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Post by needmysanity on Sept 30, 2019 16:57:50 GMT
I started a new-ish job today. I worked at this company for 5 years (2008-2013) then left and now I am back. Same position but the company has doubled in size and so has my staff. I have spent the last 2 months transitioning back to the job - working with the person I am replacing on Fridays. The owners are like "do whatever you want and do it fast". The finance department is a disaster and they have total faith in me to start making changes now.
However... I'm picking up on a weird vibe from a couple of the staff that they like things the way they were (ie: total chaos). The changes I want to make aren't drastic but will change the flow of things so I want to be respectful of their tenure here.
So how long do I wait to make the changes?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 17:00:25 GMT
Are you their boss? If so, who cares when you make the changes? You are in charge. If you were hired to make changes, then make them. Just do them one at a time if you can.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 17:01:59 GMT
If you need to make changes to make processes more efficient and stable for the business then tenure should not make a difference. However, you can bring the more tenured colleagues into your office and ask their opinion on the changes. If they say no to your proposed changes you can ask them "why" so you at least understanding each other. To me that shows respect, too.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Sept 30, 2019 17:03:56 GMT
Use the "snatch the bandaid off quickly" approach. It sounds as if you were hired to straighten things out and have the full authority to do so.
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Post by leeny on Sept 30, 2019 17:04:47 GMT
Did the owners actually say what is wrong and what they wanted changed? I've always waited a bit to figure out the big picture. Why are things being done the way they are, how will the changes affect processes. I would establish a positive relationship with those who are being affected so I had their buy in. If the owners were specific with their request, then that gives you a bit more leverage, unless they are using you as the scapegoat because they were too afraid to make the changes themselves.
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Post by busy on Sept 30, 2019 17:15:14 GMT
You've been gone longer than you were there. There are obviously a lot of problems that need to be addressed, but the real problems may not be what they seem to be at first blush.
I would take a measured approach to change. I would start with getting to know the concerns of the existing employees. Boss or not, if you want this to be successful, you need to have them onboard. And they have been there in the past six years, so they have some insight and knowledge you may not yet. It will also set you up with a better working relationship with them, which will make your department more successful in the long run.
Don't be a dictator off the bat. Be a collaborative leader. You will likely find you'll get better results.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Sept 30, 2019 17:24:54 GMT
I completely agree with busy. The whole, I'm the boss, changing things right away is not going to go over well. You want them to respect you and work WITH you, not against you. So listen to them. I've been at the same place for 35 yrs. Trust me, I've seen plenty of managers, dr's, CEOs, etc, come in and it's a cycle, it just goes back to the beginning again. So ask what's worked before, what hasn't. How they feel. reassure them that change is hard, but it's worth a try together, to make things work better and have the Co secede, etc.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Sept 30, 2019 17:28:54 GMT
Go for it. You work for the company, not for them. If they can't adapt, maybe it is time for them to move on.
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Post by The Birdhouse Lady on Sept 30, 2019 17:32:35 GMT
Personally I would sit back and evaluate what is going on. Ask the employees what is working well and what is not working at all. Have them be part of the solution. I think that is a way better approach than coming in hot and changing everything. They will be resentful if you do this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 17:37:01 GMT
You've been gone longer than you were there. There are obviously a lot of problems that need to be addressed, but the real problems may not be what they seem to be at first blush. I would take a measured approach to change. I would start with getting to know the concerns of the existing employees. Boss or not, if you want this to be successful, you need to have them onboard. And they have been there in the past six years, so they have some insight and knowledge you may not yet. It will also set you up with a better working relationship with them, which will make your department more successful in the long run. Don't be a dictator off the bat. Be a collaborative leader. You will likely find you'll get better results. THis^^^^
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 17:37:28 GMT
Use the "snatch the bandaid off quickly" approach. It sounds as if you were hired to straighten things out and have the full authority to do so.  I feel that by doing that you also show you have the authority (not hitting them over the head, but showing you can make changes) and hopefully they get onboard.
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Post by snyder on Sept 30, 2019 17:40:17 GMT
I always got more receptive responses if I had a staff meeting and asked for their input. A group effort in solving the problems with your guidance. When they feel you care about how they feel, change will be easier for them. Having a group discussion, maybe they will understand how or why things could work better another way. Of course there is always that one or two that dig their heels in and then you send them to change management classes. lol Congrats and good luck with your newish job.
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Post by scrapngranny on Sept 30, 2019 17:40:53 GMT
You were brought in to fix the finance department. If you have to make changes to do that, do it. When presenting the changes to the staff, ask them to give it a try for 3 months, at that point the changes will be re-evaluated and tweaked as necessary.
