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Post by freecharlie on Nov 26, 2019 5:43:00 GMT
I went to university in Canada. That should say it all ROFL. The university was never called off my entire 4 years. You trudged through the snow to class and if your prof couldn't make it in there was a note taped to the door "class canceled" and you trudged back to the dorm. I went to university in Montreal. With 2-4 inches, I might have considered not biking to school. yup. Slush is worse than snow for biking
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 26, 2019 5:47:59 GMT
Up to 24 inches for northern Colorado! You enjoy all that snow. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/MNrJDkDuSwqIMVw33MdD.jpg) . This will be snowstorm number 5 tomorrow. Crazy. My dh is doing his rat studies with his triple negative breast cancer drug in a lab at fort Collins and tomorrow is day 5 of 5 Ugh...I hope the lab will be able to collect and finalize...$11,000 study. Are you a Colorado pea? I hope they can get to the lab. My parents are in FC (I'm east of there) and both of us are getting hit pretty hard.
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Post by samantha25 on Nov 26, 2019 6:01:00 GMT
My dh is doing his rat studies with his triple negative breast cancer drug in a lab at fort Collins and tomorrow is day 5 of 5 Ugh...I hope the lab will be able to collect and finalize...$11,000 study. Are you a Colorado pea? I hope they can get to the lab. My parents are in FC (I'm east of there) and both of us are getting hit pretty hard. Yes, we are in Denver near the Dumb Friends League. We work at the anschutz campus. Well, confirms the fierceness of the storm. Weather people predicted successfully this time. Fun for kids, no school but bad for science experiments.
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Post by craftykitten on Nov 26, 2019 10:27:05 GMT
2-4 inches of snow alone is not a big deal, but adding in high winds makes it dangerous in the rural areas. We're supposed to get 3-5 inches with winds of 40 m.p.h. That will be a blizzard. Driving in whiteout conditions is terrifying. It's literally like driving with your eyes closed, except you see all white. No road, no trees, no front of the car ... absolutely nothing but white. And all it takes is a few inches of snow and high winds. DS won't be able to come home from college unless he can leave tomorrow before it hits. He won't petition or complain, but it's definitely a bummer. Ah, yes, high winds does change things. But the petition idea still is a bad idea. The administration will be aware of the weather situation and if they feel the forecast warrants closing a day early they will do that. Petition is still a bad idea. The students should learn how to have a proper dialogue. They should call the administration office or send an email requesting that they would consider closing early to allow travel before there are white-out conditions. That's a much more mature approach than a petition. I'm sorry, but a petition is literally the most moderate, reasonable, "mature" way to gather peoples views and present them somewhere. If they did a march and blocked a road you'd all be complaining about that. People petition ALL the time. It doesn't mean the authorities have to do exactly what's asked. It's an established, peaceful, non disruptive way to make a point. Also they're students, isn't protesting about stuff part of college life? I find this such a bizarre thing for people to be upset about.
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Post by ellen on Nov 26, 2019 11:59:22 GMT
A few years ago high school students from a district right outside of Duluth got #SnowDayfor_______________" trending on Twitter. That area just gets blasted with snow every year and I believe they had just had two snow days and were going for a third. A lot of people were retweeting for them because it was funny.
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Post by Kerri W on Nov 26, 2019 12:12:37 GMT
My DS attends a university of 30,000 students. About 6500 live on campus. That’s a whole lot of young people on the streets in poor weather. We, too, are in that region where we often get ice before snow and we’re predicted to have high winds this weekend.
I don’t see petitions as immature. I’d be proud of my child for standing up for what he believes is right as a paying student. I’m not the type to think my child needs special treatment, people who know me would laugh at that, but a college is a business and my DS is a paying client. They should value that feedback. Not necessarily take it, but value the peaceful feedback they’re receiving.
