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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 27, 2019 18:52:01 GMT
“This is a new low for Trump. The administration is now literally deporting kids with cancer.” The Trump administration has reportedly ended a program which allowed immigrants with serious illnesses to temporarily remain in the U.S., a move by the White House that rights advocates decried as “a death sentence” for children receiving treatment for cancer, HIV, and other life-threatening diseases.
“Many of the people affected by the policy change came to the U.S. through a visa or other permitted status and are requesting to stay beyond those terms to receive medical treatment,” WBUR reported Monday. Immigrants living and receiving medical care in Massachusetts learned of the Trump administration’s policy change when they received letters from U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services earlier this month warning them they will be deported if they don’t leave the country in 33 days. **
UPDATE:
Rachel Maddow is discussing this right now..... These family have had the Medical Deferment until they received the letters last week WITHOUT notice!
UPDATE:09/02/2019 (CNN)US Citizenship and Immigration Services announced Monday that it will re-open some pending cases of those applying for relief from deportation after a move to end deferment requests prompted concerns among undocumented families, some of whom are seeking relief for medical issues.
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On Monday, the agency appeared to slightly reverse course, saying that it would "reopen non-military deferred action cases that were pending on August 7."
When asked about the change, a USCIS official said the agency "is taking immediate corrective action to reopen previously pending cases."
USCIS previously said that it would defer to ICE to determine if nonmilitary issues "warrant deferred action," according to a spokesperson. But USCIS and ICE procedures are not identical.
Individuals can apply to ICE for a "stay of deportation or removal," but that's done only after someone has exhausted all immigration judicial proceedings and has been ordered removed, according to an ICE official. USCIS is the agency responsible for legal immigration benefits, including work authorization. ** . Trouble is that once a family has been ordered removed, ICE can pick them up and deport with no other action, no reprieve, no appeal, just gone!
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Post by lucyg on Aug 27, 2019 19:23:14 GMT
There is no bottom. We truly will be doomed if we don’t vote him OUT next year.
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Post by kmcginn on Aug 27, 2019 19:28:07 GMT
Another "Pro-Life" policy!
That's why I say the GOP is pro-birth, NOT pro-life!
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Post by birdgate on Aug 27, 2019 19:58:00 GMT
But Jesus said, "Illegal is illegal!"
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Post by kmcginn on Aug 27, 2019 20:23:36 GMT
If they have a visa they aren't illegal.
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Post by Skellinton on Aug 27, 2019 20:31:58 GMT
There is nothing more to be said, is there? When he goes low, he just ends up going lower. I am so disgusted with him and the ignorant, despicable, disgusting people who support him- mostly the ones in office. I am over the supposed checks and balances, I want anyone who is still supporting the Orange Menace out of office. They should all be ashamed, but I guess when you have no soul or conscience you have no shame either.
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Post by happymomma on Aug 27, 2019 20:37:16 GMT
Are they only denying the stay of children with these illnesses or healthy ones too?
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Post by Country Ham on Aug 27, 2019 20:49:39 GMT
If they have a visa they aren't illegal.
“Many of the people affected by the policy change came to the U.S. through a visa or other permitted status and are requesting to stay beyond those terms to receive medical treatment,” WBUR reported Monday. It sounds like situations where visas would expire. |
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Post by lucyg on Aug 27, 2019 21:03:08 GMT
If they have a visa they aren't illegal.
“Many of the people affected by the policy change came to the U.S. through a visa or other permitted status and are requesting to stay beyond those terms to receive medical treatment,” WBUR reported Monday. It sounds like situations where visas would expire. We used to have a heart in this country. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 27, 2019 23:53:27 GMT
However they were here legally and have REQUESTED to stay for medical treatment for their kids... They may very well be in an overstayed situation, thinking the government may have had the paper work and were slow to respond. Or the persons were busy worrying about their kids and missed the date for writing the letter to request to stay!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 28, 2019 0:10:38 GMT
Are they only denying the stay of children with these illnesses or healthy ones too? I read it to mean those in treatment...... |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 28, 2019 1:40:45 GMT
UPDATE:
Rachel Maddow is discussing this right now..... These family have had the Medical Deferment until they received the letters last week WITHOUT notice!
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Post by nlwilkins on Aug 28, 2019 7:18:24 GMT
They were not illegal, they did all they were supposed to do to stay here for treatment of their children. But all of a sudden their stay for that reason was terminated. I don't agree with this at all.
