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Post by melodyesch on Jan 9, 2021 20:33:08 GMT
I’ve just had a FB debate (not ugly argument) with a friend from home who definitely condemns the rioters, but doesn’t get how/why it’s being blamed on Trump. I’ve tried saying that it was a build up starting with him calling them there and saying it was going to be wild. Then on Wednesday Mo Brooks, then Giuliani with his trial by combat. And after the mob was riled up Trump said that people must fight, must not show weakness and then that they were going to walk to the capitol. I did see the speech, but don’t know what else to say, other than words matter and people were reacting to what they thought was his INTENT. And that when you’re in a position of power you’re responsible for that.
Please someone tag political.
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Post by librarylady on Jan 9, 2021 20:36:54 GMT
DT and Rudy Giuilani both got on stage and yelled to crowd that:
1. The election was stolen and the "steal had to stop"
2. Both yelled to the crowd, "We are going up that street and take back the country"
3. We are going to be strong/use strength
4. Go up and I'll be with you.
So what does she think that meant?
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Jan 9, 2021 20:48:21 GMT
The mob wasn't being egged on by Mr. Rogers. Does she think Trump had to say "go ransack the capitol building" for it to be his fault? Or, it's like that girl who got convicted of manslaughter because she made comments to her boyfriend suggesting he should kill himself, and he did. Or, if you're the one who yells "fire" in a crowded theatre and someone's trampled to death. That's on you. |
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 9, 2021 20:50:52 GMT
Here is a link to interpretation of dump's incitement speech.
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Post by birukitty on Jan 9, 2021 20:50:54 GMT
One of the Peas (I'm sorry I can't remember who or I'd give her credit) wrote yesterday something that makes a lot of sense:
Charles Mason didn't do any of the killings himself but he is in prison for life for inciting the violence.
Same with Trump in this case.
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Post by melodyesch on Jan 9, 2021 21:42:51 GMT
Thanks for the responses. I’m a fairly educated person and feel like I know what’s going on. It’s hard when you see it clearly and the other person sees their side clearly. It’s hard to reconcile.
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Post by kiera on Jan 9, 2021 21:48:59 GMT
He looked directly into the camera as he said "Proud Boys, stand down and stand by" during a presidential debate on national television. The message was loud and clear.
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Post by refugeepea on Jan 9, 2021 21:54:34 GMT
Congressman Mo Brooks said take names and kick ass.
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Post by julie5 on Jan 9, 2021 22:11:24 GMT
One of the Peas (I'm sorry I can't remember who or I'd give her credit) wrote yesterday something that makes a lot of sense: Charles Mason didn't do any of the killings himself but he is in prison for life for inciting the violence. Same with Trump in this case. Jake tapper on cnn said this too. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 9, 2021 22:50:33 GMT
I think it really starts with his speeches/twitter feed over the last 2 months. He's said over and over and over again that the election was stolen. That he won by a landslide. That started the movement that something had to be done - hell the "rally" ie riot was named Stop the Steal and Save America - this isn't language for a peaceful protest. "We will never give up - we will never concede - you don't concede when there's theft." All the language around Pence and then calling them to go to the Capitol and Stop the Steal - what exactly did anyone think that mob of people was going to do to "save America." He absolutely encouraged the violence and that isn't even getting into him encouraging them to go there on the day of certification to begin with. The entire premise was to stop Congress' work to certify the election and the next step for the transfer of power.
