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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 2, 2019 3:47:37 GMT
Found wheré I had read the partial letter to DoS from House chairs..........
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 2, 2019 14:56:47 GMT
Guilani is threatening to sure Congress and individual members who are overstepping their authority with requests...
Pompeo has admitted he was on the call with Zelensky.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 14:59:19 GMT
trump..
”Now the press is trying to sell the fact that I wanted a Moot stuffed with alligators and snakes, with an electrified fence and sharp spikes on top, at our Southern Border. I may be tough on Border Security, but not that tough. The press has gone Crazy. Fake News!”
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 15:16:11 GMT
trump.. ”Now the press is trying to sell the fact that I wanted a Moot stuffed with alligators and snakes, with an electrified fence and sharp spikes on top, at our Southern Border. I may be tough on Border Security, but not that tough. The press has gone Crazy. Fake News!” NYT: "In the Oval Office that March afternoon, a 30-minute meeting extended to more than two hours as Mr. Trump’s team tried desperately to placate him. “You are making me look like an idiot!” Mr. Trump shouted, adding in a profanity, as multiple officials in the room described it. “I ran on this. It’s my issue.”" Oh, honey. You've been doing a fine job of that your whole life. www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/us/politics/trump-border-wars.html
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 15:21:14 GMT
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 2, 2019 15:24:01 GMT
Greg Miller.. ”The attorney general is making undisclosed trips overseas asking foreign intel services to help investigate U.S. intel services. That is not normal. @devlinbarrett @shaneharris @mattzap” No it is not normal. But it is destructive. I am hoping the world stands up to Trump. God help us, but us Americans (Congress) can't seem to rein him in. Maybe disclosing some of this from a foreign perspective will help.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 2, 2019 15:53:22 GMT
trump.. ”Now the press is trying to sell the fact that I wanted a Moot stuffed with alligators and snakes, with an electrified fence and sharp spikes on top, at our Southern Border. I may be tough on Border Security, but not that tough. The press has gone Crazy. Fake News!” Not a typo!! An how did he think the alligators and snakes would stay in the MOAT? Fence them makes it easier for people to climb up his 'wall'. He is not a cruel person.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 2, 2019 15:55:17 GMT
“You are making me look like an idiot!” Mr. Trump shouted, adding in a profanity, as multiple officials in the room described it. He's too easy!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 2, 2019 15:56:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 16:03:46 GMT
From our fearless leader...
”The Do Nothing Democrats should be focused on building up our Country, not wasting everyone’s time and energy on BULLSHIT, which is what they have been doing ever since I got overwhelmingly elected in 2016, 223-306. Get a better candidate this time, you’ll need it!”
So uplifting, so inspirational..... 😀
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 2, 2019 16:10:22 GMT
From our fearless leader... ”The Do Nothing Democrats should be focused on building up our Country, not wasting everyone’s time and energy on BULLSHIT, which is what they have been doing ever since I got overwhelmingly elected in 2016, 223-306. Get a better candidate this time, you’ll need it!” So uplifting, so inspirational..... 😀 What has he done? A few miles of wall, tax cuts for the 1% screwed the rest! Poisoning our air and water, killing the fish and animals and bees...... LIED to the Parkland kids about gun control! Oh so too very many to list, his great accomplishments!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 16:11:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 16:13:22 GMT
Wonder how our resident Trumpettes will spin this?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 16:15:56 GMT
"“I think the American people are going to have a chance to decide this at the ballot box in November 2020,” Beto O’Rourke said in March, neatly expressing prevailing Democratic opinion on the question of impeaching President Trump, “and perhaps that’s the best way for us to resolve these outstanding questions.” This is no longer a tenable position. The president’s bungled bid to coerce Ukraine’s leader into helping the Trump 2020 re-election campaign smear a rival struck “decide it at the ballot box” off the menu of reasonable opinion forever. Mr. Trump’s brazen attempt to cheat his way into a second term stands so scandalously exposed that there can be no assurance of a fair election if he’s allowed to stay in office. Resolving the question of the president’s fitness at the ballot box isn’t really an option, much less the best option, when the question boils down to whether the ballot box will be stuffed. Impeachment is therefore imperative, not only to protect the integrity of next year’s elections but to secure America’s continued democratic existence. If the House does its job, it will fall to Senate Republicans to reveal, in their decision to convict (or not), their preferred flavor of republic: constitutional or banana."I don't think there's any doubt what type the G(reed)OP wants. It's been clear for years if you've been paying attention to gerrymandering, campaign finance crimes, etc. NYT Opinion Piece: www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/opinion/trump-impeachment-2020.html
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Post by hop2 on Oct 2, 2019 16:20:25 GMT
From our fearless leader... ”The Do Nothing Democrats should be focused on building up our Country, not wasting everyone’s time and energy on BULLSHIT, which is what they have been doing ever since I got overwhelmingly elected in 2016, 223-306. Get a better candidate this time, you’ll need it!” So uplifting, so inspirational..... 😀 What has he done? A few miles of wall, tax cuts for the 1% screwed the rest! Poisoning our air and water, killing the fish and animals and bees...... LIED to the Parkland kids about gun control! Oh so too very many to list, his great accomplishments! His list of ‘accomplishments’ Put out by the WH claims he fixed the VA? Any y’all veterans or veteran relatives experience with the VA get better? It hasn’t for my relative.
