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Post by lucyg on Nov 22, 2019 17:58:45 GMT
My problem w/autocrats - be they theocrats (religions aren't democracies, generally), tech bros, etc... They are unelected. They make decisions that have enormous sway on the way of the world. They sit in power beyond the reach of democracy. xxx "Instead of allowing the Silicon Six decide the fate of the world, let the ELECTED representatives, voted by the WILL OF THE PEOPLE in every democracy in the world, have AT LEAST SOME SAY." There is nothing stopping THE PEOPLE from having a say in this country other than the people themselves. Don’t like the way this country is going now, well we have no one to blame but ourselves. And it’s the people who can change this country by showing up at the ballot box and making an informed vote. Don’t like the candidates that are supported by the parties, fine work within your community to find potential candidates that have positions that benefit all Americans to challenge these individuals. People need to get involved when it comes to the gerrymandering and voter suppression. The only reason this is happening is because we allow it to happen. Problem is too many people/voters are ill informed or they just don’t care and can’t be bothered. So put the blame where it belongs and that is on the people and not some Silicon 6 or whoever. IMO I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect tech billionaires (as well as other successful people) to be good citizens, too. Not going to happen, apparently, but I think it’s a fair expectation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 18:07:25 GMT
There is nothing stopping THE PEOPLE from having a say in this country other than the people themselves. Don’t like the way this country is going now, well we have no one to blame but ourselves. And it’s the people who can change this country by showing up at the ballot box and making an informed vote. Don’t like the candidates that are supported by the parties, fine work within your community to find potential candidates that have positions that benefit all Americans to challenge these individuals. People need to get involved when it comes to the gerrymandering and voter suppression. The only reason this is happening is because we allow it to happen. Problem is too many people/voters are ill informed or they just don’t care and can’t be bothered. So put the blame where it belongs and that is on the people and not some Silicon 6 or whoever. IMO I partly agree w/you. But who do you think is helping to keep people uninformed and distracted (hint: it's the Silicon Six and other tech billionaires like them) - even in a world where we have more information at our fingertips than ever before in the history of humanity? Do you really think billionaires who can buy countries and governments all over the world many times over will not often use that power to their own ends - especially if they can buy and sell politicians like so many trading cards? And who is stopping these people from doing their due diligence to confirm what they are being told is accurate or not? A couple of years ago a local college teamed up with the local newspaper and did a Facebook live on misinformation. 59% of folks who “shared” information on Facebook did so without bothering to check and see if there was any truth in what they were sharing. I’m pretty sure Mark Zuckerberg wasn’t sitting on these folks shoulder whispering “share without checking” when they hit the share button. Again 59% didn’t check before sharing. No wonder the Russians knew they could use Facebook to spread their propaganda in 2016. The.individual.user.on.Facebook.let.it.happen! What I think you are doing is absolving people from their personal responsibility to do some sort of fact checking. It’s a sad state of affairs that we should have to, but it doesn’t change the fact that we need to. So on this, we are going to disagree. And it’s not the first time. Nor will it be the last time either I’m sure. 😀
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 18:26:00 GMT
And then there is this problem.
60 Minutes
”Russians hacked Annette Taddeo's campaign playbook while she was running for Congress in 2016. Then her opponent showed up to a debate with the stolen documents and used them against her. 60 Minutes reports on Russian election interference, Sunday.”
The lack of integrity when it comes to politicians. If a candidate can’t win on his or her message but has to stoop to this crap, then they shouldn’t run for public office.