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My question is this. Are we supposed to be the treatment center of choice for any and all people who do not have such facilities at home? Who is paying for this. Would it not be cheaper to set up the right kind of facilities in the home countries of those needing it? One teen, a 16 year old was saying there was not Cystic Fibrosis treatment available to him at home. I looked up what the treatment for CF is and found it is medicine, techniques and devices and diet help. Could not doctors in his home country be trained to do that?
How many medical treatment centers did they pass on their way to the US? It was not clear to me whether the children were sick before they came here or became sick after arrival. Of course those who became sick after arrival should seek treatment here. What choice do they have. But should they not make plans for treatment closer to home when possible? Well, again we run into the cost of doing so. If they stay here, chances are the treatment is free but probably would not be at places closer to home. We could help with that at the source of the problem, but we aren't.
Again, the US becomes the caretaker of the world with the price tag that goes along with it. It is just a drop in the bucket of all our other expenditures, but we are doing without necessary things now such as safe roads, bridges and train tunnels, housing the homeless (with treatment for them as well) and the list goes on. This is what the current president is counting on, I hear it from my friends. They are not wanting to pay for treatment, food and housing for migrants when we have trouble taking care of our own.
Looking at it from both sides show that there is indeed an issue that needs to be addressed. But, the answer is not to cut off the children caught up in this mess. They need to come up with solutions that affect the migrants coming in. Let them in, let them work, let them pay for health insurance and retirement. In other words, let them be able to pay their own way instead of having to operate under the radar and hide their status.
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Post by lesley on Aug 28, 2019 7:38:41 GMT
They were not illegal, they did all they were supposed to do to stay here for treatment of their children. But all of a sudden their stay for that reason was terminated. I don't agree with this at all. But My question is this. Are we supposed to be the treatment center of choice for any and all people who do not have such facilities at home? Who is paying for this. Would it not be cheaper to set up the right kind of facilities in the home countries of those needing it? One teen, a 16 year old was saying there was not Cystic Fibrosis treatment available to him at home. I looked up what the treatment for CF is and found it is medicine, techniques and devices and diet help. Could not doctors in his home country be trained to do that? How many medical treatment centers did they pass on their way to the US? It was not clear to me whether the children were sick before they came here or became sick after arrival. Of course those who became sick after arrival should seek treatment here. What choice do they have. But should they not make plans for treatment closer to home when possible? Well, again we run into the cost of doing so. If they stay here, chances are the treatment is free but probably would not be at places closer to home. We could help with that at the source of the problem, but we aren't. Again, the US becomes the caretaker of the world with the price tag that goes along with it. It is just a drop in the bucket of all our other expenditures, but we are doing without necessary things now such as safe roads, bridges and train tunnels, housing the homeless (with treatment for them as well) and the list goes on. This is what the current president is counting on, I hear it from my friends. They are not wanting to pay for treatment, food and housing for migrants when we have trouble taking care of our own. Looking at it from both sides show that there is indeed an issue that needs to be addressed. But, the answer is not to cut off the children caught up in this mess. They need to come up with solutions that affect the migrants coming in. Let them in, let them work, let them pay for health insurance and retirement. In other words, let them be able to pay their own way instead of having to operate under the radar and hide their status. Do you and your friends really think that food and medical treatment for immigrants, illegal or otherwise, is why you don’t have safe infrastructure or provision for the homeless? Really? |
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Post by gar on Aug 28, 2019 7:49:20 GMT
Could not doctors in his home country be trained to do that? If they could afford the training, sure. Again, the US becomes the caretaker of the world You realise that most civilised countries have those from poorer countries gaining entry for medical help but are we talking here about people who came before illness to seek asylum, or coming just to get medical treatment... |
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Post by Merge on Aug 28, 2019 10:36:30 GMT
