PrettyInPeank
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Mar 18, 2017 19:27:28 GMT
My brother-in-law does not live near us, so his visits aren't frequent. But when he does visit, he makes me extremely uncomfortable. My oldest two are in kindergarten and preschool. When he comes over, he is just extremely physical and touchy. Tickling, wrestling, carrying them, etc. His tickles always seem to wander all over their bodies. When we are all sitting around, and one of my boys walk by, he may grab them and sits them in his lap.
Outward appearances make it seem like he really loves them, but he never engages them in conversation like someone who truly loves them does, like my mom for example. My mom will call, ask how they are, do projects with them, hug them, sometimes cuddle, she loves them like she loves me. He on the other hand, only touches. I've never heard him ask them how they are, what toys they like, normal talk.
My husband is out with friends who popped into town, and my mother-in-law offered to watch the boys so I could go, too. I was already getting ready when she said, "uncle will have fun playing with them while you're away" and my stomach dropped. So I made an excuse to stay.
He slept on the couch, and when he woke up, he pulled them up onto him. They wrestled and tickled, and I was extremely uncomfortable. His hands seem to so too low. It ended when my oldest ran off in tears because he said was somewhat pinned down and he wouldn't let him go. I heard him crying and brought him back out and demanded "no more wrestling; he is uncomfortable." I told him to tell him himself, but through tears refused because he was afraid he'd get mad.
What do I do? Am I being ridiculous? I finally told my husband and he thinks it's ridiculous, but supports me.
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Post by femalebusiness on Mar 18, 2017 19:31:35 GMT
You are not being ridiculous, listen to your gut. Your boys are too young to be left alone with someone who makes you uncomfortable.
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Post by jameynz on Mar 18, 2017 19:32:14 GMT
First instincts......if it makes you uncomfortable, and your son ends up crying - these are not two combinations I like to see together.
Family or not, I wouldn't be happy - your sons are first and foremost. I'm glad your hubby supports your decision.
Is your husband like this as well....touchy, thickly, wrestling with the boys?
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Post by Linda on Mar 18, 2017 19:32:44 GMT
trust your mummy instincts. If you're uncomfortable with it -then put a stop to it - especially if your son is upset.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 18, 2017 19:34:44 GMT
Could be innocent but it does sound a little weird. If your spidey senses are telling you something is off about it, I would trust that.
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Post by MDscrapaholic on Mar 18, 2017 19:35:01 GMT
Another one who says to trust your instincts. They are too young to stop him, so be there for them and don't allow any wrestling/tickling.
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Post by Zee on Mar 18, 2017 19:37:14 GMT
I don't think you're ridiculous. Trust your gut. Tell BIL no more tickling or wrestling because the boys don't like it, end of story.
If he continues with the touching, you might have to escalate to a sit down talk, but I'd start with the above and not leaving the boys alone with him.
I remember a creepy step-uncle when I was a kid. He liked to pinch and tickle and grab. I was only about 4 or 5 but he creeped me out and I refused to be left alone with him. Mom intervened when I told her why I didn't like him. I also refused to be left alone with grandma's husband, another handsy creep. My parents and aunt made sure I was never alone with him, grandma of course just thought he loved kids. When I was a kid I had a strong sense of self preservation and didn't mind voicing my displeasure, lol.
Talk to your boys about touching, what is inappropriate, and to always tell you if someone makes them uncomfortable. They need to know that no one is allowed to touch them without their consent and that you will take them seriously (I'm sure you know that already!)
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Post by jcmom04 on Mar 18, 2017 19:39:54 GMT
Here's my opinion:
I was always taught to trust my gut/instinct. If I was uncomfortable, and my kids were so young, I interjected myself into those situations or didn't allow those situations to happen. I taught my kids as they aged to trust their instincts, but if in doubt remove themselves from the situation.
In our church (this does have a point!), to be able to be in a class with kids we had to go through training on what sexual predators/grooming actually looked like so we could recognize it in any other adult who may be assigned to work with us (spouses couldn't work together).
Point is, learning what grooming looks like made me more aware that times I may have been uncomfortable was just because someone was more of a touchy person that me. Yet, it also helped me to teach me son (whom I believe is someone that could be groomed) what to look for/watch out for and I felt it gave me more power as a parent.
So- short answer trust your instincts. But he may just love them in a different way than your mom.
Kristin
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Post by leannec on Mar 18, 2017 19:40:22 GMT
As a survivor of sexual abuse by a family member I say trust your instincts ... don't leave your boys alone with this man ... ever.
