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Post by teach4u on May 7, 2020 21:33:54 GMT
A few parents have been chatting and its come out that there are some that think if teachers aren't live streaming 6 hours a day, they are lazy. After all, they'd be teaching 6 hours so why not broadcast 6 hours?
I've actually been asked to make videos of very basic stuff (already mastered and automatic) to "earn my pay" (think busy work). We are expected to honor the cap of 2:40 of engagement a day , which includes online instructions
Non educator friends see their "lazy" view point.
I'm busier now than ever between planning, recording, correcting, commenting, emailing, tutoring , researching, packing my room, working on final report cards, etc.
The decision to stay home is out of our control. I meet with kids on Zoom, call parents, etc and really over being seen as "lazy" or getting 6 weeks of extra summer. Seriously.
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Post by librarylady on May 7, 2020 21:37:21 GMT
As if the parents want you online for 6 hours so that the parent can check what you are doing for 6 hours.
Which child will sit there for 6 hours and be focused for 6 hours?
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Post by mrssmith on May 7, 2020 21:43:31 GMT
Hats off to teachers everywhere! I KNOW my kids' teachers are working their butts off, just from the morning email I get, not to mention all the online resources created and shared, etc.
Sorry parents are treating you badly. HUGS!
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Post by gsquaredmom on May 7, 2020 21:45:23 GMT
We were able to sign up to go into school for the one And only time on Tuesday. A hall monitor and custodian asked if I was working the same hours (yes) and if I was getting full pay ( yes). I explained all that I do and they had no idea. They make assumptions!!!
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Post by Merge on May 7, 2020 21:51:04 GMT
They want you to magically entertain and engage their kid for six hours straight and make it so the parent doesn’t have to be involved at all.
It’s not realistic.
I’ve spent most of this afternoon walking my students through simple fixes that have to do with their personal computer, not anything to do with my assignment. I’ve told several of them to turn the computer off and turn it on again. I’ve had to tell one kid that I can’t fix his slow internet. He said his mom said to ask me. Parents have completely checked out.
And it get it. Honestly, if I had little kids and was trying to work and oversee school at the same time, I’d probably tell the school that we’d do what we can get to and the rest will have to wait until next year.
This whole online schooling thing blows for everyone. On one end of the spectrum you’ve got parents who think you’re not doing enough; on the other end, parents who think you assign and expect too much. It’s hard on the kids and hard on the parents, and absolutely impossible for teachers.
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Post by flanz on May 7, 2020 21:53:32 GMT
People are clueless. Our kids are well grown but I was a very active parent volunteer and i know that the vast majority of teachers work their butts off. I have always been a champion for our teachers, writing letters to the editor, attending school board meetings when issues arose that called for it. THANK YOU, THANK YOU TO ALL THE TEACHERS!!!  |
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Post by dewryce on May 7, 2020 21:54:17 GMT
They want you online for 6 hours so they don’t have to watch their kids as much. It kills me how people don’t appreciate the people who help educate and guide their children.
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on May 7, 2020 21:55:41 GMT
We've had complaints of too much work. I haven't heard lazy yet. Wow!
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Post by freecharlie on May 7, 2020 21:55:48 GMT
F*$k them and f$*k that.
I am working my ass off. I have had to change lessons on the fly, I have to record lessons for kids that can't make the zoom. Reading a chapter takes me 20 minutes and then half the time there is some damn technology issue and I have to do it again. I had to learn multiple new platforms and utilize them. I spend hours every day responding to emails. I am in more meetings than I can count. I check emails and answer questions all hours. The line between work and home is very blurry right now. Last night, I was on the phone with a parent at 8 pm.
As a sped teacher I am in over my head with all the paperwork. In fact, I am taking a break from it right now.
I was on a zoom class with students from 12:15 to 1:45. They showed up early (it was scheduled at 1) and so I started early and just talked to them and checked in with with for 1.5 hours. I've done multiple zoom meetings for hours a day helping my students.
And all that is from a high school teacher who had great students and good report with them, set routines, and self-sufficient students. I imagine it is worse at the lower grade levels when they can't just pop on a zoom or do the things that we did in class routinely.
AND MY YOUNGEST CHILD IS 15!!!! I can't imagine if my children weren't self-sufficient. As it is, they do need my help from time to time (and the other is 18). These poor teachers juggling parent, teacher, staff member, wife... holy crap!
So anybody that wants to call me or 90% of the teaching force lazy can shove it right up their ass and f*^k off.
