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Post by Olan on Oct 13, 2019 22:29:53 GMT
What the actual hell? I don't know what protocol states, but if this is it, it's beyond messed up. (And I don't just mean the shooting part, but the prowling around without identification, etc.) And yeah, that poor neighbor. Bet he never calls the police for anything again. I bet he feels such a load of undeserved guilt. 2 years ago I posted my feelings about how counterproductive policing in black communities was becoming because many of us are too afraid to call the police. For those of you who mentioned how sorry you feel for police in this “gun culture” please be mindful of who has the biggest propensity for mass shootings and ambushing/killing police officers. It’s not black people. |
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Post by mrssmith on Oct 13, 2019 22:44:35 GMT
Could he not just ring the doorbell? Is the standard for a wellness check, even if a door is open at 2:00 am, to prowl around with a gun drawn?
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Post by Olan on Oct 13, 2019 22:47:17 GMT
Could he not just ring the doorbell? Is the standard for a wellness check, even if a door is open at 2:00 am, to prowl around with a gun drawn? In black communities protocol is often abandoned. We pay taxes like everyone else but get treated much differently in essence funding our abuse. |
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Post by mrssmith on Oct 13, 2019 22:49:23 GMT
Could he not just ring the doorbell? Is the standard for a wellness check, even if a door is open at 2:00 am, to prowl around with a gun drawn? In black communities protocol is often abandoned. We pay taxes like everyone else but get treated much differently in essence funding our abuse. Oh, I know. It was mostly a rhetorical question. I'm sorry this happened and that there is another trauma added to the collective history of Black Americans. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 23:58:09 GMT
I'm just getting more and more mad about this. Now the police are saying that they found a gun in the residence (but not whether or not she had it on her when she was shot) and it seems like they're trying to build the "she was a threat" angle. SO WHAT??? As much as I wish guns weren't legal, they are. And if she heard a prowler in her backyard, it's entirely reasonable for her to have had her gun while checking it out. Hell, if she'd shot him - the prowler with a weapon who never identified himself as police - she could have claimed "stand your ground." (I'm sure the police would have been, "yeah, you're right, you were acting legally and within your rights, no charges will be filed." hahaahhahahahah) This all such absolute bullshit. I don't think they could get away with the gun threat. According to some reports the gun was on the nightstand, they found it when they entered the house. It would be a miracle if she managed to put the gun on the nightstand AFTER she's been shot dead at the window. By mentioning the gun they are working on planting doubt in the minds of the public IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 0:08:16 GMT
WARNING - part of this video is very uncomfortable to watch. This is the body cam video that was released by the police dept showing the officers walking round the outside of the house with flashlights. |
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Post by Mary Kay Lady on Oct 14, 2019 1:47:45 GMT
I citizen has the right to be in their own home regardless of the time of day with the lights on and the door open. I am curious as to why the neighbors would think the lights on and the inside door opened was worthy of calling the police in the first place. The screen door was shut, it was just the inside door left open. Doesn't seem very "well check" worthy to be honest. I agree. And I would think that a welfare check would mean that you knock on the door and call out to see if someone would answer. If someone had broken into the home in order to rob it I don't think that they'd enter through the front door, leave it open and turn on all the lights. I'm not very familiar with this neighborhood, but I think the area is considered a rougher area of Ft Worth. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 14, 2019 3:11:33 GMT
I citizen has the right to be in their own home regardless of the time of day with the lights on and the door open. I am curious as to why the neighbors would think the lights on and the inside door opened was worthy of calling the police in the first place. The screen door was shut, it was just the inside door left open. Doesn't seem very "well check" worthy to be honest. I disagree—my parents neighbors came home at 2:30 a.m. and noticed my parents inside door wide open, lights on, called for a wellness check and it was a good thing. My mom had passed out from her health issues. |
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Oct 14, 2019 9:17:03 GMT
This makes me sick. She was murdered in her home. I hope that disgusting, spineless, piece of shit police officer is charged with murder, and rots away the rest of his years.
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Post by casii on Oct 14, 2019 15:35:48 GMT
I hope that cop is convicted for murder. No hugs, no expectation of Black forgiveness. Until public outrage becomes so uncomfortable for the culture of violence towards people of color, cop culture won't change. And yes, I have family and former students who are in law enforcement. Most are wonderful, but if I'm being honest, there is one who has no business being a cop considering his abusive behavior.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 14, 2019 19:26:57 GMT
The cop resigned (before he could be fired). 4 seconds... “Put your hands up! Show me your hands!” he shouts through the window, his gun drawn. He then fires a single shot through the window. In the video, he does not identify himself as an officer. Jefferson was playing video games with her nephew when they heard what they believed to be a prowler outside, her relatives’ attorney said. When she went to the window to see what was going on, she was shot, the attorney said. Police said that the officer, who joined the department in April 2018, saw a person standing inside the house near a window. “Perceiving a threat, the officer drew his duty weapon and fired one shot striking the person inside the residence,” the department said in a news release. “Officers entered the residence locating the individual and a firearm and began providing emergency medical care.” Read more here: www.star-telegram.com/news/local/fort-worth/article236067328.html#storylink=cpyThis is what just pisses me off. Within 4 seconds— He never gave any time to for her to respond or see anything. And the bullshit (original?) statement made by the department “locating the individual and a firearm” already setting the stage for their defense. Assholes. |
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Post by scrappinmama on Oct 14, 2019 21:29:19 GMT
This cop better go to prison. This was murder in cold blood.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Oct 14, 2019 21:32:17 GMT
CNN says he may faces criminal charges. May. If this doesn’t warrant charges, what does?
