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Post by BeckyTech on Oct 7, 2014 3:10:12 GMT
I know we have had recent discussions on panhandlers and giving money, well, this 78-year old panhandler in Oklahoma got busted by someone who was giving her money every day. Another reason to give to organizations rather than individuals. Article includes video: Man confronts panhandler driving 2013 Fiat
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Post by raindancer on Oct 7, 2014 3:16:03 GMT
That's just crazy. And so unfortunate. I'm always torn because I had a family member who was mentally ill and often homeless and often truly hungry and he rarely had his wits about him to go to a shelter. But damn.
Something like this happened to me at the Salt Lake City temple grounds once. I was there with a church youth group and we had brought money in case we could get time to Christmas shop. A bunch of us gave a guy cash on our way across the street. Later we saw him take off his tattered nasty coat and dump it in the trunk of a new BMW. He got in and drove away. He took cash from little girls.
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Post by Mary Kay Lady on Oct 7, 2014 4:24:50 GMT
That's despicable. We have a neighbor who we've seen panhandling. Granted, we don't live in an ultra-deluxe neighborhood, but it's not the ghetto either. I never give money to panhandlers.
Even when my DH was unemployed and we were worried about how to pay our bills we NEVER panhandled.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 4:31:08 GMT
See, this is why I want to give. And I did, for years and years. I gave money and food and sometimes clothes or blankets. Last year I watched two people with the "car broken down, need money for repairs, desperate, blah, blah, blah" sign look around, pull the sign out, and drive off. One of them had been using crutches as a prop and they obviously weren't needed when there was no audience. I have not given since. I am *so* bitter about the whole thing, now. But the scenario I quoted - I would hate to overlook someone really in need of help. 
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 5:22:53 GMT
That's just crazy. And so unfortunate. I'm always torn because I had a family member who was mentally ill and often homeless and often truly hungry and he rarely had his wits about him to go to a shelter. But damn. Something like this happened to me at the Salt Lake City temple grounds once. I was there with a church youth group and we had brought money in case we could get time to Christmas shop. A bunch of us gave a guy cash on our way across the street. Later we saw him take off his tattered nasty coat and dump it in the trunk of a new BMW. He got in and drove away. He took cash from little girls. Even when he doesn't have his wits about him a shelter/agency may be reaching out to him. I know I worked with a mission in Hawaii. We knew the homeless that generally stayed in our area. There were some who were quite migratory in their living patterns and others who were rather stable in the areas they stayed. We had a food bank but it wasn't often open to people asking for help. We took help to those we knew were hiding under the underpass and camping in difficult to access areas where they weren't likely to be driven out by the police. So research local groups see how they work. Fund them. You very well may still be helping those who won't/can't go to the shelters.
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Post by BeckyTech on Oct 7, 2014 5:56:54 GMT
When I lived in the Bay area I remember reading an article about panhandlers in San Francisco. Some made upwards of $60k per year - this was over 10 years or so ago.
I know some people look truly needy, but you just can't tell...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 6:04:16 GMT
I would rather be guilty of giving to someone who perhaps misrepresented themselves than of not giving to a person with a genuine need because of my own skepticism and mistrust.
I have been given much.
For every single instance of someone impersonating a homeless person, there are 20 truly homeless hungry people you and I will never see who suffer quietly and go unhelped and unacknowledged by society. I can only pray that my eyes will be keenly aware of my own ability to give and help with wisdom and generosity...whenever and wherever.
One person in Oklahoma being a scammer really doesn't let me off the hook.
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Post by doesitmatter on Oct 7, 2014 6:18:17 GMT
I would rather be guilty of giving to someone who perhaps misrepresented themselves than of not giving to a person with a genuine need because of my own skepticism and mistrust. I have been given much. For every single instance of someone impersonating a homeless person, there are 20 truly homeless hungry people you and I will never see who suffer quietly and go unhelped and unacknowledged by society. I can only pray that my eyes will be keenly aware of my own ability to give and help with wisdom and generosity...whenever and wherever. One person in Oklahoma being a scammer really doesn't let me off the hook. ^that, ITA. I give when I can and when I feel led too, because that is between God and I. What the person does with the money is between him and God. Once I have done my part I leave the rest to God 
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Post by anniebygaslight on Oct 7, 2014 6:19:13 GMT
I can understand his frustration. I remember once going to buy a Big Issue ~Click~ from someone, and my son stopped me. He had noticed his really expensive trainers, and the fact that he had been using an iPhone. I don't give to individuals now.
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Post by chances on Oct 7, 2014 6:28:08 GMT
Yeah, I pretty much agree with everything sdeven said. My only concern is that some experts seem to say that giving to panhandlers does more harm than good. That the ideal is to connect the person with mental health, addiction, or other services. But honestly, those type of services are severly lacking and underfunded in our society. I don't think I should withhold help waiting for services that really don't exist.
I like to trust educated experts. However, the only people I ever hear are city tourism boards that want to ignore the homeless and "gotcha" journalists.
