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Post by gar on Jan 19, 2020 19:44:31 GMT
The Firm, The Institution, The Family. They really are just a tourist attraction when it comes down to it. That's not true. It might look like it from where you are but no. And maybe it's a long thread partly because there are British Peas here who might be more interested than you.
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 19, 2020 20:25:17 GMT
You know, I've been wondering about those vidoes of their pitches for voice over work that were made at the "Lion King" premiere. Why are they just coming out now?
Could it be that being royal protected them from negative press for their inappropriate behavior? I would have thought those stories would have made a major fuss at that time, but I all can remember from the time of the premiere was talk about Meghan's first outing during maternity leave and the interaction with Beyonce and Jay Z.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Jan 19, 2020 20:33:50 GMT
Oops, I did forget Archie. But if Harry hates royal life so much that he would abdicate the throne, don't you think he would also do so on behalf of his presumably minor child?
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Jan 19, 2020 20:37:15 GMT
The Firm, The Institution, The Family. They really are just a tourist attraction when it comes down to it. Iâm shocked that this thread is 14 pages long so far. But I guess I shouldnât be because so are DisneyWorld threads. And I just read most of it myself, so thereâs that. đ The thread on which wallpaper should I pick was 5 pages long last I saw it. Wouldn't you agree that this subject is more newsworthy than that?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 20:55:14 GMT
The Firm, The Institution, The Family. They really are just a tourist attraction when it comes down to it. That's not true. It might look like it from where you are but no. And maybe it's a long thread partly because there are British Peas here who might be more interested than you. Iâm Canadian and still donât see any real function or validity for a so-called *royal* family (whatever that is) other than the charity work they do because they have a lot of time and money on their hands. I guess weâll just have to disagree. But I donât think being a huge tourist attraction is a bad thing for the UKâs economy, so thereâs a positive.
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Post by birukitty on Jan 19, 2020 21:57:25 GMT
Itâs just been announced that Prince Harry and Meghan will lose their HRH titles and will receive no money. I'm happy with this ruling and think the Queen "won" if you want to look at it like that. As I mentioned on my previous post back on page 7 I do feel sympathy for Harry and Meghan feelings and their desires for a more private life, but it's the way they went about this behind the Queen's back that left a bad taste in my mouth and made me lose all respect for them. To tell the honest truth I haven't really been fond of Meghan but I can't put my finger on why. I guess I thought a British young woman would be a better choice for him but the heart wants what the heart wants-right? We don't choose who we fall in love with. Back to the subject-I didn't like the idea of half-in, half out at all. It was like having your cake and eating it too. This ruling put the Queen and the monarchy back into control and saves the institution. If they want out so badly-fine, they're out. But for a price. Losing their HRH titles and no money. As an American who is a avid reader of history I do see the importance of the British monarchy system and until England decides to change it I don't wish to see it destroyed from within. I truly respect the Queen and all of the work and sacrifice she has done through the many decades and years she has devoted her life to being Queen. No, no one held a gun to her head (as a Pea wrote many pages back on this thread) as she took the oath to become Queen, they didn't have to. Duty was all it took. Duty that was ingrained in her from the time her father became King.
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 19, 2020 22:32:59 GMT
Oops, I did forget Archie. But if Harry hates royal life so much that he would abdicate the throne, don't you think he would also do so on behalf of his presumably minor child? I donât think he can make that decision on behalf of his child. I have nothing to back up my opinion. I sincerely think it would be Archieâs decision to make.
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Post by gar on Jan 19, 2020 23:11:48 GMT
Harry's speech tonight at a dinner party, saying that he wanted to tell his side of the story... Link
Comments seem to vary from "So she's still writing his speeches for him" to "Love you Harry".