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Post by used2scrap on Oct 2, 2019 16:30:42 GMT
What has he done? A few miles of wall, tax cuts for the 1% screwed the rest! Poisoning our air and water, killing the fish and animals and bees...... LIED to the Parkland kids about gun control! Oh so too very many to list, his great accomplishments! His list of ‘accomplishments’ Put out by the WH claims he fixed the VA? Any y’all veterans or veteran relatives experience with the VA get better? It hasn’t for my relative. Well it’s better in the sense that he’s able to go out in town for his appointments finally, since none were available for nearly a year at the VA. Of course that also means he’s paying Co pays for weekly visits. And the bureaucracy hasn’t seemed to have improved any.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 16:53:30 GMT
It’s really amazing how the corruption coming from trump is spreading throughout the government. Silly me, I thought as a country we were immune to this sort of thing happening. Guess not.
New York Times...
“Was There Another Cover-Up In Response to the Whistle-Blower?”
“The Justice Department should have shared a campaign-finance investigation with the Federal Election Commission.
One of the first things new prosecutors at the Justice Department learn is that cover-ups are rarely singular. There is often a cover-up of the cover-up.
Allegations of one cover-up, then another, emerged last week. Officials in the Trump administration tried to “lock down” the phone call memo between President Trump and Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine (the first cover-up), and then officials in the executive branch made efforts to keep this information from reaching Congress (the second cover-up).
Now we have discovered what may be a third cover-up. In its handling of the investigation and a potential campaign-finance violation, the Department of Justice appears to have ignored a rule that a matter under investigation must be referred to the Federal Election Commission. Critically, if the department had followed the rule, the Ukraine affair would have been disclosed to the American public.
Were it not for the efforts of the whistle-blower, everything about this would have been hidden from the F.E.C. and the American people.
Here’s how the Justice Department failed to follow the rule. As part of the scramble in the executive branch caused by the whistle-blower’s complaint, the Justice Department secretly investigated Mr. Trump for a potential campaign-finance violation. The department reportedly cleared him because the contributions solicited from a foreign government to his campaign were not quantifiable “things of value.” That’s the key phrase in one of the most important campaign-finance laws.
Remember that Mr. Trump’s own intelligence community inspector general — a former federal prosecutor — determined that the whistle-blower complaint was an “urgent concern.” Further, the complaint set out facts suggesting that Mr. Trump had indeed violated the federal statute that criminalizes soliciting any “thing of value” from a foreign citizen in connection with an election. A thorough investigation seemed warranted.
After it looked into the complaint, the Justice Department disagreed — it said that because the amount of the contribution couldn’t be quantified, the department would not even bother opening a criminal investigation (which would still have been short of bringing an actual prosecution).
To date, the criticism of the Justice Department has focused on its seemingly hasty judgment that a federal crime had not been committed and on Attorney General William Barr’s decision not to recuse himself from a matter directly implicating him.
Those are indeed valid criticisms, but an overlooked problem is that a federal government memorandum required the Justice Department to refer this complaint to the Federal Election Commission. And by all publicly available information, the department failed to do so.
For over 40 years, a memorandum of understanding has stood between the Justice Department and the Federal Election Commission, and it has been duly entered into The Federal Register. It’s a guide for how Justice and the F.E.C. should interact in administering federal election law. The document recognizes that some election law violations, for whatever reason, “may not be proper subjects for prosecution as crimes” under key criminal provisions of the federal election law statutes. The document then explains how the two agencies should interact when one or the other learns of potential violations.
Here’s the key part for our purpose: When information comes to the attention of the Justice Department indicating a “probable violation” of the Federal Election Campaign Act, the document says, “the department will apprise the commission of such information at the earliest opportunity.”
Note the standard for when the Justice Department must notify the F.E.C.: when there’s a “probable violation,” a low bar compared with the standard for actually bringing a criminal prosecution that must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
So again, as far as anyone knows, the Justice Department never provided that notification. And there’s more. The memo further explains that when the Justice Department determines that a probable violation “does not amount to a significant and substantial knowing and willful violation” — presumably what happened when the department decided not to continue investigating the matter described in the whistle-blower complaint — then “the department will refer the matter to the commission as promptly as possible.”
