Sarah*H
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Post by Sarah*H on Jan 9, 2020 2:04:33 GMT
Good for them and I hope it brings them a measure of normalcy and happiness. I feel sad that the rumors about a breach between William & Harry appear to be true as I admired their seemingly close bond. In recent months it seems clear that Harry is still fighting demons related to his upbringing and Diana's death and I hope that at some point, he finds some peace. I think it's unfair that Meghan will take the blame for this even though Harry's unhappiness has been very visible.
ETA: This statement from the community section of their website hints that they intend to be much more overtly political than the royal family is permitted to be.
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Post by Sarah*H on Jan 9, 2020 2:15:39 GMT
Also on the website is a link to their new travel company: TravalystLed by HRH The Duke of Sussex, Travalyst is a bold new global initiative founded by Booking.com, Skyscanner, Trip.com, TripAdvisor and Visa, with the ambition to change the impact of travel, for good. We believe in the power and importance of travel and that we also have a shared responsibility to our planet and to each other. That’s why we’re coming together as a catalyst for change. We want to be the driving force that paves a new way to travel, helping everyone explore our world in a way that protects both people and places, and secures a positive future for destinations and local communities for generations to come. ETA: Did anyone read this website, lol? This has been long in the works. (I guess this part was announced awhile ago.)
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Post by cindytred on Jan 9, 2020 2:42:17 GMT
Well I know I'm sad. I doubt this would have happened if not for all the nastiness the media and people have shown to them. I think thats what they were referring to in the line that starts "With your encouragement..." Cindy
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Post by cindytred on Jan 9, 2020 2:58:24 GMT
I think he inherited millions from Diana. I am actually sad as he is my favorite. It is probably the best for them but I am still sad. She has never been someone I have liked and feel she has been less than a positive influence on him. I know many of you really like her and that’s fine. I don't like Meghan either. I am sort of surprised at this because I thought she only married Harry to be a Royal. Obviously, she didn't. Or she wants to make her mark in the world by being as outlandish as possible. Cindy
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Post by cindytred on Jan 9, 2020 3:35:03 GMT
Call me cynical but I feel like doing this gives them the celebrity of being royal but the freedom to use that for profit. They will still be hounded by the media no matter what as they are still the same people. Stacy I agree. Especially after I read that they trademarked Sussex Royal to be used for hundreds of things including shoes, clothing, stationary, etc. They're definitely going to be financially independent! Cindy
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Post by birdgate on Jan 9, 2020 3:35:14 GMT
Yup! There it is. Oprah! And you know that relationship will lead to the first tell all interview with them. Apple tv has some goodies coming up on their channel. Sub free for one year with new Apple device purchase.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Jan 9, 2020 3:36:49 GMT
Princess Anne's children have managed to live 'apart' from the family whilst still attending various functions, as have Princess Margaret's, the Wessexes and others. It's just something to be worked out and for the public to get used to. I think the difference is that his father, brother, and nephew are all heir to the throne. I think because his immediate family are the heirs, he was expected to be someone. But again. I could see Harry renouncing his title of his grandmother weren’t alive. He clearly doesn’t want the royal life. He’s still very pained by his mother’s death. He saw what they did to her and he likely remembers what his childhood was alike with the press, when she did take them in public. William grew up always knowing he was going to be King. He dated a woman who knew she was marrying an heir apparent to the British throne. Harry knew he wouldn’t be king and with two nephews and a niece, he knows now for sure. I applaud him for knowing this isn’t what he wants. I hope the family can come to terms with it all; I really would love for Archie to see and play with his cousins regularly. But again, I say kudos to him and I think this was a decision he made long before he got married. I think he specially looked for someone who would support this. And Meghan was perfect.
