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Post by mom on Sept 24, 2019 22:04:34 GMT
I won't actually celebrate until it is all over and it ain't over till the fat lady sings. I just don't think he will be removed from office. It is one thing to impeach but it will take some Republicans to vote yes to remove from office. Yep. My husband pointed out that Clinton was impeached but never left office. I would love to see Trump forced to leave office but I can’t imagine it will happen. Hopefully, this will piss him off no end and make his already miserable life even more miserable. I agree. Here's an article from Time - just because a President has been impeached really doesn't not mean anything. Two Presidents have previously been impeached and neither actually left office. I am afraid so many are counting on Impeachment getting Trump out and really, IF it does, its a very long shot.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 24, 2019 22:05:59 GMT
Yep. My husband pointed out that Clinton was impeached but never left office. I would love to see Trump forced to leave office but I can’t imagine it will happen. Hopefully, this will piss him off no end and make his already miserable life even more miserable. I agree. Here's an article from Time - just because a President has been impeached really doesn't not mean anything. Two Presidents have previously been impeached and neither actually left office. I am afraid so many are counting on Impeachment getting Trump out and really, IF it does, its a very long shot. It’s 2 separate processes isn’t it? Impeachment in the House and then over to the Senate who decides if he should be removed? Is that still considered impeachment?
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Post by dewryce on Sept 24, 2019 22:07:49 GMT
From Wikipedia (I know, I know).
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Post by mom on Sept 24, 2019 22:09:58 GMT
I agree. Here's an article from Time - just because a President has been impeached really doesn't not mean anything. Two Presidents have previously been impeached and neither actually left office. I am afraid so many are counting on Impeachment getting Trump out and really, IF it does, its a very long shot. It’s 2 separate processes isn’t it? Impeachment in the House and then over to the Senate who decides if he should be removed? Is that still considered impeachment? Yes, its two parts. So yes - if the House votes to impeach that's one thing. But then the Senate has to have a 2/3 vote for him to actually be Impeached & removed from office. From the Time Article: In order for a president to be impeached, a resolution for impeachment must pass the House by a simple majority. In and of itself, that’s a steep hurdle, especially when the president’s own party has control, as Republicans do now. But in order to actually be removed from office, a president must be convicted by a two-thirds majority in the Senate — something that has never happened before.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 24, 2019 22:12:09 GMT
I am afraid so many are counting on Impeachment getting Trump out and really, IF it does, its a very long shot. would it hurt his chances at winning a re-election, though, at the very least?? hopefully so!! ETA: it is two separate things, as iI understand it: 1. Impeachment (in the House); and 2. Removal vote (in the Senate)
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Post by mom on Sept 24, 2019 22:12:52 GMT
I am afraid so many are counting on Impeachment getting Trump out and really, IF it does, its a very long shot. would it hurt his chances at re-election, though, at the very least?? hopefully!! I would like to think so, but honestly? I doubt it. Those who are voting for him are going to continue to support him.
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Post by kernriver on Sept 24, 2019 22:21:00 GMT
I am afraid so many are counting on Impeachment getting Trump out and really, IF it does, its a very long shot. would it hurt his chances at winning a re-election, though, at the very least?? hopefully so!! ETA: it is two separate things, as iI understand it: 1. Impeachment (in the House); and 2. Removal vote (in the Senate) Yes, it would seriously hurt his chances, is what my first thought was. However, the people that vote for Trump are so stupid/oblivious/brainwashed that it probably will end up getting him more votes.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 24, 2019 22:28:04 GMT
would it hurt his chances at re-election, though, at the very least?? hopefully!! I would like to think so, but honestly? I doubt it. Those who are voting for him are going to continue to support him. I agree. But that doesn’t mean we still shouldn’t do what is within our power to stand up for what is right. Where I stand at the moment is that it might hurt us, which says so much, but it is still the right thing to do. It’s their duty.
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Post by lbrock44 on Sept 24, 2019 22:42:40 GMT
It's about time. Someone has to hold him accountable. The House is the only body of our government that will.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 22:51:50 GMT
Perhaps I don’t understand, is the impeachment investigation limited to one topic, that of the Ukraine call? Even still, the fact that it was deemed credible and concerning by the correct individual should be enough to move this forward, should it not? I just saw a blurb on twitter that the whistleblower listed more unsettling actions by the president then just the phone call. And at this point I don’t think anyone knows how many items will be included in this inquiry. This might just be a wild guess but I think they've got more on him that just the phone call. Just a hunch I had when listening to Nancy Pelosi earlier. They've probably been gathering it until they had enough concrete evidence that he couldn't wriggle out of.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 22:52:01 GMT
Moscow Mitch’s statement.. ”Instead of working together ( ) across party lines on legislation to help American families and strengthen our nation (gun background checks) , they will descend even deeper into their obsession with relitigating 2016.” So for giggles I asked my friend google how many bills has the House passed and sent to the Senate where they are currently languishing. As of May 49. And this little blurb from Vox in May ”ironically, over the past two weeks, the House has passed bills to address most of the issues Trump mentioned in his tweet. They recently passed a bill to lower prescription drug prices, and another one to protect preexisting conditions. The House also passed nine bills on veterans issues this week alone, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi noted at her weekly press conference. On Thursday, Democrats tried to present Trump their infrastructure plan before he walked out of their meeting.”
