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Post by librarylady on Sept 6, 2019 22:28:50 GMT
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Post by milocat on Sept 6, 2019 23:25:35 GMT
Is everything in the dollar store still only a dollar in the US?
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Post by seaexplore on Sept 6, 2019 23:28:14 GMT
Yep. We just got one in our community. Makes me sad.
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Post by AnotherPea on Sept 6, 2019 23:36:37 GMT
I’ve read about this before. I can see the point being made but I’m not sure that I agree with the claim fully. It seems it is saying that governments should restrict the stores’ growth because in the long run these stores aren’t good for the poor. That poor people will choose lower quality food from dollar stores instead of supporting an actual grocer with fresh food.
I have a couple of problems with that argument. First- it assumes that poor = ignorant and lazy. Second, it is expecting the government to reduce choices for those that have less to ensure that they make better choices. When anyone suggests that government should do that in other circumstances (like not allow certain foods to be purchased with food stamps) all hell breaks lose. But if the suggestion is made for the same reason, but Big Business ends up being restricted too, all is fine.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 6, 2019 23:42:23 GMT
Is everything in the dollar store still only a dollar in the US? .99 cent store only has started selling stuff way above a dollar. Even Daiso has stuff above the usual $1.50.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 6, 2019 23:58:32 GMT
I think it is Family Dollar is and up. I could be very wrong.
Not all food at $Tree is bad. They sell eggs, cheeses, cheese sticks, canned foods. NONE of the dollar stores around her sell fresh fruits and veggies that I know of... I do know in other areas they do. The local Walmart by a $Tree used to have fresh fruit, vegetables, NO more... it is NOT a Super Walmart.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 0:34:22 GMT
My problem with the dollar store? The groceries are CHEAPER at a regular store. You may only pay a dollar for a pint of milk. Seems like a good deal but when you realize there are 8 pints to a gallon then that milk is now $8 a gallon.
I feel the same way about all those little bodegas and other little grocerily stores.
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Sept 7, 2019 0:55:33 GMT
I’ve seen several pop up where the drive to a grocery store might be 20 minutes or longer. It’s a nice option in rural areas. I’m guilty of paying for convenience, even on Amazon. 🤪
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Post by scrappinghappy on Sept 7, 2019 1:23:34 GMT
One of the problems not addressed in this article is how expensive fresh fruit and vegetables can be. And most people don't know how to prep dishes well with them, not everyone obviously. There is lots of research out there that the poor eat a particularly bad diet due to the lack of availability of fresh and healthy produce.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 7, 2019 1:26:33 GMT
3. This assumes people will change their culture. I often run an errand to an inner city Aldi, while I wait to pick up our student. It is in a neighborhood full of boarded up buildings. There are also an abundance of tiny bodegas on most corners. I can sit in the parking lot and watch people walk past the Aldi, and go into the bodega for their supplies. If fresh produce, fresh meats, price, or selection mattered most, they would be turning into the Aldi- but they don't. My gut says it is just not part of their culture to do so. When you are short on dollars, at Aldi you have to buy a bag of oranges, at the bodega you can buy one orange, a roll, and maybe 3 eggs.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 7, 2019 1:48:09 GMT
Crap food is almost always cheaper than nutritious food no matter where you buy it. Just tool down the cereal aisle in the grocery store. The boxes that have the least nutrients are the cheapest. Or $2 for an entire box of 6-8 junk food cakes or $2 for 2-3 apples. Even if your have access to produce that doesn’t really solve the nutrient issue, Iceberg lettuce $1/ head vs spinach $3/bag
It’s always pissed me off
And no, i don’t think it assumes poor parents are ignorant, it assumes that they will choose for their children to feel full even if there are no nutrients available. It’s rather sad to have choose between feeling fed & actually eating nutrients. But that is often the case of the choices parents face.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 7, 2019 1:54:06 GMT
1. Often the lower income families have a lack of transportation, so they are going wherever is closest. If you limit dollar stores, they will end up buying food items at the gas station, and not at the grocery that is further away. The grocery will need to be further away for most, so that it can draw from a larger base of potential customers. 2. IF a larger grocery even decides to go into the market. Frankly, they are going where they can turn the best profit and let's face it, that will be in a more moderate income area. 3. This assumes people will change their culture. I often run an errand to an inner city Aldi, while I wait to pick up our student. It is in a neighborhood full of boarded up buildings. There are also an abundance of tiny bodegas on most corners. I can sit in the parking lot and watch people walk past the Aldi, and go into the bodega for their supplies. If fresh produce, fresh meats, price, or selection mattered most, they would be turning into the Aldi- but they don't. My gut says it is just not part of their culture to do so. That’s assuming that Aldi has decent produce, which some Aldi’s do and some don’t. By my niece in VA their Aldi has good produce. My Aldi does not. The bodega has better produce. You’d have to go in both stores to make that determination. I often work in areas where there are a lot of little ethnic groceries and they have a nice variety of produce for good prices.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 1:55:29 GMT
