kelly8875
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Post by kelly8875 on Sept 30, 2019 20:36:07 GMT
If you were hired to make changes, then do it. If you’re in charge, then it doesn’t matter. Obviously none of the others were qualified for the job you were hired for, so their opinions don’t count much now. Plus, the way it was isn’t working, so change is necessary.
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Post by annaintx on Sept 30, 2019 20:50:01 GMT
We are in the middle of massive changes at my work place. I am most upset that no one has told me anything. All they say is, "We're going to change your job, but we aren't sure yet to what, and we won't tell you what we're changing it to until the job description comes out." We found out more reliable info through the grapevine than from the bosses directly. If you are going to make changes, PLEASE talk to them directly, maybe even ask if there are things they would or wouldn't change and why? At the end of the day, yes you are the boss, but I would be so much more on board if the higher ups would have at least talked to us directly about it and made it at least seem like they value my opinion and ideas. I've been there 15 years now, I've seen a lot of shit, and I could have helped them avoid some problems if they had just talked to me. I am a professional and I wish they would treat me like one, not like some clueless idiot. I know more about my job than anyone on campus b/c I'm the ONLY ONE WHO DOES IT.
/rant.
Sorry about that, I'm just really fed up with work right now.
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Post by *KAS* on Sept 30, 2019 21:00:51 GMT
If you were hired to make changes, then do it. If you’re in charge, then it doesn’t matter. Obviously none of the others were qualified for the job you were hired for, so their opinions don’t count much now. Plus, the way it was isn’t working, so change is necessary. I mean, it DOES matter, if she doesn't want a resentful, hostile work force. Change is necessary, but there's a much better way to go about it than this if you want to be an effective leader in a company. You can make uncomfortable changes without alienating the staff you need to help do the job.
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Post by annaintx on Sept 30, 2019 21:19:44 GMT
If you were hired to make changes, then do it. If you’re in charge, then it doesn’t matter. Obviously none of the others were qualified for the job you were hired for, so their opinions don’t count much now. Plus, the way it was isn’t working, so change is necessary. I mean, it DOES matter, if she doesn't want a resentful, hostile work force. Change is necessary, but there's a much better way to go about it than this if you want to be an effective leader in a company. You can make uncomfortable changes without alienating the staff you need to help do the job. This times a million.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 22:00:25 GMT
I think it's really a little of both. There are certain things that might not be able to wait especially when it comes to finance. Those things should be changed immediately if they are really poor practices and may result in financial loss or potential penalties/fines. Other things that can wait can be hashed out in a department meeting with input from those who actually do the work.
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Post by MichyM on Sept 30, 2019 22:04:48 GMT
You've been gone longer than you were there. There are obviously a lot of problems that need to be addressed, but the real problems may not be what they seem to be at first blush. I would take a measured approach to change. I would start with getting to know the concerns of the existing employees. Boss or not, if you want this to be successful, you need to have them onboard. And they have been there in the past six years, so they have some insight and knowledge you may not yet. It will also set you up with a better working relationship with them, which will make your department more successful in the long run. Don't be a dictator off the bat. Be a collaborative leader. You will likely find you'll get better results. I always appreciate your level-headed reply to posts like these.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 22:26:03 GMT
If you were hired to make changes, then do it. If you’re in charge, then it doesn’t matter. Obviously none of the others were qualified for the job you were hired for, so their opinions don’t count much now. Plus, the way it was isn’t working, so change is necessary. THat is less obvious than you think. Sometimes very qualified people don't apply for a move up when they know the chaos is from above and not actually within the department. Business owners and CEO types can make policy that a mid level manager can't alter even though she has been told to do it. Before making changes a wise manager will find out what isn't working and why before hauling off and just making changes. From reading this thread I can tell who has never worked a professional job, or is the dicator manager that gets a lot of hate. People in financial offices generally have educations and job skills that make it much easier for them to walk off one job and into another one. Or she can end up with a team that is routinely undermining her. You can't treat professionals like they are a bunch of brainless highschool kids.
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Post by mommc23 on Sept 30, 2019 22:36:09 GMT
There is some very good advice in this thread.
I generally follow the rule that people don’t care what you know until they know that you care. You can walk in as a dictator and change everything, but there are also consequences to handling things that way. Ideally, your group is working as a team. If you want their expertise and their desire to help make it a better place, then valuing their input and validating their experience will go a long way.
For the many jobs I’ve had in my life, my favorite were the ones where their was an office cohesiveness and ability to count on your cohorts. I can handle just about any crappy work experience, but if I don’t like who I work with and for...it’s pretty miserable.
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Post by busy on Sept 30, 2019 22:37:43 GMT
You've been gone longer than you were there. There are obviously a lot of problems that need to be addressed, but the real problems may not be what they seem to be at first blush. I would take a measured approach to change. I would start with getting to know the concerns of the existing employees. Boss or not, if you want this to be successful, you need to have them onboard. And they have been there in the past six years, so they have some insight and knowledge you may not yet. It will also set you up with a better working relationship with them, which will make your department more successful in the long run. Don't be a dictator off the bat. Be a collaborative leader. You will likely find you'll get better results. I always appreciate your level-headed reply to posts like these. Awww, thanks
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Post by littlemama on Sept 30, 2019 22:52:46 GMT
It will go better if you listen to the employees and ask a bunch of questions. If you go in with the "Im the boss and what I say goes", you arent going to have any employees left, which will reflect poorly on you as a manager.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Oct 1, 2019 12:07:55 GMT
For me, go in with one small change at a time. My approach would be to sit with each person. Ask them for their process manual, then ask them to walk you through the main points of their job. Ask questions, especially about where things are easier or more complicated than documented. “Why do you...”. A lot of times, it is that the procedure tells them to, but the reason may no longer be relevant.