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Post by Jessica on Jan 20, 2020 0:44:57 GMT
Harry's speech tonight at a dinner party, saying that he wanted to tell his side of the story... Link
Comments seem to vary from "So she's still writing his speeches for him" to "Love you Harry". Oof. Someone close to them needs to get them under control. I get the reasoning as to why Harry thought their side needed to be told, but I thought it was in poor taste and reminded me of a little kid trying to get a less severe punishment after it's been handed down. I'm totally enthralled because this is uncharted territory for the monarchy and it's a complete trainwreck at the moment. And I wish it wasn't. I wish them well and hope this truly will be everything they're imagining it to be. But they need to go silent for a bit. The public will come around because H&M are truly charming, but they need to go hole up for a while.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 20, 2020 0:53:32 GMT
Harry's speech:
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Post by cycworker on Jan 20, 2020 1:11:15 GMT
They started dating middle of 2016 and announced their engagement November 2017. While that is plenty of time for most people in their 30s, when you are signing up for what is usually a lifetime commitment to a thousand year old institution, less than 18 months doesn't seem like enough time. Thanks, mich5481 ! I had read that they dated for over two years before getting engaged, but July 2016 through Nov 2017 is definitely NOT two years. I agree- 18 months is not enough time to prepare for the life of a royal! There are a lot of people who know within 18 months when they've found the person with whom they wish to spend the rest of their lives. So so tired of the Meghan bashing. Particularly disheartened to read comments like 'I give it two years." When you find yourself on the same side as Piers Morgan, it may be time for some soul searching. Off to find an article for everyone about this subject.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 20, 2020 1:13:30 GMT
I find the whole speech very odd. It's all about the love and support he's had growing up, how this is his life, how he wants to 'serve', welcoming Meghan with open arms - yet they still made this decision??
He seems to suggest that they wanted to stop taking "public funding" and that's one the reason, and the media is the other, but that doesn't make a lot of sense. If he feels loved & "cared for" by the public, then already knows how they feel, so why let the media affect you to that degree? He's painting himself as a bit of a martyr - "all he wants to do is serve" is said 4 times. He's obviously trying to gain sympathy by making sure people think it wasn't the duties he didn't want to perform.
Interesting that he mentions the Queen, but not his father or brother. It sounds like a real split from his family - in her original statement the Queen used the word family 8 times, Harry only uses it once here. What is not said is more interesting and informative than what he did say.
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Post by Peamac on Jan 20, 2020 1:17:41 GMT
Thanks, mich5481 ! I had read that they dated for over two years before getting engaged, but July 2016 through Nov 2017 is definitely NOT two years. I agree- 18 months is not enough time to prepare for the life of a royal! There are a lot of people who know within 18 months when they've found the person with whom they wish to spend the rest of their lives. So so tired of the Meghan bashing. Particularly disheartened to read comments like 'I give it two years." When you find yourself on the same side as Piers Morgan, it may be time for some soul searching. Off to find an article for everyone about this subject. I agree, cycworker - DH and I got engaged on the one year anniversary of our first date, and married 8 months later. And we've been married almost 30 years. I just meant that more time to learn how to handle being a royal could have been helpful. I certainly hope they live happily ever after, in spite of all the critics.
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 20, 2020 1:31:16 GMT
Thanks, mich5481 ! I had read that they dated for over two years before getting engaged, but July 2016 through Nov 2017 is definitely NOT two years. I agree- 18 months is not enough time to prepare for the life of a royal! There are a lot of people who know within 18 months when they've found the person with whom they wish to spend the rest of their lives. Â So so tired of the Meghan bashing. Â Particularly disheartened to read comments like 'I give it two years." When you find yourself on the same side as Piers Morgan, it may be time for some soul searching. Off to find an article for everyone about this subject. Â đ Given her history of abandoning people and places when she gets what she wants, I think she's earned it. I also said that I thought for most people in their 30s, 18 months (technically for Harry and Meghan it was less than 18 months) to know that you've met the person you want to spend the rest of your life with. They got married less than two years of meeting each other, and she CHOSE to join a thousand year old institution. If she had been patient, she could have changed the monarchy more to her liking. Than again, from what I've read, so she's petty that she isn't moving back to the States until Donald Trump is out of office. Regardless of your feelings for him, it speaks volumes about how she feels about her home country.