3. This assumes people will change their culture. I often run an errand to an inner city Aldi, while I wait to pick up our student. It is in a neighborhood full of boarded up buildings. There are also an abundance of tiny bodegas on most corners. I can sit in the parking lot and watch people walk past the Aldi, and go into the bodega for their supplies. If fresh produce, fresh meats, price, or selection mattered most, they would be turning into the Aldi- but they don't. My gut says it is just not part of their culture to do so. When you are short on dollars, at Aldi you have to buy a bag of oranges, at the bodega you can buy one orange, a roll, and maybe 3 eggs. Both of you are right in way. Bodegas are ingrained into certain cultures, and people feel safe shopping there. And they can buy the food they are familiar with. But little do they know that their dollar goes farther when they can buy a loaf of bread $1.99, instead of a bun that cost .75 cents , A bag of oranges that costs .89 cents a pound instead of .50 and a dozen eggs for a dollar. Short on dollars find a substitutes. Tortillas, canned fruit, frozen veggies. Learn how to make stuff like egg noodles , vegetable pancakes, dumplings. All of this is easy and takes very little time. Budget Shopping and meal planning needs to be taught somehow.
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Post by chaosisapony on Sept 7, 2019 1:56:32 GMT
We have a Dollar Tree and a Dollar General. They are two totally different stores, I don't understand why Dollar General always gets lumped in with other dollar stores in these types of articles.
Here, Dollar General sells all kinds of food and household items at pretty high retail prices. The allure is that they come to rural communities so you don't mind paying more because the alternative is driving 20 minutes into town. I'll happily pay $4 for a gallon of milk from Dollar General to avoid the long drive to town and back.
Dollar Tree is a dollar store where everything you buy is $1. I was there this evening buying Halloween decorations. I'm glad they had a good selection so I can actually make the outside of my house cute for trick or treaters which I wouldn't be able to afford to do otherwise.
My problem with the dollar store? The groceries are CHEAPER at a regular store. You may only pay a dollar for a pint of milk. Seems like a good deal but when you realize there are 8 pints to a gallon then that milk is now $8 a gallon. I feel the same way about all those little bodegas and other little grocerily stores. Yes, the smaller portions they sell are very expensive when you consider what a full size item at a regular grocer would cost. But, for me a relatively low income single person, sometimes I don't have $3 to spend on a gallon of milk the day before payday. But I can buy a $1 pint of milk so I can at least drink that with my breakfast before work instead of having water. So while not ideal, there have been many times in my life I have been grateful for the ability to buy smaller portions and packages of things.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 7, 2019 2:52:58 GMT
Yes, the smaller portions they sell are very expensive when you consider what a full size item at a regular grocer would cost. But, for me a relatively low income single person, sometimes I don't have $3 to spend on a gallon of milk the day before payday. But I can buy a $1 pint of milk so I can at least drink that with my breakfast before work instead of having water. So while not ideal, there have been many times in my life I have been grateful for the ability to buy smaller portions and packages of things. Some bodega will run a tab until pay day.. It is hard to walk home with a gallon of milk or even to take it on the bus with other things. Transportation issues were mentioned somewhere above.
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Post by milocat on Sept 7, 2019 3:17:51 GMT
Is everything in the dollar store still only a dollar in the US? .99 cent store only has started selling stuff way above a dollar. Even Daiso has stuff above the usual $1.50. The dollar stores I've been into in Canada go up to $10 - 15. My DD had bought a few kitchen utensils that broke after a few uses. She said for another buck or two she should have went to Walmart the first time and they'd last forever. If it was truly a dollar or two it might be worth it but everything is so flimsy there you'd replace it multiple times.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 4:00:33 GMT
One of the problems not addressed in this article is how expensive fresh fruit and vegetables can be. And most people don't know how to prep dishes well with them, not everyone obviously. There is lots of research out there that the poor eat a particularly bad diet due to the lack of availability of fresh and healthy produce. Yes as well as likely no power or gas. So there is no option to cook the food or maybe even store it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 4:03:42 GMT
When you are short on dollars, at Aldi you have to buy a bag of oranges, at the bodega you can buy one orange, a roll, and maybe 3 eggs. Both of you are right in way. Bodegas are ingrained into certain cultures, and people feel safe shopping there. And they can buy the food they are familiar with. But little do they know that their dollar goes farther when they can buy a loaf of bread $1.99, instead of a bun that cost .75 cents , A bag of oranges that costs .89 cents a pound instead of .50 and a dozen eggs for a dollar. Short on dollars find a substitutes. Tortillas, canned fruit, frozen veggies. Learn how to make stuff like egg noodles , vegetable pancakes, dumplings. All of this is easy and takes very little time. Budget Shopping and meal planning needs to be taught somehow. Yes yes yes!
