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Post by Delta Dawn on Oct 26, 2019 4:26:57 GMT
When you feel like it can you tell me again why MLMs are bad. My child thinks he will be successful. He wants a side hustle doing something.
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 26, 2019 8:21:46 GMT
Well, I know the Peas are generally against MLMs, but I made a ton of money in the mid to late 90s as a Longaberger consultant. It paid for DH’s first master’s degree and all of our fertility clinic bills. But you have to be disciplined to work for yourself. And let’s face it, in some areas, Longaberger really did sell itself.
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Post by anaterra on Oct 26, 2019 8:23:15 GMT
I think you mean AN and her "alleged" alter...
Do a search on mlm and im sure lots of "educational" posts will come up on steph trollie and freebirds posts...
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Post by christine58 on Oct 26, 2019 11:01:04 GMT
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Oct 26, 2019 12:15:21 GMT
I bet @zingermack can give you the information you are seeking.
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Post by busy on Oct 26, 2019 12:27:47 GMT
Tell him to listen to The Dream podcast.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Oct 26, 2019 13:24:50 GMT
Tell him to listen to The Dream podcast. The Peas know everything. This is the best advice! Thank you
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Post by StephDRebel on Oct 26, 2019 13:42:08 GMT
You're welcome to send me the info on what he is looking at to decipher if you would like help really breaking it down and figuring it out. There are a LOT of companies skirting the law and that make it relatively impossible to make a living and it's pretty hard to get through the made up terminology to even know what you're talking about.
Throwing anti MLM info doesn't work, there isn't a book of shady shit that bad companies go by and when I read/watch those things my jaw drops. I dont have experience with a lot of other companies but it's very rare that I see anything that actually applies to the way that my company works.
We could be completely different, people could be making things up to be 'right' on the internet or both but if you're looking for actual reasons he shouldn't get involved you need to speak to actual things, from his company that are sketchy.
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Post by mustlovecats on Oct 26, 2019 13:46:39 GMT
Well, I know the Peas are generally against MLMs, but I made a ton of money in the mid to late 90s as a Longaberger consultant. It paid for DH’s first master’s degree and all of our fertility clinic bills. But you have to be disciplined to work for yourself. And let’s face it, in some areas, Longaberger really did sell itself. It’s the exception that really illustrates the rule. If you look at the vast majority of MLM income statements, it’s single digit percentages that make any money at all, let alone minimum wage or even a livable wage. After startup fees and initial inventory most people never turn a profit in MLM.
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Post by heather on Oct 26, 2019 13:54:00 GMT
Dude. I just read that whole thread. Lol. Who needs to do housework on a Saturday?!?
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Post by StephDRebel on Oct 26, 2019 14:01:37 GMT
Well, I know the Peas are generally against MLMs, but I made a ton of money in the mid to late 90s as a Longaberger consultant. It paid for DH’s first master’s degree and all of our fertility clinic bills. But you have to be disciplined to work for yourself. And let’s face it, in some areas, Longaberger really did sell itself. It’s the exception that really illustrates the rule. If you look at the vast majority of MLM income statements, it’s single digit percentages that make any money at all, let alone minimum wage or even a livable wage. After startup fees and initial inventory most people never turn a profit in MLM. Not wrong, but it's also not really a solid number to stand on when you're trying to discredit a business. I track my numbers and last year 51% of the people who 'joined' my team bought the startup with no intention of selling a thing. The price for the starter kit was less money and had the same items they were going to purchase so they 'extreme couponed' If someone says "I dont plan on making any money' and then they follow their plan does that really count as a negative experience? I have one person who has 'joined' twice a year for 5 years because she wants refills on the super cheap. She does a quick facebook sale of the things she won't use and then does it again when she runs low on her staples. Shes showing no profit in our system but is spending $150 on products, selling off $250 of them and she has the bath products she likes for another 6 months or so. I'm not mad at it, but I don't believe it's an accurate reflection of the part of the team that is making money. Part of the appeal is flexibility, most people have no desire to become 6 figure earners. It was certainly never on my goal board. I can't base success on a single performance standard when I'm meeting people where they are and they have complete deciding control on when/if they train and work. I can help them find a business plan that fits their needs and their lifestyle and I'm going to celebrate with them when they hit their goals, no matter what the size.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 16:00:18 GMT
90% of the people who go into a mlm do it to get rich quick without hard work. It is hard work.
A better plan would be for him to invest in tools of his trade and offer off hour, at home service...if you get what I mean. I think he would have more customers than he could handle.