And people who continue to support this candidate are really no better then he or she is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 19:23:28 GMT
I partly agree w/you. But who do you think is helping to keep people uninformed and distracted (hint: it's the Silicon Six and other tech billionaires like them) - even in a world where we have more information at our fingertips than ever before in the history of humanity? Do you really think billionaires who can buy countries and governments all over the world many times over will not often use that power to their own ends - especially if they can buy and sell politicians like so many trading cards? And who is stopping these people from doing their due diligence to confirm what they are being told is accurate or not? A couple of years ago a local college teamed up with the local newspaper and did a Facebook live on misinformation. 59% of folks who “shared” information on Facebook did so without bothering to check and see if there was any truth in what they were sharing. I’m pretty sure Mark Zuckerberg wasn’t sitting on these folks shoulder whispering “share without checking” when they hit the share button. Again 59% didn’t check before sharing. No wonder the Russians knew they could use Facebook to spread their propaganda in 2016. The.individual.user.on.Facebook.let.it.happen! What I think you are doing is absolving people from their personal responsibility to do some sort of fact checking. It’s a sad state of affairs that we should have to, but it doesn’t change the fact that we need to. So on this, we are going to disagree. And it’s not the first time. Nor will it be the last time either I’m sure. 😀 You're right that we disagree and you're right that I am absolving SOME people of personal responsibility due to: Lack of academic intelligence Lack of emotional intelligence Crap parenting Crap diet/nutrition Epigenomes Other factors We don't all have the same capacity. That is the fundamental flaw of 'all men are created equal'. Maybe 'equal' under the law, but not in capabilities.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 22, 2019 19:42:31 GMT
Daniel Dale “Trump: "If it weren't for me, Hong Kong would've been obliterated in 14 minutes." Sure!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 22, 2019 19:53:47 GMT
Ukraine, UNITAID... same thing, right? Unitaid’s main donors are France, the United Kingdom, Norway, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, Brazil, Spain, the Republic of Korea, and Chile.[16]
Unitaid is a global health initiative that works with partners to bring about innovations to prevent, diagnose and treat major diseases in low- and middle-income countries, with an emphasis on tuberculosis, malaria, and HIV/AIDS and its deadly co-infections. Founded in 2006, the organization funds the final stages of research and development of new drugs, diagnostics and disease-prevention tools, helps produce data supporting guidelines for their use, and works to allow more affordable generic medicines to enter the marketplace in low- and middle-income countries. Hosted by the World Health Organization (WHO) in Geneva, Unitaid was established by the governments of Brazil, Chile, France, Norway and the United Kingdom.[4] As of 2019, Unitaid manages a portfolio of 48 grants worth around US$1.3 billion. More than half of Unitaid's projects contribute to the global fight against antimicrobial resistance.[5] Unitaid supports programs that are implemented by organizations such as Coalition Plus, the Clinton Health Access Initiative, Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation, Expertise France, The Global Fund, Foundation for Innovative New Diagnostics, Médecins Sans Frontières,[6] Medicines for Malaria Venture,[7] Stop TB Partnership,[8] TB Alliance,[9] UNICEF and others.** en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnitaidI haven't found Ukraine listed yet.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 22, 2019 20:01:23 GMT
And who is stopping these people from doing their due diligence to confirm what they are being told is accurate or not? A couple of years ago a local college teamed up with the local newspaper and did a Facebook live on misinformation. 59% of folks who “shared” information on Facebook did so without bothering to check and see if there was any truth in what they were sharing. I’m pretty sure Mark Zuckerberg wasn’t sitting on these folks shoulder whispering “share without checking” when they hit the share button. Again 59% didn’t check before sharing. No wonder the Russians knew they could use Facebook to spread their propaganda in 2016. The.individual.user.on.Facebook.let.it.happen! What I think you are doing is absolving people from their personal responsibility to do some sort of fact checking. It’s a sad state of affairs that we should have to, but it doesn’t change the fact that we need to. So on this, we are going to disagree. And it’s not the first time. Nor will it be the last time either I’m sure. 😀. You're right that we disagree and you're right that I am absolving SOME people of personal responsibility due to: Lack of academic intelligence Lack of emotional intelligence Crap parenting Crap diet/nutrition Epigenomes Other factors We don't all have the same capacity. That is the fundamental flaw of 'all men are created equal'. Maybe 'equal' under the law, but not in capabilities. Do not forget those who have been illegally removed from voter roll, signature off, unacceptable ID on sight. Just in 2018 they moved polling stations or had only one for large areas, lines for blocks. NO access to a judge when denied ay polls. All sorts of things!
