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Post by kmage on Jun 3, 2021 15:01:21 GMT
Can someone explain backing up to me? I have tried to do some research, but the one time I tried doing this, I lost a bunch of pictures. I had an external hard drive and tried to "back up" my photos (including some videos of my grandmother) and then the external hard drive died, and they were no longer on my computer. I was so bummed, I haven't done this since. When you talk about backing up, are you talking about moving them? How do you back up from several different sources to one drive? Or do you have multiple drives? Gahhhhh...TIA for any help. I found this thread, and while it states the importance of backing up, I am still not sure of the how, or what happens if the thing you backed up to dies like mine did. 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/120846/haven-backed-lately
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Post by JavaJones on Jun 3, 2021 15:41:44 GMT
Backing up photos usually involves copying them to an external hard drive, or cloud service, but also keeping them on your computer. If possible, it is best to have both a local (external hard dive) and cloud back up. If you are running out of room on your computer’s hard drive, and have photos you don’t need/want to access on a regular basis, then you can archive (move) some photos to an external hard drive/cloud and then erase them from your computer’s hard drive. If you need to do this to free up space on your computer, then you should definitely have both an external hard drive AND cloud back up. If you take a lot of photos with an iPhone and have a Mac laptop, and are using iCloud to sync/back up your photos, remember that if you delete a photo on one device, it will be deleted from all devices—iCloud syncs the photos across devices, it is not an archive-type of back up system. Also note that if you have a Mac computer and are using iCloud to sync your photos, and also choosing the Optimize Storage option on the Mac, a TimeMachine backup will NOT back up your Photo Library at full resolution because the photos are not stored on your computer at full resolution. In this case, using iCloud or another cloud option like Google Photos, Dropbox, etc is necessary. As an example, I have an iPhone and a Mac laptop, and do a local back up (external hard drive) and use iCloud. Remember that devices like hard drives and thumb drives can fail or become corrupted (esp if you don’t eject them safely) and Cloud services use server farms to store your data/photos. Either of these systems can fail, so it is best to cover your bases and use both. I am not as familiar with Google and other cloud photo storage options, so hopefully another Pea can chime in to share their knowledge
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Post by scrapcat on Jun 3, 2021 15:55:47 GMT
Backing up is like saving in a different place also, but still keeping it, so you have at least 2 copies in different places.
Moving them would just move the whole file and not keep it in two places. You want to create a copy not move the file.
Not totally sure what you mean by different sources, but there is generally a manual process if using an external hard drive where you would open where the files are then copy them to the hard drive. You would have to do this in different spots if you have things saved in different places.
I do use two external hard drives just in case one crashes. I also am an iphone/mac user, so have the cloud. In the past I've used cloud services like CrashPlan.com which will backup your PC and external hard drives for a subscription fee. You want to read into various privacy laws, etc.
There's also places like forever.com, similar to legacy, where they will backup photos/videos sent to them and copy them onto various storage devices. I know Forever provides some sort of cloud storage option.
Another solution is maintaining photos on printing sites, sometimes they will allow you to store things there, esp things that have been printed before. For video clips, I use YouTube and keep them private.
And if something does die/corrupt there are super techy people out there that can sometimes save things, maybe check with any type of videographer or people who have businesses copying photos/videos etc.
This is a great reminder that I prob need to do a backup! Thanks.
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Post by rune2484 on Jun 3, 2021 16:02:45 GMT
A good backup system should include at least 3 copies of your data in 2 different physical locations.
So, that could look like: (1) the files on your hard drive (2) an identical copy on an external hard drive that lives next to your computer (3) all photos/video automatically backed up to an online service like Google Photos.
Or: 3 identical hard drives where you keep one off site (maybe in your office at work, or at a friend's house) where you rotate out the off-site backup every couple of weeks to keep on top of updating it
Or: (1) the files on your hard drive (2) automatic upload to one cloud service (example - Google Photos) (3) automatic upload to a second cloud service (example - Amazon Photos)
The key is redundancy and consistency. A backup is meant to safeguard your files from just up disappearing on you, but it is only a safeguard if your system updates your data on all backups regularly and that there are enough redundant places to guard against disasters like a fire, floods, or even just a hard drive dying.
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Post by jediannie on Jun 3, 2021 16:18:37 GMT
The key is redundancy and consistency. A backup is meant to safeguard your files from just up disappearing on you, but it is only a safeguard if your system updates your data on all backups regularly and that there are enough redundant places to guard against disasters like a fire, floods, or even just a hard drive dying. This is a perfect explanation. Here is my backup process: iPhone photos - I upload to Amazon photos via an app and also upload to Shutterfly once a week. I also backup my phone to my iMac once a month or so and the photos also get backed up to an external hard drive (actually 2 external hard drives because in my former life I was a network administrator in charge of backing up all the servers in my company and losing data makes me twitchy). iMac/Macbook pro - I backup both to external hard drives and every 4-6 months I backup any data stored (anything not a photo) to an online backup (Amazon, Office 365 and Dropbox). I don't have a lot of non-photo data that changes so I don't back that stuff up as frequently as photos. I have tried Google photos and it works fine, but I'm happy with Amazon and Shutterfly for my backups and don't feel the need for another right now.