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 20, 2020 1:33:33 GMT
Apparently she changed the domicile of her company (Frim Fram Inc) from California to Delaware just before New Year's Eve. Speculation is because Delaware had corporation friendly laws in place that would shield more of their activities AND they have a lower tax rate than California.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 20, 2020 1:56:47 GMT
I continue to believe they haven't got a clue. Everything they put out is rushed and could use some editing for tone. You have the vocal supporters and the detractors, and then you have the majority of us in the middle just watching this go down. I think they are burning good will and still sound whiney and entitled (and while not a stan, I was thrilled when Meghan joined the BRF for some needed diversity). It's all being done so damn unprofessionally. I continue to be amazed that nobody is telling them, or that they are so dumb as to not take the advice and let it rest before they blunder into another tone deaf statement to the public.
Also, commenting on your belief that they won't last as a married couple is kinda what we do here. They don't get a pass because they are Harry and Meghan. It's not like we're hoping they get divorced, but the red flags are surely flying as this continues. We speculate about famous people's lives all the time. I don't think Meghan is reading here and getting her feelings hurt. Or is she.... <<Hi Meghan! I think you're beautiful and Archie is a doll!
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Post by cycworker on Jan 20, 2020 2:22:20 GMT
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Post by lesserknownpea on Jan 20, 2020 2:30:56 GMT
Oh, my. That is so good. And coming from a Brutish man who has followed the whole thing, very well put.
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Post by cycworker on Jan 20, 2020 2:31:33 GMT
There are a lot of people who know within 18 months when they've found the person with whom they wish to spend the rest of their lives. So so tired of the Meghan bashing. Particularly disheartened to read comments like 'I give it two years." When you find yourself on the same side as Piers Morgan, it may be time for some soul searching. Off to find an article for everyone about this subject. đ Given her history of abandoning people and places when she gets what she wants, I think she's earned it. I also said that I thought for most people in their 30s, 18 months (technically for Harry and Meghan it was less than 18 months) to know that you've met the person you want to spend the rest of your life with. They got married less than two years of meeting each other, and she CHOSE to join a thousand year old institution. If she had been patient, she could have changed the monarchy more to her liking. Than again, from what I've read, so she's petty that she isn't moving back to the States until Donald Trump is out of office. Regardless of your feelings for him, it speaks volumes about how she feels about her home country. If I were American and had the opportunity to live elsewhere while Trump was in office I would take it. It tells me she loves her kid enough to not subject him to the MAGA crowd. The bit about her abandoning people - did you get that from the tabloids or her slimebag father?
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 20, 2020 2:32:04 GMT
There are a lot of people who know within 18 months when they've found the person with whom they wish to spend the rest of their lives. So so tired of the Meghan bashing. Particularly disheartened to read comments like 'I give it two years." When you find yourself on the same side as Piers Morgan, it may be time for some soul searching. Off to find an article for everyone about this subject. đ Given her history of abandoning people and places when she gets what she wants, I think she's earned it. I also said that I thought for most people in their 30s, 18 months (technically for Harry and Meghan it was less than 18 months) to know that you've met the person you want to spend the rest of your life with. They got married less than two years of meeting each other, and she CHOSE to join a thousand year old institution. If she had been patient, she could have changed the monarchy more to her liking. Than again, from what I've read, so she's petty that she isn't moving back to the States until Donald Trump is out of office. Regardless of your feelings for him, it speaks volumes about how she feels about her home country. To be fair, I wouldn't move back to this country until Trump is out of office either. He is a giant turd in the toilet tank, and I would be perfectly happy waiting elsewhere while he fucks everything up during his time in office. Alas, I have no other country to call home, so I get to ride out the rest of this shitty presidency with everyone else.
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Post by lizacreates on Jan 20, 2020 2:46:11 GMT
That piece was wonderfully written. Thank you for sharing it. Iâve never truly understood the accusations that Meghan is to be blamed for their stepping back, as if Harry is some henpecked husband whoâs being led by a leash like a dog. I thought the resolution was the best outcome for both parties, but you canât please everyone. Despite the fact that H&M wonât use their HRH titles, wonât represent the monarchy, will repay the cost of doing up Frogmore, will finance their independent lives, will not be subsidized by British taxpayers, etc, some will still find reason to complain and criticize. Funny you should mention Piers (who constantly indulges his insatiable desire for epic meltdowns) because when I read the palaceâs statement this morning, my first thought was âPiers, the press and the public will now have to find new targets for their venom.â But from the looks of things, thatâs not happening anytime soon.