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Post by sues on Oct 7, 2014 19:56:25 GMT
I have always tried to trust my gut. I gave money to a college age girl who said her car broke down and she was stranded, once. It was dark, she seemed panicked. I decided I'd rather give her money than take the chance o leaving her stranded at night with no money. If she was lying- that's for her to live with, not me.
I've bought a meal for a homeless guy drinking coffee at McDonald's on a cold day. He looked pretty down and out. If he was faking it, it was an incredible performance.
But when people station themselves outside of stores, or they walk on the median strip in traffic with signs- I tend to resist (though I'm tempted to give). There's something about it that feels manipulative. Like 'See? You have so much- bags of groceries, a nice car, etc. Give me some of that money.' I know people in real need would choose the place to station themselves wisely- of course. I mean- you aren't going to stand next to the plumbing supply store vs. stand near Walmart. You have to choose for the best advantage, I guess. But it still feels manipulative and I don't like it.
Trying to figure out who is really in need and who is maybe scamming and walking back to a new car at the end of the day - forget it. If I gave money to the woman in the OP- I'd be really mad. I'd feel duped. (How can she get a license to panhandle when she apparently doesn't really need it?) And stories like that aren't exactly scarce.
In the end, I can't give to every person asking for money. I can't give to every person raising money for a cause. I can't send a check to every charity request I get in the mail. I have a finite number of dollars for giving and the bulk of it has to go to organizations that will do the most good, for the most people.
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Post by scorpeao on Oct 7, 2014 20:19:12 GMT
I rarely give money, but I do give food. If I'm giving money it's because the 'panhandler' is doing something...playing guitar, dancing, singing, etc. I saw a documentary on panhandlers in SF and one, The Bushman (he died but he used to hide behind a bush and scare the shit out of passersby), made more money than me. If you have a gimmick it can be quite a lucrative business...tax free at that!
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Post by tiffanyannhulsey on Oct 7, 2014 20:29:49 GMT
If someone approaches me at a gas station, I offer to pay for gas. If someone is in a restaurant, I offer food or drink. I don't give cash. I don't like the ones in the median because they scare me with their waving and walking about. I've seen them cause accidents.
But my overall theory is that by giving them cash, we are endorsing the behavior. Maybe it is because I tend to be a tough love parent, but I feel that our giving of cash so freely has not helped the situation at all. I support organizations that offer assistance. Those organizations have experts that are far better than me at effecting long term change.
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Post by sugarmama on Oct 7, 2014 20:48:06 GMT
I've given food to a man on the street once when I was downtown. I have no doubt he needed it. Other times I have given to people like that have been mostly when I was traveling. I figure even if they have more than it seems, I am blessed for my kindness, regardless of their situation. At homes, I usually give through my church and various organizations.
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Post by Dictionary on Oct 7, 2014 21:39:37 GMT
Yep my dh knew a guy who used to pile his kid in the back of his car, pull to the side of the freeway, pop open the hood and wait for someone to pull over to help. He would claim he needed $ to buy a part and forgot his wallet..promises to pay the person back etc..he would easily make $200 in 15 minutes.
Another guy who worked with my dh told him to quit giving money to a gal that frequented the area where they were remodeling a building. He saw her coming out of a four star restaurant dressed to the nines.
Me I always look at people's feet to see what they are wearing..most people don't bother to wear grubby shoes. Also see people with nice bikes parked not too far off, chained to a sign. I also saw another guy pull off his shoes than walk 20 ft so he looked like he couldn't even afford to buy shoes.
I would rather donate to shelters, food kitchens and other organizations before giving out cash to these people.
ETA - I guess this lady is going to have to find a new corner after this hits the news..I am also disturbed she has a pan handlers license..that to me just seems wrong.
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Post by workingclassdog on Oct 7, 2014 21:43:59 GMT
I see at least 10 or 12 homeless people on my way home every night.. I would go broke giving to them everyday..
One guy that I wonder about.. A big black dude. Sits at the same intersection for at least the last 3 years. When I first started seeing him I would give him food or water (whatever I might have).. after awhile I stopped giving.. He sits out there every single day and apparently has enough money to smoke. I am not giving out money (although I usually gave him food).. to support his smoking habit... but makes me wonder what his story is and why has he been in the same place for years... (good corner??? maybe I should join him??)
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Post by cropduster on Oct 7, 2014 21:55:00 GMT
We had this young man on a corner next to a Ruby Tuesday's. He was there for about 2-3 years. My NDN's DD worked at that restaurant as a server. She said that twice management went out with an application telling him they had an opening and would be interested in interviewing him. He said he made too much money panhandling to bother applying. Pathetic! He moved to another major intersection. I haven't seen him around town in a few months. I wonder what happened to him.
I feel there should be laws barring panhandling.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Oct 7, 2014 22:18:22 GMT
I will buy anyone a meal but give cash for drugs, booze - no. With section 8 housing, SNAP! free health care, cell phones I figure I gave at the office.