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Post by cindytred on Jan 9, 2020 3:44:47 GMT
Also on the website is a link to their new travel company: TravalystLed by HRH The Duke of Sussex, Travalyst is a bold new global initiative founded by Booking.com, Skyscanner, Trip.com, TripAdvisor and Visa, with the ambition to change the impact of travel, for good. We believe in the power and importance of travel and that we also have a shared responsibility to our planet and to each other. That’s why we’re coming together as a catalyst for change. We want to be the driving force that paves a new way to travel, helping everyone explore our world in a way that protects both people and places, and secures a positive future for destinations and local communities for generations to come. ETA: Did anyone read this website, lol? This has been long in the works. (I guess this part was announced awhile ago.) Now we know what the rift between William and Harry was about. This has been in the works for awhile now. Cindy
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Post by camcas on Jan 9, 2020 7:46:39 GMT
Well ...for me......care factor?....zero!
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Post by gar on Jan 9, 2020 7:50:45 GMT
I don't think that's actually their official website. I should have said that I meant it wasn't official as in, linked to the rest of the Royal family, coming out of Buckingham Palace. As far as the Queen etc being blind-sided, that definitely appears to be the case. BBC click the video.
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Post by wellway on Jan 9, 2020 7:57:40 GMT
I'm ambivalent to the news. I'm not sure how the one foot in and one foot out dance is going to work in reality but for the sake of majority of UK citizens and their love of the Royal family I hope he does not cheapen the brand by making dubious connections.
History as shown that the second born does not fare as well, Margaret, Andrew and now Harry. I hope William and Kate are considering hard how to help Charlotte and Louis avoid the pitfalls of being the "spares".
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Post by sueg on Jan 9, 2020 8:04:50 GMT
Princess Anne's children have managed to live 'apart' from the family whilst still attending various functions, as have Princess Margaret's, the Wessexes and others. It's just something to be worked out and for the public to get used to. I think the difference is that his father, brother, and nephew are all heir to the throne. I think because his immediate family are the heirs, he was expected to be someone. But that was pretty much the same for Anne - her mother, brother and later her nephew were all heirs to the throne.
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Post by gar on Jan 9, 2020 8:34:36 GMT
I'm ambivalent to the news. I think I feel that way for them personally but I am unhappy that it means there is a split in the Royal Family.
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Post by gillyp on Jan 9, 2020 9:26:29 GMT
I think as well as trying to cope with the death of his mother, he has heard all his life that his father wants to slim down the monarchy when he becomes King. I don’t doubt the bond between father and son as they make that clear but I can imagine the implication that there would be nothing for him to do and the implication that he was ‘unwanted’ in the family would play on his psyche. It makes sense to me now that he needs to break away. He needs to be his own man. I hope people don’t look on Meghan as the villain. Maybe I’m naive but I think she was the right person in the right place at the right time to support him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 10:21:00 GMT
I'm disappointed ( if that is the right word) at the decision they've made and especially that they didn't have the decency to discuss their intentions with the other senior Royals, especially the Queen.I find that really disrespectful. There are so many questions as to how " the way they see their future life" is going to work in practice.
It's impossible to have a clear "one foot in and one foot out " in the way they seem to want. They can't ride on the use of their titles and who they are and also be "independent" IMO. Using their Royal Titles would constitute a conflict of interest especially when it comes down to the type of work they do or whether anything they do would be classed as political.Whatever anyone thinks of the Royal Family as an institution they are not "just" figureheads or celebrities, They are part of the British constitution/Head of State. They have a legal role in the way that the establishment works in the UK and has had for centuries, everything that goes on in government or judiciary in made in the name of "The Crown" and anything they get involved in does or could have an affect on this. They are not celebrities Prince Harry is too " senior" in the line of succession to have one foot out and one foot in, especially that three of the top five are minors.
If they choose to be as independent as they seem to want to be, who is going to be paying out for their security both here and when they are abroad? Who is going to be paying for the upkeep of their home which belongs to the Crown Estates ( a public body sitting outside Government, and a statutory corporation operating on a commercial basis). Are they going to refuse the income they have from his father as part of the Duchy of Cornwall? As far as the media is concerned, I find it shortsighted on their part that they think anything is going to change. The media will still report on them whether they like it or not, purely because of who they are. I'm the first to advocate that they are entitled to have privacy in their private life the same way as anyone else does but this isn't the answer.