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Post by Basket1lady on Nov 26, 2019 12:20:14 GMT
Well, DD texted last April that they had a snow day and school was canceled..I was really surprised since I hadn’t been following the weather there, but then she said they had 15” of snow. So I guess that’s justified, even in Minnesota! I don’t mind the petition—it gives students a voice and they can see what is reasonable and unreasonable in a fairly controlled environment. But yes, sometimes you just need to deal with the weather. I’m not familiar with the equipment that Nebraska has, but in Virginia, there isn’t a lot of snow removable equipment and it’s better to keep people off the roads. So school is canceled for less than an inch of snow and the school year has 10+ snow days built into its schedule. That’s a lot of inexperienced drivers on the road, after dark and in the snow. Also, the thought of an entire student body stranded in the dorms without anything to do is the stuff of nightmares for discipline. They will have a lot of issues with the partying. Not to mention, the dining hall won’t be equipped to serve meals, much less a holiday meal, without the proper food supplies and staff. I’m guess I’m saying I can see both sides of the argument! ![](http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r481/2peasrefugees/Smilies/tongue.jpg.gif)
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Post by mustlovecats on Nov 26, 2019 12:27:57 GMT
I think it’s a little weird that they don’t go home for thanksgiving. We always did, so I wonder if this is normal now for universities not to take a thanksgiving break? Most of my friends with kids in college have them home all week this week.
I don’t see any reason a university should cancel classes for 2-4 inches of snow. We never cancelled for snow and we definitely got snow frequently. You put on the right clothes and went to class. If a professor couldn’t get there, that was another story and maybe you didn’t actually have class when you got there. But we were an all residential college so we didn’t have any commuter students driving in potentially hazardous conditions, that might change my mind somewhat.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Nov 26, 2019 12:42:05 GMT
I'm sorry, but a petition is literally the most moderate, reasonable, "mature" way to gather peoples views and present them somewhere. If they did a march and blocked a road you'd all be complaining about that. People petition ALL the time. It doesn't mean the authorities have to do exactly what's asked. It's an established, peaceful, non disruptive way to make a point. Also they're students, isn't protesting about stuff part of college life? I agree with petitioning being a reasonable way to ask for change or accommodations. And in this case, I take the "nothing ventured, nothing gained" stance. They are welcome to ask. It most definitely doesn't mean they'll get what the ask for. I would imagine for many colleges/universities part of the decision is the degree wot which students live on campus vs being more of a commuter school. If they are mostly all already there, why not go ahead with business as usual. Any individual student can certainly attempt to work out alternatives with their professors or adviser.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Nov 26, 2019 12:43:30 GMT
2-4" I wouldn't bat an eye. That's the same as rain here. High winds changes the story because white out conditions are no joke. We never had classes cancelled in college. Now if we get a "snow" day, it's not a snow day for me as I just work from home.
The thought of a petition doesn't bother me. Hey, if it makes them feel better, they're not hurting anyone and the administration doesn't have to pay attention to it.
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Post by Country Ham on Nov 26, 2019 13:08:21 GMT
I think it’s a little weird that they don’t go home for thanksgiving. We always did, so I wonder if this is normal now for universities not to take a thanksgiving break? Most of my friends with kids in college have them home all week this week. I know for us holidays meant no classes yes, but the campus didn't shut down. At STFXU we had a huge international program, students from all over and while I would say 80 percent would go home for Thanksgiving (in october for Cananda) and fall break etc many didn't. I only went home for Christmas break, even then the cafeteria stayed open year round for kids who didn't go home. We were never denied access to our residence. So we could stay there even for Christmas if we wanted to.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 26, 2019 13:10:08 GMT
Well, DD texted last April that they had a snow day and school was canceled..I was really surprised since I hadn’t been following the weather there, but then she said they had 15” of snow. So I guess that’s justified, even in Minnesota! I don’t mind the petition—it gives students a voice and they can see what is reasonable and unreasonable in a fairly controlled environment. But yes, sometimes you just need to deal with the weather. I’m not familiar with the equipment that Nebraska has, but in Virginia, there isn’t a lot of snow removable equipment and it’s better to keep people off the roads. So school is canceled for less than an inch of snow and the school year has 10+ snow days built into its schedule. That’s a lot of inexperienced drivers on the road, after dark and in the snow. Also, the thought of an entire student body stranded in the dorms without anything to do is the stuff of nightmares for discipline. They will have a lot of issues with the partying. Not to mention, the dining hall won’t be equipped to serve meals, much less a holiday meal, without the proper food supplies and staff. I’m guess I’m saying I can see both sides of the argument! ![](http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r481/2peasrefugees/Smilies/tongue.jpg.gif) I can see both sides of the argument as well regarding closing or not closing. I think what bothers me is that I feel that decision should be made by people who are paid to made that decision. It seems disrespectful or the school administration to demand that they close the school. Based on posts that I have seen, a lot of schools have closed due to the weather forecast. Whether that is because of student pressure or for any of the reasons above, I’m not sure. I think In the area of her (or any of those schools) they should have adequate snow removal. The concern is that they wouldn’t be able to drive later tomorrow if the weather continues to be bad with blowing snow.