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Post by stittsygirl on Mar 18, 2017 19:40:49 GMT
No, you're not being ridiculous. I absolutely trust mother's instinct. I have a member of my family who is a pedophile, and what you're describing sounds exactly how he would groom his victims, even young members of his own family. But he was such a "nice" guy nobody really suspected anything nefarious until he was caught molesting another child relative of mine.
I also had a Sunday school teacher who would behave the same way with the young girls in our church, and he was later convicted of child molestation.
Go with your instinct.
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Post by Lexica on Mar 18, 2017 19:46:36 GMT
I would listen to my gut 100% And even if he is not beginning to groom them with his strange touching, he made one child cry, and that child is too intimidated to tell him to stop, so that right there is enough reason to intervene with any contact he has with your boys. I would never let him alone with your boys and I would stop the tickling and wresting before it gets started. There are many ways he can interact with your boys without tickling. Toss him a ball and tell them to play catch or something else, but stop all wrestling and tickling. I personally HATED being tickled by anyone at any time. I still do. I didn't tickle my son either. And in the mean time, work with your sons on the right to stand up for themselves. It is never too early to start giving them a sense of control over their own bodies.
Oh, and just so you don't end up with an episode like I did, I had done the teaching with my son over his right to protect his body and that no one, not even family, is to ever make him uncomfortable with their touching him. He loved the phrase I used with him that "he was the boss of his own body." As a young child, there wasn't a lot he was allowed to control, but he needed to know this was his and his alone to say NO when he was uncomfortable with anyone touching him. He loved thinking of himself as a boss for some reason.
He was still very young, but he was listening to me. Then we went to his pediatrician for one of his medical visits. I didn't realize it was coming, but the pediatrician went to examine his testicles during the appointment. Right there in the exam room, he grabbed the doctor's hand and yelled NO! at him and then said, Mommy, he's doing it! I was very proud of him for reacting in this way at such a tender age, but I had forgotten to include the part that under certain circumstances, and ONLY with Mommy or Daddy present in the room, it was acceptable for a doctor to examine him in his private region. Make sure you add that into your teachings.
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Post by Sam on Mar 18, 2017 19:47:00 GMT
When Mum is in the home, it isn't the child's job to tell someone they are uncomfortable....that is why your child told you and looked for comfort and protection from you. Good opportunity to tell BIL what your kid didn't like so your child can do that in future if need be.
Sometimes it's so hard to tell what is right and what is crossing the line. I wouldn't take a Mother In law's word for anything as she is too close to her own son.
Does he have kids of his own? Just to play devil's advocate here, he may love them in his own way, but not really be engaged when not with them IYKWIM? He may see the playfighting as his way of engaging with them and not have any real experience of how to deal with children otherwise....I don't have children and, whilst I don't grab them and tickle them silly (or, obviously, inappropriately), I do have to ask for a translation of what they are trying to say to me sometimes because I am not used to them!!
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Post by hop2 on Mar 18, 2017 19:54:20 GMT
I was not really too worried from your description I mean wresttly tickly could go either way. I was just non committally reading UNTIL I got to the second paragraph. That's just weird. Flat out weird. Even my bitch of a narcissistic SIL who is all about her -her -her can have a minimum conversation with my kids.
THEN I got to your fourth paragraph and I'm like HELL NO! Who puts a child to tears and doesn't stop? He's either what your gut is telling you or he's an unfeeling, macho, toughen 'em up, type jerk who doesn't care for your children at all! You know the kind who terrorized kids because they should toughen up. Either way that's bad.
I assume it's your DH's brother? You need to have a chat with your DH. One way or the other I'd have to make it stop before your children ARE terrorized by that
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Mar 18, 2017 19:59:49 GMT
Is your husband like this as well....touchy, thickly, wrestling with the boys? No, he's not. Just normal rough-and-tumble playing when the kids initiate it. No excessive touchiness.
