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Post by pierkiss on Jan 19, 2020 0:38:14 GMT
To me (and actually, what do I know!) it seems that the Queen won. I didn't get the feeling from their first announcement that they intended it to go this far. They sort of wanted their cake and to eat it too and that isn't what they got. I'm wondering how much value that Sussex brand will actually have now with so many people angry at the way they handled things. I have always LOVED Harry, and I will admit feeling disappointed in him. I am a Monarchy lover (might come from having some Brit blood in me) and I think it would have been so lovely if they had hung in, Harry hadn't had this heartbreaking split from his brother, and the four of them had been good friends. They are all four simply beautiful people with so much charm and I am sad to see this happen. But I personally feel that the Queen--ever so politely--gave them back what they dished out and more. The split between the brothers is William's fault. I've lost all respect for him. His mother is likely turning in her grave, as the saying goes. Such a disappointment. How do you know it is Williams fault? Has there been a truthful detailing of an actual fallout?
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 19, 2020 0:53:18 GMT
Based on the wording of the Queen's message that things would be reevaluated in a year, I wonder if that would give Harry and/or Meghan a chance to come back to royal life if/when they discover the grass isn't greener on the other side?
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Post by mom on Jan 19, 2020 0:58:49 GMT
So what does everything think will happen with Harry if they eventually divorce? Not because I buy into the idea that that is Meghan's long term con, marry the royal, have the royal baby, get all the things, then leave with half the things. Just that, marriage is hard and celebrity marriages seem to be harder. If they do split, will Harry be welcomed back into royal life with open arms and all rights and titles returned to him? Or is this final, he's out no matter what changes? Will it matter who is on the throne should this happen? I absolutely think Harry will be welcomed back. I think The Queen is playing the long game with todays announcement. Everything that has been taken away, can be given back if the palace wants to at a later date.
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Post by mom on Jan 19, 2020 1:01:07 GMT
Based on the wording of the Queen's message that things would be reevaluated in a year, I wonder if that would give Harry and/or Meghan a chance to come back to royal life if/when they discover the grass isn't greener on the other side? I think they are out for good - but believe Harry would be welcomed back once they are divorced. I think setting up all the checks and balances over the business dealings is also because there is some doubt Harry and Meghan will follow the agreed upon rules.
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 19, 2020 1:11:56 GMT
Based on the wording of the Queen's message that things would be reevaluated in a year, I wonder if that would give Harry and/or Meghan a chance to come back to royal life if/when they discover the grass isn't greener on the other side? I think they are out for good - but believe Harry would be welcomed back once they are divorced. I think setting up all the checks and balances over the business dealings is also because there is some doubt Harry and Meghan will follow the agreed upon rules. I noticed you said "once they are divorced". 😉 You're not the only one who feels like this may not be a long lasting union. Unfortunately, I don't know what will happen with Archie in that scenario.
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Post by mom on Jan 19, 2020 1:21:35 GMT
I think they are out for good - but believe Harry would be welcomed back once they are divorced. I think setting up all the checks and balances over the business dealings is also because there is some doubt Harry and Meghan will follow the agreed upon rules. I noticed you said "once they are divorced". 😉 You're not the only one who feels like this may not be a long lasting union. Unfortunately, I don't know what will happen with Archie in that scenario. Yeah I don't see this relationship lasting. When they were first married I thought they were a good match. I dont think so anymore. I give it two years, max.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Jan 19, 2020 2:12:48 GMT
I noticed you said "once they are divorced". 😉 You're not the only one who feels like this may not be a long lasting union. Unfortunately, I don't know what will happen with Archie in that scenario. Yeah I don't see this relationship lasting. When they were first married I thought they were a good match. I dont think so anymore. I give it two years, max. I still think the two of them are a good match. I don't think she is a good match with the royal family. I'm sure that if Meghan wanted to give things another try they would welcome her back, but I don't think she is amenable to the restrictions and limitations a royal life has.