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Post by rickmer on Nov 26, 2019 13:17:42 GMT
I went to university in Canada. That should say it all ROFL. The university was never called off my entire 4 years. You trudged through the snow to class and if your prof couldn't make it in there was a note taped to the door "class canceled" and you trudged back to the dorm. I went to university in Montreal. With 2-4 inches, I might have considered not biking to school. my bf went to mcgill in montreal - my thought was "2-4 inches is tuesday in montreal". : ![:laugh:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Ivm7lm0DayrhoRpwvCeH.jpg) : i would have assumed nebraska gets snow? and that people would be used to it. i guess they can petition all they want but the university is a business so... they will make a business decision.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 13:20:50 GMT
Well, DD texted last April that they had a snow day and school was canceled..I was really surprised since I hadn’t been following the weather there, but then she said they had 15” of snow. So I guess that’s justified, even in Minnesota! I don’t mind the petition—it gives students a voice and they can see what is reasonable and unreasonable in a fairly controlled environment. But yes, sometimes you just need to deal with the weather. I’m not familiar with the equipment that Nebraska has, but in Virginia, there isn’t a lot of snow removable equipment and it’s better to keep people off the roads. So school is canceled for less than an inch of snow and the school year has 10+ snow days built into its schedule. That’s a lot of inexperienced drivers on the road, after dark and in the snow. Also, the thought of an entire student body stranded in the dorms without anything to do is the stuff of nightmares for discipline. They will have a lot of issues with the partying. Not to mention, the dining hall won’t be equipped to serve meals, much less a holiday meal, without the proper food supplies and staff. I’m guess I’m saying I can see both sides of the argument! ![](http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r481/2peasrefugees/Smilies/tongue.jpg.gif) I can see both sides of the argument as well regarding closing or not closing. I think what bothers me is that I feel that decision should be made by people who are paid to made that decision. It seems disrespectful or the school administration to demand that they close the school. And the decision WILL be made by the admin. I doubt they think it is disrespectful. Students are encouraged to give feed back on things that impact them. A petition is a peaceful way to present the opinions of all who decide to sign it. It is more peaceful than having several hundred students who up in the President's office. That can take on a mob mentality very quickly. Admin also doesn't need their email inundated with hundreds or thousands of emails! A petition is a small group presenting the requests of many people. I don't see how that is immature, disrespectful or any other negative connotation. I think there is a tendency to want to keep these young adults in the "you are a child with no say in things that impact your life" instead of seeing them as adults who DO have a say and most universities encourage them speaking up. Depending on the university, being stuck in the dorm over a holiday may mean limited meal service. We will have one cafeteria open with an exception of just a small fraction of our students being in the dorms over Thanksgiving. We aren't prepared to have most of the students stuck on campus. It would be a hardship on the staff as well as the students.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Nov 26, 2019 13:23:13 GMT
OK, I'm going to be a bit of a lone dissenter here. My dd's school did this exact thing and a change was made across the board. NOT because they wanted extra days off, they did it because the school did not do a good job of clearing the sidewalks so kids had to walk in the street which created a dangerous situation. So their petition was either do a better job of clearing the sidewalks and the roads or close the school. Obviously they are doing a better job of clearing the snow.