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Post by femalebusiness on Mar 18, 2017 20:03:03 GMT
I would listen to my gut 100% And even if he is not beginning to groom them with his strange touching, he made one child cry, and that child is too intimidated to tell him to stop, so that right there is enough reason to intervene with any contact he has with your boys. I would never let him alone with your boys and I would stop the tickling and wresting before it gets started. There are many ways he can interact with your boys without tickling. Toss him a ball and tell them to play catch or something else, but stop all wrestling and tickling. I personally HATED being tickled by anyone at any time. I still do. I didn't tickle my son either. And in the mean time, work with your sons on the right to stand up for themselves. It is never too early to start giving them a sense of control over their own bodies. Oh, and just so you don't end up with an episode like I did, I had done the teaching with my son over his right to protect his body and that no one, not even family, is to ever make him uncomfortable with their touching him. He loved the phrase I used with him that "he was the boss of his own body." As a young child, there wasn't a lot he was allowed to control, but he needed to know this was his and his alone to say NO when he was uncomfortable with anyone touching him. He loved thinking of himself as a boss for some reason. He was still very young, but he was listening to me. Then we went to his pediatrician for one of his medical visits. I didn't realize it was coming, but the pediatrician went to examine his testicles during the appointment. Right there in the exam room, he grabbed the doctor's hand and yelled NO! at him and then said, Mommy, he's doing it! I was very proud of him for reacting in this way at such a tender age, but I had forgotten to include the part that under certain circumstances, and ONLY with Mommy or Daddy present in the room, it was acceptable for a doctor to examine him in his private region. Make sure you add that into your teachings. That story is just too cute.
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Post by flanz on Mar 18, 2017 20:03:45 GMT
I don't think you're ridiculous. Trust your gut. Tell BIL no more tickling or wrestling because the boys don't like it, end of story. If he continues with the touching, you might have to escalate to a sit down talk, but I'd start with the above and not leaving the boys alone with him. I remember a creepy step-uncle when I was a kid. He liked to pinch and tickle and grab. I was only about 4 or 5 but he creeped me out and I refused to be left alone with him. Mom intervened when I told her why I didn't like him. I also refused to be left alone with grandma's husband, another handsy creep. My parents and aunt made sure I was never alone with him, grandma of course just thought he loved kids. When I was a kid I had a strong sense of self preservation and didn't mind voicing my displeasure, lol. Talk to your boys about touching, what is inappropriate, and to always tell you if someone makes them uncomfortable. They need to know that no one is allowed to touch them without their consent and that you will take them seriously (I'm sure you know that already!)  Trust your gut, mom. Your boys are relying on you to do so, to protect them. Your BIL sounds like a perv and I would never let him be alone with my kids. Never. Talking to your boys about inappropriate touch is also very, very important. Good luck.
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 18, 2017 20:03:56 GMT
It is not being paranoid to distrust someone who won't respect your kids' bodies. I would tell him that you'd prefer that he keep his hands off the kids, and I wouldn't leave him alone with them or with anyone who would give him access to them.
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Post by salem on Mar 18, 2017 20:04:35 GMT
Your son is uncomfortable with being tickled and grabbed by his Uncle. THAT is all that matters. I wouldn't care if I thought it was overreacting, he doesn't like it.
Honestly it would weird me out. I am not a touchy freely person and someone tickling my kid until they cried would make me put an end to it right there. Tell BIL your kids don't like it. You want it to stop. Make no apologies for showing your son that you are listening to him when he's telling you something doesn't feel right. You can't go back and fix this if it's allowed to progress and blown off, and the touching continues.
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Post by flanz on Mar 18, 2017 20:05:21 GMT
Here's my opinion: I was always taught to trust my gut/instinct. If I was uncomfortable, and my kids were so young, I interjected myself into those situations or didn't allow those situations to happen. I taught my kids as they aged to trust their instincts, but if in doubt remove themselves from the situation. In our church (this does have a point!), to be able to be in a class with kids we had to go through training on what sexual predators/grooming actually looked like so we could recognize it in any other adult who may be assigned to work with us (spouses couldn't work together). Point is, learning what grooming looks like made me more aware that times I may have been uncomfortable was just because someone was more of a touchy person that me. Yet, it also helped me to teach me son (whom I believe is someone that could be groomed) what to look for/watch out for and I felt it gave me more power as a parent. So- short answer trust your instincts. But he may just love them in a different way than your mom. Kristin I agree with all but the bolded. NOPE!
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 18, 2017 20:06:50 GMT
I would trust your gut, but it ma6 he that the uncle just has no idea how to relate to kids.
Tell him no more wrestling/tickling and see what happens. How does he react?
I also wouldn't leave them alone with him right now until you either feel comfortable or shut him down completely.
Finally, make sure that you have talked to and continue to talk to your kids about good and bad touch.
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Post by mcscrapper on Mar 18, 2017 20:08:07 GMT
Trust your mom instincts here and protect your kids. He sounds a bit too touchy-feely in my opinion. I agree that he needs to stop but your DH needs to be the one to tell him so. It is his family so he carries that responsibility. He needs to say that HE needs him to stop tickling the boys; not "my wife wants you to stop."