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Post by cbscrapper on Jun 3, 2021 18:39:11 GMT
The key is redundancy and consistency. A backup is meant to safeguard your files from just up disappearing on you, but it is only a safeguard if your system updates your data on all backups regularly and that there are enough redundant places to guard against disasters like a fire, floods, or even just a hard drive dying. This is a perfect explanation. Here is my backup process: iPhone photos - I upload to Amazon photos via an app and also upload to Shutterfly once a week. I also backup my phone to my iMac once a month or so and the photos also get backed up to an external hard drive (actually 2 external hard drives because in my former life I was a network administrator in charge of backing up all the servers in my company and losing data makes me twitchy). iMac/Macbook pro - I backup both to external hard drives and every 4-6 months I backup any data stored (anything not a photo) to an online backup (Amazon, Office 365 and Dropbox). I don't have a lot of non-photo data that changes so I don't back that stuff up as frequently as photos. I have tried Google photos and it works fine, but I'm happy with Amazon and Shutterfly for my backups and don't feel the need for another right now. I also use Amazon Photos as my cloud backup - it’s free for Prime members. Google photos makes me nervous because they seem to discontinue services a lot as they lose interest and move on to something different (I can name several Google services I used and loved that they decided to stop supporting). I also back up to 2 EHDs.
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Post by wendifful on Jun 4, 2021 0:21:13 GMT
I use an external hard drive (with Acronis software to automate the backup) and iDrive to back my items up online. With iDrive, you sign up for a yearly subscription and then select the folders on your computer that you want to backup online (or the entire hard drive). You can set it to back up on a regular schedule. I do mine nightly. The Acronis software does something similar where you choose what drives/folders to back up (usually my entire hard drive) and then it does the work for you. With both of these programs, there's never any "transferring" of files, they're doing the work of copying your files and file structure for you. You definitely could drag and drop folders to an external hard drive (and hey, something is better than nothing), but I suggest using an automated program. I appreciate that rune2484 shared the 3-2-1 rule of backing up! I often comment on these threads about backing up because when I was younger, my family's house burned down in a wildfire and although we packed many family photo albums (in the 20ish minutes we were given to evacuate), we ran out of time and also didn't think the fire would actually reach our house, so there were some precious photos lost. I'm grateful for all the photos and memories we do have, but I can't stress enough that you never know when something might happen to your home! (Sorry to all the Peas who have heard this story before.) Since then, my dad likes to say he "preaches the gospel of backing up" because it's so important. I really recommend that everyone has at least one off-site backup, whether it's in the cloud or an external hard drive kept at someone else's house (preferably someone who doesn't live in the same general area as you, in case there's a natural disaster that affects your city/town). Okay, I'm stepping off my soapbox now.
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Post by joblackford on Jun 4, 2021 1:24:01 GMT
I copy my photos to 2 external hard drives as well as having them on my phone (Photostream) and laptop, and backing up to google photos. I also have my photos on social media sites, printed in blurb books and albums, printed and tucked into photo boxes and albums, old ones in negative form, emailed to other people in them... all those things also serve as a kind of redundancy. Not all photos are in all the places, but given how many photos we have these days I don't necessarily need *all* of them. The most important ones are saved in multiple places.
I'm on an Apple computer so I also use their "Time Capsule" backup system to save a copy of my entire hard drive each week.
I have a reminder set in my phone/planner to help me stay in the habit of doing a Time Capsule backup each week, and at the end of each month I move photos into monthly folders on my EHDs.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jun 4, 2021 1:57:29 GMT
The only back up I trust is a cloud based service. I have had 3 out of 4 external hard drives die. All of my photos, videos, digital scrapbooking kits and layouts are in the cloud. They are also saved to one or two external hard drives. All of my old digital photos from 2002 - 2010 are also backed up onto CDs or DVDs. But they can't be trusted either, because the some of the images cannot be opened now.
I download all of my photos from my phone or camera straight to my iCloud account and one of my EHDs.
The $14.99 I pay every month (less in USD) for 2TB of iCloud storage is well worth the peace of mind .
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Post by msliz on Jun 4, 2021 3:40:49 GMT
I have my laptop backed up to an external drive and DH's external drive. I want to back them up to a cloud system too, but haven't done it yet. Someday.
