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Post by hop2 on Sept 23, 2019 23:04:58 GMT
Her defense attorney is making me more angry at her than I previously was. I thought it was a weird situation and was pretty shocked by it in the first place. It always sounded rather fishy to me. But the more I hear of the trial the more angry I am.
She killed a man in his own apartment and she expects to get off without punishment? Because she was exhausted? I’ve come home from work exhausted many times & I’ve never shot anyone. I walked into the wrong garage in my building and my exhausted neighbor who’s been working doubles, did not shoot me, nor Dud exhausted with a migraine me shoot him. I apologized and that was that. If she confuses herself when she’s tired and shoots a person, no questions asked, no trying to diffuse the situation, no 911 call before shooting him, not even trying to arrest him first, but shoot first unconfuse yourself later? There’s so many things she should have done before pulling her gun & shooting him. If that’s her first reaction,Then she’s a danger to society and shouldn’t be free.
I really thought they’d use a temporary insanity defense or something or plea down to get manslaughter or whatever the equivalent is there but this defense is bullshit. Were I on that jury I’d be way closer to guilty of the highest charge available to me to say guilty to.
She was ‘exhausted’ & ‘confused’ so her first reaction is to shoot someone - not call 911- not arrest the guy- but shoot him in his own home? And you want to walk free? Yeah Not in my building. I don’t want to be her neighbor!
And also, the more I hear of the trial the more fishy the whole thing sounds. It’s super bizarre. And the defense doesn’t match her actions so it makes it feel even more fishy.
I’m pretty sure when it happened I was on the ‘I’ll wait until they finish investigating before making an opinion’ bench but it doesn’t look good. Now I’m on the guilty & should do as much jail time as possible’ bench & I’m there because of her defense lawyer, not the prosecution.
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Post by Prenticekid on Sept 23, 2019 23:50:16 GMT
The DA had to be trying to throw the trial on purpose by giving an interview under the gag order. I really don't get protecting murderous cops, especially to the point that you are willing to give up your integrity.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 24, 2019 0:00:32 GMT
She walked over/on his RED rug to get into his apartment. She NEVER had a RED rug!!
The police tell us all the time, if you come home and something seems wrong, particularly a door ajar, back right out! Do not confront an intruder!
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Post by hop2 on Sept 24, 2019 0:06:48 GMT
She walked over/on his RED rug to get into his apartment. She NEVER had a RED rug!! The police tell us all the time, if you come home and something seems wrong, particularly a door ajar, back right out! Do not confront an intruder! That’s just it, she is a cop so why wasn’t subduing & arresting him her first instinct? I wouldn’t want to live anywhere near this woman. It sounds even more fishy now than it did then. |
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Post by originalvanillabean on Sept 24, 2019 0:26:18 GMT
Her defense attorney is making me more angry at her than I previously was. I thought it was a weird situation and was pretty shocked by it in the first place. It always sounded rather fishy to me. But the more I hear of the trial the more angry I am. She killed a man in his own apartment and she expects to get off without punishment? Because she was exhausted? I’ve come home from work exhausted many times & I’ve never shot anyone. I walked into the wrong garage in my building and my exhausted neighbor who’s been working doubles, did not shoot me, nor Dud exhausted with a migraine me shoot him. I apologized and that was that. If she confuses herself when she’s tired and shoots a person, no questions asked, no trying to diffuse the situation, no 911 call before shooting him, not even trying to arrest him first, but shoot first unconfuse yourself later? There’s so many things she should have done before pulling her gun & shooting him. If that’s her first reaction,Then she’s a danger to society and shouldn’t be free. I really thought they’d use a temporary insanity defense or something or plea down to get manslaughter or whatever the equivalent is there but this defense is bullshit. Were I on that jury I’d be way closer to guilty of the highest charge available to me to say guilty to. She was ‘exhausted’ & ‘confused’ so her first reaction is to shoot someone - not call 911- not arrest the guy- but shoot him in his own home? And you want to walk free? Yeah Not in my building. I don’t want to be her neighbor! And also, the more I hear of the trial the more fishy the whole thing sounds. It’s super bizarre. And the defense doesn’t match her actions so it makes it feel even more fishy. I’m pretty sure when it happened I was on the ‘I’ll wait until they finish investigating before making an opinion’ bench but it doesn’t look good. Now I’m on the guilty & should do as much jail time as possible’ bench & I’m there because of her defense lawyer, not the prosecution. Yes Yes Yes! I live in the DFW area and have heard about this since it happened. I agree 100%. DH and I were talking about it at dinner. He said she didn't do it on purpose. WTF? You don't get to KILL someone and "not mean it". It doesn't work like that. He was just playing devils advocate but too many things do NOT add up. |
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Post by jackietex on Sept 24, 2019 0:29:03 GMT
I agree about her lawyer, his angry sounding voice (imo) made me want to punch them both.