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 20, 2020 2:53:09 GMT
đ Given her history of abandoning people and places when she gets what she wants, I think she's earned it. I also said that I thought for most people in their 30s, 18 months (technically for Harry and Meghan it was less than 18 months) to know that you've met the person you want to spend the rest of your life with. They got married less than two years of meeting each other, and she CHOSE to join a thousand year old institution. If she had been patient, she could have changed the monarchy more to her liking. Than again, from what I've read, so she's petty that she isn't moving back to the States until Donald Trump is out of office. Regardless of your feelings for him, it speaks volumes about how she feels about her home country. If I were American and had the opportunity to live elsewhere while Trump was in office I would take it. It tells me she loves her kid enough to not subject him to the MAGA crowd. The bit about her abandoning people - did you get that from the tabloids or her slimebag father? Well, she left her ex husband and she left her boyfriend when she met Harry... And I don't condone her father's actions, but it seems strange she never introduced him to Harry before she cut him off. He's like a wounded animal, striking back, and unfortunately for Meghan, he has the world stage. She should have never written that letter - never put into written words something you don't want splashed across the front page of the newspaper. Also, is there really a big MAGA crowd in LA or NYC? It's not like she is moving smack dab to the red state regions.
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Post by mom on Jan 20, 2020 3:06:44 GMT
Thanks, mich5481 ! I had read that they dated for over two years before getting engaged, but July 2016 through Nov 2017 is definitely NOT two years. I agree- 18 months is not enough time to prepare for the life of a royal! There are a lot of people who know within 18 months when they've found the person with whom they wish to spend the rest of their lives. So so tired of the Meghan bashing. Particularly disheartened to read comments like 'I give it two years." When you find yourself on the same side as Piers Morgan, it may be time for some soul searching. Off to find an article for everyone about this subject. Since you referred to my 'I give it two years' comment - I am going to respond to you directly. I don't give two fucks if I agree with Piers Morgan or not. Meghan does not have a good track record with men, or with family, quite frankly. At some point you have a recognize that 'you' (general you) are the problem if everyone you encountered is 'toxic'. There are so many red flags - so many that if a random Pea posted some of what we have seen with Meghan, I have no doubt the Peas would tell her to leave the situation. And yes, I will comment on whether or not a 'celebrity' marriage will work or not. Peas do it all the time. When Harry and Meghan finally get out of the spotlight, like they want, then I will cease to discuss what I see. But as long as they are both wanting the attention, then I will give my opinion on a person who is choosing to be a public figure.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 6:57:38 GMT
Speaking of the Royals: "Beatrice brushed off father Prince Andrew's woes as she was spotted in Switzerland with her fiance Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi The Royal couple have joined star guests at the plush resort of St. Moritz where pals Dasha and Stavros will marry tomorrow" Along with: "Sources at the resort say Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner are renting a private mansion in the Via Tinus area of St Moritz where steel magnate and billionaire Lakshmi Mittal owns a large chalet, overlooking the alpine mountains. Locals call the area âBillionaireâs bluffâ because of the array of luxury homes based there, many on private roads. Ivanka and Jared are expected to be joined by his brother Joshua Kushner and his model wife Karlie Kloss who flew in earlier this morning. Ivanka's private plane is said to be scheduled to touch down tonight at Samedan Airport, a private air strip which is a few minutes from the Kulm Hotel where the majority of the 300 guests are staying." www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7898737/Princess-Beatrice-arrives-St-Moritz-Dasha-Zhukovas-wedding-Stavros-Niarchos.htmlWho are Dasha and husband? www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/10/alexander-zhukov-what-we-know-about-russian-oil-magnate"Zhukov, the father of Roman Abramovichâs wife, Dasha, was linked to a network of offshore companies by the Panama Papers... As well as a penthouse in Kensington, west London, Zhukov has a home in Sardinia and a 400Â-acre equestrian club in the Moscow region. The Panama Papers show that the oligarch is linked to a complex network of offshore firms dating back to the 1990s. They include the Sintez Corporation, which appears to be linked to Zhukovâs Sintez (UK) Ltd and Odessa-based oil company Eureast International SA. In 2009, Zhukov asked Mossack Fonseca, the law firm at the centre of the Panama Papers, to act as agent for Kentwood Investments Ltd, which is registered in the British Virgin Islands. The leaders of the BVI, a tax haven known for secrecy, refused to attend an anti-Âcorruption summit in London, held following the Panama Papers revelations." Just one big global oligarchy.