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Post by mikklynn on Jan 19, 2020 2:23:32 GMT
Sorry, I'm 100% Team Sussex. If the palace had done more to support them & speak out against the racism Meghwn faced, this might not have happened. Good on Harry for protecting his wife, Those are my thoughts, too. As to her family, no loving father would spew to the tabloids or testify for the tabloids.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 19, 2020 2:50:33 GMT
right now I feel sorry for Harry. How has it all gone so wrong? I can’t believe he isn’t torn over this...having lost his mother so young he’s now walking away from his family. I hope it doesn’t ever come back to bite him. It's the brother's relationship that I feel the most sadness for, through this whole mess I think that's probably hardest thing for both of them. Ultimately though, I do think that not being a working royal is what Harry wants. Who knows if this would be different if his mother had not died, but I don't think this life has ever been a good fit for his personality, unlike William. I also don't think their marriage will last either, they didn't know each other well before they got married then they've had 2 years of so many changes and so much negativity with much of it self imposed...her father showed his true colours during the wedding and he has run to the media after every conversation, yet they send him a hard copy letter anyway? And now they are suing the media because her father is a dick and they made a poor decision? The more they struggled with the lack of privacy, the more they tried to do things privately and that just got them more criticism, it was a vicious circle that would be unsustainable in the long term. Now this leaving the royal family. It would be almost impossible for this not to affect their marriage in a negative way. Plus she was married before and that ended quite quickly so she doesn't haver a history of sticking things out and trying to make it work. Meghan had no idea what she was getting into, was totally unprepared and Harry who was himself unsettled in his role wasn't able to help her adjust. It's going to take a lot of work to get over all of that and stay married....and they seem to both be people who act more on impulse. Ultimately though I am surprised that they are effectively out...I did think they would get their own way with this 'half in' idea. I thought it was quite rude of them to get the "SussexRoyal" trademark and think they were going to cash in that way. I hope they won't be able to use that...it's a bit tacky IMO.
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Post by zella on Jan 19, 2020 3:27:42 GMT
I can't help feeling that if they are giving up being part of the firm, they should have no title. No Duke or Duchess. Particularly since this was their wish, not something that happened due to divorce for example. I just knew Meghan wouldn't be able to handle the Royal Family.It's difficult for a Brit to cope with, someone who's grown up with the institution. For a foreigner? And a semi-famous one at that who is very much used to independence? Next to impossible. It's being played almost as though Harry wanted out, and Meghan was the way for him to get out. That may be true too. I'm no fan of the firm, so I guess I don't care one way or another. But I am not remotely surprised at this outcome. I mean, the king stepped away for Wallace Simpson and they still got to be duke and duchess. And that was a much bigger deal and he turned out to be a much bigger asshole. Yeah, I think that was a mistake too. They shouldn't have had titles.
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Post by gar on Jan 19, 2020 9:32:03 GMT
right now I feel sorry for Harry. How has it all gone so wrong? I can’t believe he isn’t torn over this...having lost his mother so young he’s now walking away from his family. I hope it doesn’t ever come back to bite him. It's the brother's relationship that I feel the most sadness for, through this whole mess I think that's probably hardest thing for both of them. Ultimately though, I do think that not being a working royal is what Harry wants. Who knows if this would be different if his mother had not died, but I don't think this life has ever been a good fit for his personality, unlike William. I also don't think their marriage will last either, they didn't know each other well before they got married then they've had 2 years of so many changes and so much negativity with much of it self imposed...her father showed his true colours during the wedding and he has run to the media after every conversation, yet they send him a hard copy letter anyway? And now they are suing the media because her father is a dick and they made a poor decision? The more they struggled with the lack of privacy, the more they tried to do things privately and that just got them more criticism, it was a vicious circle that would be unsustainable in the long term. Now this leaving the royal family. It would be almost impossible for this not to affect their marriage in a negative way. Plus she was married before and that ended quite quickly so she doesn't haver a history of sticking things out and trying to make it work. Meghan had no idea what she was getting into, was totally unprepared and Harry who was himself unsettled in his role wasn't able to help her adjust. It's going to take a lot of work to get over all of that and stay married....and they seem to both be people who act more on impulse. Ultimately though I am surprised that they are effectively out...I did think they would get their own way with this 'half in' idea. I thought it was quite rude of them to get the "SussexRoyal" trademark and think they were going to cash in that way. I hope they won't be able to use that...it's a bit tacky IMO. I think possibly Meghan thought she could just come into the Royal family and do it her/their way - but that was never going to work off the bat with such a well established and long standing institution as that. If she had bided her time a little, I think she/they could have developed the role she/they sought to play but initially she had to embed herself in as a Royal first and do things their way, watch and learn, and that didn't happen. But she's not a young girl, she's an established confident worldly woman in her 30s and she saw no reason to do that. I'm not surprised they're out. The Queen doesn't look favourably on abdication of duties from everything we know about her so I imagine she wasn't impressed by their wish to be half in half out. Do it 'properly or not at all' sort of thing. I do hope their marriage can survive past the initial thrill of being released from the constraints of royalty. It would be devastating for Harry and I would hate to see that.