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 22, 2019 20:06:38 GMT
You're right that we disagree and you're right that I am absolving SOME people of personal responsibility due to: Lack of academic intelligence Lack of emotional intelligence Crap parenting Crap diet/nutrition Epigenomes Other factors We don't all have the same capacity. That is the fundamental flaw of 'all men are created equal'. Maybe 'equal' under the law, but not in capabilities. Do not forget those who have been illegally removed from voter roll, signature off, unacceptable ID on sight. Just in 2018 they moved polling stations or had only one for large areas, lines for blocks. NO access to a judge when denied ay polls. All sorts of things! Yup, voter suppression is a *huge* problem in some areas.
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Post by artgirl1 on Nov 22, 2019 20:28:45 GMT
One of the articles I read today about the impeachment inquiry refereed to the Republicans at the hearings as 'flying monkeys'.
I couldn't agree more.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 20:38:54 GMT
And who is stopping these people from doing their due diligence to confirm what they are being told is accurate or not? A couple of years ago a local college teamed up with the local newspaper and did a Facebook live on misinformation. 59% of folks who “shared” information on Facebook did so without bothering to check and see if there was any truth in what they were sharing. I’m pretty sure Mark Zuckerberg wasn’t sitting on these folks shoulder whispering “share without checking” when they hit the share button. Again 59% didn’t check before sharing. No wonder the Russians knew they could use Facebook to spread their propaganda in 2016. The.individual.user.on.Facebook.let.it.happen! What I think you are doing is absolving people from their personal responsibility to do some sort of fact checking. It’s a sad state of affairs that we should have to, but it doesn’t change the fact that we need to. So on this, we are going to disagree. And it’s not the first time. Nor will it be the last time either I’m sure. 😀 You're right that we disagree and you're right that I am absolving SOME people of personal responsibility due to: Lack of academic intelligence Lack of emotional intelligence Crap parenting Crap diet/nutrition Epigenomes Other factors We don't all have the same capacity. That is the fundamental flaw of 'all men are created equal'. Maybe 'equal' under the law, but not in capabilities. So your answer is to have big brother aka the government look out for these folks and keep them safe from the big bad guys aka billionaires and the Silicon 6? Have you been paying attention to what is currently happening in our government? I’m surprised that when you look at the White House you don’t see this ooze aka corruption seeping out from the foundations spreading throughout the District and infecting just about everything it touches. As to all humans not being being equal, you are correct. But I’m talking about those who vote and I’m making an assumption here that if these folks have the ability to register to vote and show up at the ballot box, they have the ability to spend a little time fact checking the information they are given and not living by the saying “if you read it on the internet it must be true.”
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Post by Merge on Nov 22, 2019 20:43:03 GMT
You're right that we disagree and you're right that I am absolving SOME people of personal responsibility due to: Lack of academic intelligence Lack of emotional intelligence Crap parenting Crap diet/nutrition Epigenomes Other factors We don't all have the same capacity. That is the fundamental flaw of 'all men are created equal'. Maybe 'equal' under the law, but not in capabilities. So your answer is to have big brother aka the government look out for these folks and keep them safe from the big bad guys aka billionaires and the Silicon 6? Have you been paying attention to what is currently happening in our government? I’m surprised that when you look at the White House you don’t see this ooze aka corruption seeping out from the foundations spreading throughout the District and infecting just about everything it touches. As to all humans not being being equal, you are correct. But I’m talking about those who vote and I’m making an assumption here that if these folks have the ability to register to vote and show up at the ballot box, they have the ability to spend a little time fact checking the information they are given and not living by the saying “if you read it on the internet it must be true.” I think there must be a way to expect people to use common sense AND prevent media figures from presenting outright lies as truth. The Charlie Kirk example above, for example. But I also agree with you that there's a big potential problem with government or the Silicon 6 deciding what is fit to print and what is not. I don't know what the correct thing is, but we seem to have two problems here - ignorant voters AND false media stories. Different problems with likely different solutions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 20:45:49 GMT
I just can't like this response enough. How can people possibly believe these claims. People don't read/research!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESEARCH their Foundation!!!!!! Find out their rating, etc........... Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!! Funny, their Foundation has a great rating and they actually DO donate $$ vs. Trump's slush "foundation" that is now defunct!