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Post by flanz on Oct 14, 2019 21:32:19 GMT
They haven’t *become* anything. It’s always been this way.. We just hear about it now. Thank goodness we hear about it! Thank goodness they can't "back room" it and make it go away while pretending the distraught families are just being "overly emotional". To make change, first you have to ACCEPT that there is a problem. I hope the scales continue to fall from the eyes of the white and privileged who have, for decades, denied we have a problem. Yes, you are so right, @zingermack! WE are the ones with the problem. We don't have to behave in racist ways to own that. What we do need to do is to be actively anti-racist. |
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Post by flanz on Oct 14, 2019 21:35:55 GMT
What the actual hell? I don't know what protocol states, but if this is it, it's beyond messed up. (And I don't just mean the shooting part, but the prowling around without identification, etc.) And yeah, that poor neighbor. Bet he never calls the police for anything again. I bet he feels such a load of undeserved guilt. PTSD, I'm guessing. I'm sorry for him as well as for the innocent victim and her sweet young nephew who witnessed the horror of her murder. |
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Post by flanz on Oct 14, 2019 21:40:12 GMT
This cop better go to prison. This was murder in cold blood. There is rarely justice for black and brown victims of police brutality. GRRR! |
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Post by busy on Oct 15, 2019 0:26:49 GMT
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Post by flanz on Oct 15, 2019 4:29:18 GMT
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Oct 15, 2019 4:45:55 GMT
Still fucked up but at least there’s a chance for actual consequences for the shooter.
I really feel for the neighbor who called for a welfare check. I’d heard he knew someone living at the house was in the hospital and wanted to check on the other residents. To be the guy that did the right thing have it lead to a dead neighbor killed by the cop responding to the non emergent call...that neighbor is going to be dealing with some guilt.
This whole situation is messed up, but there’s a sliver of hope that this won’t be swept away or treated as a gangsta with a gun threatening police or whatever other nonsense law and order tv bs that gets spewed. Maybe, just maybe, people are beginning to see the full out racism and impacts. Maybe, just maybe, people are recognizing that black people are living lives like white people, but only the black people are getting shot and killed by police for driving their cars or sitting in their homes playing games with their nephews or sitting home alone eating ice cream.
Today, I drove to and from work, picked up my son and did homework with him, and we ate ice cream and watched tv. Never once did I fear that today I could be shot and killed by police in my own car or my own home.
Maybe things are turning around and people are starting to see this happens and it happens a lot. This is why people want to (and do) scream that BLACK LIVES MATTER. Because some people still need to hear it.
Sounds like this guy has been arrested and will be charged with murder. Sliver of hope...but we’ll see what really happens.
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Post by Mary Kay Lady on Oct 21, 2019 3:32:04 GMT
I citizen has the right to be in their own home regardless of the time of day with the lights on and the door open. I am curious as to why the neighbors would think the lights on and the inside door opened was worthy of calling the police in the first place. The screen door was shut, it was just the inside door left open. Doesn't seem very "well check" worthy to be honest. I agree with you. That area of Ft Worth is a lower socioeconomic area. Mostly Hispanics and blacks live there and there's a higher crime rate in that area. It doesn't look like the officers involved followed the protocol for a welfare check. In fact, they're lucky that no one shot at them. If I heard what I thought was a prowler in my back yard I might be inclined to shoot. |
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Post by mallie on Oct 21, 2019 14:04:31 GMT
What I would like to see is an explanation from the officers as to WHY they chose not to knock on the front door for a welfare check. Why did they feel the best possible option was to skulk around the yard with guns drawn for a welfare check?
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Post by Olan on Nov 19, 2019 19:26:44 GMT
Her father died this month. Made me think of Erica Garner Marquis A. Jefferson, the father of Atatiana Jefferson, died Saturday at age 59. Marquis Jefferson suffered a cardiac arrest and was taken to a hospital in Dallas on Friday night, family spokesman Bruce Carter said. His death comes less than a month after his daughter was fatally shot by a police officer in her home in Fort Worth, Texas. Atatiana Jefferson was his only child. "He ultimately just succumbed to, I don't know, I can only say a broken heart," Carter said. "He just never recovered from the grieving process." Consider donating or doing something actionable to help end the killing of innocent black people at the hands of police. www.joincampaignzero.org |
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Post by MaryMary on Nov 20, 2019 0:50:08 GMT
That poor man. Such a tragedy.
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Post by Olan on Aug 25, 2020 13:50:01 GMT
Bumping in honor of Korryn Gaines another black woman killed in her home by Baltimore police. She would have been 28 years old this week.
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Post by Olan on Aug 25, 2020 13:52:27 GMT
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Post by Olan on Aug 25, 2020 13:59:58 GMT
In the last five years at least 3 black women have been killed by police in their own homes. How is this okay? I have no doubt regarding the findings of the study. Which is incredibly depressing and wrong. And, I would also add that one's interpersonal communication style also impacts how one is treated, regardless of race. If the OP speaks to people IRL as she does here, I would not be surprised if she received less-than-polite responses/treatment in return. It would be a death wish to speak with disrespect to an officer as a black woman. I would venture to guess no one does this. With that sad fact aside your perception of me is guided in large part because I am a black woman. I'm no more or no less angry or surly than any other pea here. We also know that white criminals can behave any way they'd like and still receive better treatment than black criminals. Black people have been placated for a long time with this idea that if you are respectful and not a criminal you shouldn't have any problems interacting with police but then men in stalled cars and with licenses to carry are shot with no justice you realize that isn't the truth. I think a lot of white people are like elaine and believe that the mistreatment of black people is warranted and could be prevented if black people behaved differently. |
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