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Post by moodyblue on May 7, 2020 21:56:39 GMT
As if the parents want you online for 6 hours so that the parent can check what you are doing for 6 hours. Which child will sit there for 6 hours and be focused for 6 hours? What’s interesting is what time the questions and comments come in from the students. I work with 6th - 8th graders. We have "office hours” from 8:30 to 1:30, and are expected to answer within a reasonable amount of time between those hours. But it’s not uncommon for older students, like middle or high school, to post late in the evening or even in the middle of the night. I was still up, on my iPad about 11:30 the other night and saw the email come in from a student. I’ve had them around 1:30 in the morning also. I will answer if it’s later than 1:30 pm and during the evening, but the ones that come in really late or in the middle of the night I don't respond to until the next morning. |
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Post by freecharlie on May 7, 2020 21:58:19 GMT
As if the parents want you online for 6 hours so that the parent can check what you are doing for 6 hours. Which child will sit there for 6 hours and be focused for 6 hours? What’s interesting is what time the questions and comments come in from the students. I work with 6th - 8th graders. We have "office hours” from 8:30 to 1:30, and are expected to answer within a reasonable amount of time between those hours. But it’s not uncommon for older students, like middle or high school, to post late in the evening or even in the middle of the night. I was still up, on my iPad about 11:30 the other night and saw the email come in from a student. I’ve had them around 1:30 in the morning also. I will answer if it’s later than 1:30 pm and during the evening, but the ones that come in really late or in the middle of the night I don't respond to until the next morning. The older kids are still asleep. I do my office hours from 10-2 so that I can get the early risers and the ones that are struggling to get out of bed. Hell, I'm waking my own kids up between 10 and noon most days. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 21:58:30 GMT
That's ridiculous. I can't imagine sitting in front of a computer for six hours straight waiting for someone to show up. Hell, I've been working remotely for over 15 years and I build my schedule for no more than four online meetings a day. I can't get any mentally engaging work done if I am on video conference calls everyday.
However, I do think this pandemic and the school shutdowns are showing everyone there are more efficient ways to educate kids than having butts in seats in a collection of buildings for six hours a day. Whether it is a combination of block scheduling, on-campus/off-campus attendance, year round scheduling, and other sets of combined strategies public school is RIPE for disruption to make learning more meaningful for everyone involved which is basically all of us.
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Post by seaexplore on May 7, 2020 21:58:44 GMT
I'm spending SO MUCH more time working- the GRADING mess alone takes me 4 hours a day to deal with! I "work" 9-2 but in reality, I'm on the computer 8-4 most days getting all sorts of stuff done. Grading, working out kinks in future assignments, helping kids with work, putting out fires before they explode in my face.
My district is requiring we allow students to redo assignments to get better scores. I have to figure out which assignments have been redone and reset assignments so kids can redo them. It's a train wreck! I hate this so much! I created a sheet for kids to add their work they've redone on. MOST of the kids (8th graders) are using it successfully. Then I find a kid who has done a TON of (past due by WEEKS) work and they want their grades updated IMMEDIATELY to get their parents off their backs. Nope. Sorry. I collect grades/grade stuff between 9 and 2 for CURRENT things. When I get to the past due stuff, I do it as I have time. I'm caught up on the shared sheet. If it's not on the sheet, I am not finding it. Sorry. Give me a title or a due date and I can find it. I have 56 kids, of those maybe 20 are actually doing anything at all. It's a total disaster. Between helping parents navigate this mess (I love my parents and sooooo appreciate them being my partner!) and trying to stay on top of changing requirements (just told yesterday that the last day we are doing academics is 5/15. Great! Mine was planned to go to 5/22- have to COMPLETELY redo my pacing and drop stuff/move stuff around) from the district and admin and trying to not freak out and make it seamless for my students I'm exhausted!
Oh, and I'm also helping my 3rd grader navigate her materials and my 4 year old not be ignored. Thankfully dad is home with us so he's a big help with the younger one. I kinda get to help the older kiddo because I get the tech stuff and can help her since it's my school.
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Post by seaexplore on May 7, 2020 22:02:44 GMT
As if the parents want you online for 6 hours so that the parent can check what you are doing for 6 hours. Which child will sit there for 6 hours and be focused for 6 hours? What’s interesting is what time the questions and comments come in from the students. I work with 6th - 8th graders. We have "office hours” from 8:30 to 1:30, and are expected to answer within a reasonable amount of time between those hours. But it’s not uncommon for older students, like middle or high school, to post late in the evening or even in the middle of the night. I was still up, on my iPad about 11:30 the other night and saw the email come in from a student. I’ve had them around 1:30 in the morning also. I will answer if it’s later than 1:30 pm and during the evening, but the ones that come in really late or in the middle of the night I don't respond to until the next morning. Yes! Another middle school teacher here. My kids vampires are turning in stuff between 10 pm and 2 am. If I'm up and see the email/message within 2-3 min of getting it, I'll reply. Otherwise, they get to wait until MY hours which are daylight. LOL |
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Post by seaexplore on May 7, 2020 22:04:03 GMT
That's ridiculous. I can't imagine sitting in front of a computer for six hours straight waiting for someone to show up. Hell, I've been working remotely for over 15 years and I build my schedule for no more than four online meetings a day. I can't get any mentally engaging work done if I am on video conference calls everyday. However, I do think this pandemic and the school shutdowns are showing everyone there are more efficient ways to educate kids than having butts in seats in a collection of buildings for six hours a day. Whether it is a combination of block scheduling, on-campus/off-campus attendance, year round scheduling, and other sets of combined strategies public school is RIPE for disruption to make learning more meaningful for everyone involved which is basically all of us. Distance learning is NOT a good way for kids to learn! |
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Post by maryland on May 7, 2020 22:04:25 GMT
My sil is an 8th grade math teacher and she says this is much more work!