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 7, 2019 4:12:51 GMT
I’ve seen several pop up where the drive to a grocery store might be 20 minutes or longer. It’s a nice option in rural areas. I’m guilty of paying for convenience, even on Amazon. 🤪 This is what happened where our cabin is. We had a grocery store in town for years until it changed ownership and the new owners couldn’t make it go. About a year after it closed and it was obvious nothing new was coming in, a Family Dollar opened up on that same stretch of road. It started out with the typical dollar store stuff, but quickly started adding more actual food options. Now within the last year they added an entire wall of refrigerated and frozen foods. While it won’t replace the actual grocery store that was there, it does fill a gap especially if you run out of something like milk, ketchup or hamburger buns. The next closest grocery store is about a 20 minute drive away by car. Family Dollar stuff isn’t all a dollar. The one by our cabin sells all the common dollar store things but also some clothing, some groceries and other household things that the other stores in town don’t sell. It’s more like an old time general store.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 4:40:48 GMT
If I ever won the lottery , I would love to start a grocery chain that had some sort of co-op garden,co-op daycare, cooking classes, kitchens to prepare food , adult classes for math and reading. Transport.
I would have no boxed food , bad canned food, no junk food , soda, and only alcohol for cooking.
It’s my store, I can do what I want.
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Post by lisae on Sept 7, 2019 11:53:59 GMT
We have a Dollar Tree and a Dollar General. They are two totally different stores, I don't understand why Dollar General always gets lumped in with other dollar stores in these types of articles. Agree. Dollar Generals are popping up everywhere. There are 6 in my county which is one of the smallest counties in the state. We only have 3 grocery stores in the entire county including Walmart. So many DG that one day I think we will find the rural countryside littered with empty buildings that used to be Dollar Generals because they are over expanding and a better option will come along. The buildings probably won't be empty, they will be converted to churches because that is what happens to all empty buildings around her eventually. But I digress... Personally, I don't like Dollar General because they are cluttered and I don't think you get a better price. I have a friend though who disagrees about the price and she loves her Dollar General because it is close by and she has mobility issues. She can get what she wants there with less walking than going to a regular grocery store. She loathes Walmart, the other most popular shopping option in our area. We have 1 Dollar Tree which sells everything for $1. I was in there a few days ago to get some drawer organizers for my craft room. I go once a month or so when I need something odd that I know will be cheaper than Walmart. I even do a gelliprinting video using items you find at the dollar store. It's been one of my most popular videos. I did think the last time I was in there that I bet people actually spend more buying small boxes of trash bags and plastic wrap for $1 rather than going to a grocery store and getting a larger box. I can see the benefit of having a store close by but the selections are limited. It seems to me if these stores capture the market in their communities, they can then raise prices on people who can least afford it.
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Post by jenjie on Sept 7, 2019 12:07:05 GMT
If I ever won the lottery , I would love to start a grocery chain that had some sort of co-op garden,co-op daycare, cooking classes, kitchens to prepare food , adult classes for math and reading. Transport. I would have no boxed food , bad canned food, no junk food , soda, and only alcohol for cooking. It’s my store, I can do what I want. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
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Post by pierkiss on Sept 7, 2019 12:30:57 GMT
There are like 6 of them/variations of them here in our tiny community. I was shocked at the number of them when we moved back here about 5 years ago. And another one just opened up last week. I am shocked they are doing that much business here.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 7, 2019 13:24:24 GMT
There are multiple issues here.
One is access, some places just have no access to food without a vehicle. People kept telling me that Paterson was a good desert but it’s not really. Sure, there’s no ‘big name’ groceries in Paterson but they have at least 5 large grocery stores and tons of small ones. Many of the smaller ones have more produce than junk food believe it or not. Paterson also has a much more extensive bus line system. Private busses not NJ transit. Our biggest areas of food desert in out state are in southern NJ which are less urban. And the urban areas Like Trenton & Camden have less chain groceries & less small groceries than the northern cities in our state. It’s weird.
Another issue is education. Some People, don’t know what they need to eat, don’t know how to prepare it nor how to store it. And some don’t know how to cook it. There’s a combination gender gap & generational gap when it comes to preparing & cooking food. I see it at work all the time. Men of a certain age were never taught to care for themselves. They end up eating $ menu food every day from a fast food place, which is high in cholesterol, carbs, & salt & low in nutrition.