They both might have been thinking of this between them for months but I have a feeling that, Prince Harry in particular, as he knows first hand how things work, is letting his heart rule his head. There's far more involved.
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Post by Olan on Jan 9, 2020 11:18:43 GMT
Yeah it does suck that they are going to attempt to use their notoriety to help people as opposed to disappearing from the public eye. Crazy We all know who the crazy one here is If it was all about "helping people" they'd stay in the fold of the royal family, especially as the first big chunk of money from any charity will be to pay themselves - or did you miss the "become financially independent" part? This is all about them, their life, and what they want, they aren't doing this in order to "help people" as a prime motivator. Right because you know everyone’s heart and what motivates them. Guess the prediction she married him to be a Royal doesn’t make much sense either now. I’m crazy and you are so bitter it’s comical. Predictable too. I was waiting for your response and you didn’t disappoint.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 12:10:29 GMT
Call me cynical but I feel like doing this gives them the celebrity of being royal but the freedom to use that for profit. They will still be hounded by the media no matter what as they are still the same people. Stacy I agree. Especially after I read that they trademarked Sussex Royal to be used for hundreds of things including shoes, clothing, stationary, etc. They're definitely going to be financially independent! Cindy I don't know whether they will or not in the future and it's speculation at the moment whether they will do but trademarking the name and recording the listings that it covers is protecting their trade mark. They'll be able to take action if anyone tries to use their names on unapproved products or services, or tries to use them on counterfeit items.
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Post by Sarah*H on Jan 9, 2020 12:36:51 GMT
From the long Q&A, it seemed to me that the only things they want to distance themselves from are the 5% and the ROTA. Otherwise, their answers read as though they intend to continue on doing everything they currently do. I can't imagine he undertook this without getting extensive legal advice although if the rest of the royal family was blindsided, I wonder how expert/accurate any advice he's received might be. The way the answer to the ROTA question read made me curious if that was the real motivation - it addresses both their frustration with the tabloids AND not being able to use social media like regular people.
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Post by gar on Jan 9, 2020 12:43:45 GMT
I just heard someone on the radio (member of the public) say that she thinks this was always Meghan’s plan - distance him from his family, move to the US then divorce him!! I do hope that’s not true.
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Post by mallie on Jan 9, 2020 12:44:09 GMT
I think as well as trying to cope with the death of his mother, he has heard all his life that his father wants to slim down the monarchy when he becomes King. I don’t doubt the bond between father and son as they make that clear but I can imagine the implication that there would be nothing for him to do and the implication that he was ‘unwanted’ in the family would play on his psyche. It makes sense to me now that he needs to break away. He needs to be his own man. I hope people don’t look on Meghan as the villain. Maybe I’m naive but I think she was the right person in the right place at the right time to support him. Even as an American, I have read countless articles over the years about Charles' intention to "slim down" the monarchy to focus only on the monarch and the direct heirs. If my father were basically telling the world that I was unimportant to and wouldn't be getting the benefits of the family business while nonetheless being restricted by that business, I'd find myself a new business. Cannot fault Harry for doing just that. Also cannot fault them for trademarking/branding the Sussex name -- someone is going to be making money off that name, why not be them? Also cannot fault them for wanting to be more out of a public eye that has been exceedingly harsh and often racist to one half of the couple. All seems like a logical response to the stimuli. Hardly outlandish to make your own way, make your own mistakes, make the best of what you've been given. And I am sure the "firm" is thrilled to have the public frothing at the mouth over something other than Andrew. Because, oh yes, what Harry and Meghan are doing is so much worse than the perverted creep kept out of sight.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Jan 9, 2020 13:27:47 GMT
I agree. Especially after I read that they trademarked Sussex Royal to be used for hundreds of things including shoes, clothing, stationary, etc. They're definitely going to be financially independent! Cindy I don't know whether they will or not in the future and it's speculation at the moment whether they will do but trademarking the name and recording the listings that it covers is protecting their trade mark. They'll be able to take action if anyone tries to use their names on unapproved products or services, or tries to use them on counterfeit items. This was my first thought when I heard the trademark news.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 13:29:11 GMT