Good luck with the new job.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 17:40:56 GMT
I started a new-ish job today. I worked at this company for 5 years (2008-2013) then left and now I am back. Same position but the company has doubled in size and so has my staff. I have spent the last 2 months transitioning back to the job - working with the person I am replacing on Fridays. The owners are like "do whatever you want and do it fast". The finance department is a disaster and they have total faith in me to start making changes now. However... I'm picking up on a weird vibe from a couple of the staff that they like things the way they were (ie: total chaos). The changes I want to make aren't drastic but will change the flow of things so I want to be respectful of their tenure here. So how long do I wait to make the changes? It is not about how long to wait, but how to change. Talk with the staff, find out what works for THEM and why it works. Part of me thinks the chaos may be hiding some embezzlement. But I also know when I've had someone come in and make changes without asking why things are done the way they are and the impact proposed changes have on my job it can raise a lot of resentment. Go at it from a collaborative aspect of making things work for everyone.
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Post by supersoda on Sept 30, 2019 17:46:25 GMT
A finance department that is in chaos would have me concerned about fraud or embezzlement. But I was at a presentation about that last week and those stories are still reeling through my head.
Aside from those concerns, I would be measured but firm. My staff has historically been very resistant to change and doesn’t understand why the way it’s always been doesn’t work anymore. A few years ago I forced through a new accounting and bookkeeping system and while there was A LOT of resistance, they eventually realized it was much more efficient than the far outdated system they had been using for 30 years. Going paperless was another bug change, but nobody misses filing!
Good luck!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 30, 2019 17:59:33 GMT
I think how you go about it is important and would make a huge difference in how things are perceived.
I can be resistant to change. I have learned that through experiences with one of my current jobs. I am PT at that job. The agency started off very small (still is, but was just a few of us at first--me and the owner, and a few other very PT people that have come and gone). The owner is horrible with the administrative duties. Over the years she has apparently delegated those duties to others (once was the office manager and more recently she has hired a person who was an intern to help with this). Both times she failed to tell the rest of us that these other people had any authority to make changes in how things were done, so when they all of a sudden make these changes, it was not well received. Some of the changes made it very difficult for me to do the job in the capacity that I do (PT, while working another job) and changed things that may not have made sense for an outsider or for a larger agency with FT people working there. But the changes were completely tone deaf to WHY they were the way they were.
The most recent situation happened a few weeks ago. On reflection, I think if the owner had said, "Intern has experience managing businesses and I think she is a great asset to building the agency My goals are xyz. I am hiring her to help with x duties and look forward to your input in making these changes." This would have given me a chance to become used to the idea of change, think about what changes, if any, I see as necessary, etc (In this situation the intern did approach me to talk about what changes I would like to see, but I was so taken off guard by the whole conversation because I had no idea that she was in that position).
If people think that you are listening to them and have their best interest in mind (along with the company's), they will be more receptive to change.
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Post by disneypal on Sept 30, 2019 18:04:31 GMT
So how long do I wait to make the changes? In t his situation, you don't wait. Since you've been transitioning to the position for 2 months, you've had time to think about the changes needed. Plus, the leadership hired you because they expected you to make changes that will improve the situation.
Some people are resistant to change so I would just explain to them the changes that are going to be made and WHY - sometimes just understanding the why, helps people accept it. Good luck on your new position!
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Post by christinec68 on Sept 30, 2019 18:10:11 GMT
Use the "snatch the bandaid off quickly" approach. It sounds as if you were hired to straighten things out and have the full authority to do so.  I feel that by doing that you also show you have the authority (not hitting them over the head, but showing you can make changes) and hopefully they get onboard. This is the approach I would take as well. Work with everyone’s skill set but if the dept is in recognizable chaos, procedures in place are not working and need to be revised. Good luck!
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Sept 30, 2019 18:12:18 GMT
Call this out when you meet with those staff members. "This process seems chaotic to me. Maybe I have something to learn about the process so it seems less chaotic to me. Can you walk me through how you make it work?"
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Post by freebird on Sept 30, 2019 18:39:10 GMT
I started a new-ish job today. I worked at this company for 5 years (2008-2013) then left and now I am back. Same position but the company has doubled in size and so has my staff. I have spent the last 2 months transitioning back to the job - working with the person I am replacing on Fridays. The owners are like "do whatever you want and do it fast". The finance department is a disaster and they have total faith in me to start making changes now. However... I'm picking up on a weird vibe from a couple of the staff that they like things the way they were (ie: total chaos). The changes I want to make aren't drastic but will change the flow of things so I want to be respectful of their tenure here. So how long do I wait to make the changes? Bolded is the answer. They are the boss, not the staff. If we waited around to do what everyone agreed on, it would never be done. You don't have to be a jerk about it, changes can come with kindness. If they don't like it, too bad so sad. Otherwise, they will adapt (probably quickly), so they can keep their jobs.
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Post by Jessica on Sept 30, 2019 19:10:20 GMT
You've gotten some good advice about making changes and change management. A leader I worked for once told me..."effectiveness equals the quality of the solution plus the acceptance of the users" and that has always stuck with me. Good luck.