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 26, 2019 16:05:24 GMT
Well, I know the Peas are generally against MLMs, but I made a ton of money in the mid to late 90s as a Longaberger consultant. It paid for DH’s first master’s degree and all of our fertility clinic bills. But you have to be disciplined to work for yourself. And let’s face it, in some areas, Longaberger really did sell itself. It’s the exception that really illustrates the rule. If you look at the vast majority of MLM income statements, it’s single digit percentages that make any money at all, let alone minimum wage or even a livable wage. After startup fees and initial inventory most people never turn a profit in MLM. True, but I will say that a lot of people who signed up under me did it just to get the kit. They never had any intention of selling. And I didn’t make any money off of them other than the initial signing bonus. So I don’t count my profits in my down line, but in my own personal sales. And again, at that time people were coming to me for product—90% of my sales were personal referrals. I regularly had $1,000-1,500 shows multiple times a month. Pick a good product and make a personal goal—whether it’s just to get the kit or pay for a $10,000 IUI. Each person determines his or her own success. And I only kept one or two basic baskets for resale. All my other stock came directly through the company. That matters, too. I didn’t have a big inventory to sell off at the end of the month. I know some Lularoe consultants really lost their shirts and I do feel bad for them. The company really had some shady practices. But these women were also sinking thousands of dollars into their inventory. I don’t know that you can blame the MLM for a risky investment like that.
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 26, 2019 16:07:09 GMT
90% of the people who go into a mlm do it to get rich quick without hard work. It is hard work. A better plan would be for him to invest in tools of his trade and offer off hour, at home service...if you get what I mean. I think he would have more customers than he could handle. Isn’t your son an IT guy? I agree with Meg—offer in home set up of electronics or computer support. There’s virtually no overhead for him and he’s selling a service that is in demand.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Oct 26, 2019 16:17:15 GMT
90% of the people who go into a mlm do it to get rich quick without hard work. It is hard work. A better plan would be for him to invest in tools of his trade and offer off hour, at home service...if you get what I mean. I think he would have more customers than he could handle. Isn’t your son an IT guy? I agree with Meg—offer in home set up of electronics or computer support. There’s virtually no overhead for him and he’s selling a service that is in demand. He’s a luxury car mechanic. If He had been in IT then he could help people fix their IT needs. He said I don’t need to do anything all I have to do is be supportive of them. If that is true, why am I in full blown panic mode? If they want to waster their time so be it, I mean they live 3 hours away and we saw them once in 3 months. I can’t take on his mistakes.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Oct 26, 2019 16:19:28 GMT
Why is this even upsetting me? This seems like a pretty dramatic or strong reaction on my part to something that is none of my business. Am I missing something?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 26, 2019 16:42:34 GMT
I think there are good companies and bad companies. And people who are good at selling and those who aren’t. To lump all MLM’s together is not fair or accurate.
I would look at the particular company he wants to join. What are the requirements? Are there start up costs? Does he like the product? Does he know a lot of people? What is his business plan.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 16:43:07 GMT
Isn’t your son an IT guy? I agree with Meg—offer in home set up of electronics or computer support. There’s virtually no overhead for him and he’s selling a service that is in demand. He’s a luxury car mechanic. If He had been in IT then he could help people fix their IT needs. He said I don’t need to do anything all I have to do is be supportive of them. If that is true, why am I in full blown panic mode? If they want to waster their time so be it, I mean they live 3 hours away and we saw them once in 3 months. I can’t take on his mistakes. He would do better if he offered at home auto care....like changing out lights. That is an almost $400 change at a shop.
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Post by Gennifer on Oct 26, 2019 17:57:02 GMT
Um...
Dammit. That wasn’t me. I don’t do alters.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Oct 26, 2019 18:26:44 GMT
Um... Dammit. That wasn’t me. I don’t do alters. No you need to tell me why LDS owned MLMs are bad. Maybe you can send some logic my way because I am getting no where. Maybe it will be all right? This bugs me more than it should. There is something else bothering me I think. This is not that big a deal. If they want to try it and see so be it. I am causing drama and there shouldn’t be any.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 19:09:30 GMT
Your adult son asked for your support not your opinion. You don't need to agree with what he's doing, but if it's not illegal or endangering children, your silence should be your support.
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Post by anaterra on Oct 26, 2019 19:13:52 GMT
In my mom to mom opinion... I agree you should let them do what they are going to do... just keep your mouth shut... you cant talk him out of it... if he and wife have already talked it thru with each other... be firm and dont invest your money into the actual ladder... but you can be supportive..