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Post by birdgate on Jan 19, 2020 9:43:34 GMT
I read Harry also inherited money from his mothers trust as well. They’re not going to be panhandling for money. It's entertaining watching people all over the internet speculate that the only way they'll earn income is through selling royal tchotchkes and they'll be struggling while doing it. Do they have any idea who their social circle, friends, and networks are not including their personal hired team? Harry will be golfing with Obama in Palm Springs soon, Meghan hanging out with Oprah in Santa Barbara, Michelle, Serena and Silicon Valley networking and attending events. Maybe we'll finally get that interview now, now that they're free to express themselves. The rags could take advantage because they knew they couldn't respond and worst of all the public believing the stories. I'm sure they won't be missing all their backstabbing assistants and "friends" that love to leak stories about them and do exclusives with Dailymail. I can just imagine all the behind the scene stories the public's not privy too. I trust Doria is giving them sage advice and keeping it real. Her dad is just pitiful.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Jan 19, 2020 10:35:27 GMT
I read Harry also inherited money from his mothers trust as well. They’re not going to be panhandling for money. It's entertaining watching people all over the internet speculate that the only way they'll earn income is through selling royal tchotchkes and they'll be struggling while doing it. Do they have any idea who their social circle, friends, and networks are not including their personal hired team? Harry will be golfing with Obama in Palm Springs soon, Meghan hanging out with Oprah in Santa Barbara, Michelle, Serena and Silicon Valley networking and attending events. Maybe we'll finally get that interview now, now that they're free to express themselves. The rags could take advantage because they knew they couldn't respond and worst of all the public believing the stories. I'm sure they won't be missing all their backstabbing assistants and "friends" that love to leak stories about them and do exclusives with Dailymail. I can just imagine all the behind the scene stories the public's not privy too. I trust Doria is giving them sage advice and keeping it real. Her dad is just pitiful. Thank you for summing up a lot of what I’ve been thinking
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Post by bessieb on Jan 19, 2020 14:55:31 GMT
Yes he is 6th in line and that won't change.
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 19, 2020 15:27:23 GMT
When the queen dies, and it will be sooner than later, Harry is bound to receive a huge chunk of money as well. He is set for life, as are his children. Why work for the throne that will ultimately be William's? What happens if the entire Cambridge family dies, such as in a plane crash? Is Harry still in line for the throne? Harry and Meghan are my favorite royals, btw. I had this thought last night as well. Harry would still be next in line. He would have to formally abdicate at that point if he really didn’t want to do it. Don’t know who it would go to if he said no. But, can someone answer this for me? When William and his wife and children travel, does he fly with Prince George? Or will they take separate flights just in case something happens to William? Like how the president and the Vice President do not often travel together?
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Jan 19, 2020 15:37:40 GMT
When the queen dies, and it will be sooner than later, Harry is bound to receive a huge chunk of money as well. He is set for life, as are his children. Why work for the throne that will ultimately be William's? What happens if the entire Cambridge family dies, such as in a plane crash? Is Harry still in line for the throne? Harry and Meghan are my favorite royals, btw. I had this thought last night as well. Harry would still be next in line. He would have to formally abdicate at that point if he really didn’t want to do it. Don’t know who it would go to if he said no. But, can someone answer this for me? When William and his wife and children travel, does he fly with Prince George? Or will they take separate flights just in case something happens to Williafm? Like how the president and the Vice President do not often travel together? After Harry it is Andrew, then his daughters. I believe William and George are supposed to travel separately, but that "rule" is not followed at this time.