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Post by suzastampin on Sept 24, 2019 3:12:49 GMT
What I don’t get is how she thought he was in her apartment when her apartment was on a different floor. I think when I come home from work I know whether I need to climb a flight of stairs or not!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 24, 2019 3:22:11 GMT
What I don’t get is how she thought he was in her apartment when her apartment was on a different floor. I think when I come home from work I know whether I need to climb a flight of stairs or not!! I thought she parked on the wrong level in the parking deck. His unit would have been her unit had she been on the right floor. I could also be totally wrong! But again I do KNOW that he had a RED rug outside his door, she did NOT! |
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Post by elaine on Sept 24, 2019 3:46:22 GMT
Didn’t she recently move there?
Regardless, she killed an innocent man in his own home. First, she is guilty of trespassing and 2nd, she is guilty of murder, imo. She should serve hard time. There were any number of times she could have chosen another course of action, but instead followed along the path that resulted in her shooting a man in his own home in cold blood.
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Post by suzastampin on Sept 24, 2019 16:16:54 GMT
What I don’t get is how she thought he was in her apartment when her apartment was on a different floor. I think when I come home from work I know whether I need to climb a flight of stairs or not!! I thought she parked on the wrong level in the parking deck. His unit would have been her unit had she been on the right floor. I could also be totally wrong! But again I do KNOW that he had a RED rug outside his door, she did NOT! I didn’t realize there was a parking deck involved. That explains more. I did know about the red rug. |
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Post by shevy on Sept 24, 2019 16:47:12 GMT
I'm listening to it and very interested. Her attorney said that there were something like 70+ people who had done the same thing she had; gone to the wrong floor and tried to enter the apartment that they thought was their place. However, it's stranger that she didn't notice the plant and the rugs.
I can't understand why she would fire her weapon though. I'm really interested to see how this plays out in the court. The prosecution is saying that she made a wrong decision, both in the line of duty and as a citizen.
She says she was exhausted by the hard day of work. However, yesterday the prosecution had evidence that she sat for hours in the police station while her arrestee was being interrogated by detectives and was on Pinterest, Google, YouTube, etc... She also had the opportunity to relax in the break room and watch TV while this happened.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 24, 2019 16:52:27 GMT
I'm listening to it and very interested. Her attorney said that there were something like 70+ people who had done the same thing she had; gone to the wrong floor and tried to enter the apartment that they thought was their place. However, it's stranger that she didn't notice the plant and the rugs. I can't understand why she would fire her weapon though. I'm really interested to see how this plays out in the court. The prosecution is saying that she made a wrong decision, both in the line of duty and as a citizen. She says she was exhausted by the hard day of work. However, yesterday the prosecution had evidence that she sat for hours in the police station while her arrestee was being interrogated by detectives and was on Pinterest, Google, YouTube, etc... She also had the opportunity to relax in the break room and watch TV while this happened. Yeah, but those other 70 plus people didn’t immediately shoot a human being in their own home. She did. She did not attempt to do any less lethal thing she just shot first asked questions later. No way in hell I’d want her in my community after this she is a huge danger to those around her. The more her lawyer talks the more I think she’s guilty. And it still does not add up it is still fishy |
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Post by julieb on Sept 24, 2019 17:29:16 GMT
I'm not going to judge her because we have no idea what was going on in her mind. I feel horrible for the victim and his family.
