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Post by katelynr439 on Nov 28, 2018 0:12:15 GMT
Trollie has posted 4 or 5 times trying to sell her MLM nail polish strips. The first couple times she mentioned she was a consultant. Most recently, she posted on a gift idea thread, didn't mention she was a consultant, and linked to her own page to sell them. She is also trying to get people to PM her to discuss/"send samples."
We should not allow blatent selling here, and linking to sales pages, especially of MLM products. This place is going to turn into those annoying Facebook friends from high school that can't stop shilling.
Just say no to MLMs!! Listen to The Dream podcast if you think it's just a way for women to make a little side cash - it is predatory business that! Say no to people shilling repeatedly on here!!
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Post by Peal on Nov 28, 2018 0:19:57 GMT
Or, just scroll on by.
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Post by trollie on Nov 28, 2018 0:20:23 GMT
The fact that I am a consultant is in my signature. Absolutely not hiding that from anyone. Don't like my posts? Scroll on by.
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Post by busy on Nov 28, 2018 0:22:23 GMT
Trollie has posted 4 or 5 times trying to sell her MLM nail polish strips. The first couple times she mentioned she was a consultant. Most recently, she posted on a gift idea thread, didn't mention she was a consultant, and linked to her own page to sell them. She is also trying to get people to PM her to discuss/"send samples." We should not allow blatent selling here, and linking to sales pages, especially of MLM products. This place is going to turn into those annoying Facebook friends from high school that can't stop shilling. Just say no to MLMs!! Listen to The Dream podcast if you think it's just a way for women to make a little side cash - it is predatory business that! Say no to people shilling repeatedly on here!! Keep scrolling. There's no obligation for anyone to buy anything from anyone. It was agreed a long time ago that we aren't going to police things like that here.
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Post by MichyM on Nov 28, 2018 0:26:49 GMT
I haven't run across them. However, so long at someone is showing restraint and not getting obnoxius about it (posting ALL the time, abusing PMs), I just don't see the problem.
ETA: I do think that if someone is selling something, that whenever they post about it (whether in their own thread or someone else's) they should identify themselves. Anything else is disingenuous IMO.
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Post by keesha on Nov 28, 2018 0:30:42 GMT
OP I understand your reaction, especially with current knowledge and/or if you know someone who had a negative experience in direct sales. My thought is - although I don't particularly like the mlm posts, I do enjoy seeing other peas posts about products they sell (like an etsy seller). Drawing a line means someone would have to police it which is unreasonable. I also don't want to assume all direct sales companies are "bad". I take a deep breath and "scroll on by" as they say.
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Post by JustTricia on Nov 28, 2018 0:38:44 GMT
It’s my understanding, and I have been here since a couple of weeks after this board came to be, that anything goes. And it’s in direct relation to how people felt about the TOU of the original 2Peas. Any and all links are allowed, whether to MLM, Etsy, other shops, blogs that sell, etc. I believe that was the consensus when the board was set up.
There have been times where I have felt the board was being used to a person’s advantage, but I scroll by and don’t read those posts.
With the number of other people that have are consultants and post links or sales ideas of their own, seems a big targeted to go after Trollie specifically.
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Post by katelynr439 on Nov 28, 2018 0:39:45 GMT
The fact that I am a consultant is in my signature. Absolutely not hiding that from anyone. Don't like my posts? Scroll on by. Can't see signatures on mobile. I will not scroll on by. I will not ignore it. Shilling MLM products is not a harmless difference of opinion on which brand someone prefers. It is my true opinion is it financially dangerous for people to participate in them, and even by purchasing the products, it encourages the continued existence of companies where 99.6%+ of people who get in to make money/save money via a discount actually lose money. Often large sums of money. I believe they are only allowed to exist because of loopholes in the law. So you go on ahead and keep posting if admin allows it, although I think it is a dangerous precedent to allow people to shill and link their own products here. Especially in your signature, that pisses me off even more that it is 100s of posts you're shilling on, not just a few like I thought. But while you keep posting, I'll keep posting too and educating others about the predatory nature of MLMs. I'll share links and facts and podcasts and Netflix specials. And YOU can just scroll on by if you don't like it. So I guess I'll be seeing you around. Thanks for the opportunity to educate more people on the evils of MLM.
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Post by cakediva on Nov 28, 2018 0:40:46 GMT
What is the difference then between somebody saying 'hey if you need any Pampered Chef I'm a consultant' and me saying "hey - if any Peas in the Ontario area have a wedding in the family, email me I'd love talk wedding cake with you"
Or "hey, don't forget to use your eBates on XXX day when shopping - here's a link to my page if you aren't already a member"
Just because you have a bug about MLM businesses doesn't mean the rest of us do.