They were not illegal, they did all they were supposed to do to stay here for treatment of their children. But all of a sudden their stay for that reason was terminated. I don't agree with this at all. But My question is this. Are we supposed to be the treatment center of choice for any and all people who do not have such facilities at home? Who is paying for this. Would it not be cheaper to set up the right kind of facilities in the home countries of those needing it? One teen, a 16 year old was saying there was not Cystic Fibrosis treatment available to him at home. I looked up what the treatment for CF is and found it is medicine, techniques and devices and diet help. Could not doctors in his home country be trained to do that? How many medical treatment centers did they pass on their way to the US? It was not clear to me whether the children were sick before they came here or became sick after arrival. Of course those who became sick after arrival should seek treatment here. What choice do they have. But should they not make plans for treatment closer to home when possible? Well, again we run into the cost of doing so. If they stay here, chances are the treatment is free but probably would not be at places closer to home. We could help with that at the source of the problem, but we aren't. Again, the US becomes the caretaker of the world with the price tag that goes along with it. It is just a drop in the bucket of all our other expenditures, but we are doing without necessary things now such as safe roads, bridges and train tunnels, housing the homeless (with treatment for them as well) and the list goes on. This is what the current president is counting on, I hear it from my friends. They are not wanting to pay for treatment, food and housing for migrants when we have trouble taking care of our own. Looking at it from both sides show that there is indeed an issue that needs to be addressed. But, the answer is not to cut off the children caught up in this mess. They need to come up with solutions that affect the migrants coming in. Let them in, let them work, let them pay for health insurance and retirement. In other words, let them be able to pay their own way instead of having to operate under the radar and hide their status. CF is a chronic, incurable, invariably fatal disease that doesn’t have any one treatment, but rather is treated according to the specific symptoms of the patient and the particular genetic mutation they have. The complications that arise in CF patients are many and varied, and treatment doesn’t follow a prescribed path. There are also brand new treatments being developed in the US right now that can mean turning the disease into a chronic, manageable one that allows for a full life. So the answer to that is not as pat as you might think. (Three of my sister’s kids have CF, and their treatments have all been different. They also have to drive to the nearest city to attend a CF clinic for their care - this is not a disease that is best treated by your local GP.) But yes, let the immigrants in and let them work and contribute. There we totally agree. That’s literally all most are asking for. My ancestors came here to escape the Irish potato famine on one side and poverty and lack of opportunity in the Scottish highlands in the other side. They were poor and came to work. I don’t see any reason why today’s immigrants from south of the border shouldn’t be given the same opportunity. |
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Post by hannahruth on Aug 28, 2019 11:58:49 GMT
I'm sure his mother would.be.proud. NOT.
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Post by pyccku on Aug 28, 2019 12:07:50 GMT
I'm sure his mother would.be.proud. NOT. Of course she would. That whole family is rotten to the core. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 28, 2019 15:08:35 GMT
I'm sure his mother would.be.proud. NOT. Of course she would. That whole family is rotten to the core. Without a doubt. One of the stations brought up his sister, the not* so honorable person former federal judge who retired to avoid an investigation into her finances and inheritance!
*I say not so honorable because of why she retired, and that involved the family inheritance and how that was done, possibly illegally... she was considered a good judge.
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Post by hop2 on Aug 28, 2019 18:04:00 GMT
Could not doctors in his home country be trained to do that? If they could afford the training, sure. Again, the US becomes the caretaker of the world You realise that most civilised countries have those from poorer countries gaining entry for medical help but are we talking here about people who came before illness to seek asylum, or coming just to get medical treatment... Actually, a portion of those people came here, legally, for various reasons, discovered their illness & need to extend/change/defer their visa for Treatment. For example a student here on a student visa becomes ill, due to treatment must temporarily withdraw from school, must apply for a medical deferment before they are suddenly here ‘illegally’. Once you withdraw from school you have an extremely short period of time before your visa is no longer good. You must apply for a change, to continue to be here legally. Most people who have these started out here legally but not can’t comply with the restrictions of their type of visa & apply to change status or defer.Yes, some people do go home to be treated, providing they are well enough to do so. Others can’t. Aren’t well enough to travel, can’t afford it, treatment not available etc. These have been granted in the past, it seems like those are being arbitrarily reversed? Not enough details, but it’s really a shithole thing to do to people fighting an illness. |
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Post by lucyg on Aug 28, 2019 19:38:12 GMT
They were not illegal, they did all they were supposed to do to stay here for treatment of their children. But all of a sudden their stay for that reason was terminated. I don't agree with this at all. But My question is this. Are we supposed to be the treatment center of choice for any and all people who do not have such facilities at home? Who is paying for this. Would it not be cheaper to set up the right kind of facilities in the home countries of those needing it? One teen, a 16 year old was saying there was not Cystic Fibrosis treatment available to him at home. I looked up what the treatment for CF is and found it is medicine, techniques and devices and diet help. Could not doctors in his home country be trained to do that? How many medical treatment centers did they pass on their way to the US? It was not clear to me whether the children were sick before they came here or became sick after arrival. Of course those who