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Post by elaine on Jan 9, 2021 23:03:23 GMT
I think it really starts with his speeches/twitter feed over the last 2 months. He's said over and over and over again that the election was stolen. That he won by a landslide. That started the movement that something had to be done - hell the "rally" ie riot was named Stop the Steal and Save America - this isn't language for a peaceful protest. "We will never give up - we will never concede - you don't concede when there's theft." All the language around Pence and then calling them to go to the Capitol and Stop the Steal - what exactly did anyone think that mob of people was going to do to "save America." He absolutely encouraged the violence and that isn't even getting into him encouraging them to go there on the day of certification to begin with. The entire premise was to stop Congress' work to certify the election and the next step for the transfer of power. Amen. |
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Post by Bitchy Rich on Jan 9, 2021 23:07:00 GMT
I’ve just had a FB debate (not ugly argument) with a friend from home who definitely condemns the rioters, but doesn’t get how/why it’s being blamed on Trump. If your friend can't understand that from reading or watching any of news coverage, they simply don't want to. |
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Post by dewryce on Jan 9, 2021 23:14:45 GMT
I think it really starts with his speeches/twitter feed over the last 2 months. He's said over and over and over again that the election was stolen. That he won by a landslide. That started the movement that something had to be done - hell the "rally" ie riot was named Stop the Steal and Save America - this isn't language for a peaceful protest. "We will never give up - we will never concede - you don't concede when there's theft." All the language around Pence and then calling them to go to the Capitol and Stop the Steal - what exactly did anyone think that mob of people was going to do to "save America." He absolutely encouraged the violence and that isn't even getting into him encouraging them to go there on the day of certification to begin with. The entire premise was to stop Congress' work to certify the election and the next step for the transfer of power. This. But I will take it a step further and reiterate what we have been pointing out for years, that he was constantly inciting hatred and violence at his rallies and on Twitter. He became consistently more bold, his word choices more obvious and less dog whistles and his followers became more rabid. They were only encouraged when there was an incident and he refused to truly condemn them at any point. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jan 9, 2021 23:45:04 GMT
According to the poor apparently mindless Trump followers it's NOT their fault or Trumps. They were just there to protest, and ANTIFA set them up and made them do the rest...yea, really.
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Post by freecharlie on Jan 9, 2021 23:50:28 GMT
According to the poor apparently mindless Trump followers it's NOT their fault or Trumps. They were just there to protest, and ANTIFA set them up and made them do the rest...yea, really. dh's brother posted this nonsense. Of the people identified, they all have some sort of Trump supporting history. Was that all faked for this one day? You can't argue with stupid |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 10, 2021 0:40:37 GMT
Vote Vets has a new video out. Clips of all dt's calls to fight, take it back etc youtu.be/3yPnqI5uifg |
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Post by dewryce on Jan 10, 2021 0:51:15 GMT
According to the poor apparently mindless Trump followers it's NOT their fault or Trumps. They were just there to protest, and ANTIFA set them up and made them do the rest...yea, really. dh's brother posted this nonsense. Of the people identified, they all have some sort of Trump supporting history. Was that all faked for this one day? You can't argue with stupid Not only faked, but somehow back dated across multiple social media platforms. “Beliefs” somehow trump (ha!) facts and logic with this crowd. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 10, 2021 0:56:50 GMT
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Post by jackietex on Jan 10, 2021 3:05:44 GMT
Vote Vets has a new video out. Clips of all dt's calls to fight, take it back etc youtu.be/3yPnqI5uifgI saw a video on CNN today of all the times trump said some version of the word "fight" in his speech that morning--like a cheerleader at a pep rally getting the crowd riled up. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jan 10, 2021 3:12:02 GMT
dh's brother posted this nonsense. Of the people identified, they all have some sort of Trump supporting history. Was that all faked for this one day? You can't argue with stupid exactly!! that is what I said to some FB "friends". oh, but they were "set up". They were there just to peacefully protest and then were incited and coerced in to storming the capital. It's like talking to a brick wall though. They honestly believe that those people shouldn't be responsible for it. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 10, 2021 3:34:48 GMT
Just like their great leader who refuses to accept responsibility for anything he has done!!