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Post by wellway on Jan 19, 2020 15:42:43 GMT
I had this thought last night as well. Harry would still be next in line. He would have to formally abdicate at that point if he really didn’t want to do it. Don’t know who it would go to if he said no. But, can someone answer this for me? When William and his wife and children travel, does he fly with Prince George? Or will they take separate flights just in case something happens to Williafm? Like how the president and the Vice President do not often travel together? After Harry it is Andrew, then his daughters. I believe William and George are supposed to travel separately, but that "rule" is not followed at this time. My understanding is that Archie is before Andrew. www.royal.uk/succession
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Post by gar on Jan 19, 2020 16:08:57 GMT
After Harry it is Andrew, then his daughters. I believe William and George are supposed to travel separately, but that "rule" is not followed at this time. My understanding is that Archie is before Andrew. www.royal.uk/successionYes, Archie is 7th in line.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 19, 2020 16:19:59 GMT
I had this thought last night as well. Harry would still be next in line. He would have to formally abdicate at that point if he really didn’t want to do it. Don’t know who it would go to if he said no. But, can someone answer this for me? When William and his wife and children travel, does he fly with Prince George? Or will they take separate flights just in case something happens to Williafm? Like how the president and the Vice President do not often travel together? After Harry it is Andrew, then his daughters. I believe William and George are supposed to travel separately, but that "rule" is not followed at this time. This was true until Archie was born. Now it’s Archie then Andrew.
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Post by 16joy on Jan 19, 2020 16:32:17 GMT
I admit to having having a soft spot for harry because I have a red headed son. In fact, he dressed as harry -pilot- for a Halloween at school as it was easy/cheap to get a flight suit at the a-n surplus store. Only one teacher guessed who he was even though he had Wales on the nametape.
If royal duties are too much of a burden, why doesnt he take his name off the succession list? If he doesn't do that, it would seem he's ok to be king and the trappings that go with that.
Did anyone see the video where H and M hit up the director too? Meghan said they came there to pitch. Wow no shame in her game. She did end up with voice over work so I suppose it worked
Eta: I realize a lot dreadful things would have to happen to the current people above him for him to ever be king and it's virtually a non issue.
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Post by Peamac on Jan 19, 2020 16:46:14 GMT
The split between the brothers is William's fault. I've lost all respect for him. His mother is likely turning in her grave, as the saying goes. Such a disappointment. For telling his brother not to jump into marriage with a woman he hardly knew when both William and Harry knew what royal life was truly like? Kate got a lot of flack for being "Waity Katie," but at least she was well aware of what was facing her. If Harry had felt the same level of concern for Meghan, he should have waited. Honestly, based on interviews he's given, I think Harry got what he wanted before he met Meghan. At least now he has a scapegoat. But didn't Harry and Meghan date for over two years? At their ages, it seems like enough time to mentally prepare for becoming a royal. William and Kate dated longer (and broke up for a while), but they started dating in college- much younger than H&M.
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 19, 2020 17:19:55 GMT
For telling his brother not to jump into marriage with a woman he hardly knew when both William and Harry knew what royal life was truly like? Kate got a lot of flack for being "Waity Katie," but at least she was well aware of what was facing her. If Harry had felt the same level of concern for Meghan, he should have waited. Honestly, based on interviews he's given, I think Harry got what he wanted before he met Meghan. At least now he has a scapegoat. But didn't Harry and Meghan date for over two years? At their ages, it seems like enough time to mentally prepare for becoming a royal. William and Kate dated longer (and broke up for a while), but they started dating in college- much younger than H&M. They started dating middle of 2016 and announced their engagement November 2017. While that is plenty of time for most people in their 30s, when you are signing up for what is usually a lifetime commitment to a thousand year old institution, less than 18 months doesn't seem like enough time.
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Post by Peamac on Jan 19, 2020 17:29:43 GMT
But didn't Harry and Meghan date for over two years? At their ages, it seems like enough time to mentally prepare for becoming a royal. William and Kate dated longer (and broke up for a while), but they started dating in college- much younger than H&M. They started dating middle of 2016 and announced their engagement November 2017. While that is plenty of time for most people in their 30s, when you are signing up for what is usually a lifetime commitment to a thousand year old institution, less than 18 months doesn't seem like enough time. Thanks, mich5481! I had read that they dated for over two years before getting engaged, but July 2016 through Nov 2017 is definitely NOT two years. I agree- 18 months is not enough time to prepare for the life of a royal!