became sick after arrival should seek treatment here. What choice do they have. But should they not make plans for treatment closer to home when possible? Well, again we run into the cost of doing so. If they stay here, chances are the treatment is free but probably would not be at places closer to home. We could help with that at the source of the problem, but we aren't. Again, the US becomes the caretaker of the world with the price tag that goes along with it. It is just a drop in the bucket of all our other expenditures, but we are doing without necessary things now such as safe roads, bridges and train tunnels, housing the homeless (with treatment for them as well) and the list goes on. This is what the current president is counting on, I hear it from my friends. They are not wanting to pay for treatment, food and housing for migrants when we have trouble taking care of our own. Looking at it from both sides show that there is indeed an issue that needs to be addressed. But, the answer is not to cut off the children caught up in this mess. They need to come up with solutions that affect the migrants coming in. Let them in, let them work, let them pay for health insurance and retirement. In other words, let them be able to pay their own way instead of having to operate under the radar and hide their status. I believe all first-world nations open their doors to ill people from impoverished countries for more advanced medical treatment. It’s just what civilized people do. Also, we don’t know that these people aren’t paying their own way, do we? I haven’t read all the details yet. But being here on a visa isn’t necessarily evidence of mooching off the American taxpayers. |
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Post by nlwilkins on Aug 28, 2019 20:53:24 GMT
They were not illegal, they did all they were supposed to do to stay here for treatment of their children. But all of a sudden their stay for that reason was terminated. I don't agree with this at all. But My question is this. Are we supposed to be the treatment center of choice for any and all people who do not have such facilities at home? Who is paying for this. Would it not be cheaper to set up the right kind of facilities in the home countries of those needing it? One teen, a 16 year old was saying there was not Cystic Fibrosis treatment available to him at home. I looked up what the treatment for CF is and found it is medicine, techniques and devices and diet help. Could not doctors in his home country be trained to do that? How many medical treatment centers did they pass on their way to the US? It was not clear to me whether the children were sick before they came here or became sick after arrival. Of course those who became sick after arrival should seek treatment here. What choice do they have. But should they not make plans for treatment closer to home when possible? Well, again we run into the cost of doing so. If they stay here, chances are the treatment is free but probably would not be at places closer to home. We could help with that at the source of the problem, but we aren't. Again, the US becomes the caretaker of the world with the price tag that goes along with it. It is just a drop in the bucket of all our other expenditures, but we are doing without necessary things now such as safe roads, bridges and train tunnels, housing the homeless (with treatment for them as well) and the list goes on. This is what the current president is counting on, I hear it from my friends. They are not wanting to pay for treatment, food and housing for migrants when we have trouble taking care of our own. Looking at it from both sides show that there is indeed an issue that needs to be addressed. But, the answer is not to cut off the children caught up in this mess. They need to come up with solutions that affect the migrants coming in. Let them in, let them work, let them pay for health insurance and retirement. In other words, let them be able to pay their own way instead of having to operate under the radar and hide their status. Do you and your friends really think that food and medical treatment for immigrants, illegal or otherwise, is why you don’t have safe infrastructure or provision for the homeless? Really? No, I do not think that, but have friends who do and there are Trump supporters who do believe that and so it is used to gain their support. As I see it, the issue is much more complicated than that when dealing with all those things. Just like the issue of migrant health support is much more complicated than what is being portrayed.
As my first paragraph states, I do not support kicking out the people here legally or illegally who are here for medical reasons. But we need to review how their issues are being treated and perhaps work on getting their medical system improved in their countries. For me that would be a better use of our money.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 28, 2019 21:21:30 GMT
But we need to review how their issues are being treated and perhaps work on getting their medical system improved in their countries. For me that would be a better use of our money. You are 100% correct but that will not happen anytime soon.. Foreign aid is being CUT and his wall is far too important then to help sick kids! |
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Post by lucyg on Aug 28, 2019 22:18:13 GMT
No, I do not think that, but have friends who do and there are Trump supporters who do believe that and so it is used to gain their support. As I see it, the issue is much more complicated than that when dealing with all those things. Just like the issue of migrant health support is much more complicated than what is being portrayed.
As my first paragraph states, I do not support kicking out the people here legally or illegally who are here for medical reasons. But we need to review how their issues are being treated and perhaps work on getting their medical system improved in their countries. For me that would be a better use of our money.