I think as well as trying to cope with the death of his mother, he has heard all his life that his father wants to slim down the monarchy when he becomes King. I don’t doubt the bond between father and son as they make that clear but I can imagine the implication that there would be nothing for him to do and the implication that he was ‘unwanted’ in the family would play on his psyche. It makes sense to me now that he needs to break away. He needs to be his own man. I hope people don’t look on Meghan as the villain. Maybe I’m naive but I think she was the right person in the right place at the right time to support him. Even as an American, I have read countless articles over the years about Charles' intention to "slim down" the monarchy to focus only on the monarch and the direct heirs. If my father were basically telling the world that I was unimportant to and wouldn't be getting the benefits of the family business while nonetheless being restricted by that business, I'd find myself a new business. Cannot fault Harry for doing just that. Also cannot fault them for trademarking/branding the Sussex name -- someone is going to be making money off that name, why not be them? Also cannot fault them for wanting to be more out of a public eye that has been exceedingly harsh and often racist to one half of the couple. All seems like a logical response to the stimuli. Hardly outlandish to make your own way, make your own mistakes, make the best of what you've been given. And I am sure the "firm" is thrilled to have the public frothing at the mouth over something other than Andrew. Because, oh yes, what Harry and Meghan are doing is so much worse than the perverted creep kept out of sight. The thing is that Prince Charles has not, as far as I know ever said he wants a slim down the Royal Family or to what extent that " slim down" version would be. It's pure speculation by the media. More and more of the younger extended family ( Zara/ Peter Phillips' generation) are forging their own lives and do not carry out official duties and in fact never have. The " firm" as some call the institution has been slimming down, naturally, for years. There is really no necessity for Prince Charles to intervene as such. I haven't heard anyone on the radio or TV here " frothing at the mouth" over anything except to genuinely ask...How is it going to work with "one foot in and the other out"? That's a natural reaction when it comes to British heritage and it's constitutional legal standing on a number of questions that this situation throws up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 13:35:13 GMT
From the long Q&A, it seemed to me that the only things they want to distance themselves from are the 5% and the ROTA. Otherwise, their answers read as though they intend to continue on doing everything they currently do. I can't imagine he undertook this without getting extensive legal advice although if the rest of the royal family was blindsided, I wonder how expert/accurate any advice he's received might be. The way the answer to the ROTA question read made me curious if that was the real motivation - it addresses both their frustration with the tabloids AND not being able to use social media like regular people. The Queen seems to have been blind sided, or at least not yet given official approval. But for all we know Prince Charles was fully aware. I think, if I were in Harry's shoes, knowing I was the "spare" and knowing my dad and probably older brother (the future kings) were wanting the trim down the official royal family) I would talk to them about my plans and get their input. The reality is the Queen is soon to be 94, she can't rule decades more but she can rule long enough to make it harder for Harry to make his life plans for after her reign. He also knows she is less likely to approve. It is easier/better for HER personally if the family continues along as always. But that may not be in Harry's best interest to wait her out. It will be easier to trim the royal family if Charles own "spare" has been trimmed. I also agree with who ever said they hope Prince William is thinking about the futures of Charlotte and Loius outside of the royal family.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 13:36:28 GMT
I don't know whether they will or not in the future and it's speculation at the moment whether they will do but trademarking the name and recording the listings that it covers is protecting their trade mark. They'll be able to take action if anyone tries to use their names on unapproved products or services, or tries to use them on counterfeit items. This was my first thought when I heard the trademark news. In fact the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge did the same thing a day earlier, when they separated the charities that they and Prince Harry shared.Anyone with common sense in their position this day and age would do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 14:07:24 GMT