Buy from them... my daughter sells scentsy... she will never be top tier but she sells because she likes the discount... and she likes to play with the wax and make other stuff... i shop from her.. my way of being supportive...
Just be a mom.. listen but dont offer advice.. even if asked... just smile and nod!!! Lol
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 26, 2019 19:33:03 GMT
What MLM Co is it? lots of Ps with experiences with different Co's
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Post by Just T on Oct 26, 2019 19:44:23 GMT
Isn’t your son an IT guy? I agree with Meg—offer in home set up of electronics or computer support. There’s virtually no overhead for him and he’s selling a service that is in demand. He’s a luxury car mechanic. If He had been in IT then he could help people fix their IT needs. He said I don’t need to do anything all I have to do is be supportive of them. If that is true, why am I in full blown panic mode? If they want to waster their time so be it, I mean they live 3 hours away and we saw them once in 3 months. I can’t take on his mistakes. I am not sure why you are in full blown panic mode. That seems a bit...extreme. He is a married adult. I think all you should do is try to be supportive of their efforts, whatever the company. There are so many different MLM companies--which one are they getting involved with?
Stop panicking and be supportive however you can. Wish them well. That is all you should do.
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Post by StephDRebel on Oct 26, 2019 19:53:02 GMT
90% of the people who go into a mlm do it to get rich quick without hard work. It is hard work. A better plan would be for him to invest in tools of his trade and offer off hour, at home service...if you get what I mean. I think he would have more customers than he could handle. This is a prime example of why you don't get business advice from sources that are completely uneducated about the business. 90%? Where does that number come from? I see it on reddit all the time but in 10 years I've never had a single person come to me and say "I want to get rich quick without the hard work" and I don't believe I've ever met anyone who has heard it either. I *could* be finding the 10% who are realistic but my luck isnt usually that good. There is a very good chance that he would be better off doing side jobs , but using anything but facts to prove a point is likely to backfire. Facts are your friend.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 20:32:06 GMT
90% of the people who go into a mlm do it to get rich quick without hard work. It is hard work. A better plan would be for him to invest in tools of his trade and offer off hour, at home service...if you get what I mean. I think he would have more customers than he could handle. This is a prime example of why you don't get business advice from sources that are completely uneducated about the business. 90%? Where does that number come from? I see it on reddit all the time but in 10 years I've never had a single person come to me and say "I want to get rich quick without the hard work" and I don't believe I've ever met anyone who has heard it either. I *could* be finding the 10% who are realistic but my lick isnt usually that good. There is a very good chance that he would be better off doing side jobs , but using anything but facts to prove a point is likely to backfire. Facts are your friend. What I should have said is: 100% of the people I am familiar with tried mlm ( mostly amway) to get rich quick without working hard. And they fail flamboyantly. But it is never their fault, it is always the product or nobody is buying or 100 other excuses. They think that having a party or harassing their neighbors/friends to join us all they have to do. Then There are a few like you who actually succeed at their business, but you work very hard at it and I am sure that it is like having 2 full time jobs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 20:34:11 GMT
And in this case it is better that her son invest in good tools. He has a skill that is invaluable and doing side jobs in his trade would make him more money than doing an mlm.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Oct 26, 2019 21:47:57 GMT
He’s a luxury car mechanic. If He had been in IT then he could help people fix their IT needs. He said I don’t need to do anything all I have to do is be supportive of them. If that is true, why am I in full blown panic mode? If they want to waster their time so be it, I mean they live 3 hours away and we saw them once in 3 months. I can’t take on his mistakes. I am not sure why you are in full blown panic mode. That seems a bit...extreme. He is a married adult. I think all you should do is try to be supportive of their efforts, whatever the company. There are so many different MLM companies--which one are they getting involved with?
Stop panicking and be supportive however you can. Wish them well. That is all you should do.
I think my own personal stress right now is clouding my judgment. I am taking care of my father who starts driving again on Monday. I have been worrying about him constantly and anything would throw me into panic. This is not a big deal. It’s a case of “Oh ok go you!” And minding my own business. I am just stressed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 22:02:00 GMT
Of course you are stressed. You don’t want to see them in any type of precarious position.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Oct 26, 2019 22:27:04 GMT
Of course you are stressed. You don’t want to see them in any type of precarious position. My dad’s bad leg is getting worse by the day and I am wearing down. I can’t believe I am falling apart over this. And the second looming surgery. His pain is not nearly controlled and he is just worse.
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