Great plan, but how is it going to be cheaper to build medical facilities in every country, train professionals in all specialties and staff those facilities with them? That's insane. It would be centuries before that initial cost were offset by the benefit of not having anyone coming here for treatment. If there is one common denominator for trump supporters, it is that they are all looking for someone to blame for the condition of their lives. It just has to be someone else's fault. We could change everything they complain about and they would just find someone new to blame. Eventually they will even turn on their own. I don’t think nlwilkins is a Trump supporter. |
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Post by marimoose on Aug 29, 2019 2:13:53 GMT
They were not illegal, they did all they were supposed to do to stay here for treatment of their children. But all of a sudden their stay for that reason was terminated. I don't agree with this at all. But My question is this. Are we supposed to be the treatment center of choice for any and all people who do not have such facilities at home? Who is paying for this. Would it not be cheaper to set up the right kind of facilities in the home countries of those needing it? One teen, a 16 year old was saying there was not Cystic Fibrosis treatment available to him at home. I looked up what the treatment for CF is and found it is medicine, techniques and devices and diet help. Could not doctors in his home country be trained to do that? How many medical treatment centers did they pass on their way to the US? It was not clear to me whether the children were sick before they came here or became sick after arrival. Of course those who became sick after arrival should seek treatment here. What choice do they have. But should they not make plans for treatment closer to home when possible? Well, again we run into the cost of doing so. If they stay here, chances are the treatment is free but probably would not be at places closer to home. We could help with that at the source of the problem, but we aren't. Again, the US becomes the caretaker of the world with the price tag that goes along with it. It is just a drop in the bucket of all our other expenditures, but we are doing without necessary things now such as safe roads, bridges and train tunnels, housing the homeless (with treatment for them as well) and the list goes on. This is what the current president is counting on, I hear it from my friends. They are not wanting to pay for treatment, food and housing for migrants when we have trouble taking care of our own. Looking at it from both sides show that there is indeed an issue that needs to be addressed. But, the answer is not to cut off the children caught up in this mess. They need to come up with solutions that affect the migrants coming in. Let them in, let them work, let them pay for health insurance and retirement. In other words, let them be able to pay their own way instead of having to operate under the radar and hide their status. I believe all first-world nations open their doors to ill people from impoverished countries for more advanced medical treatment. It’s just what civilized people do. Also, we don’t know that these people aren’t paying their own way, do we? I haven’t read all the details yet. But being here on a visa isn’t necessarily evidence of mooching off the American taxpayers. My thoughts exactly!  . It is am embarrassing time to be an American with the way our country is being run. Totally shameful. We are ALL human at the end of the day, no matter our country, color, religion, sexuality, etc... |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 29, 2019 19:14:52 GMT
Thanks for sharing Isabel's story!! How does this make America great? Nothing he does makes America great! |
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Post by melissa on Aug 29, 2019 20:07:40 GMT
This is horrendous. There are children and families that have been here for years, often to get treatment for rare diseases only offered at one place on the entire planet. These are children that will die without the treatments. No question. People who have been here completely legally and, until now, have been here on 100% legal terms. People who have been paying taxes, working, etc all while getting treatment for their children. I know of a family that is from Guatemala. Their daughter has a rare disease. She is alive as a young teen with a disease where most don't see age 5. She is only alive and functional because of the treatment. Without it, the disease will progress and she will die. That's it. End of story.
Whoever made this decision is a murderer. They are killing children.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 29, 2019 20:18:00 GMT
This is horrendous. There are children and families that have been here for years, often to get treatment for rare diseases only offered at one place on the entire planet. These are children that will die without the treatments. No question. People who have been here completely legally and, until now, have been here on 100% legal terms. People who have been paying taxes, working, etc all while getting treatment for their children. I know of a family that is from Guatemala. Their daughter has a rare disease. She is alive as a young teen with a disease where most don't see age 5. She is only alive and functional because of the treatment. Without it, the disease will progress and she will die. That's it. End of story. Whoever made this decision is a murderer. They are killing children.  |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 29, 2019 22:50:58 GMT
Whoever made this decision is a murderer. They are killing children. Yes, trump, Stephen Miller, Ken Cuccinelli, the party of family values and of course pro-life, NOT. They are pro-birth... let babies and kids die after! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 30, 2019 21:01:25 GMT
I've known the answer to why for a while I just keep forgetting............
These kids are easy to find!
ICE has all their info on the applications voluntarily filled out! DACA 'kids' may be next! As are the witnesses/victims of crimes that are not getting their U Visas! As are the hard working immigrants in factories!
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