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Post by sunshine on Sept 30, 2019 15:06:22 GMT
I am beyond ticked right now.
I started getting gray when I was around 30. My natural hair color was blond, then darker blond (dirty blond, mousy blond) as I got older. I've had the same stylist for about 15 years. She always did a good job of covering the gray. We made the base color dark blond, and then I got highlights.
About 3-4 years ago I started getting serious scalp irritation after my touch ups, and she suggested I go with organic color. My hair color has not been right since. The base color either turns brassy quickly, she doesn't get it that dark color anymore, etc. Her solution has always been to keep adding highlights.
She has since opened her own salon and she will only use organic, everything. Two touch ups ago SHE said she's gonna have to find another organic line for me. Dumb me didn't ask why. I went for a touch up last week and my hair is yellow. My hair is gold. My hair is brassy. One person I asked said she saw some red. WTH!!! On my way out last week she said I need, yet again, highlights. I don't care how many highlights she puts in my hair the base color is still going to be yellow, gold, brassy!
I'm ready to go back to traditional color and deal with the irritation, but that means I'll have to walk away from her. This isn't working.
After that long rant, if you dye gray hair, do you have a hard time getting the color to stick?
Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 15:14:09 GMT
I have been coloring my hair for more than 30 years. I find that I have to leave the root color on for 45 minutes because it is resistant but it does cover. I go to a salon school every 3 to 4 weeks and have been very pleased with the results. (It isn't organic color it is TIGI)
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Post by katlaw on Sept 30, 2019 15:14:26 GMT
My natural hair colour is chestnut brown. I am now adding grey highlights to blend in where my hair is turning naturally grey. So not quite the same as your covering up grey. I wanted to mention Kevin Murphy hair colour if your stylist has not tried them yet. They are organic, paraben and sulphate free. I did not colour my hair for years because I reacted to hair colour. I have had no problems with Kevin Murphy products.
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Post by Merge on Sept 30, 2019 15:17:40 GMT
Yes, I have a hard time getting the color to stick/stay. I use a warm light brown and I understand that the reddish tones fade most quickly. I don’t deal with a scalp irritation problem though. The color on my gray roots seems to fade out after a couple of weeks. I’ve been using the clairol root touch up kit after two weeks and then I also get my hair done at the salon every four weeks. It’s not ideal but haven’t found another solution.
If brassiness is a problem, you might consider a shampoo to reduce that.
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Post by iowgirl on Sept 30, 2019 15:17:51 GMT
I'd go with a new stylist.
I color my gray (I assume there is some there - lol) and my color stays great. I go a bit lighter in the summer and darker in the fall/winter - but that is mostly with the highlights. I've never had any skin irritations, but my scalp has never been too sensitive.
I don't know what brand of color products they use. But they do use Kevin Murphy products, so it could be his color line.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 15:19:53 GMT
Yes. My hair color is dark chestnut brown and I have white/gray hair coming in.
I have noticed that my color doesn't last 6 to 8 weeks, but about 4 before the grey comes in again.
I just suck it up and go every 6 to 8 weeks. It is just how my hair responds to the coloring process.
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Post by sunshine on Sept 30, 2019 15:32:31 GMT
Thank you for the replies. I know gray hair is a beast, so I've been patient and have done everything she has suggested from how often I shampoo to what shampoo products to use.
Does the color on your gray hair beyond the roots fade out also for people?
I don't know what products she's using as it seems she's all over the place. She started out with one line. Then she went to 2. Last week she said she's using 5 different organic lines. WTF I feel like she's playing mad scientist. And this color she used for my touch up is absolutely not the same color (which, by the way, I wasn't all that thrilled with either) my hair was before. Also, when she went to shampoo me, she was rubbing the color from my roots all thru my hair and then washed it. I think she was trying to get some of the new color to mix in with the old. And again, ended with I need highlights.
It's frustrating and maddening.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Sept 30, 2019 15:45:51 GMT
Does the color on your gray hair beyond the roots fade out also for people? I've never had that problem. Then again, my stylist doesn't use organic products to my knowledge. For the past 20+ years, I'm in every 5 weeks for base color on my roots (a dark ash blond). She notes before she does that whether I need highlights or lowlights. To get a really natural look with blond hair, it usually takes both high and low lights to do the trick. I get comments on my hair color all the time and people are shocked to find out it's color and not natural. Honestly, I'd be looking for another hair dresser. It sounds like either she can't figure out what to do with your hair or the organic isn't going to give the coverage you want/need. The fact that she keeps suggesting highlights after coloring comes across as her looking for a quick fix. Highlights aren't going to fix a bad base color.