A former neighbor of ours stopped by here last night (ugh--I'm still recovering and in bed!), and he was talking non-stop, but when he began to speak about "The Clintons" being the ones "who murdered Epstein", and how "Hillary gave the Russians millions of $", I blew my gasket! I said, "Don't you dare repeat stupid inane conspiracy theories to me, especially about either Clinton! I don't want to hear it!" He said that I'm probably just on overload of Trump negativity & I reminded him that I've despised and have known too much about Trump (having lived in NY) since the late 1970's, so I don't want to hear it!
How people just hear this crap from Alex Jones or some other crackpot and then believe it and dare to repeat it, is beyond me. If they talk the facts out, they'd understand that none of it could be real! Yeesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (And this neighbor is only 25 years old and is non-political and never voted!!). Needless to say that I'm not opening my door if he comes back today!!!!!!
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Post by lucyg on Nov 22, 2019 21:16:19 GMT
One of the articles I read today about the impeachment inquiry refereed to the Republicans at the hearings as 'flying monkeys'. I couldn't agree more. Well, this is ICE, not House Republicans. But still. Click on thumbnail to enlarge.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 21:17:53 GMT
linkDaniel Dale did some fact checking on trump’s 53 minute rant this morning on Fox & Friends. ”No, CrowdStrike isn’t Ukrainian. No, that Texas plant didn’t just open. No, Zelensky wasn’t the one who brought up Yovanovitch. No, Trump hasn’t pulled out of Syria. No, Obama didn’t send Ukraine mere pillows. No, Trump didn’t get Veterans Choice.” “No, Yovanovitch didn’t refuse to put up Trump’s photo. No, European countries haven’t refused to give aid to Ukraine. No, we haven’t stopped hearing about vets being mistreated. No, the whistleblower didn’t make it up.”
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Post by lucyg on Nov 22, 2019 21:21:23 GMT
linkDaniel Dale did some fact checking on trump’s 53 minute rant this morning on Fox & Friends. ”No, CrowdStrike isn’t Ukrainian. No, that Texas plant didn’t just open. No, Zelensky wasn’t the one who brought up Yovanovitch. No, Trump hasn’t pulled out of Syria. No, Obama didn’t send Ukraine mere pillows. No, Trump didn’t get Veterans Choice.” “No, Yovanovitch didn’t refuse to put up Trump’s photo. No, European countries haven’t refused to give aid to Ukraine. No, we haven’t stopped hearing about vets being mistreated. No, the whistleblower didn’t make it up.” Is that ALL? Only 10 lies in 53 minutes?! That makes him seem ... almost ... honest ...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 21:30:45 GMT
You're right that we disagree and you're right that I am absolving SOME people of personal responsibility due to: Lack of academic intelligence Lack of emotional intelligence Crap parenting Crap diet/nutrition Epigenomes Other factors We don't all have the same capacity. That is the fundamental flaw of 'all men are created equal'. Maybe 'equal' under the law, but not in capabilities. So your answer is to have big brother aka the government look out for these folks and keep them safe from the big bad guys aka billionaires and the Silicon 6?