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Post by scrapnnana on Jun 5, 2021 2:39:14 GMT
I use 3 external hard drives for backing up my photos and important documents. Yes, it is overkill, but I have had external hard drives die (thankfully, not often, just enough to make me paranoid).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 5:17:44 GMT
Time Capsule backup each week, and at the end of each month I move photos into monthly folders on my EHDs. Do you back up to EHD from the mac photos app? If so, what tools do you use for that - if you don't mind sharing. I know the photos in Photos aren't always easy to find/manage and they're not in the same folders on the file system like as are in the app.
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Post by joblackford on Jun 5, 2021 20:32:36 GMT
Time Capsule backup each week, and at the end of each month I move photos into monthly folders on my EHDs. Do you back up to EHD from the mac photos app? If so, what tools do you use for that - if you don't mind sharing. I know the photos in Photos aren't always easy to find/manage and they're not in the same folders on the file system like as are in the app. ugh, Photos - they were so stupid to name the program "Photos" because you can't really google for specific advice... doh! I let Photostream transfer all my photos into Photos and then at the end of the month I look through and see if there are any obvious duds I can delete, then I export them all and save into a folder on my EHD labelled for the month. Nothing fancy - I just select all the photos in the month's folder and hit export, and choose the EHD folder to save them. Then I copy/import them into Lightroom to actually do most of the things I do with them. After a few months I usually delete them from Photos. That way my laptop doesn't end up with many many thousands of photos clogging up the works. I've found that Photos gets very glitchy if it has 10,000+ photos in it (even though apparently other people (like Shimelle) don't have an issue). I'm always trying to figure out a better way to do it but so far this is the best compromise I've found. I got LR (classic) specifically because it references photos stored on EHDs even when they're not plugged in so you can see what you've got all in one place and add tags and collections and such, and it doesn't get overwhelmed by huge photo libraries. I can also batch edit my inventory photos which saves me a lot of time and trouble. My system is VERY imperfect, but I used to do everything in Photos like adding metadata/flagging/making albums but when the library got too full and I moved past years onto archive EHDs none of that stuff moved with the files and I just couldn't keep my whole photo library on my old laptop/Photos - it was very unstable. I have a love/hate relationship with Photos (and all Mac products TBH). And yeah, the whole idea of actually finding where the files are on a Mac is a nightmare. I tried to have multiple Photos libraries (back when it was iPhoto) and that was even more of a nightmare. Sorry for the long answer - hope I actually answered your question!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 21:35:10 GMT
Do you back up to EHD from the mac photos app? If so, what tools do you use for that - if you don't mind sharing. I know the photos in Photos aren't always easy to find/manage and they're not in the same folders on the file system like as are in the app. ugh, Photos - they were so stupid to name the program "Photos" because you can't really google for specific advice... doh! I let Photostream transfer all my photos into Photos and then at the end of the month I look through and see if there are any obvious duds I can delete, then I export them all and save into a folder on my EHD labelled for the month. Nothing fancy - I just select all the photos in the month's folder and hit export, and choose the EHD folder to save them. Then I copy/import them into Lightroom to actually do most of the things I do with them. After a few months I usually delete them from Photos. That way my laptop doesn't end up with many many thousands of photos clogging up the works. I've found that Photos gets very glitchy if it has 10,000+ photos in it (even though apparently other people (like Shimelle) don't have an issue). I'm always trying to figure out a better way to do it but so far this is the best compromise I've found. I got LR (classic) specifically because it references photos stored on EHDs even when they're not plugged in so you can see what you've got all in one place and add tags and collections and such, and it doesn't get overwhelmed by huge photo libraries. I can also batch edit my inventory photos which saves me a lot of time and trouble. My system is VERY imperfect, but I used to do everything in Photos like adding metadata/flagging/making albums but when the library got too full and I moved past years onto archive EHDs none of that stuff moved with the files and I just couldn't keep my whole photo library on my old laptop/Photos - it was very unstable. I have a love/hate relationship with Photos (and all Mac products TBH). And yeah, the whole idea of actually finding where the files are on a Mac is a nightmare. I tried to have multiple Photos libraries (back when it was iPhoto) and that was even more of a nightmare. Sorry for the long answer - hope I actually answered your question! Super helpful. Thank you, Jo. My problem is, other than my time capsule, my system doesn't work well. My EHDs are on my imac. My photo lib is on my laptop. I need to a figure out a way around that. I don't use icloud (but do use photostream). I need to sort this out sometime.
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Post by flanz on Jul 2, 2021 20:43:45 GMT
I have lots of questions on this subject too. This thread is helpful, thanks to all.
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Post by ebbie on Jul 2, 2021 21:03:54 GMT
I save my photos to my Google Drive. I pay about $120 per year. I also have my photos on my hard drive, as well as external drive. I also have my photos on Shutterfly and also upload my favourite photos to Facebook.
I print my photos once a year via Shutterfly. Fingers crossed, everything continues to be in working order and haven't had any catastrophes (fingers crossed!) yet!
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