This, too, the Justice Department appears not to have done.
Why does it matter? Because the F.E.C. has a host of tools available to it to enforce federal election law that are distinct from the prosecutorial tool that the Justice Department declined to exercise here. The memo makes this, too, very clear.
It says that the Justice Department’s referral of such matters to the F.E.C. will facilitate the latter’s “consideration of the wide range of appropriate remedies available to the commission.” Those include, for example, the imposition of civil penalties for certain election-law violations — which would have been made public.
And establishing a civil violation doesn’t require that violation to have required a standard of knowing and willful. It also doesn’t require proof beyond a reasonable doubt, only the much lower standard of a preponderance of the evidence. What’s more, there’s no monetary threshold for a civil violation, meaning that the Justice Department’s apparent inability to quantify the “thing of value” the president was soliciting is irrelevant to the Justice Department’s duty to notify the commission and not a bar to that agency’s potential imposition of a civil penalty.
Underlying this F.E.C. enforcement mechanism is a deep desire for transparency: When candidates break the rules, they need to be held accountable. Reflecting that, a Justice Department publication from December 2017 notes that the F.E.C.’s enforcement jurisdiction over noncriminal violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act “cannot be compromised or waived by the Department of Justice.”
So what went wrong at the Justice Department? It’s possible that it simply didn’t do a civil analysis, which the memorandum requires it to do in order to determine whether there was a “probable violation” that must be referred to the F.E.C. Or it’s possible that the department did do a civil analysis and inexplicably decided that Mr. Trump’s phone conversation with the Ukrainian president didn’t rise to even a probable violation of election law under the much lower civil standards. It’s hard to know which would be more damning.
It’s worth emphasizing that this memorandum remains in full effect, though there have been discussions between the Justice Department and the F.E.C. about augmenting it with specific details on exactly how each agency should follow the memorandum’s guidance in situations like this one — discussions that seem well worth resuming when, in years to come, the Justice Department begins to care again about enforcing such laws.
One indication that the memo’s dictates remain required protocol? Just six years ago, it was cited in a public memorandum written by the F.E.C.’s vice chairman at the time.
His name? Mr. Trump’s own former White House counsel — Don McGahn.“
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 2, 2019 17:04:53 GMT
The 3 chairmen from the House have responded and I canNOT find their letter.... but their letter was sent to the Under Sec... Saying Pompeo should not be making decisions since he was involved by listening to the phone call.! Found excerpts .. The chairmen of the House Foreign Affairs, Intelligence and Oversight committees responded to Pompeo's letter later on Tuesday, saying that "any effort to intimidate witnesses or prevent them from talking with Congress -- including State Department employees -- is illegal and will constitute evidence of obstruction of the impeachment inquiry.""In response, Congress may infer from this obstruction that any withheld documents and testimony would reveal information that corroborates the whistleblower complaint," said the statement from Reps. Adam Schiff of California, Engel and Elijah Cummings of Maryland. The lawmakers also accused Pompeo of "intimidating Department witnesses in order to protect himself and the President," noting that he was on the President's July 25 phone call between Trump and the Ukrainian President and "is now a fact witness in the House impeachment inquiry." And on Tuesday night, Schiff, Engel and Cummings sent a letter to Deputy Secretary of State John Sullivan claiming Pompeo "now appears to have an obvious conflict of interest" in the Ukraine inquiry due to his reported involvement in the phone call between Trump and the Ukrainian President. "He should not be making any decision regarding witness testimony or document production in order to protect himself or the President," they wrote. The letter comes after the State Department's inspector general requested an urgent briefing for Wednesday with senior congressional staff members, according to sources briefed on the matter. It's unclear exactly what the inspector general plans to provide Congress during the private Wednesday briefing. www.cnn.com/2019/10/01/politics/pompeo-accuses-democrats-intimidation/index.htmlIntelligence Committee is right. In law, there’s a principle called adverse inference. If a defendant, or in this case the accused or party, refuses to cooperate by providing information, it can be inferred that the information is adverse to the accused, and such can be used by the prosecution. It works the same way in an impeachment. If Pompeo thinks he's helping Trump, he's gravely mistaken.
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 2, 2019 17:22:25 GMT
Guilani is threatening to sure Congress and individual members who are overstepping their authority with requests... Pompeo has admitted he was on the call with Zelensky. I swear Giuliani is losing what few marbles he has left. Congressional members have immunity from lawsuits in their oversight roles.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 2, 2019 17:27:30 GMT
Guilani is threatening to sure Congress and individual members who are overstepping their authority with requests... Pompeo has admitted he was on the call with Zelensky. I swear Giuliani is losing what few marbles he has left. Congressional members have immunity from lawsuits in their oversight roles. Good to see you!