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Post by seaexplore on May 7, 2020 22:07:12 GMT
My sil is an 8th grade math teacher and she says this is much more work! Yep. I'm math and science. Currently my students are wading thru statistics (shudder) that is not easy even in the classroom and they need lots of hand holding and explaining. They're also dealing with a new science curriculum that we started in January (that I love) that's not being taught as it should because they're doing it on their own without my guidance most of the time. |
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Post by freecharlie on May 7, 2020 22:08:14 GMT
However, I do think this pandemic and the school shutdowns are showing everyone there are more efficient ways to educate kids than having butts in seats in a collection of buildings for six hours a day. I disagree with this. There is nothing efficient about what we are doing. This is heads above water crap right now. Yes, I can figure out how to disseminate information to students, but they aren't learning. They aren't engaging with the content. And how do you teach hands on classes remotely? It isn't pretty. Shop, Ag, CTE classes can't be done online. ETA: I forgot music, physical education, art, band, choir and have you ever tried to learn a foreign language online? Student engagement has dropped weekly since we started. There are many that we barely hear from at all (and some that have disappeared completely). You can't teach interpersonal skills without people. There is so much more to what students get inside a school building than the fact that in 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue. |
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Post by Merge on May 7, 2020 22:13:06 GMT
That's ridiculous. I can't imagine sitting in front of a computer for six hours straight waiting for someone to show up. Hell, I've been working remotely for over 15 years and I build my schedule for no more than four online meetings a day. I can't get any mentally engaging work done if I am on video conference calls everyday. However, I do think this pandemic and the school shutdowns are showing everyone there are more efficient ways to educate kids than having butts in seats in a collection of buildings for six hours a day. Whether it is a combination of block scheduling, on-campus/off-campus attendance, year round scheduling, and other sets of combined strategies public school is RIPE for disruption to make learning more meaningful for everyone involved which is basically all of us. Forgive my skepticism, but in education “disruption” has generally come to mean “let’s give the teachers even more work and not raise their pay.” Traditional schooling may not be the most efficient way to educate individual children, but it is probably the most efficient way to educate large groups of children at current funding levels. (It’s actually a minor miracle that schools do as much as they do in the time they have with as little funding as they have. So unless you’re offering a big sack of money with your talk of disruption, every teacher around is going to be giving you a serious side eye.) |
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Post by epeanymous on May 7, 2020 22:17:23 GMT
My students are adults, but while, in The Before Times, I spent about two hours prepping each two hour class, it was taking me at least four hours after we went online. The dynamic of a synchronous lecture/discussion class is different than the dynamic of a live class (and I had to scrap things I normally do, like show short video clips as problems, because Zoom won't support it, which meant I had to do alternate lesson planning). I tried replacing one live class with some exercises and activities, but that was even more time-intensive, because of the feedback I needed to provide.
Anyhow, I'm spending my summer trying to redo my classes in case we are completely or partly online this fall (which is time I am supposed to be spending researching and writing), and I'm hoping that once I do it, the classes will be less time-consuming, but we were all (in higher ed at least) pretty much crashed onto this with no support this spring.
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Post by pierkiss on May 7, 2020 22:18:34 GMT
That’s insane. And I would lose my shit if some teacher expected my kid to sit in front of a computer for 6 hours straight. We are NOISY! Our teachers don’t need to hear my kids fighting or me reading 8000 picture books to my toddler. I don’t do that. Most people don’t even do that at work. They get up, stretch legs have lunch go to meetings, etc. also, if teachers are on camera for 6 hours straight, when are they expected to plan, grade, answer emails, problem solve, and research things? I don’t want my kids teachers putting in another 4 hours on top of those 6hours.
Those people are nutty. Teachers are working their butts off behind the scenes.
