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Post by SweetieBugs on Mar 21, 2017 23:00:00 GMT
help. The situation is I am having to spend 20 to 40 minutes crowded at my desk (to see the computer monitor) with a co-worker I haven't worked very close with before. I am not his supervisor but I am a Director and just under the owners in the org chart.
This is what happens when we sit together: --he runs his hands over his hair 5 to 8 times in quick succession --he bites his nails (not just little nibbles but full on bit, rip, tear, crunch, crunch, -the sounds are horrible) --he rubs/pick his nose and then wipes his finger tips on his facial hair (stubble, not a full beard) --he rubs his hands up and down his calves
All of this is happening as I am trying to speak to him and help his with a new project he has been assigned. He just has this nervous energy that radiates from him.
Today, while he was biting at his nails, I couldn't take it and gently reached out and patted his upper arm and said something like "oh, please don't bite your nails, we'll get this figured out" (in a soothing way, not a harsh way). Then I joked about needing gentle spa sounding music in my office but told him he was making me nervous.
I know this is an awkward situation regardless of any other circumstances. What would you do, what can I do to help out this situation. A few of his mannerisms really make me sick to my stomach. Help...
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Post by tanya2 on Mar 21, 2017 23:06:38 GMT
is it possible he has an anxiety issue of sorts and those are his coping mechanisms perhaps??
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Post by ellen on Mar 21, 2017 23:08:18 GMT
How long have you worked with him and has he always been like this? This would be incredibly distracting. I'd actually feel bad for him.
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Post by pondrunner on Mar 21, 2017 23:10:41 GMT
I hear a quirky, sensory, or potentially undiagnosed on the spectrum adult in your description. I would leave it alone.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 23:24:26 GMT
Do YOU have to be the one to be in such close contact with him? I agree with pondrunner. And I "hear" all these activities are his calming/coping mechanisms. While you are disgusted with him it sounds like he is terrified of you. Both of you could probably do better with someone of a lower level, more his peer, teaching him.
eta: if you must be the one to help him through this assignment is there any way to do it off a shared computer screen? Put it up on a smart tv screen so you can both see without being hip to hip?
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Post by SweetieBugs on Mar 21, 2017 23:31:37 GMT
I'm hearing what you guys are saying but this guy has an MBA from UC Berkeley and is a "know-it all" type. I don't have a problem with his know-it all attitude but he has been written up by the partners twice because of it. I also acknowledge that his education and behavior doesn't mean he may not be on the spectrum.
He is in a stressful situation as he has been given a huge project to tackle. I am the only person that can assist him with the data he needs to work on this project so there aren't any other options. He has approached it with a lot of bravado so this is probably a bit humbling for him.
I absolutely want him to succeed because that makes a more successful organization and it is very helpful for me to have another person that knows how to run and read the budget and accounting reports. I'm just wondering how I'm going to "survive" this experience.
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Post by disneypal on Mar 21, 2017 23:45:10 GMT
Not out of line at all....it was a kind, gentle way to help him calm down
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Post by melodyesch on Mar 21, 2017 23:45:49 GMT
Do you guys use Microsoft Lync or any other software that would allow you to share your screen with him while he's at his own desk? Most individual training at my company is done this way because it's just easier than having someone look over your shoulder. Honestly, that would drive me nuts.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 22, 2017 0:11:32 GMT
1 get some other sound or white noise going before you break 2 order some sort of work sharing type software where you can maybe be in a room but not on the same computer OR at the very least get it projected on a screen somewhere in a conference room or something. 3 can buy him a quiet fidget object like one of those squishy stressballs or something?? My DD has a handmade stuffed unicorn that fits inside her fist when her anxiety flared. I googled quiet fidget gadget and quite a few come up.
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Post by freebird on Mar 22, 2017 0:36:21 GMT
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Post by AussieMeg on Mar 22, 2017 0:38:22 GMT
OMG, just reading about his mannerisms is giving me a stomach ulcer and anxiety! I could not put up with that on a regular basis. There is a woman at work who does similar things, especially the nail biting, and she is also a nose and eye booger roller and pen clicker. Luckily we don't work in the same department, but whenever we are in a meeting or conference together I make sure I am sitting well away from her and cannot even see her. I'm sorry you have to go through this. I don't have any advice for you and clearly I am not as considerate as some of the other posters who feel sorry for the guy. I'd just want to punch him in the face.
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Post by ~summer~ on Mar 22, 2017 0:44:29 GMT
I would use webex or share your screen for the training.
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Post by pondrunner on Mar 22, 2017 0:49:44 GMT
I'm hearing what you guys are saying but this guy has an MBA from UC Berkeley and is a "know-it all" type. I don't have a problem with his know-it all attitude but he has been written up by the partners twice because of it. I also acknowledge that his education and behavior doesn't mean he may not be on the spectrum.