I would think this would be involuntary manslaughter and they are stretching for a murder conviction. There is no proof that it was premeditated.
My ds's friend was murdered in Chicago. The trial just ended and the scumbag got convicted of involuntary manslaughter. I will never understand the jury's thinking when the victim was shot point blank in a robbery attempt.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 24, 2019 21:15:29 GMT
I'm not going to judge her because we have no idea what was going on in her mind. I feel horrible for the victim and his family. I would think this would be involuntary manslaughter and they are stretching for a murder conviction. There is no proof that it was premeditated. My ds's friend was murdered in Chicago. The trial just ended and the scumbag got convicted of involuntary manslaughter. I will never understand the jury's thinking when the victim was shot point blank in a robbery attempt. Premeditation isn't required for a murder conviction. State laws vary, but typically murder requires the intent to kill. This is very, very far from involuntary manslaughter - which is usually used when a death results despite no intention to cause death - when you aim a gun and shoot them twice, you'd be hard pressed to argue you didn't intend to cause death. Some states have voluntary vs involuntary and various degrees of murder. Texas is a bit unique in only having manslaughter and murder and capital murder. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 24, 2019 21:15:46 GMT
The police tell us all the time, if you come home and something seems wrong, particularly a door ajar, back right out! Do not confront an intruder! Which i what I said above... she had FIVE years on the job, she was not a rookie! |
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Post by shevy on Sept 24, 2019 21:47:24 GMT
protocol demanded that she take cover and call for backup instead of opening fire This is exactly why I'm so interested in this trial. I was just in safety training today and it was said that we needed to train on physical safety because you have muscle memory and your mind remembers things and doesn't just freeze. So was she just a really bad officer? And if so, how did she get on the CRT? Did her training fly out the window in personal situations? Was she just overreacting? I want to know the why, even though that's not what trials are about. |
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Post by shevy on Sept 24, 2019 21:48:16 GMT
And she NEVER EVER helped him. Not once. She left the apartment and started making calls and texts. SHe never offered or approached to render aid. I can't understand that either.
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Post by freebird on Sept 24, 2019 22:19:00 GMT
I'm only vaguely familiar with the case. What is the PA saying was her motive for killing him?
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Post by hop2 on Sept 24, 2019 22:45:36 GMT
That red carpet is very very noticeable in the body cam videos of the other officers responding. You can see it from way down the hall.
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Post by iowgirl on Sept 24, 2019 22:59:01 GMT
She killed a man in his own apartment and she expects to get off without punishment? Because she was exhausted? I’ve come home from work exhausted many times & I’ve never shot anyone. I'm not too familiar with this case, but a guy around here was blazing drunk. Walking into the wrong apartment and beat an elderly man to death, because he thought he was in his apartment. The kid did get sent to jail, but was released fairly quickly. Why? He was white, and has a deep love for Jesus. Those are the only reasons I can come up with. I am still astonished that this guy murdered an innocent 75 year old man and was out on the streets in 3 years. |
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Post by dewryce on Sept 24, 2019 23:04:02 GMT
And she NEVER EVER helped him. Not once. She left the apartment and started making calls and texts. SHe never offered or approached to render aid. I can't understand that either. So no matter her excuse, no matter if she felt her life was at risk in the moment...what is her reasoning behind this? She felt that the man bleeding out on his floor was a risk to her? What is the protocol for this in a normal police officer shooting situation, does anyone know? Are they not expected to render aid when it is obvious the danger has passed? |
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Post by mom on Sept 25, 2019 22:48:06 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 25, 2019 23:27:51 GMT
Are they not expected to render aid when it is obvious the danger has passed? Yes! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 25, 2019 23:29:01 GMT
The judge is none too happy about it all too! |
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Post by snugglebutter on Sept 26, 2019 1:30:58 GMT
A former co-worker of mine was following this story when it first happened. She mentioned that the two knew each other, maybe dated. Is this true? This was a rumor. |
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Post by annabella on Sept 26, 2019 3:13:30 GMT
I don’t understand how she opened his door. I read they had some kind of electronic locks instead of keys?