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Post by wellway on Jan 19, 2020 17:40:46 GMT
They started dating middle of 2016 and announced their engagement November 2017. While that is plenty of time for most people in their 30s, when you are signing up for what is usually a lifetime commitment to a thousand year old institution, less than 18 months doesn't seem like enough time. Thanks, mich5481 ! I had read that they dated for over two years before getting engaged, but July 2016 through Nov 2017 is definitely NOT two years. I agree- 18 months is not enough time to prepare for the life of a royal! In addition, according to wiki, they made their first official royal engagement in Sept 2017 and were married by May 2018. I can imagine most of those intervening months were taken up with wedding preparations. So Meghan didn't even experience a full calendar year of royal events, expectations or British/ Royal ways.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 19, 2020 17:42:03 GMT
I admit to having having a soft spot for harry because I have a red headed son. In fact, he dressed as harry -pilot- for a Halloween at school as it was easy/cheap to get a flight suit at the a-n surplus store. Only one teacher guessed who he was even though he had Wales on the nametape. If royal duties are too much of a burden, why doesnt he take his name off the succession list? If he doesn't do that, it would seem he's ok to be king and the trappings that go with that. Did anyone see the video where H and M hit up the director too? Meghan said they came there to pitch. Wow no shame in her game. She did end up with voice over work so I suppose it worked Eta: I realize a lot dreadful things would have to happen to the current people above him for him to ever be king and it's virtually a non issue. Do you mean the video with Bob Iger? He isn’t a director, he’s the CEO of Disney.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 17:48:07 GMT
The Firm, The Institution, The Family. They really are just a tourist attraction when it comes down to it. I’m shocked that this thread is 14 pages long so far. But I guess I shouldn’t be because so are DisneyWorld threads. And I just read most of it myself, so there’s that. 😂
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Post by 16joy on Jan 19, 2020 17:58:21 GMT
Myshelly. This is a second one from that night. The receiving line was Igur, Beyonce and the director. This is from the director not Igur. It's both of them talking with the director. She says they are really there to pitch. You can see Beyonce look away
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Post by myshelly on Jan 19, 2020 18:12:46 GMT
Myshelly. This is a second one from that night. The receiving line was Igur, Beyonce and the director. This is from the director not Igur. It's both of them talking with the director. She says they are really there to pitch. You can see Beyonce look away Ooh, I’d like to see that one. Do you have a link?
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Post by myshelly on Jan 19, 2020 18:16:09 GMT
Myshelly. This is a second one from that night. The receiving line was Igur, Beyonce and the director. This is from the director not Igur. It's both of them talking with the director. She says they are really there to pitch. You can see Beyonce look away Found it: www.dailymail.co.uk/video/princeharry/video-2090900/Video-Prince-Harry-pitches-voiceover-work-Lion-King-director.htmlHoly yikes, that’s worse than the Iger one. When you combine the two videos, they were beyond tactless and rude and awkward at that event. Did they ever think that maybe Wills and Kate are better liked because they are genuinely better at their royal duties? They’re graceful and tactful. Harry and Meghan seem like a nightmare.
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 19, 2020 19:40:17 GMT
Myshelly. This is a second one from that night. The receiving line was Igur, Beyonce and the director. This is from the director not Igur. It's both of them talking with the director. She says they are really there to pitch. You can see Beyonce look away Found it: www.dailymail.co.uk/video/princeharry/video-2090900/Video-Prince-Harry-pitches-voiceover-work-Lion-King-director.htmlHoly yikes, that’s worse than the Iger one. When you combine the two videos, they were beyond tactless and rude and awkward at that event. Did they ever think that maybe Wills and Kate are better liked because they are genuinely better at their royal duties? They’re graceful and tactful. Harry and Meghan seem like a nightmare. Wow, maybe he knew the Mandalorian would be huge, and wanted to get in on that? I think they need to be aware of hot mics at all times.
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