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Post by busy on Sept 30, 2019 19:36:41 GMT
I started a new-ish job today. I worked at this company for 5 years (2008-2013) then left and now I am back. Same position but the company has doubled in size and so has my staff. I have spent the last 2 months transitioning back to the job - working with the person I am replacing on Fridays. The owners are like "do whatever you want and do it fast". The finance department is a disaster and they have total faith in me to start making changes now. However... I'm picking up on a weird vibe from a couple of the staff that they like things the way they were (ie: total chaos). The changes I want to make aren't drastic but will change the flow of things so I want to be respectful of their tenure here. So how long do I wait to make the changes? Bolded is the answer. They are the boss, not the staff. If we waited around to do what everyone agreed on, it would never be done. You don't have to be a jerk about it, changes can come with kindness. If they don't like it, too bad so sad. Otherwise, they will adapt (probably quickly), so they can keep their jobs. There's a big difference between waiting for everyone to agree - which is neither viable nor desirable - and being sure you have the information you need (some of which will come from existing employees) to make the *right* changes. That takes some time. The bosses allowed things to get to the chaotic point it is today before they made a change. Of course they now want it fixed yesterday, but if they want it fixed properly, they need to allow a thorough process of discovery and gradual implementation. Asserting positional authority to make sweeping changes is rarely the answer.
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Post by mrssmith on Sept 30, 2019 19:38:29 GMT
I agree with getting input, but go into the meeting knowing how you want to fix the process. Don't let them take control and push to keep doing it the way they have. You can get input but firmly guide towards your solution. It's tricky, but you have the backing of the bosses.
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Post by busy on Sept 30, 2019 19:45:35 GMT
You can get input but firmly guide towards your solution. IME, if you go in assuming your solution is correct, you've already lost. You can't just be looking to confirm your bias. You have to genuinely gather information (from a variety of sources, including staff) and THEN make decisions. Otherwise, you are often solving the wrong problem(s).
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Post by auntkelly on Sept 30, 2019 19:51:54 GMT
If you haven't already done so, I would talk to your employees on a one-on-one basis, or in small groups and ask them for their input about which processes they believe are working well and which ones they think need to be changed and why. I would make it clear up front that while you value their opinion and are interested in their honest opinions, you are the one who will be making the final decision as to what processes will be implemented and which ones will be done away with.
I would implement the changes as soon as possible and I would do it all at once. Good luck!
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 30, 2019 20:13:04 GMT
I started a new-ish job today. I worked at this company for 5 years (2008-2013) then left and now I am back. Same position but the company has doubled in size and so has my staff. I have spent the last 2 months transitioning back to the job - working with the person I am replacing on Fridays. The owners are like "do whatever you want and do it fast". The finance department is a disaster and they have total faith in me to start making changes now. However... I'm picking up on a weird vibe from a couple of the staff that they like things the way they were (ie: total chaos). The changes I want to make aren't drastic but will change the flow of things so I want to be respectful of their tenure here. So how long do I wait to make the changes? Did you work with them previously? IME, employees who like chaos use it to create a power base/fiefdom within the department and/or the illusion they are busier/more critical to the organization than they really are and/or embezeling could be at play. I'd look at the motivation of the employees to keep things the way they are. First full time week on the job is the time to get input from these employees as to what works and what doesn't, and what they see as solutions before you starting implementing changes.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 30, 2019 20:13:26 GMT
The owners are like "do whatever you want and do it fast". The finance department is a disaster and they have total faith in me to start making changes now. I think you answered your own question. If the owners had wanted the chaos to remain, they’d have promoted on if those people instead of hiring you back or something like that Go for it. ( But be right )
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Post by flanz on Sept 30, 2019 20:22:13 GMT
You've been gone longer than you were there. There are obviously a lot of problems that need to be addressed, but the real problems may not be what they seem to be at first blush. I would take a measured approach to change. I would start with getting to know the concerns of the existing employees. Boss or not, if you want this to be successful, you need to have them onboard. And they have been there in the past six years, so they have some insight and knowledge you may not yet. It will also set you up with a better working relationship with them, which will make your department more successful in the long run. Don't be a dictator off the bat. Be a collaborative leader. You will likely find you'll get better results. Well I'm not a manager of staff but this sounds like brilliant advice!
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Post by mrssmith on Sept 30, 2019 20:24:07 GMT
You can get input but firmly guide towards your solution. IME, if you go in assuming your solution is correct, you've already lost. You can't just be looking to confirm your bias. You have to genuinely gather information (from a variety of sources, including staff) and THEN make decisions. Otherwise, you are often solving the wrong problem(s). I assume she's been gathering info over the past 2 months. Gathering info is great if it makes them feel like part of the process, but it sounds to me like some of the problems are known by bosses and OP already. I'm probably not explaining clearly - mostly I'm trying to say don't make it sound like it's going to be a group decision. It's her (and the bosses' decision) ultimately.
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Post by *KAS* on Sept 30, 2019 20:35:41 GMT
I agree with all of Busy's posts if you want to have effective change.
I would likely schedule a meeting with the team and tell them that you were tasked by the owners to simplify and clean up some processes and that you've spent the last couple of months learning how things operate to be able to make a recommendation. Then tell them you've identified a few areas you would like to change and why, but then ask them for their input. Why things are done a certain way and listen to their answers. Then roll out your solutions and ask for feedback. Ultimately it's not their process to change - it's yours, with the leaders of the company - but it's always better to have a team behind you than against you. If they don't like it, they may have some choices to make for themselves, but being a dictator in business rarely is the answer.
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