Have you been paying attention to what is currently happening in our government? I’m surprised that when you look at the White House you don’t see this ooze aka corruption seeping out from the foundations spreading throughout the District and infecting just about everything it touches. As to all humans not being being equal, you are correct. But I’m talking about those who vote and I’m making an assumption here that if these folks have the ability to register to vote and show up at the ballot box, they have the ability to spend a little time fact checking the information they are given and not living by the saying “if you read it on the internet it must be true.” YES
ps - I'll tell you a little secret. The "government" in a democracy is us. Don't tell anyone!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 21:53:47 GMT
linkA little off topic but Robin Williams home just went on the market for $7.5M. That is kind of a low price considering where it is and the house itself. My guess is the reason why it’s only $7.5M is because it’s the home where he killed himself. The house has fantastic views but I’m not sure I would want to live in the house where he hung himself in the master bedroom walk in closet.
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Post by chances on Nov 22, 2019 22:09:14 GMT
There is nothing stopping THE PEOPLE from having a say in this country other than the people themselves. Don’t like the way this country is going now, well we have no one to blame but ourselves. And it’s the people who can change this country by showing up at the ballot box and making an informed vote. Don’t like the candidates that are supported by the parties, fine work within your community to find potential candidates that have positions that benefit all Americans to challenge these individuals. People need to get involved when it comes to the gerrymandering and voter suppression. The only reason this is happening is because we allow it to happen. Problem is too many people/voters are ill informed or they just don’t care and can’t be bothered. So put the blame where it belongs and that is on the people and not some Silicon 6 or whoever. IMO I partly agree w/you. But who do you think is helping to keep people uninformed and distracted (hint: it's the Silicon Six and other tech billionaires like them) - even in a world where we have more information at our fingertips than ever before in the history of humanity? Do you really think billionaires who can buy countries and governments all over the world many times over will not often use that power to their own ends - especially if they can buy and sell politicians like so many trading cards? Not to mention the "distraction" of increasing work hours, no living wage, and shitty healthcare. I think people are being asked to do a lot while carrying a heavy burden.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 22:28:57 GMT
So your answer is to have big brother aka the government look out for these folks and keep them safe from the big bad guys aka billionaires and the Silicon 6?
Have you been paying attention to what is currently happening in our government? I’m surprised that when you look at the White House you don’t see this ooze aka corruption seeping out from the foundations spreading throughout the District and infecting just about everything it touches. As to all humans not being being equal, you are correct. But I’m talking about those who vote and I’m making an assumption here that if these folks have the ability to register to vote and show up at the ballot box, they have the ability to spend a little time fact checking the information they are given and not living by the saying “if you read it on the internet it must be true.” YES
ps - I'll tell you a little secret. The "government" in a democracy is us. Don't tell anyone!!
I get that, and its “us” that created the current government that through its actions is endangering the American People. In so many ways. Which means we can no longer put complete trust in the governments that are formed after elections. Governments that we formed through our votes. And that is why the individual voter has to pay attention and are not automatically sharing something whether it’s on Facebook, or other social media sites or IRL without at least a cursory look to make sure there is some truth behind what they are reading/believing/sharing.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 22, 2019 22:38:14 GMT
One of the articles I read today about the impeachment inquiry refereed to the Republicans at the hearings as 'flying monkeys'. I couldn't agree more. Well, this is ICE, not House Republicans. But still. Click on thumbnail to enlarge. There truly is a cartoon, meme, illustration, to show how off he is!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 22:44:26 GMT
YES
ps - I'll tell you a little secret. The "government" in a democracy is us. Don't tell anyone!!