I was a tickled kid and my cousins got great pleasure of holding me down until I peed on myself. It was utterly humiliating and inappropriate! I was not a shy kid either. I begged and begged for my parents to make them stop but they ignored me. To this day, I hate those cousins. Not exactly the same situation but still not right. Come to think of it...their dad was that creepy uncle too. He always made me feel very uncomfortable.
Trust your gut!!
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 18, 2017 20:10:01 GMT
Agree with everyone... trust your gut. It could be harmless, but I wouldn't risk it. What a spot you are in though.. it's tough!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 20:13:59 GMT
I think that you and the boys do not need to be around this man.
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Post by utpea on Mar 18, 2017 20:15:47 GMT
I don't think you're being too paranoid. The fact that he crossed the line to the point of making your son cry would really bother me too. Sounds like you just need to always be around when this guy visits and your kids are present. It only takes one incident to change a child's life forever. Like so many others here have said, follow your instincts.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Mar 18, 2017 20:18:01 GMT
I should say they love the tickling and wrestling. They love their uncle. Today was the first and only time a limit was crossed and my oldest was pinned too long and ran off upset.
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Post by quiltedbrain on Mar 18, 2017 20:18:28 GMT
I don't think you're ridiculous. Trust your gut. Tell BIL no more tickling or wrestling because the boys don't like it, end of story.  Trust your gut! If you tell him no more tickling/wrestling, at worst you'll offend someone who is around infrequently. You'll be teaching your sons that you will listen to and protect them when they say they are uncomfortable and that they have control over what happens to their bodies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 20:20:18 GMT
That's the part that's the least weird to me, if he's a guy without kids of his own it might just not occur to him to engage with them on that level. He may think the tickling, wrestling etc is the way to go, he may just be that clueless when it comes to children. However, your instincts are telling you that there's something off with the situation so you should listen to them. As another poster said, it is up to you or your husband to address this with him don't leave that up to your child. He won't know how to advocate for himself in that way.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 18, 2017 20:22:31 GMT
Here's my opinion: I was always taught to trust my gut/instinct. If I was uncomfortable, and my kids were so young, I interjected myself into those situations or didn't allow those situations to happen. I taught my kids as they aged to trust their instincts, but if in doubt remove themselves from the situation. In our church (this does have a point!), to be able to be in a class with kids we had to go through training on what sexual predators/grooming actually looked like so we could recognize it in any other adult who may be assigned to work with us (spouses couldn't work together). Point is, learning what grooming looks like made me more aware that times I may have been uncomfortable was just because someone was more of a touchy person that me. Yet, it also helped me to teach me son (whom I believe is someone that could be groomed) what to look for/watch out for and I felt it gave me more power as a parent. So- short answer trust your instincts. But he may just love them in a different way than your mom. Kristin I agree with all but the bolded. NOPE! If he really cared then he would care they were uncomfortable.
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Post by anonrefugee on Mar 18, 2017 20:25:05 GMT
I was not really too worried from your description I mean wresttly tickly could go either way. I was just non committally reading UNTIL I got to the second paragraph. That's just weird. Flat out weird. Even my bitch of a narcissistic SIL who is all about her -her -her can have a minimum conversation with my kids. THEN I got to your fourth paragraph and I'm like HELL NO! Who puts a child to tears and doesn't stop? He's either what your gut is telling you or he's an unfeeling, macho, toughen 'em up, type jerk who doesn't care for your children at all! You know the kind who terrorized kids because they should toughen up. Either way that's bad. I assume it's your DH's brother? You need to have a chat with your DH. One way or the other I'd have to make it stop before your children ARE terrorized by that Trust your instinct. I was reading as Devils Advocate too, until he pinned your son. That's not something a thoughtful person would do to a puppy, much less a young human.
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Post by J u l e e on Mar 18, 2017 20:30:27 GMT
I have the worst memories of being held down and tickled to the point I was crying and couldn't breathe - even while shouting STOP several times - when I was little. I feel furious even just thinking about it now. So, even if every other part of the story was just fine and normal, the part where your child felt a lack of control over what was happening to him and walked away crying makes me so mad for him. I hate crap like that. Especially at the hands of family or someone who supposedly loves him. And worse, the "I was just playing with him" defense. Grrrr. I hope your BIL accepts being told to stop. If he does anything other than understand and stop I would worry.
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