of the crime and even then, I don't know that anyone can prove that he was using it and not someone else). He'd have to have basically recorded himself sleeping in order for a phone to exonerate him...
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Post by Prenticekid on Aug 19, 2019 15:25:08 GMT
They don't have to "prove" anything to arrest him. That's a big misconception about the justice system. The police only have to have probable cause to make an arrest. "Proof" comes into play later, when the district attorney, prosecutor, and jury come into play. Which is why you need an attorney now, and a contingency plan to post bail/bond if an arrest is made. Thank you!
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Post by psoccer on Aug 19, 2019 15:43:31 GMT
I concur with the "get a lawyer and don't talk" We went through something similar with my oldest son. After we got a lawyer, because he did do something stupid, one of the first things the lawyer said was if he ever does something stupid like this and the police come to our house to not talk with them, but to get a lawyer first. He said it is not uncommon for the police to come over and accuse because they are hoping to get a confession. I think someone referred to it as "fishing" I am so sorry that you are going through this. It will get better and I will be keeping you in my thoughts for a happy and stress free day today. I hope all goes well, really.
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Post by Rhondito on Aug 19, 2019 15:48:55 GMT
How old is your son?
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Post by stormycat on Aug 19, 2019 16:04:08 GMT
He was home. You are his alibi. I think they need a little more proof than "this person looks like him". How did they come to the assumption that it was him? They showed us footage and he said, I could arrest him tonight with what I have. It was a place he should not be and to the policeman, he thought it looked like him. My son has something he has to go to court for tomorrow, so they said they would not arrest him. They are giving this information to the prosecutor. He thought my son was lying and we were lying. The other guy with him didn't say much at all. It's embarrassing even typing this out about my son going to court for one incredibly stupid thing. The people making the accusation are trying to make it much worse for him. He was NOT there. If they really think he is involved, they will arrest him at court today. I deal a lot with Family court but when they want to arrest someone they will do it no matter where it is. The courthouse is easy, he was screened through security, so they don’t have to worry about weapons . There are also officers there if they think it’s going to be a problem. They probably talked with the prosecutor this morning about additional charges and they will mention pending charges at his case today. It’s probably not going to be the outcome you want. I’m sorry you are going through this.
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