In this case it wasn't being entitled, it was being proactive. Wanting classes cancelled because of the holiday is stupid. Suck it up, the rest of us still have to work.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 13:23:14 GMT
I went to university in Canada. That should say it all ROFL. The university was never called off my entire 4 years. You trudged through the snow to class and if your prof couldn't make it in there was a note taped to the door "class canceled" and you trudged back to the dorm. I went to university in Montreal. With 2-4 inches, I might have considered not biking to school. my bf went to mcgill in montreal - my thought was "2-4 inches is tuesday in montreal". : ![:laugh:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Ivm7lm0DayrhoRpwvCeH.jpg) : i would have assumed nebraska gets snow? and that people would be used to it. i guess they can petition all they want but the university is a business so... they will make a business decision. Nebraska will also get high winds which creates white out conditions and you can't see more than a foot or two in front of you. I know Oklahoma is expecting winds at 50-60 miles an hour on Wednesday. Both Oklahoma and Nebraska are very very flat and pretty much tree less. There is little to slow down the wind and blowing snow. It is not like Montreal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 13:26:29 GMT
OK, I'm going to be a bit of a lone dissenter here. My dd's school did this exact thing and a change was made across the board. NOT because they wanted extra days off, they did it because the school did not do a good job of clearing the sidewalks so kids had to walk in the street which created a dangerous situation. So their petition was either do a better job of clearing the sidewalks and the roads or close the school. Obviously they are doing a better job of clearing the snow. In this case it wasn't being entitled, it was being proactive. Wanting classes cancelled because of the holiday is stupid. Suck it up, the rest of us still have to work. With an upcoming weather I think these adults are being proactive. They want to get home safely. On the plains snow and wind are not good combinations for inexperienced drivers. Keep in mind most of these students have had a drivers license for only one or two winters and parents may not have allowed them to drive during snow events. There is a legit safety issue.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Nov 26, 2019 13:38:45 GMT
She is in far Eastern Nebraska. My irritation is not that they think classes should be cancelled for that amount of snow so much as the petitioning. IMO, that is the decision of the administration and students need to respect their decisions. Are they going to petition their boss every time they want something? If the classes do end up getting cancelled, do they think it is actually a result of the petition? I live in Omaha and this does not surprise me. I expect we will get closer to 1". It's pushing farther north over Omaha, which is typical. Usually it hits north of Omaha or south of I-80. I love snow, so I'm always bummed when we don't get a good one.
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Post by fuji on Nov 26, 2019 13:44:04 GMT
Nebraska will also get high winds which creates white out conditions and you can't see more than a foot or two in front of you. I know Oklahoma is expecting winds at 50-60 miles an hour on Wednesday. Both Oklahoma and Nebraska are very very flat and pretty much tree less. There is little to slow down the wind and blowing snow. It is not like Montreal. There is a legit safety issue. ^^^Yes to both of these comments. The open prairie is a different beast entirely. There is nothing to block the wind. It is dangerous for anyone, especially young drivers to be out there. I'm from southern MN (lots of trees and river valleys) and thought it was the same everywhere. Wrong. Totally wrong. I learned that when I moved to western MN. My sister used to give me grief because I wouldn't drive in the wind/snow.......until her family had to drive home in it one year. Then she got it and completely agreed. I don't think it's wrong for kids (and their parents) to want to beat the weather so they can safely get home for a holiday.
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Post by whipea on Nov 26, 2019 13:56:14 GMT
I teach at a university and the last classes scheduled on Wednesday's end at 10:30PM. Our break is Thursday and Friday only. If students want to leave, they are adults they can do as they please and miss class.