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Post by ladytrisha on Oct 7, 2014 22:32:15 GMT
We laughed when we saw one of the panhandlers near the mall, sitting in a VERY nice camping chair, playing on his nice iPhone with his new Accord behind him. He wasn't getting a lot of donations cuz apparently he was too lazy to (a) put the phone down (b) park his car away from him and (c) sit on the curb like everyone else.
We never give directly to them - it's cash into the veins as quick as they can.
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Post by Olan on Oct 7, 2014 22:58:06 GMT
I see at least 10 or 12 homeless people on my way home every night.. I would go broke giving to them everyday.. One guy that I wonder about.. A big black dude. Sits at the same intersection for at least the last 3 years. When I first started seeing him I would give him food or water (whatever I might have).. after awhile I stopped giving.. He sits out there every single day and apparently has enough money to smoke. I am not giving out money (although I usually gave him food).. to support his smoking habit... but makes me wonder what his story is and why has he been in the same place for years... (good corner??? maybe I should join him??) It makes me sad that you feel the need to make that distinction. Some investigative journalist went to the Fiat panhandlers regular corner and she was a feisty TINY WHITE little lady. Cracked me up. There is a panhandler near my local grocery store who is always accompanied by a young child in a 500+stroller. A couple years ago I saw a thread about her on a neighborhood parents list serve. I completely agree with Sdeven
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 7, 2014 23:36:02 GMT
Cosign,
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Post by Nicole in TX on Oct 7, 2014 23:55:37 GMT
We have several sign holders around here. My DH works with several cops and they say these guys are the local drunks. They beg all day, walk to the liquor store and then to a hotel. They spend every night drunk in their hotel rooms.
There are many valid organizations who are equipped to handle the issues that these folks have. I would much rather go through them and know that my money is not buying someone drugs or alcohol.
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Post by workingclassdog on Oct 8, 2014 15:30:59 GMT
I see at least 10 or 12 homeless people on my way home every night.. I would go broke giving to them everyday.. One guy that I wonder about.. A big black dude. Sits at the same intersection for at least the last 3 years. When I first started seeing him I would give him food or water (whatever I might have).. after awhile I stopped giving.. He sits out there every single day and apparently has enough money to smoke. I am not giving out money (although I usually gave him food).. to support his smoking habit... but makes me wonder what his story is and why has he been in the same place for years... (good corner??? maybe I should join him??) It makes me sad that you feel the need to make that distinction. Some investigative journalist went to the Fiat panhandlers regular corner and she was a feisty TINY WHITE little lady. Cracked me up. There is a panhandler near my local grocery store who is always accompanied by a young child in a 500+stroller. A couple years ago I saw a thread about her on a neighborhood parents list serve. I completely agree with Sdeven I didn't mean anything by it.. he IS a big black dude.. HUGE dude.. Can't really miss him. I guess if it was a big huge white guy or a teeny tiny Chinese woman.. I would have said the same... He's been gone for two days now.. now I am wondering where he is at... although the weather is colder he might be near some shelters.
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Post by Olan on Oct 8, 2014 16:47:01 GMT
It makes me sad that you feel the need to make that distinction. Some investigative journalist went to the Fiat panhandlers regular corner and she was a feisty TINY WHITE little lady. Cracked me up. There is a panhandler near my local grocery store who is always accompanied by a young child in a 500+stroller. A couple years ago I saw a thread about her on a neighborhood parents list serve. I completely agree with Sdeven I didn't mean anything by it.. he IS a big black dude.. HUGE dude.. Can't really miss him. I guess if it was a big huge white guy or a teeny tiny Chinese woman.. I would have said the same... He's been gone for two days now.. now I am wondering where he is at... although the weather is colder he might be near some shelters. Not likely but okay.
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Post by workingclassdog on Oct 8, 2014 17:07:06 GMT
I didn't mean anything by it.. he IS a big black dude.. HUGE dude.. Can't really miss him. I guess if it was a big huge white guy or a teeny tiny Chinese woman.. I would have said the same... He's been gone for two days now.. now I am wondering where he is at... although the weather is colder he might be near some shelters. Not likely but okay. Fine then.
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Post by Zee on Oct 8, 2014 17:10:25 GMT
I'm surprised at how many people give them money. I never give anyone cash and I rarely have any on me anyway.
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Post by threegirls on Oct 8, 2014 17:18:47 GMT
I hate the people that chase you down in the parking lot and ask for money because they ran out of gas. I have had this happen more times that I can count. Ugh.
I never give cash to panhandlers because I only have so much to give and I would rather donate to organizations. I don't want to risk giving my limited amount of money to a con artist. It's money that is wasted and money that could have gone to a reputable organization.
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Post by phoenixcov on Oct 8, 2014 18:08:37 GMT
I wonder why we give fancy names to things nowadays, panhandling is begging, joyriders are car thieves. At least buskers try and give something back for your donation. I won`t give money to people who try and guilt trip me into it.
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