Also on the website is a link to their new travel company: TravalystLed by HRH The Duke of Sussex, Travalyst is a bold new global initiative founded by Booking.com, Skyscanner, Trip.com, TripAdvisor and Visa, with the ambition to change the impact of travel, for good. We believe in the power and importance of travel and that we also have a shared responsibility to our planet and to each other. That’s why we’re coming together as a catalyst for change. We want to be the driving force that paves a new way to travel, helping everyone explore our world in a way that protects both people and places, and secures a positive future for destinations and local communities for generations to come. ETA: Did anyone read this website, lol? This has been long in the works. (I guess this part was announced awhile ago.) Love it. And love that they're looking for ways to use their celebrity and whatever wealth they earn/inherit to help the world in ways THEY choose.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 14:14:53 GMT
From the long Q&A, it seemed to me that the only things they want to distance themselves from are the 5% and the ROTA. Otherwise, their answers read as though they intend to continue on doing everything they currently do. I can't imagine he undertook this without getting extensive legal advice although if the rest of the royal family was blindsided, I wonder how expert/accurate any advice he's received might be. The way the answer to the ROTA question read made me curious if that was the real motivation - it addresses both their frustration with the tabloids AND not being able to use social media like regular people. They seem to me to be cutting their noses off to spite their faces removing themselves from the ROTA if they want the media to cover more of their work. Due to space restrictions and security, it is rarely possible to allow all media who wish to cover a royal engagement equal access to the event. A rota, or pool system, was therefore introduced years ago. Representatives from each relevant media sector are offered the opportunity to cover an event, on the understanding that they will share all material obtained, with other members of their sector who request it.The royal diary includes details of official engagements undertaken by members of the royal family at locations across the UK. They are published up to eight weeks in advance. National and local news media publishers can apply for a press pass to cover these events which covers about 3000 Royal events per year, big and small. Considering the fact that most newspapers now have a social media platform they seem to be removing themselves from a vast number of the general public everywhere, not just in the UK.The main media that usually covers these events are not about to put themselves out to cover anything they do in the future, charity or otherwise if they've been " snubbed"for being members of the ROTA.Cutting them off seems to be counter productive if they want more exposure to the work they do IMO. A very large number of the population still get their news through the social media of these " newspapers" It's OK to want to directly speak to the public themselves through their website or any other kind of social media but one has to be following those platforms or know of their existence to do so. There is nothing stopping them doing both. They've had an Instagram platform for a long time.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 9, 2020 14:48:50 GMT
So I read this blog which seems impartial but just explains what this means. fromberkshiretobuckingham.blogspot.com/However, if they are breaking from the royal family, will they still be the Duke and duchess, or will that be stripped? I am not quite sure what this all means - do the Brits want the monarchy to be abolished (just wondering?) - but this does feel very Wallis and David to me. They are either not getting good advice, or they are getting advice and doing what they want without the Palace's support (which maybe they don't think they are getting anyway). As an American with a fascination of the BRF, I hate to see it all fall apart!
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Post by gar on Jan 9, 2020 15:02:24 GMT
No one knows what all this means yet - it’s new territory. I don’t think the royal family are falling apart but I am sorry that there’s some obvious rifts among them personally.
Do we want the monarchy still - depends who you ask. I’d say the majority would want them to remain but by what percentage I wouldn’t like to guess.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Jan 9, 2020 15:04:58 GMT
I just heard someone on the radio (member of the public) say that she thinks this was always Meghan’s plan - distance him from his family, move to the US then divorce him!! I do hope that’s not true. Consider the source. There are so many out there who really dislike Meghan (including some on this board), who think the absolute worst of her and her intentions. I would be shocked if these were indeed her intentions. As has been mentioned, Harry has been chafing at the boundaries and limitations that come with being a royal long before she came onto the scene. But Meghan makes a very convenient scapegoat while Harry gets a pass.
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