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Post by Enna on Oct 2, 2019 17:33:51 GMT
I feel so bad for Niinistö, our president. He had to sit there and listen that grazy rant.
I can't wait for his memoir. He has now met Trump several times and I bet he has some interesting stories.
And Trump clearly doesn't know that us Finns like our personal space. 🙂
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Post by ntsf on Oct 2, 2019 17:40:43 GMT
trumps oral rant at the press at congress and others in the white house shows a man who has lost touch with reality. he sounds worse than a banana republic dictator in a movie...
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Post by rodeomom on Oct 2, 2019 17:45:41 GMT
I feel so bad for Niinistö, our president. He had to sit there and listen that grazy rant. I can't wait for his memoir. He has now met Trump several times and I bet he has some interesting stories. And Trump clearly doesn't know that us Finns like our personal space. 🙂 Would like to apologize to the Finns for this. Please know we are very embarrassed by this imbecile.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 2, 2019 17:57:46 GMT
I feel so bad for Niinistö, our president. He had to sit there and listen that grazy rant. I can't wait for his memoir. He has now met Trump several times and I bet he has some interesting stories. And Trump clearly doesn't know that us Finns like our personal space. 🙂 Would like to apologize to the Finns for this. Please know we are very embarrassed by this imbecile. Some of us are.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 2, 2019 18:27:07 GMT
I feel so bad for Niinistö, our president. He had to sit there and listen that grazy rant. I can't wait for his memoir. He has now met Trump several times and I bet he has some interesting stories. And Trump clearly doesn't know that us Finns like our personal space. 🙂 I am so very sorry your president had to experience all that! Too bad dt cannot speak to your president, he can only read his comments because he cannot control himself! WE are embarrassed!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 2, 2019 18:38:27 GMT
He attracts only the best!! On September 26, pro-Trump activist and right-wing commentator Karyn Turk pleaded guilty in a U.S. district court to a single charge of Social Security fraud, the Palm Beach Post reports.The $17,300 in government checks that were supposed to go towards the care of her mother who has dementia, instead went towards funding Turk’s lavish lifestyle, according to Assistant U.S. Attorney Adrienne Rabinowitz. ** Suspicions that Turk was using the money for herself were first raised by a caregiver at the nursing home where Turk’s 83-year-old mother was living, who asked a Palm Beach County Circuit judge to appoint a guardian to represent the woman. The court-appointed guardian then confirmed the caregiver’s suspicions. The guardian, identified as Amy Nicol in court papers, accused Turk of using the money to fund her dream of appearing on “The Real Housewives of Palm Beach” as a publicity stunt. From the Palm Beach Post: As evidence, Nicol’s attorney Brian O’Connell accused Turk and her husband of renting large homes in Wellington, where they then lived, and buying tables at equestrian events that they could ill-afford. Their financial stretch was compounded because Turk’s husband, Boynton Beach lawyer Evan Turk, is supporting his children from his first marriage, O’Connell claimed. Court records show Evan Turk has to pay nearly $2,000 a month in child support. In October, he was $32,500 in arrears, records show. In the wake of her mother’s death in July, Turk reportedly filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the nursing home this month. ** www.rawstory.com/2019/10/pro-trump-activist-pleads-guilty-to-stealing-over-17k-in-social-security-checks-from-her-83-year-old-mom/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1619
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 18:41:30 GMT
Andrea Mitchell...
”.@senamyklobuchar says, "The moment he stood in front of that CIA wall dedicated to those fallen agents and gave a partisan speech, he's never been able to draw the line between his own advancement, his business advancement, his political advancement, and our country." #AMRstaff”
She has a point.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 2, 2019 18:46:19 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 2, 2019 18:49:20 GMT
I feel so bad for Niinistö, our president. He had to sit there and listen that grazy rant. Good statement!! not exact quote... Mr President, you have a good democracy, keep it going...
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Post by hop2 on Oct 2, 2019 18:49:24 GMT
I feel so bad for Niinistö, our president. He had to sit there and listen that grazy rant. I can't wait for his memoir. He has now met Trump several times and I bet he has some interesting stories. And Trump clearly doesn't know that us Finns like our personal space. 🙂 I am so very sorry your president had to experience all that! Too bad dt cannot speak to your president, he can only read his comments because he cannot control himself! WE are embarrassed! Unfortunately, there’s still %30+ who support him& a large subset of those are actually Proud of him. I understand that less & less with each passing day. SMDH
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