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Post by lucyg on Sept 24, 2019 23:01:09 GMT
Even if nothing comes of it in the end (most likely outcome), with impeachment, Democrats are putting out for the historical record every accusation they have against this monster. They’re making a stand. That’s important.
100 years from now, every school child will still know that Donald Trump was impeached. He won’t be invisible or forgotten.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 24, 2019 23:08:17 GMT
Even if nothing comes of it in the end (most likely outcome), with impeachment, Democrats are putting out for the historical record every accusation they have against this monster. They’re making a stand. That’s important. 100 years from now, every school child will still know that Donald Trump was impeached. He won’t be invisible or forgotten. I completely agree. And I will add that I fervently hope that the next time we have control of Congress we pass shit tons of legislature to close these loopholes (for lack of a better word) and make it impossible for a POTUS to circumvent the law like this again. I want checks and balances to mean something again.
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Post by mustlovecats on Sept 24, 2019 23:19:09 GMT
I guess trump got the message.. ”Such an important day at the United Nations, so much work and so much success, and the Democrats purposely had to ruin and demean it with more breaking news Witch Hunt garbage. So bad for our Country!” This witch hunt sure is turning up a lot of witches though.
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Post by pierkiss on Sept 24, 2019 23:23:03 GMT
Good.
Let’s see if the republicans have the balls to stand up for the country.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Sept 24, 2019 23:23:48 GMT
I can't wait to hear the express bonus episode of Opening Arguments that will analyse this. One of the co-hosts predicted just a week or two ago the Ukraine whistleblower file would likely lead to an impeachment procedure. And he was right. Go Andrew Torrez (and give us the lawyer-y deets)!
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Post by sleepingbooty on Sept 24, 2019 23:25:04 GMT
I guess trump got the message.. ”Such an important day at the United Nations, so much work and so much success, and the Democrats purposely had to ruin and demean it with more breaking news Witch Hunt garbage. So bad for our Country!” This witch hunt sure is turning up a lot of witches though.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 24, 2019 23:26:09 GMT
Moscow Mitch’s statement.. ”Instead of working together ( ) across party lines on legislation to help American families and strengthen our nation (gun background checks) , they will descend even deeper into their obsession with relitigating 2016.” So for giggles I asked my friend google how many bills has the House passed and sent to the Senate where they are currently languishing. As of May 49. And this little blurb from Vox in May ”ironically, over the past two weeks, the House has passed bills to address most of the issues Trump mentioned in his tweet. They recently passed a bill to lower prescription drug prices, and another one to protect preexisting conditions. The House also passed nine bills on veterans issues this week alone, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi noted at her weekly press conference. On Thursday, Democrats tried to present Trump their infrastructure plan before he walked out of their meeting.” ROTFLOL How many bills are you sitting in Mitchie? Waiting for Vlad to give you permission to hold a vote on them? One of these days there will be a news report from DC about the spontaneous combustion of pants. The only people who believe the house isn’t working, aren’t passing bills, are delusional. Including the people I know who stupidly listen to Faux news talk shows as if they are actual news If the world does indeed survive the climate change crisis then this period will be looked back upon with puzzlement as to how many people were purposefully ignorant about facts right in front of them. It will be our ‘can’t understand how that happened’ period
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Post by hop2 on Sept 24, 2019 23:29:28 GMT
Good. Let’s see if the republicans have the balls to stand up for the country. Nope Party over country-Money over Party- no loyalty or morals to be found. They are well & fully the party to make the rich richer & won’t stand up for anything other than that filling their pockets and the pockets of their plutocratic benefactors ( said as a former Republican )
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 24, 2019 23:38:10 GMT
Good. Let’s see if the republicans have the balls to stand up for the country. 😂🤣😂🤣 That's not going to happen. republicans never think of the good of the country only the good of making money off of the taxpayers.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2019 23:38:23 GMT
But he will release the phone call transcript tomorrow...you know after they change it.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2019 23:39:58 GMT
would it hurt his chances at re-election, though, at the very least?? hopefully!! I would like to think so, but honestly? I doubt it. Those who are voting for him are going to continue to support him. and wake up every day thanking god for president trump. Puke
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Post by hop2 on Sept 24, 2019 23:46:01 GMT
But he will release the phone call transcript tomorrow...you know after they change it. Hope they do a better job than the sharpie weather map Or maybe not comic relief might be welcome
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 24, 2019 23:57:19 GMT
One of the commentators mentioned that to go for them all would not do the job.... Target the Ukraine first and foremost. With the whistleblowers complaint in detail, it should be enough with dt admitting doing what he has done. Yes, the whistleblower has cited several other incidents, which reenforces Ukraine too.