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Post by Basket1lady on Nov 26, 2019 16:55:15 GMT
I can see both sides of the argument as well regarding closing or not closing. I think what bothers me is that I feel that decision should be made by people who are paid to made that decision. It seems disrespectful or the school administration to demand that they close the school. And the decision WILL be made by the admin. I doubt they think it is disrespectful. Students are encouraged to give feed back on things that impact them. A petition is a peaceful way to present the opinions of all who decide to sign it. It is more peaceful than having several hundred students who up in the President's office. That can take on a mob mentality very quickly. Admin also doesn't need their email inundated with hundreds or thousands of emails! A petition is a small group presenting the requests of many people. I don't see how that is immature, disrespectful or any other negative connotation. I think there is a tendency to want to keep these young adults in the "you are a child with no say in things that impact your life" instead of seeing them as adults who DO have a say and most universities encourage them speaking up. Depending on the university, being stuck in the dorm over a holiday may mean limited meal service. We will have one cafeteria open with an exception of just a small fraction of our students being in the dorms over Thanksgiving. We aren't prepared to have most of the students stuck on campus. It would be a hardship on the staff as well as the students. For my of my kids' universities, student voices were actively encouraged and listened to. They have to learn how to speak for themselves from somewhere; why not at their university? Both schools really encouraged students to handle these sorts of things for themselves vs having mommy or daddy call the dean. But as adults, they also have the option to leave early. It's a pretty poor professor who would dock students for leaving a day early for Thanksgiving break before a storm. Especially if airlines were allowing changes to tickets (indicative of the severity of the storm for travel, not necessarily because every student will take an airplane home). I would imagine the backlash on Rate My Professor would end that quickly.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 26, 2019 17:11:48 GMT
I teach at a university and the last classes scheduled on Wednesday's end at 10:30PM. Our break is Thursday and Friday only. If students want to leave, they are adults they can do as they please and miss class. I flee out one year Thanksgiving morning because I had class Wednesday night
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Post by Peal on Nov 26, 2019 18:58:08 GMT
FWIW, university of Wyoming sent out a message and closed todsy and tomorrow due to snow, but they were going to get a blizzard. To be fair, WY has a nasty habit of just closing down the interstate and no one can leave. It was probably a good idea to give the kids a fighting chance of getting home before the road closures began. Which, they did.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 19:02:17 GMT
I went to school at SUNY Oswego on the shore of Lake Ontario. In the entire 4 years I was there classes were cancelled once and that was because we got walloped with lake effect.
2-4 inches is a walk in the park to us Central NYers!
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Post by hop2 on Nov 26, 2019 19:29:27 GMT
I went to university in Canada. That should say it all ROFL. The university was never called off my entire 4 years. You trudged through the snow to class and if your prof couldn't make it in there was a note taped to the door "class canceled" and you trudged back to the dorm. Yeah, and it was pre-cel phones so the first one couldn’t let everyone else know right?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 19:54:15 GMT
Life is just so hard.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 26, 2019 19:58:15 GMT
FWIW, university of Wyoming sent out a message and closed todsy and tomorrow due to snow, but they were going to get a blizzard. To be fair, WY has a nasty habit of just closing down the interstate and no one can leave. It was probably a good idea to give the kids a fighting chance of getting home before the road closures began. Which, they did. oh, I know. Ds headed home a couple hours after they closed. Otherwise he would have been stuck there today as he would have had class
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 26, 2019 20:56:46 GMT
my bf went to mcgill in montreal - my thought was "2-4 inches is tuesday in montreal". : ![:laugh:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Ivm7lm0DayrhoRpwvCeH.jpg) : i would have assumed nebraska gets snow? and that people would be used to it. i guess they can petition all they want but the university is a business so... they will make a business decision. Nebraska will also get high winds which creates white out conditions and you can't see more than a foot or two in front of you. I know Oklahoma is expecting winds at 50-60 miles an hour on Wednesday. Both Oklahoma and Nebraska are very very flat and pretty much tree less. There is little to slow down the wind and blowing snow. It is not like Montreal. I moved from Omaha to Colorado. The winters in Omaha were 10 times worse than here. The humidity made the wind go through your coat and the snow often seemed to hit at Halloween and stay until almost Easter. I worked at the mall and dump trucks of snow would be emptied in our large parking lots and stat for months. I remember streets were icy for a week. We did have a ton of trees in Omaha, but out on the interstate there wasn't much.
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Post by Judy26 on Nov 27, 2019 0:18:30 GMT
It’s a wonderful opportunity for students to learn that petitions are generally a waste of time and energy. And for all of you who are getting snow, my thoughts are with you. Stay warm and toasty. My days of dealing with that hell called snow are right around the corner.
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Post by SockMonkey on Nov 27, 2019 0:21:13 GMT
I don't really care either way about a petition. It doesn't rub me the wrong way or anything, but it's probably ineffective. As a college student, those folks should make the best adult choice for their safety. If that means skipping a class to go home early, perhaps they should do that (and then accept any consequences that accompany that).
TBH, most of my professors in college cancelled classes right before Thanksgiving anyway, because THEY wanted to go home/be off. So.
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