Then pick 2-3 changes. One can be significant, but the other two should be easy. Give those a week or two to settle in, and look for your next opportunity.
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Post by pierkiss on Oct 1, 2019 12:38:45 GMT
If you are the boss make your changes now and put your system in place to bring order back to the department. Take care of your bosses by making your department run smoothly and successfully. Chaos is not good for anyone.
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Post by Prenticekid on Oct 1, 2019 17:10:34 GMT
I deplore the idea that employees are to be treated like sh*t just because they are employees. How about they are human beings and need to be treated like human beings? Change is hard no matter who you are. No one wants something summarily rammed down their throats. Having things explained, undergoing training, allowing for some input...these are all good things which have been proven to lead to better productivity. Figure out what you want to do first, tell them what you are doing, explain the changes and the reasons for them, then judiciously employ the changes. Some will struggle more than others, but that is something else entirely to deal with when it occurs on a case by case basis. Have a plan to work with that as well. Managing people is a skill as well. Be good at that, and the rest of it will work out.
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Post by pancakes on Oct 1, 2019 18:07:00 GMT
You've been gone longer than you were there. There are obviously a lot of problems that need to be addressed, but the real problems may not be what they seem to be at first blush. I would take a measured approach to change. I would start with getting to know the concerns of the existing employees. Boss or not, if you want this to be successful, you need to have them onboard. And they have been there in the past six years, so they have some insight and knowledge you may not yet. It will also set you up with a better working relationship with them, which will make your department more successful in the long run. Don't be a dictator off the bat. Be a collaborative leader. You will likely find you'll get better results. Totally agree. What you want to do might be the right answer. But you might also learn some info that you wouldn't have previously known that could factor into your change management. Also, if anything, talking to existing employees will at least make them feel heard. The more they feel they contributed to the process, the better and easier time you'll have with buy in.
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Post by gramma on Oct 1, 2019 19:31:46 GMT
Coming in as a newbie at the "top of the food chain" is a mine field. Yes you are there to make change.
Some things may need to be changed right now, now questions asked. When I started this job several year ago I found out on the first payday I was there that employee paychecks were placed in their open office mail rack. No envelopes, just the checks. Right out in the open. I implemented a change before the next payday. No questions asked, just did it. I explained why, but did it. Finance Manager had a signature stamp that she kept in an unlocked desk drawer. Several people had access to the check stock and her stamp. Boom! Changed that!
Then there are other changes that may need to be made that are not so "hot button" or are mandates from the owners. If from the owners there should be a discussion and a time line established.
Then I'd call a department meeting and ask each employee to give you a list of 5 things they would like to see changed with a deadline to get their info to you. I never meet with one employee at a time about department changes. Changes in their own tasks - yes. Department wide - no.
Then take a day or two to take in all the information and develop a plan.
Then another department meeting to announce the changes and time line.
This way everyone feels that they got input into the decisions.
Good Luck!
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Post by needmysanity on Oct 2, 2019 19:01:25 GMT
Thanks everyone for the advice and input. It's been a busy couple of days so I haven't had a chance to sit down and reply.
I have spent the last 2 days getting to know my staff and also getting more input from the owners of the company. I have 2 staff at one location and 3 at the other. The locations are run totally different because of geographical location and economic level of the clients. None of that really affects my job or the changes I would like to make but it's been interesting seeing and hearing they WHY's behind all of that.
I have been honest with my staff that the changes I want to make are more procedural than anything. And that if we make the changes and they don't work I have no problems tying something else. I have picked up on the person I replaced was more dictatorship than I am and they really didn't have much say in how things were done. So...I'm already earning points because I am asking for their input and opinion on some things.
Again...thanks for all the replies!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 19:29:50 GMT
Thanks everyone for the advice and input. It's been a busy couple of days so I haven't had a chance to sit down and reply. I have spent the last 2 days getting to know my staff and also getting more input from the owners of the company. I have 2 staff at one location and 3 at the other. The locations are run totally different because of geographical location and economic level of the clients. None of that really affects my job or the changes I would like to make but it's been interesting seeing and hearing they WHY's behind all of that. I have been honest with my staff that the changes I want to make are more procedural than anything. And that if we make the changes and they don't work I have no problems tying something else. I have picked up on the person I replaced was more dictatorship than I am and they really didn't have much say in how things were done. So...I'm already earning points because I am asking for their input and opinion on some things. Again...thanks for all the replies! Sounds like you are off to a great start. Your staff now knows you are interested in how this impacts them and willing to hear them. To me that makes the entire world of difference in how I feel about my supervisor.
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Post by Megan on Oct 2, 2019 20:27:45 GMT
Call a staff meeting to listen to everyone’s concerns (maybe they think you’ll be cutting positions?)
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