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Post by SockMonkey on Nov 28, 2018 0:42:12 GMT
The fact that I am a consultant is in my signature. Absolutely not hiding that from anyone. Don't like my posts? Scroll on by. Can't see signatures on mobile. I will not scroll on by. I will not ignore it. Shilling MLM products is not a harmless difference of opinion on which brand someone prefers. It is my true opinion is it financially dangerous for people to participate in them, and even by purchasing the products, it encourages the continued existence of companies where 99.6%+ of people who get in to make money/save money via a discount actually lose money. Often large sums of money. I believe they are only allowed to exist because of loopholes in the law. So you go on ahead and keep posting if admin allows it, although I think it is a dangerous precedent to allow people to shill and link their own products here. Especially in your signature, that pisses me off even more that it is 100s of posts you're shilling on, not just a few like I thought. But while you keep posting, I'll keep posting too and educating others about the predatory nature of MLMs. I'll share links and facts and podcasts and Netflix specials. And YOU can just scroll on by if you don't like it. So I guess I'll be seeing you around. Thanks for the opportunity to educate more people on the evils of MLM. I think you probably could've started a more productive discussion about the predatory nature of MLMs rather than singling out a particular poster. I've been on here a LONG ass time and am fairly active, and have literally never once noticed that Trollie sells shit. So. Anyway, I think you probably have a lot of good info to share and we could have a really interesting discussion, but this was not the take.
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Post by katelynr439 on Nov 28, 2018 0:43:41 GMT
It’s my understanding, and I have been here since a couple of weeks after this board came to be, that anything goes. And it’s in direct relation to how people felt about the TOU of the original 2Peas. Any and all links are allowed, whether to MLM, Etsy, other shops, blogs that sell, etc. I believe that was the consensus when the board was set up. There have been times where I have felt the board was being used to a person’s advantage, but I scroll by and don’t read Those posts. With the number of other people that have are consultants and post links or sales ideas of their own, seems a big targeted to go after Trollope specifically. Thanks, I didn't know that. That's too bad, but if that's allowed, so be it. Looking forward to posting frequently about how bad MLMs are. Only as frequently as people shill their MLMs, no more. So if people get sick of my message, they can thank the MLM sellers that post about their business. It's not targeted specifically at Trollie. I post almost anytime I see someone posting about their MLM. Trollie just stands out in my mind today because I saw it on a post I was reading and she got all butthurt recently when I was calling out MLMs. I didn't realize she had started shilling here. Makes sense now. I too love small businesses and Etsy shops. I want to support real small businesses, not large corporations that abuse sellers through the MLM model, and then convince them they are #bossbabeCEOs.
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on Nov 28, 2018 0:45:54 GMT
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Post by katelynr439 on Nov 28, 2018 0:46:28 GMT
What is the difference then between somebody saying 'hey if you need any Pampered Chef I'm a consultant' and me saying "hey - if any Peas in the Ontario area have a wedding in the family, email me I'd love talk wedding cake with you" Or "hey, don't forget to use your eBates on XXX day when shopping - here's a link to my page if you aren't already a member" Just because you have a bug about MLM businesses doesn't mean the rest of us do. I haven't seen you shill your cake business here, but if you are, I don't love it. But I like it 1000x more than MLM sellers because I think you are a legitimate small business. I think MLMs are corporations with a very dangerous structure that takes advantage of people who wish they were small business owners, and convinces them they are "empowered." That is the difference to me. I may not love seeing self promotion here in general, but I think MLMs are actually financially dangerous and designed to suck people in. I truly believe that.
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Post by leeny on Nov 28, 2018 0:48:41 GMT
Last time I was associated with a MLM, no one tied me up and forced me to join so I really didn't need anyone to watch out for me. I actually find it interesting when I see here that someone is with a company. If I like it, I may purchase from them, if not, I don't. Not much different than taking advantage of enabling posts, IMHO. I don't know that it is up to us to judge someone else's choice in business.
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JustTricia
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Post by JustTricia on Nov 28, 2018 0:49:46 GMT
I am on this board reading daily, multiple times a day, even if it can’t be seen by my post count.
I can only name one person on this board that is a consultant for a MLM. I have never noticed a single other person post about being a consultant, including Trollie.
You make it sound like the board is overrun by MLM. I understand the concept bothers you and you want to make sure people are informed. But this came across as an attack and your desire to educate has been lost.