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Post by Anita on Sept 30, 2019 15:49:13 GMT
Honestly, I think it's time for a new hair stylist. My gray is getting more and more difficult to cover, and I'm just about to the point where I want to start letting it grow out gray. I am going to have my stylist help me with the transition.
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Post by sunshine on Sept 30, 2019 15:55:40 GMT
Does the color on your gray hair beyond the roots fade out also for people? I've never had that problem. Then again, my stylist doesn't use organic products to my knowledge. For the past 20+ years, I'm in every 5 weeks for base color on my roots (a dark ash blond). She notes before she does that whether I need highlights or lowlights. To get a really natural look with blond hair, it usually takes both high and low lights to do the trick. I get comments on my hair color all the time and people are shocked to find out it's color and not natural. Honestly, I'd be looking for another hair dresser. It sounds like either she can't figure out what to do with your hair or the organic isn't going to give the coverage you want/need. The fact that she keeps suggesting highlights after coloring comes across as her looking for a quick fix. Highlights aren't going to fix a bad base color. What I bolded has been my routine exactly for the past 15 years. When it would eventually get too blond, she would do the low lights, and then vice versa. It was wonderful.
I've been trying to figure out if I have some sort of mutant hair that absolutely can't be worked with, or the organic isn't working in my hair, or she thinks she's an organic specialist and I'm not sold that she is. Either way, her constant suggestion of highlights has definitely raised a red flag. I do highlights. I like highlights and then low lights, so I'm not against them. I've always done that. I'm not happy with my base color which highlights aren't going to hide, and she can't seem to get the base color even close to what I've always had.
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Post by Kerri W on Sept 30, 2019 15:58:36 GMT
Does the color on your gray hair beyond the roots fade out also for people? Also, when she went to shampoo me, she was rubbing the color from my roots all thru my hair and then washed it. I think she was trying to get some of the new color to mix in with the old. My hair is about 50% white (like serious snowy white) and 50% dark brown. I have it professionally colored every 4 weeks with Paul Mitchell permanent color. It doesn't wash out and I can only see my new growth when I get close to appointment time. I will say my roots get what my stylist calls "hot" where the virgin hair at the root takes the color a little differently/almost brighter than the rest of my hair, and that fades over a few washes. But my color in general does not wash out. My hair tends to grab color really dark on the ends so my stylist only applies color to the roots then pulls it through the rest of my hair with her hands at the end. She says it's a technique to give dimension to the color.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Sept 30, 2019 16:02:39 GMT
I had to switch from traditional hair dye due to developing an allergy to PPD. It's a chemical commonly found in most US-based hair dyes, but is banned in most European countries. A developing sensitivity to that may be what's causing your scalp irritation. Be careful. People have been known to go into anaphylactic shock from it. Google it for scary stories.
I have used a line called EcoColors for a couple of years now. It's PPD free. I have been beyond pleased with the results. They make a consumer line, but also a professional line only available to licensed cosmetologists. That's the line my hairdresser orders. I would describe my hair color very similar to yours. I started with blonde tones of the EcoColors, but they were too light. I've now been using "light brown 8N" for about a year and it's perfect -- still leaves plenty of blonde in my hair. The lasting power of it is very good. I go every six weeks. I do sit under a hot dryer with a plastic cap while it's on for best results. Then she combs it through from the roots and I sit a few more minutes just in a chair uncovered before she washes it out.
If you have any questions about EcoColors, I'd be happy to answer based on my experience.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Sept 30, 2019 16:44:48 GMT
I've been trying to figure out if I have some sort of mutant hair that absolutely can't be worked with, or the organic isn't working in my hair, or she thinks she's an organic specialist and I'm not sold that she is. Either way, her constant suggestion of highlights has definitely raised a red flag. I do highlights. I like highlights and then low lights, so I'm not against them. I've always done that. I'm not happy with my base color which highlights aren't going to hide, and she can't seem to get the base color even close to what I've always had. Seriously, it is time to find another stylist. Your hair is not a science experiment for her to figure out what to do. If she's getting worse, not better, with the base color, I'd hate to think what the next color would be. Instead of questioning the base color, she only tosses out "you need highlights" as an answer. I get that breakups are hard, but this is one that needs to happen IMO! Spongemom Scrappants - Thanks for the information on the EcoColors line. I plan to mention it to my stylist next time I see her. While I refuse to go gray, I'm all for anything that is healthier for my hair and myself.