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Post by suzastampin on Sept 24, 2019 23:58:51 GMT
Moscow Mitch’s statement.. ”Instead of working together ( ) across party lines on legislation to help American families and strengthen our nation (gun background checks) , they will descend even deeper into their obsession with relitigating 2016.” So for giggles I asked my friend google how many bills has the House passed and sent to the Senate where they are currently languishing. As of May 49. And this little blurb from Vox in May ”ironically, over the past two weeks, the House has passed bills to address most of the issues Trump mentioned in his tweet. They recently passed a bill to lower prescription drug prices, and another one to protect preexisting conditions. The House also passed nine bills on veterans issues this week alone, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi noted at her weekly press conference. On Thursday, Democrats tried to present Trump their infrastructure plan before he walked out of their meeting.” What I don’t get is, why don’t the house members hammer how many bills they’ve passed and what they were. Then, they need to be publicly after the Senate to bring them forward for a vote. The majority of people have no idea what the house has done since the last election. They need to be shouting from the rooftops that they passed legislation to lower prescription costs, to protect preexisting conditions, etc.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 25, 2019 0:03:56 GMT
It’s 2 separate processes isn’t it? Impeachment in the House and then over to the Senate who decides if he should be removed? Is that still considered impeachment? The House draws up the Articles of Impeachment, as a grand jury does for indictments, it goes to trial in the Senate, they are the jurors, Chief Justice Roberts is the presiding judge. The Senate/jurors make the determination as to impeachment. Keep in mind that Barr has put in writing that the president cannot be charged or prosecuted or face any judicial action. Impeachment is a Constitutional action so in my extremely limited knowledge it should be not covered by Barr's hopefully, unlawful statements!
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Post by thundergal on Sept 25, 2019 0:05:29 GMT
I don't believe impeachment is going to get trump out of office. We are 13 months away from the election and I'm counting on the wisdom of the people to prevail. I think these hearings will neuter this administration a bit, and it says to trump and his complicit cronies that his lawlessness and corruption are not okay. Then he will leave office in January of 2021 and go to jail. The end!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 25, 2019 0:06:01 GMT
What I don’t get is, why don’t the house members hammer how many bills they’ve passed and what they were. Then, they need to be publicly after the Senate to bring them forward for a vote. The majority of people have no idea what the house has done since the last election. They need to be shouting from the rooftops that they passed legislation to lower prescription costs, to protect preexisting conditions, etc. Yes, they should be yelling from the rooftops.... The House has also passed gun reform bills, I think background checks and I forget!
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 25, 2019 0:31:39 GMT
And he continues... ”Pelosi, Nadler, Schiff and, of course, Maxine Waters! Can you believe this?” “They never even saw the transcript of the call. A total Witch Hunt!” ”PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!” Perhaps I don’t understand, is the impeachment investigation limited to one topic, that of the Ukraine call? Even still, the fact that it was deemed credible and concerning by the correct individual should be enough to move this forward, should it not? My understanding is that the Ukraine affair was the tipping point. It does sound bad. ETA:. The fact that the IG for Intelligence found it credible probably means that there is corroboration by more than one source. I just read this handy explanation: www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/20/questions-about-trump-whistleblower-answered/
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Post by prapea on Sept 25, 2019 0:41:22 GMT
I voted for Hillary Clinton. Now that that’s out of the way, my random thoughts/questions on this.
For me, it feels like we are saying, “we didn’t think Trump would be elected as President so we didn’t vote for Hillary or DT. But now I cannot wait for him to be impeached because he is messing up too much.”
I also am scared that this whole impeachment thing will make people actually vote for him again. Why dl I think that? Because most of the people I know that voted for him in 2016 voted for him because of him being a white republican male who came in after a black democratic male.
What he did and is doing is despicable. There is no doubt about it. But is it politically a good move for democrats to do this now? Will this make Trump win in 2020?
I also wonder if Trump did what he did because he really wants to be out of the office?
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