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Post by katelynr439 on Nov 28, 2018 0:54:41 GMT
Last time I was associated with a MLM, no one tied me up and forced me to join so I really didn't need anyone to watch out for me. I actually find it interesting when I see here that someone is with a company. If I like it, I may purchase from them, if not, I don't. Not much different than taking advantage of enabling posts, IMHO. I don't know that it is up to us to judge someone else's choice in business. The degree to which MLMs take money from consultants who think they will join and make some extra cash is on par with the amount of money Bernie Madoff stole. Every year. And more when you think globally. I absolutely believe these companies know their business model is a loser for 99.6%+ of people. The way they structure their onboaridng packages and agreements is specifically done to avoid laws that would require them to disclose more information (keeping it under $600 avoids franchise laws). I do think it's absolutely up to me to judge companies that scam people out of billions of dollars under the guise that they can make money themselves. I truly believe MLMs are as bad as Bernie Madoff. NOT the consultants/sellers, but the main companies. Unfortunately, and for many abusive reasons, consultants is how they market to the public. I'm not using hyperbole, I really believe they are that bad. If you believed they were that bad, wouldn't you judge and warn others too? I'm out for now. Just know I will be posting a follow up any time I see someone try to sell a MLM on here. I they can post pushing their product, I can post pushing the truth. Overpriced and financial scams.
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Post by PLurker on Nov 28, 2018 0:58:59 GMT
Just say no. ? (scroll along) unless it gets obnoxious I'd barely notice. To be honest, the only time it occurred to me that trollie had a MLM was when she was called out. twice I think.
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Post by Rhondito on Nov 28, 2018 0:59:54 GMT
I understand the concept bothers you and you want to make sure people are informed. But this came across as an attack and your desire to educate has been lost. This.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 28, 2018 1:01:01 GMT
The fact that I am a consultant is in my signature. Absolutely not hiding that from anyone. Don't like my posts? Scroll on by. Can't see signatures on mobile. I will not scroll on by. I will not ignore it. Shilling MLM products is not a harmless difference of opinion on which brand someone prefers. It is my true opinion is it financially dangerous for people to participate in them, and even by purchasing the products, it encourages the continued existence of companies where 99.6%+ of people who get in to make money/save money via a discount actually lose money. Often large sums of money. I believe they are only allowed to exist because of loopholes in the law. So you go on ahead and keep posting if admin allows it, although I think it is a dangerous precedent to allow people to shill and link their own products here. Especially in your signature, that pisses me off even more that it is 100s of posts you're shilling on, not just a few like I thought. But while you keep posting, I'll keep posting too and educating others about the predatory nature of MLMs. I'll share links and facts and podcasts and Netflix specials. And YOU can just scroll on by if you don't like it. So I guess I'll be seeing you around. Thanks for the opportunity to educate more people on the evils of MLM. Wow, you seem reallly worked up. Oh well, keep on educating. Try not to get spittle on your monitor. I’ll just scroll by like I do so often.
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Post by trollie on Nov 28, 2018 1:01:15 GMT
It’s my understanding, and I have been here since a couple of weeks after this board came to be, that anything goes. And it’s in direct relation to how people felt about the TOU of the original 2Peas. Any and all links are allowed, whether to MLM, Etsy, other shops, blogs that sell, etc. I believe that was the consensus when the board was set up. There have been times where I have felt the board was being used to a person’s advantage, but I scroll by and don’t read Those posts. With the number of other people that have are consultants and post links or sales ideas of their own, seems a big targeted to go after Trollope specifically. Thanks, I didn't know that. That's too bad, but if that's allowed, so be it. Looking forward to posting frequently about how bad MLMs are. Only as frequently as people shill their MLMs, no more. So if people get sick of my message, they can thank the MLM sellers that post about their business. It's not targeted specifically at Trollie. I post almost anytime I see someone posting about their MLM. Trollie just stands out in my mind today because I saw it on a post I was reading and she got all butthurt recently when I was calling out MLMs. I didn't realize she had started shilling here. Makes sense now. I too love small businesses and Etsy shops. I want to support real small businesses, not large corporations that abuse sellers through the MLM model, and then convince them they are #bossbabeCEOs. Yeah, I don't recall being "butthurt" about anything.... I just didn't agree with your accessment. There is a difference.
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Post by YooHoot on Nov 28, 2018 1:02:17 GMT
Trollie sells stuff?? Never noticed it and I’ve been interacting with her for years. She obviously sucks at it. 😂
Seriously though...who cares? It doesn’t bother me in the least. Lots of people sell things. I don’t participate in MLM but I don’t care if someone does. Scroll by if you don’t like it but calling her out by name is pretty shitty tbh.
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Post by GiantsFan on Nov 28, 2018 1:05:05 GMT
Wow!
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Post by peasquared on Nov 28, 2018 1:08:45 GMT
I am on this board reading daily, multiple times a day, even if it can’t be seen by my post count. I can only name one person on this board that is a consultant for a MLM. I have never noticed a single other person post about being a consultant, including Trollie. You make it sound like the board is overrun by MLM. I understand the concept bothers you and you want to make sure people are informed. But this came across as an attack and your desire to educate has been lost. I can only think of one, too. I don't mind it one bit.
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Post by papersilly on Nov 28, 2018 1:10:49 GMT
I'm here a lot and I've never noticed any active selling, especially MLM products. I think we know a few people who are consultants but I don't think I've ever seen them hawking their products.