The ‘foods’ class in my kids school was always the one that didn’t have enough room, but it also didn’t teach much. We can definitely do better in food education
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Post by mallie on Sept 7, 2019 15:20:41 GMT
I think much more effort needs to be expended on educating people when they are younger about basic food preparation, basic car knowledge, basic finances. Very few of us need to know algebra in real life, but we all need to understand interest rates, credit cards, bank fees, nutrition, and how to prepare a basic meal or how to read a recipe.
In my experience, most people do not know how to prepare basic or slightly beyond basic meals. Their parents did not teach them and in many cases, their parents' parents did not teach either. People are also inclined to think -- for whatever reason -- that all food has equal nutritional value. As a small example, I was trying to explain to a mother -- who has a college education -- that pickles do NOT have the same nutritional value as other fruits and vegetables. She was convinced of it because her mother had told her that when she was a kid. She also thought hot dogs four times a week was just as good as grilled chicken or beef -- "it's all meat, what's the difference?"
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Sept 7, 2019 15:42:16 GMT
One of the problems not addressed in this article is how expensive fresh fruit and vegetables can be. And most people don't know how to prep dishes well with them, not everyone obviously. There is lots of research out there that the poor eat a particularly bad diet due to the lack of availability of fresh and healthy produce. Yes as well as likely no power or gas. So there is no option to cook the food or maybe even store it Both of these ring true, but there is so much more to it. Many poor are working poor. People that have to take a bus to and from work. And have to walk from the bus stops to where they are going. They may work an 8 hour shift, but travel for two hours each way. Without a car, there are no big shopping days, of filling up a huge cart for the next two weeks. You buy a little each day, just what you can bear to carry on the way home after working hard all day. And if you do have a day off that week, And you are lucky enough to even have a grocery store within walking distance, and you are lucky enough to have a wheeled grocery cart, then you do "big shopping." This is when you can buy that heavy gallon of milk . But everything you buy has to be budgeted for not only cost but also space and not everything can be heavy because it will break the wheels on the cart and then you are stranded, and have to call your friend or older kid, or brother to come help you carry it home. Or maybe to go steal a store shopping cart for you just to get it all home. Also, time for shopping is a luxury. If a Dollar Tree is on your way home, and your kid needs some school supply, and you need cold meds, and you still need to figure out dinner, you can pick up spaghetti, sauce, shake cheese, and a can of peaches. Bam! Dinner. Many people who live in neighborhoods that dollar stores flourish in also use a SNAP card for groceries. It can be easier to justify spending a little extra money from the card when you don't have to walk another mile out of your way to save on comparable food.
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Post by Country Ham on Sept 7, 2019 17:40:20 GMT
But, for me a relatively low income single person, sometimes I don't have $3 to spend on a gallon of milk the day before payday. But I can buy a $1 pint of milk so I can at least drink that with my breakfast before work instead of having water. We end up throwing milk away almost every week because the 2 adults are low carb, one teen is health conscience in that he doesn't eat dry cereal any more then once a week, and my daughter doesn't drink milk other then in her dry cereal. So the 1 dollar pints are so much better for my family.
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 7, 2019 18:09:08 GMT
"But should you? Critics point out that dollar stores aren’t always good for communities, especially in urban centers with few retail options."
This makes sense, but where I live (rural) they have been very helpful. The grocery stores usually have competitive prices on food but not on cleaning or self care products. Occasionally you can find the same brands at Dollar Tree. I've actually been surprised by the clothing at Family Dollar. It is hit or miss, but the quality is about the same as any Walmart or Target.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 18:18:43 GMT
Yes, the smaller portions they sell are very expensive when you consider what a full size item at a regular grocer would cost. But, for me a relatively low income single person, sometimes I don't have $3 to spend on a gallon of milk the day before payday. But I can buy a $1 pint of milk so I can at least drink that with my breakfast before work instead of having water. So while not ideal, there have been many times in my life I have been grateful for the ability to buy smaller portions and packages of things. Some bodega will run a tab until pay day.. It is hard to walk home with a gallon of milk or even to take it on the bus with other things. Transportation issues were mentioned somewhere above. Running a tab is not good. My father in law is at the point that he can’t buy a whole gallon of milk because he can’t lift it. Smaller sizes in grocery stores should not mean bigger prices.
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Post by delila on Sept 7, 2019 19:16:58 GMT
A lot of lower income households live in what is called food deserts, meaning there are no grocery shops local to them. These families cannot carry all their groceries home on the bus, train, bicycle etc if they don’t have their own car. They are stuck purchasing shit food from convenience shops because that is all they have. Until we, meaning us as a society, take care of this problem then it will continue to exist.
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