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Post by freecharlie on May 7, 2020 22:20:40 GMT
Forgive my skepticism, but in education “disruption” has generally come to mean “let’s give the teachers even more work and not raise their pay.” Yes, as our local's president, I have a feeling that there will be lots of grievances this coming year. My pay is froze. I am not getting the column jump I earned and spend hours upon hours working towards and thousands of dollars. Instead, I will watch as my paycheck dwindles. My state is already close to last in teacher pay and now we are frozen again. |
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Post by teddyw on May 7, 2020 22:23:04 GMT
My dd is a hs English teacher. She has 120 students. She said on average 4 kids a day log in. They don’t care if it’s mandatory. Some kids have never logged in or done a single assignment. They and their parents are not responding to emails or phone calls. They act as if it’s optional.
She did say their office hours were assigned by the school. Some days hers start at 9 and some days 11. The same kids get on no matter what time they are.
She’s been filming TikTok’s for them in her apartment courtyard. Apparently it’s amusement for her neighbors. Not sure her students are amused.
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Post by cade387 on May 7, 2020 22:25:47 GMT
I’m not calling my kids‘ teachers lazy, but I think what the parents are being asked to do is Ridiculous. I got a three minute video to teach my kid fractions. Three minutes for a week of worksheets. Even if I give the teacher an hour to make it and upload it that is ridiculous. Then to be told the parents have to make up the rest If the lessons and the kids better get a passing grade or they don’t move on - it is a lot of pressure. My 3rd grader is in tears daily.
I would kill to have any of you teaching my kids. The school district we live (but not our school) has 3-4 one hour zoom meetings a day to rotate through subjects. I would love to have this. My kids get one hour a week where the teacher reads a story. That’s it for interaction with other kids. It isn’t about babysitting- younger elementary kids learn as much socially as they do academically and I can’t even simulate that. The least they could do is a zoom call.
Head above water is right. This isn’t sustainable for anyone (teachers, kids or parents). I certainly hope some lessons learned can be applied for when this will happen again next year (because I think it is a when, not an if).
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Post by freecharlie on May 7, 2020 22:32:30 GMT
I’m not calling my kids‘ teachers lazy, but I think what the parents are being asked to do is Ridiculous. I got a three minute video to teach my kid fractions. Three minutes for a week of worksheets. Even if I give the teacher an hour to make it and upload it that is ridiculous. Then to be told the parents have to make up the rest If the lessons and the kids better get a passing grade or they don’t move on - it is a lot of pressure. My 3rd grader is in tears daily. I'm sorry they are doing that. How do they see if the kid gets a passing grade or not? And no, parents shouldn't be making up lessons on fractions. Teachers should be supplying that. Ugh, this frustrates me to no end. |
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Post by freecharlie on May 7, 2020 22:33:15 GMT
younger elementary kids learn as much socially as they do academically and I can’t even simulate that. The least they could do is a zoom call. Agree 100% |
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Post by Scrapper100 on May 7, 2020 22:33:20 GMT
I can’t imagine being online teaching for 6 hours. I do wish my sons teachers did some video lectures though. He seems to finish within 2 hours or less of starting and only have “classes” 4 days a week. He is online those four days and is doing all the assignments. I can’t imagine just ignoring school. Here their grades can’t go down during this time but can go up. I’m trying to encourage him to try and raise a few grades. He appears to be doing well with his assignments.
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Post by moodyblue on May 7, 2020 22:37:33 GMT
My students are adults, but while, in The Before Times, I spent about two hours prepping each two hour class, it was taking me at least four hours after we went online. The dynamic of a synchronous lecture/discussion class is different than the dynamic of a live class (and I had to scrap things I normally do, like show short video clips as problems, because Zoom won't support it, which meant I had to do alternate lesson planning). I tried replacing one live class with some exercises and activities, but that was even more time-intensive, because of the feedback I needed to provide. Anyhow, I'm spending my summer trying to redo my classes in case we are completely or partly online this fall (which is time I am supposed to be spending researching and writing), and I'm hoping that once I do it, the classes will be less time-consuming, but we were all (in higher ed at least) pretty much crashed onto this with no support this spring.😁 During our Zoom meeting today with the superintendent, she described the situation in education right now as "building the plane while you are flying it." We have a committee that will be meeting starting next week to work on an e-learning plan for next year, so we are better prepared for if/when schools go back to distance learning. I think most people are realistic enough to say that we are not going to be done with this when this school year ends. (Well, I will be, as I’m retiring.) |
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Post by peabay on May 7, 2020 22:40:11 GMT
What if a teacher only has one computer in his/her house and the kids need to be on it to do their own schooling?
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Post by epeanymous on May 7, 2020 23:03:21 GMT
What if a teacher only has one computer in his/her house and the kids need to be on it to do their own schooling? I hope districts will provide or are providing teachers computers if they are expecting them to teach online, but I obviously don't know (and would not be surprised if they are not providing them). |
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