I get that, and its “us” that created the current government that through its actions is endangering the American People. In so many ways. Which means we can no longer put complete trust in the governments that are formed after elections. Governments that we formed through our votes. And that is why the individual voter has to pay attention and are not automatically sharing something whether it’s on Facebook, or other social media sites or IRL without at least a cursory look to make sure there is some truth behind what they are reading/believing/sharing. Chicken...egg.....chicken......egg Those of us w/capacity and capability have to use the levers of government to make life better for those LEAST CAPABLE. Those of us who have more capacity and capability must ensure we pay attention, vote and put pressure so that the government (aka US) can help those w/the least capacity and least capability. After a few hundred years of more equitable outcomes - better healthcare, better education, better environment, less stress, less 76% of wealth consolidated in the hands of the 10%, then maybe, MAYBE we will see people w/more equal capacities to all pay attention and act more rationally. And then I would get behind your pov.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 0:10:01 GMT
I get that, and its “us” that created the current government that through its actions is endangering the American People. In so many ways. Which means we can no longer put complete trust in the governments that are formed after elections. Governments that we formed through our votes. And that is why the individual voter has to pay attention and are not automatically sharing something whether it’s on Facebook, or other social media sites or IRL without at least a cursory look to make sure there is some truth behind what they are reading/believing/sharing. Chicken...egg.....chicken......egg Those of us w/capacity and capability have to use the levers of government to make life better for those LEAST CAPABLE. Those of us who have more capacity and capability must ensure we pay attention, vote and put pressure so that the government (aka US) can help those w/the least capacity and least capability. After a few hundred years of more equitable outcomes - better healthcare, better education, better environment, less stress, less 76% of wealth consolidated in the hands of the 10%, then maybe, MAYBE we will see people w/more equal capacities to all pay attention and act more rationally. And then I would get behind your pov. MSNBC ” If we can’t figure out what’s fact and fiction, if we don’t have trust in our elected officials and institutions, we will be lost as a country. You can’t function as a democracy, you can’t have debate when you don’t agree on what occurred." - Clint Watts” Recent events have shown us that we can’t trust the government anymore than we can billionaires, the Silicon 6 and whoever else is on your hit list. At the end of the day we the people have to decide the difference between fact and fiction and act accordingly. No excuses.
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Post by femalebusiness on Nov 23, 2019 0:28:51 GMT
Of course there is a segment of society that is just not capable of understanding or participating in politics. Of course government should be lifting all people up. My gripe is not there, it is with those people who are perfectly capable of doing a few minutes of research to make sure the information they are passing around is factual. Most of them have plenty of time to watch reality TV and post stupid mimes on their Facebook pages or play on their phones.
Those people may be over worked and have financial hardships, they may even be a little simple but that is no excuse for believing Fox news and not checking facts or not bothering to take the fifteen minutes it takes to vote. Those same people have no problem taking from this country in the form of education, free speech, healthcare, social security etc. I know several people that are proud that they don't participate, don't vote and stay ignorant. Doesn't stop them from reaping the rewards of living in this country.
I remember being overworked, not having much money and only a high school education and it never once stopped me from voting, reading newspapers or going to the library to look things up. That was before computers. These days you can do that research with a few clicks of the keyboard.