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Post by deekaye on Sept 30, 2019 16:48:40 GMT
I have dark brown hair with reddish (natural) highlights and stubborn gray which I have colored every four weeks. It is an expense but I have done it for so long that I just add it to the budget as a "necessary" item.  Yes, my gray is stubborn and sometimes difficult to cover. My stylist is amazing and has learned what I need to make the color "stick", including sitting under the hairdryer for 10-15 minutes with the color on and also really working the color in around my face/ears.
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Post by busy on Sept 30, 2019 16:58:40 GMT
I would find a new stylist. It sounds like she needs to use a toner on your hair and also that you probably need to use a shampoo to reduce brassiness - which can definitely be a problem for blonde tones, regardless of the color line - but this shouldn't be an ongoing problem.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Sept 30, 2019 17:04:52 GMT
Do I have grey hair? Yes - I discovered my first grey in grade 7. Do I dye. No - like you I developed a sensitivity to the dye. I stopped dyeing it 9 years ago and it's been the best thing I could ever do for my hair.
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Post by likescarrots on Sept 30, 2019 17:21:43 GMT
About 8 years ago I was having a hard time getting the dye to stick. I switched to semi permanent dye and that seems to work better, however I think my biggest problem was hard water. I now do clarifying treatments before I dye to get the color to stay.
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Post by peasquared on Sept 30, 2019 17:23:49 GMT
I have what my stylist calls metallic highlights. 😁. Seriously it’s grey roots that now need to be colored every 4 weeks. Have you ever tried an Aveda salon? There products are all natural and wonderful. My greys are really stubborn, but the color holds well. If only it wouldn’t grow an inch a month, I’d be set.
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Post by tracyarts on Sept 30, 2019 17:42:09 GMT
I use henna. Body art quality henna is more permanent than "permanent" chemical based hair color. It covers my grays and keeps them covered.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Sept 30, 2019 17:49:44 GMT
I use henna. Body art quality henna is more permanent than "permanent" chemical based hair color. It covers my grays and keeps them covered. True henna is one thing. But I'll just add to this thread that it was what's called "black henna" that got me in trouble in the first place. On a family cruise, four of went and got temporary 'for fun' henna tattoos while in one of the ports. Turns out the black dye they use for those contains PPD (para-phenylenediamine). I had an anchor tattooed on my upper arm and by that night it was red, hot, and quite irritated. The next morning I awoke to my arm looking as if someone had impressed the tattoo it with a hot branding iron. The skin was inflamed and oozing. Awful. If you are noticing ANY irritation or sensitivity to hair dye, DO NOT get one of those temporary tattoos. My PSA for today.
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Post by Peal on Sept 30, 2019 18:00:00 GMT
I have blond hair that lightens easily but doesn't grab color. So grey is hard to cover and it's hard to make my hair go dark because the color falls out in a couple of weeks. It also really tends to pick up the red and brassy tones every time I do any type of coloring. My stylist recommend I use a purple shampoo last time and it has done a really good job keeping the brassy out of it. I use it three to four times a week. That's what I would recommend.
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Post by gottapeanow on Sept 30, 2019 18:25:25 GMT
My hair is not really gray but practically white. Sigh. But I am no way ready to go gray.
I agree with peasquared and do the same. I go to an Aveeda salon every six weeks. My appointment is tomorrow. I have a landing strip. Whenever I think I'll push out the date a bit, 1) my roots are horrid and 2) I have an event, so it needs to be colored.
I go to an Aveeda salon. Only my roots need to be colored. The gray doesn't show at all in the rest of my hair.
Lisa
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 18:35:43 GMT
I have white highlights, I go in about once a year and have more highlights added.
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Post by Lexica on Sept 30, 2019 19:38:29 GMT
My hair started out very white/blonde as a child. Then as I aged, it turned darker so I started adding highlights. When the “unpigmented” hair (which is what my stylist called it) finally started coming in, it was more white than grey. I was going to leave it alone because the white was so similar to my original color but I had an urge one afternoon and used a box of L’Oréal hair dye on it. It completely covered they grayish bits and the white bits turned a little more yellowish, like a very light blonde color which worked well. I really like it, especially since the roots are no longer coming in dark, but I kind of wish I had left it alone because I just had my way too long hair all cut off again and I think it would be totally natural with all the dyed hair having been cut off.