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Post by cade387 on Nov 28, 2018 1:11:22 GMT
Can't see signatures on mobile. I will not scroll on by. I will not ignore it. Shilling MLM products is not a harmless difference of opinion on which brand someone prefers. It is my true opinion is it financially dangerous for people to participate in them, and even by purchasing the products, it encourages the continued existence of companies where 99.6%+ of people who get in to make money/save money via a discount actually lose money. Often large sums of money. I believe they are only allowed to exist because of loopholes in the law. So you go on ahead and keep posting if admin allows it, although I think it is a dangerous precedent to allow people to shill and link their own products here. Especially in your signature, that pisses me off even more that it is 100s of posts you're shilling on, not just a few like I thought. But while you keep posting, I'll keep posting too and educating others about the predatory nature of MLMs. I'll share links and facts and podcasts and Netflix specials. And YOU can just scroll on by if you don't like it. So I guess I'll be seeing you around. Thanks for the opportunity to educate more people on the evils of MLM. Wow, you seem reallly worked up. Oh well, keep on educating. Try not to get spittle on your monitor. I’ll just scroll by like I do so often. This is one of several frothing threads and posts by her. It makes me want to start an MLM thread just because....
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Post by YooHoot on Nov 28, 2018 1:13:09 GMT
Dude...did you get burned by LuLaRoe? I sense some deep seeded anger resulting from an abundance of bright, pizza printed leggings perhaps?
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 28, 2018 1:15:36 GMT
I am on this board reading daily, multiple times a day, even if it can’t be seen by my post count. I can only name one person on this board that is a consultant for a MLM. I have never noticed a single other person post about being a consultant, including Trollie. You make it sound like the board is overrun by MLM. I understand the concept bothers you and you want to make sure people are informed. But this came across as an attack and your desire to educate has been lost. This sums up my thoughts on the subject.
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Post by katelynr439 on Nov 28, 2018 1:19:58 GMT
Dude...did you get burned by LuLaRoe? I sense some deep seeded anger resulting from an abundance of bright, pizza printed leggings perhaps? Nope, but that one is particularly awful, isn't it? Literally tens of thousands of women who were promised LLR would buy back their inventory at 100% or 90%. They sent in their thousands of dollars of inventory and haven't been paid in 6+ months. People who can't pay their mortgage or buy their kids Christmas gifts because of it. People who sent in inventory in April, are still waiting for checks, and have no answers when they'll get them. It's not "ha ha those women bought some ugly leggings." It's literally $50 MILLION+ the multi-billion dollar organization took from women under false pretenses and are holding basically hostage. The company now has their inventory AND their money. And that's not even getting into the illegal credits when something is out of stock, the extreme poor quality control, or the likely illegal bonus structure they had for the first couple years. So yeah, go ahead and LOL about women getting burned by pizza leggings. The company owners are laughing all the way to the bank while the "little guys" are going broke.
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Post by busy on Nov 28, 2018 1:24:01 GMT
The fact that I am a consultant is in my signature. Absolutely not hiding that from anyone. Don't like my posts? Scroll on by. Can't see signatures on mobile. I will not scroll on by. I will not ignore it. Shilling MLM products is not a harmless difference of opinion on which brand someone prefers. It is my true opinion is it financially dangerous for people to participate in them, and even by purchasing the products, it encourages the continued existence of companies where 99.6%+ of people who get in to make money/save money via a discount actually lose money. Often large sums of money. I believe they are only allowed to exist because of loopholes in the law. So you go on ahead and keep posting if admin allows it, although I think it is a dangerous precedent to allow people to shill and link their own products here. Especially in your signature, that pisses me off even more that it is 100s of posts you're shilling on, not just a few like I thought. But while you keep posting, I'll keep posting too and educating others about the predatory nature of MLMs. I'll share links and facts and podcasts and Netflix specials. And YOU can just scroll on by if you don't like it. So I guess I'll be seeing you around. Thanks for the opportunity to educate more people on the evils of MLM. Just like people who are doing direct sales can post about that here, so can you can feel free to post about the evils of MLMs all you want. You're probably not going to make any friends doing it, if you approach it like you have here, but have at it.
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Post by pjaye on Nov 28, 2018 1:29:06 GMT
I don't like MLMs and I don't buy any products from them. I will speak up if they are useless or dangerous products such as alkaline water or those insanely expensive berry juices that promise to cure everything from a cold to cancer.
But otherwise if people get products that do what they are intended to do, be it a nail sticker, a pair of ugly leggings or a vibrator - then the women here can make their own choice and buy it if they want to - or not buy if they don't.
At present I believe there is no policy here against selling stuff like there was on the old board and so far it hasn't been over run, so for the moment it seems to be working fine as is and I can't see a reason to get upset about it.
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