He is in a stressful situation as he has been given a huge project to tackle. I am the only person that can assist him with the data he needs to work on this project so there aren't any other options. He has approached it with a lot of bravado so this is probably a bit humbling for him.
I absolutely want him to succeed because that makes a more successful organization and it is very helpful for me to have another person that knows how to run and read the budget and accounting reports. I'm just wondering how I'm going to "survive" this experience. I'm married to a Stanford MBA grad and professor of mgmt who has some odd mannerisms too, I think he is on the spectrum too. Just none of us were diagnosed back then because the spectrum didn't exist, people like that were just "that kid" I know he makes some people nuts, he makes ME nuts and I'm in this for keeps. He has gotten quirkier with time, mostly he fidgets with things like pens, or he talks over people and doesn't see what he's doing, and he can be pompous as all hell. How you survive it is to put on your professional big girl pants and do your job and act polite to your coworker. You can go shake it off later and vent in private
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 22, 2017 1:14:30 GMT
OMG, just reading about his mannerisms is giving me a stomach ulcer and anxiety! I could not put up with that on a regular basis. There is a woman at work who does similar things, especially the nail biting, and she is also a nose and eye booger roller and pen clicker. Luckily we don't work in the same department, but whenever we are in a meeting or conference together I make sure I am sitting well away from her and cannot even see her. I'm sorry you have to go through this. I don't have any advice for you and clearly I am not as considerate as some of the other posters who feel sorry for the guy. I'd just want to punch him in the face. This is me as well. I get really irritated by movements and noises. I would feel bad for the guy, but it also would drive me batty. Most of the fidget ideas that people use also drive me crazy. At what point is one persons coping tool too much and an infringement on someone else?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 1:21:06 GMT
I worked with someone like that, too. She drove EVERYONE nuts. One day someone took hold of her shoulders and yelled, "STOP". No, didn't help.
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Post by Basket1lady on Mar 22, 2017 1:22:58 GMT
I'm hearing what you guys are saying but this guy has an MBA from UC Berkeley and is a "know-it all" type. I don't have a problem with his know-it all attitude but he has been written up by the partners twice because of it. I also acknowledge that his education and behavior doesn't mean he may not be on the spectrum.
He is in a stressful situation as he has been given a huge project to tackle. I am the only person that can assist him with the data he needs to work on this project so there aren't any other options. He has approached it with a lot of bravado so this is probably a bit humbling for him.
I absolutely want him to succeed because that makes a more successful organization and it is very helpful for me to have another person that knows how to run and read the budget and accounting reports. I'm just wondering how I'm going to "survive" this experience. Well, my DS has Asperger's, goes to school 1,300 miles from home, has an IQ so high they stopped measuring it when he was 12, was a junior by the end of his freshman year of undergrad work, will end up with a master's in engineering, is DEFINITELY a know-it-all, and has most of the quirks you mentioned. We joke that there's a reason why they call is ASSberger's. He tries. He really does. But if he's nervous, the ticks come out. I'm guessing that your co-worker's social skills aren't great. Sitting in that close proximity to you must be really anxiety provoking for him. I would really recommend some sort of screen sharing program as other's mentioned. I know Apple products have it and I'm glad to see that PC products do as well. I think you both would be a lot happier. Even if you are sitting side by side, it's better than looking over each other's shoulders. As pondrunner says, be kind and vent in private. One thing that we do as a family is make DS wash his hands every time we see him pick his nose. If you are a supervisor, I might have a talk with him in private about that one. Say you've noticed it, it's a health hazard, and you are going to ask him to wash if you see it happening. Hand sanitizer is good, too. The taste lingers and gives a secondary feedback to an unconscious act.
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Post by berty on Mar 22, 2017 1:37:03 GMT
"3 can buy him a quiet fidget object like one of those squishy stressballs or something?? My DD has a handmade stuffed unicorn that fits inside her fist when her anxiety flared. I googled quiet fidget gadget and quite a few come up."  I'd have a bunch of those stress ball thingies on the desk.
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Post by SweetieBugs on Mar 22, 2017 1:53:39 GMT
The stress balls and other fidget objects are a good idea. Thanks.
The only downside to that is I generally don't want people hanging in my office longer than they need to and can see those becoming fascination objects, especially to those that I don't think have been assigned enough work to keep them busy!! I have so much work to do that I work at 65 miles per hour the whole day while some people just sip their coffee and keep talking:)
Thanks.
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Post by originalvanillabean on Mar 22, 2017 1:58:16 GMT
(((Hugs))) I'd go bonkers. Hopefully once you get him up to speed you won't have to interact too much.
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Post by cade387 on Mar 22, 2017 2:01:20 GMT
Why would you not book a conference room for a transition like this? I would not be that close to a coworker for that long regardless of mannerisms.
For as annoying as it was, I also would not have touched him. That is weird too.