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Post by Merge on Jan 10, 2021 3:43:33 GMT
Even after the fact, all he said was, "we love you, you're very special" to people who had just ransacked the capitol building and planned to execute the VP and specific congresspeople and senators in his name.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 10, 2021 3:52:11 GMT
Even after the fact, all he said was, "we love you, you're very special" to people who had just ransacked the capitol building and planned to execute the VP and specific congresspeople and senators in his name. And he thinks Pence will pardon him? Sure he will.... Oh wait... He is going to pardon himself. Ok. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 6:05:58 GMT
dh's brother posted this nonsense. Of the people identified, they all have some sort of Trump supporting history. Was that all faked for this one day? You can't argue with stupid exactly!! that is what I said to some FB "friends". oh, but they were "set up". They were there just to peacefully protest and then were incited and coerced in to storming the capital. It's like talking to a brick wall though. They honestly believe that those people shouldn't be responsible for it. If they were "set up", what did they take the noose and entire wooden set-up to be? What about the calls to hang Pence?? What about the hundreds of people who said that they were there to get as many Dems and Republicans who have gone against Trumpism, get them out of the Capitol and hang them?? What about the crowds knowing that the bombs were supposed to go off and that was when they were supposed to capture as many people as they could? I heard people on video saying that they'd "drag them out by the hair". I could go on and on.......... As SOON as these "protestors" became terrorists and broke into the Capitol, unlawfully and uninvited, they knew that it was something much more and that they were breaking the law. They had to have known that it wasn't about chanting Trump threats. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 10, 2021 6:09:32 GMT
dt has not yet spoken about the murder of Capitol police Officer Sicknick.
He has not lowered the flag flying over the WH or elsewhere for Officer Sicknick.
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Post by Legacy Girl on Jan 10, 2021 6:33:03 GMT
Then you have the fact that the Pentagon, acting under the control of the Commander in Chief, refused to provide National Guard backup to the Capitol Police. Before he directed his masses to attack, he ensured that they would face no resistance. How convenient.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 10, 2021 12:45:38 GMT
I think it really starts with his speeches/twitter feed over the last 2 months. He's said over and over and over again that the election was stolen. That he won by a landslide. That started the movement that something had to be done - hell the "rally" ie riot was named Stop the Steal and Save America - this isn't language for a peaceful protest. "We will never give up - we will never concede - you don't concede when there's theft." All the language around Pence and then calling them to go to the Capitol and Stop the Steal - what exactly did anyone think that mob of people was going to do to "save America." He absolutely encouraged the violence and that isn't even getting into him encouraging them to go there on the day of certification to begin with. The entire premise was to stop Congress' work to certify the election and the next step for the transfer of power. Yup. He programmed them, and RW media amplified his message. |
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Post by mikklynn on Jan 10, 2021 14:48:17 GMT
According to the poor apparently mindless Trump followers it's NOT their fault or Trumps. They were just there to protest, and ANTIFA set them up and made them do the rest...yea, really. Ha ha ha. One guy said he "got caught up in the moment". Um, you were wearing tactical riot gear. You were prepared, dude. Did they accidentally have flex cuffs? Bulletproof vests? Riot helmets? |
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Post by papersilly on Jan 10, 2021 15:11:40 GMT
It wasn't just one thing but a series of seeds planted in their minds. Those seeds grew doubt, paranoia, anger, and rage the finally erupted into violent action and insurrection. There was no overt yelling of "Charge!!!". Instead it was years, yes years, of deliberate grooming.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jan 10, 2021 15:14:42 GMT
exactly!! that is what I said to some FB "friends". oh, but they were "set up". They were there just to peacefully protest and then were incited and coerced in to storming the capital. It's like talking to a brick wall though. They honestly believe that those people shouldn't be responsible for it. If they were "set up", what did they take the noose and entire wooden set-up to be? What about the calls to hang Pence?? What about the hundreds of people who said that they were there to get as many Dems and Republicans who have gone against Trumpism, get them out of the Capitol and hang them?? What about the crowds knowing that the bombs were supposed to go off and that was when they were supposed to capture as many people as they could? I heard people on video saying that they'd "drag them out by the hair". I could go on and on.......... As SOON as these "protestors" became terrorists and broke into the Capitol, unlawfully and uninvited, they knew that it was something much more and that they were breaking the law. They had to have known that it wasn't about chanting Trump threats. Oh that was all antifa!! Not them of course! Silly goose |
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