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Post by used2scrap on Jan 20, 2020 9:04:00 GMT
Iâm not sure thereâs many who begrudge Harry a âhappily ever afterâ. But just because he thought he could chase the fantasy with Megan and run doesnât mean it will work out the way they hope.
Their âhalf in half outâ plan seems to have been entitled at worst, naive at best, and not what they ended up with in reality.
How they think the harder they pull away, the world media will let go seems beyond naive.
Married, a child, the royal gig, and mental health issues within a year, gosh they should have taken much more time to figure out their role going forward. Not many would have begrudged them time and space within âthe firmâ; other then the tabloids who plague everyone, ask the âduchess of porkâ.
I donât see how the tabloid press will leave them alone now. They didnât seem to learn with the birth/christening/godparents that the more secrecy they desire the worse the press gets.
Harry has given up a lot of his family and duty and heritage and tradition to âprotectâ Megan. Thatâs a very heavy burden within the best of marriages. Yet they donât seem to be seeking actual privacy, just distance from the royal family. I think the public support is behind privacy. Not just an FU to the firm and country.
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Post by joelise on Jan 20, 2020 9:32:53 GMT
Thanks for sharing that article.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 10:41:27 GMT
Obviusly from that article the tabloids haven't just covered the gossip and nothing else then. How else would an " an average, middle-aged Englishman" be able ," to offer my humble opinion on the situation" if he hadn't read the examples he's given that have also been covered by the media. Having watched that speech he made, which by the way was give at a private dinner, does make you wonder who exactly is the perpetrator of their privacy......their " friends" their " supporters" for videoing what was a private moment or the media/social media for sharing something they had no access to at the time? Which one of their " friends" or " supporters" handed it over to the media? Do they both really think that isn't going to happen because they have dropped the HRH - they are still the same people and the gossip media/social media will still intrude into their lives whether they like it or not purely for who they are. His swansong speech doesn't make sense to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 13:16:32 GMT
I think there are bigger problems at play here than just the British media. I predict within 5 years Harry and the child(ren) will be back in England without Meghan.
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Post by joelise on Jan 20, 2020 13:36:09 GMT
Having watched that speech he made, which by the way was give at a private dinner, does make you wonder who exactly is the perpetrator of their privacy......their " friends" their " supporters" for videoing what was a private moment or the media/social media for sharing something they had no access to at the time? Which one of their " friends" or " supporters" handed it over to the media? Do they both really think that isn't going to happen because they have dropped the HRH - they are still the same people and the gossip media/social media will still intrude into their lives whether they like it or not purely for who they are. His swansong speech doesn't make sense to me. To be fair, they filmed the speech themselves and put it on their Instagram site.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 13:44:32 GMT
Having watched that speech he made, which by the way was give at a private dinner, does make you wonder who exactly is the perpetrator of their privacy......their " friends" their " supporters" for videoing what was a private moment or the media/social media for sharing something they had no access to at the time? Which one of their " friends" or " supporters" handed it over to the media? Do they both really think that isn't going to happen because they have dropped the HRH - they are still the same people and the gossip media/social media will still intrude into their lives whether they like it or not purely for who they are. His swansong speech doesn't make sense to me. To be fair, they filmed the speech themselves and put it on their Instagram site. Oh OK didn't know that as the ones I've seen is the one circulating on face book and it looked like a mobile phone type video.
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