I will try to just let the white/grey do its thing now. If anything, I may get a wild streak one afternoon and decide to color it two more times to use up the two boxes of L’Oréal hair dye in my cupboard and then quit.
I have never reacted with a dye product, either from a salon or boxed to use at home, so you may have different results. I wouldn’t recommend doing anything to it so soon after a coloring, unless you let your stylist have another go. I fear doing much more, especially with a regular dye, might burn your hair.
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 30, 2019 19:53:58 GMT
I have what my stylist calls metallic highlights. 😁. Seriously it’s grey roots that now need to be colored every 4 weeks. Have you ever tried an Aveda salon? There products are all natural and wonderful. My greys are really stubborn, but the color holds well. If only it wouldn’t grow an inch a month, I’d be set. My best color experiences have been with an Aveda salon. The quick color fade out and brassy hair led me to go natural for several years. I was fine with my gray, but bored with my hair and on a whim decided to color it purple a couple years ago. I didn't stick with purple (although I loved it  ), but did stay with color and the Aveda products are completely worth it IMHO.
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Post by tracyarts on Sept 30, 2019 19:54:34 GMT
It's just 100% ground up dried henna plant. Body art quality, or BAQ is highly refined pure henna powder. It has a finer sift and mixes up creamier. Not only better for elaborate skin designs, but easier to wash out of hair. All real henna is orange-red. But some crops of henna have a higher lawsone content, the compound in the plant that gives it staining power. High lawsone henna will stain more of a deep rust color, and even getting into a deep cherrywood color with some cooler burgundy tones. I've seen pure henna that stained a very, very deep maroon color, but not quite black. I use one that is about middle of the road between bright orange and burgundy. I get it from hennaforhair.com It has enough stain to completely cover my gray but not enough to give cooler burgundy tones. I used to use one that gave very deep almost purplish tones with multiple layers, but warm tones suit me better, so I switched. I use henna. Body art quality henna is more permanent than "permanent" chemical based hair color. It covers my grays and keeps them covered. True henna is one thing. But I'll just add to this thread that it was what's called "black henna" that got me in trouble in the first place. On a family cruise, four of went and got temporary 'for fun' henna tattoos while in one of the ports. Turns out the black dye they use for those contains PPD (para-phenylenediamine). I had an anchor tattooed on my upper arm and by that night it was red, hot, and quite irritated. The next morning I awoke to my arm looking as if someone had impressed the tattoo it with a hot branding iron. The skin was inflamed and oozing. Awful. If you are noticing ANY irritation or sensitivity to hair dye, DO NOT get one of those temporary tattoos. My PSA for today.
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Post by scrappinmama on Sept 30, 2019 20:15:00 GMT
I used to get my hair colored every 6 weeks. About 10 years ago I started to do it myself. The color lasts about 4 weeks. If you have a Sally Beauty in your area, then can advice you on a dye that would work better for you.
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Post by kelly8875 on Sept 30, 2019 20:48:17 GMT
I get my roots done every 4 weeks. I’m probably 80% gray with dark brown hair naturally, so the gray realllllllllly shows as a stripe when I need to go in. My color does not fade as my hair grows out. I have long hair, down to my bra back strap.
I think my avatar pic is from a long time ago when I had more highlights, so don’t look at that lol.
I would find a new stylist, because a good one can get it right. Sounds like yours isn’t taking the time to get it done the way it should be.
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Post by Neisey on Sept 30, 2019 20:57:59 GMT
I am about 35 to 40% gray, mostly the top and sides. My natural color is light brown with some lighter and some auburn tones. I’ve been dying my own hair for at least 15 years with a seven dollar box of Garnier Fructise. It covers my gray very well but my hair grows really fast so I recolour I every four weeks. I have had my hair professionally coloured every now and then if I want highlights and every hairdresser has commented on how well my color suits . I Don’t have any sensitivities so I can’t speak to that, but I love being able to do my hair at my convenience in the comfort of my home.
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Post by mikklynn on Sept 30, 2019 21:26:01 GMT
I agree, you need a new stylist.
I have dark brown hair that is probably 30% gray. It's quite short, so I get a cut and color every 5 weeks.
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