This complete shit show of an administration can be laid directly at the feet of those people who voted for these republicans and refuse to check their facts. I for one will never forget those who did this to us all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 1:11:56 GMT
Of course there is a segment of society that is just not capable of understanding or participating in politics. Of course government should be lifting all people up. My gripe is not there, it is with those people who are perfectly capable of doing a few minutes of research to make sure the information they are passing around is factual. Most of them have plenty of time to watch reality TV and post stupid mimes on their Facebook pages or play on their phones. Those people may be over worked and have financial hardships, they may even be a little simple but that is no excuse for believing Fox news and not checking facts or not bothering to take the fifteen minutes it takes to vote. Those same people have no problem taking from this country in the form of education, free speech, healthcare, social security etc. I know several people that are proud that they don't participate, don't vote and stay ignorant. Doesn't stop them from reaping the rewards of living in this country. I remember being overworked, not having much money and only a high school education and it never once stopped me from voting, reading newspapers or going to the library to look things up. That was before computers. These days you can do that research with a few clicks of the keyboard. This complete shit show of an administration can be laid directly at the feet of those people who voted for these republicans and refuse to check their facts. I for one will never forget those who did this to us all. That's because you have intelligence. IMO: Intelligence (emotional and/or academic); Family money/connections; Love/care growing up; Health (physical mental) If you have 3 or more, you're golden If you have 2, you're probably make it If you have 1 you might make it - depending on which one If you have 0 - fuggedaboudit There are those who have the same financial hardships as you AND NO/LOW intelligence. They're the ones who need more aid, more help, "government" looking out for them. Just because you had/have intelligence, doesn't mean everyone does.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 23, 2019 1:26:00 GMT
Horowitz report on Carter Page FISA report. Mostly good news!! A Justice Department watchdog is expected to strongly criticize FBI officials for being careless in their pursuit of obtaining wiretaps on a former Trump campaign aide during the start of the Russia probe, but not find they were acting with a bias toward President Trump, The New York Times reported Friday afternoon.But the highly anticipated report from the Department of Justice inspector general (IG) is also expected to say top agency leaders did not act with a bias toward against President Trump in terms of how they undertook the probe. In particular, the DOJ IG, Michael Horowitz, faulted Kevin Clinesmith, a lower-level lawyer, for altering an email that bureau officials then incorporated in their effort to renew a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant on Carter Page. The DOJ watchdog has referred his findings about Clinesmith, who resigned two months ago, to prosecutors for a potential criminal charge, the Times reported. Horowitz also reportedly found omissions and errors in documents seeking the wiretap for Page, who had served previously on the Trump campaign and was suspected of working as an unregistered foreign agent in 2016. And while the Times reports that Horowitz will sharply rebuke the top brass at the FBI over their handling of the counterintelligence probe — which was examining whether members of the Trump campaign coordinated with Russia— his investigation did not find that anti-Trump bias among senior leaders like former FBI director James Comey, deputy director Andrew McCabe, and former counterintelligence agent Peter Strzok influenced the investigation. While the report, set to be publicly released Dec. 9, appears to confirm long-held GOP allegations that officials did not follow the proper protocols in obtaining the Page FISA warrant, the report also disputes their allegations that individuals like Comey, McCabe and Strzok acted on biases towards the president.Horowitz's report also debunks claims that the so-called Steele dossier compiled by the former British spy Christopher Steele was used by officials to launch the investigation, as well as allegations that some of the information came from the CIA officials. Democrats and Republicans are likely to seize on different parts of the report, particularly at a time when House Democrats' impeachment inquiry is looming over the Trump administration. ** More at link: thehill.com/policy/national-security/471727-doj-watchdog-expected-to-say-fbi-erred-but-absolve-top-leaders-of
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Dana Milbank
”Documents turned over by Obama administration to Benghazi probe:125,000. Documents turned by Trump administration over to impeachment inquiry: 0.”
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Walter Shaub
“Fiona Hill — upheld her oath Marie Yovanovitch — upheld her oath Bill Taylor — upheld his oath Alexander Vindman — upheld his oath George Kent — upheld his oath David Holmes — upheld his oath Laura Cooper — upheld her oath
John Bolton — got his little Twitter account back”
“Jennifer Williams — upheld her oath David Hale — upheld his oath Kurt Volker — dutifully testified Tim Morrison — dutifully testified Gordan Sondland — provided a full account on his 3rd try
John Bolton — decided to sell a book instead of testifying for free”
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 2:16:46 GMT
CNN..
”CNN BREAKING --->
Giuliani associate PARNAS willing to tell Congress that Rep NUNES met with ex-Ukrainian official to get dirt on BIDEN
@chriscuomo and @vickypjward will break it down shortly on CNN - @cuomoprimetime”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 23, 2019 2:16:49 GMT
John Bolton — decided to sell a book instead of testifying for free” We are not the only ones discussing John Bolton's decision to choose $$$$ over his oath to defend the Constitution against foreign and domestic ....
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