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Post by txdancermom on Mar 22, 2017 2:15:07 GMT
Keep the stress ball thingys in your drawer and get them out only if he is around. Hide them the rest of the time so that others aren't coming in.
Or buy a box of them and pass them out to everyone, so that yours is not a fascination
It sounds like he is very nervous working so close with you - he probably does really well when on his own
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Post by hollymolly on Mar 22, 2017 2:17:09 GMT
Regardless of personal traits, that is not an atmosphere conducive to learning. I conduct a lot of training on computer systems, it's a large part of my job. It just works better all the way around if we each have our own screens. There are free screen-sharing programs out there, or invest in WebEx or log me in. You will both be happier and he will learn more. He can still sit right beside you, but you can both have enough distance to not be in each other's personal space.
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Post by imkat on Mar 22, 2017 2:19:06 GMT
I agree that a screen share tool can be useful. If that's not possible, can you be honest, but kind, and let him know you are having a hard time concentrating with some of his fidgeting, nail biting, etc.?
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Post by Really Red on Mar 22, 2017 3:06:39 GMT
You are SOOOOO nice!!!!!!!!!!
I could handle everything but the nose and nails. Possibly even the nose, but never the nails.
I think you handled it so well. Honestly, I've had my biggest successes taking people out to lunch and talking with them. I know that in this situation lunch sounds absolutely horrific, but people relax a lot then. BE HONEST. No one else will be.
I feel sorry for him and don't know if anything you say will or is able to make a difference, but I think you should try. Someone should be able to stop themselves from biting their nails, right? And picking their nose?
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Post by nlwilkins on Mar 22, 2017 6:27:51 GMT
Ask him to go for a walk with you - even if it is around the inside of the building. Then politely and nicely talk to him about his mannerisms and ask him how you could help him get over his nervousness around you. Face to Face would be too intimidating, but walking would not mean face to face but side by side. Also, the activity helps to defuse some of his anxiety while talking about a sensitive subject matter with him. Work together on some ways of dealing with his mannerisms that are so repugnant, either group them all together with one solution, or a different solution for each one. These are bound to be hard for others to deal with as well and could be beneficial to him in the future to learn how to deal with them. Explain that to him as well. Take the approach that you want to help not punish. I used to have a manager that would do this when talking to us one on one and believe me, you don't have a chance to get anxious cause she kept the pace so fast. But, we did get a lot discussed and resolved that way.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 22, 2017 12:35:21 GMT
The stress balls and other fidget objects are a good idea. Thanks.
The only downside to that is I generally don't want people hanging in my office longer than they need to and can see those becoming fascination objects, especially to those that I don't think have been assigned enough work to keep them busy!! I have so much work to do that I work at 65 miles per hour the whole day while some people just sip their coffee and keep talking:)
Thanks. give it to him,don't keep it.
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Post by RosieKat on Mar 22, 2017 16:40:13 GMT
Have you observed him doing this (even to a lesser degree) in other situations? The stress you're admitting he's under for this can exacerbate lots of things that could lead to this type of behavior - he could have anxiety, a tic disorder, sensory issues, ASD...
I would try very hard to see if there's some way to alter the setup, as this particular setup is stressing you both out. But I would try not to say anything to him again. If it is a medically-based issue, all it will do is make him self-conscious about something he can't control, which will further stress him, which will lead to more tics, etc. It's also possible you could get some sort of reprimand if he does have a medical "excuse" and he decides you're nagging him about it. So I'd do my best to ignore it (unless he talks about it with you), and would also see if you can do anything to make the physical conditions of the training a bit more relaxing.
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Post by kelbel827 on Mar 22, 2017 17:33:17 GMT
Do you line in Georgia?  Sounds like someone I know!!
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Post by scorpeao on Mar 22, 2017 18:06:59 GMT
Today, while he was biting at his nails, I couldn't take it and gently reached out and patted his upper arm and said something like "oh, please don't bite your nails, we'll get this figured out" (in a soothing way, not a harsh way). Then I joked about needing gentle spa sounding music in my office but told him he was making me nervous. I'm a cuticle picker/chewer. I do it when my hands aren't busy. My mom used to call me a non-smoking smoker. If you said/did the above to me I'd be pissed. It's condescending. While your co-worker sounds disgusting, to point out any of his quirky behaviors is rude AF....believe me, he's aware that he's doing them.
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Post by SweetieBugs on Mar 22, 2017 19:45:16 GMT
I'm sorry scorpeao, I didn't mean to be "rude AF" (I assume this means As Fuck which is pretty vulgar for such situation) as you put it. I'm glad you told me how you would feel about it as I do want to gain as much perspective as I can.
I'm trying to type more to explain how I feel but I don't think you will understand it given your perspective. I, above all, am trying to be respectful while still maintaining my own "sanity" and be successful in our project.
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