I think when you’re exhausted you don’t think straight and that’s why she didn’t see the mat and other things. Once one of my co-workers put his hot lunch in the kitchen cabinets instead of the fridge.
I think when she entered his apartment he got up front the couch to approach this stranger at the door and she overreacted. I think she was in police mode and thought she was protecting herself. I think a police reaction is different than a layman reaction. I think a petite women would react differently to a stranger in her apartment then a male. She may not even remember the split second of why she shot him, maybe he said something or the way he approached her triggered her.
I think she realized she shot him dead which is why she didn’t help him. She also knows 911 calls are recorded or just said out of habit she needs an ambulance. No one would say no bring the van for the body, I think habit is to say bring an ambulance. I watch a lot of dateline and 20/20.
I had a friend that lived in an apartment like hers. I’m used to parking garages being under the building but hers had parking on every floor as the apartments. It was a huge complex without color coding so I don’t know how my friend went to the right floor and parking spot. I’d be really curious to know if the apt building in question has made any changes?
Overall my opinion is that this was a horrible accident, a tired person who overreacted. You can’t throw logic into this because you have to think about the other factors. She does need to do time since she took someone’s life. But I hope police departments look at this case and put limits on overtime.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 26, 2019 5:08:38 GMT
I don’t understand how she opened his door. I read they had some kind of electronic locks instead of keys? I think when you’re exhausted you don’t think straight and that’s why she didn’t see the mat and other things. Once one of my co-workers put his hot lunch in the kitchen cabinets instead of the fridge. I think when she entered his apartment he got up front the couch to approach this stranger at the door and she overreacted. I think she was in police mode and thought she was protecting herself. I think a police reaction is different than a layman reaction. I think a petite women would react differently to a stranger in her apartment then a male. She may not even remember the split second of why she shot him, maybe he said something or the way he approached her triggered her. I think she realized she shot him dead which is why she didn’t help him. She also knows 911 calls are recorded or just said out of habit she needs an ambulance. No one would say no bring the van for the body, I think habit is to say bring an ambulance. I watch a lot of dateline and 20/20. I had a friend that lived in an apartment like hers. I’m used to parking garages being under the building but hers had parking on every floor as the apartments. It was a huge complex without color coding so I don’t know how my friend went to the right floor and parking spot. I’d be really curious to know if the apt building in question has made any changes? Overall my opinion is that this was a horrible accident, a tired person who overreacted. You can’t throw logic into this because you have to think about the other factors. She does need to do time since she took someone’s life. But I hope police departments look at this case and put limits on overtime. A police reaction in this situation should be different, it should be better. She was trained to asses a dangerous situation. She was trained to leave and call for back-up. And one of the factors that needs to be considered is that she is a trained police officer. This is not someone unaccustomed to making snap decisions that affect the safety and well being of others. There were protocols to follow, which she didn’t do. If she had checked, she would have seen he wasn’t dead. She should have checked, not only as a police officer but as a freaking human being. |
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Post by mom on Sept 27, 2019 20:12:31 GMT
After listening to the trial today - I do not think she will be convicted of murder. WFAA is reporting that detectives and the Texas Rangers both felt this should be a manslaughter case. IMHO - she would be convicted on manslaughter but Im not sure she will be found guilty of murder.
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Post by mom on Oct 1, 2019 15:58:45 GMT
Amber has been found guilty of murder. I am surprised - watching the trial I thought for sure it’d be manslaughter. www.wfaa.com |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 1, 2019 16:04:21 GMT
I have only caught a few minutes of coverage of the trial, but listening to more of the 911 call and her testimony, I am inclined to believe that it was an accident. That doesn't mean there should be no consequences, but I think it was a tragedy for all involved. She seemed to be tired and distracted. I have always wondered why we expect people in super stressful, but important, positions to work such long hours (like doctors and police officers). This makes me question that even more.
ETA that I did think that her words on the 911 call seemed pretty self-serving ("I'm going to lose my job!") but it is hard to know how someone will react in that type of situation. It doesn't sound like it was an intentional shooting, though.
I also think that this is another situation in which guns are not helpful.
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