peabay
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Post by peabay on Oct 1, 2021 12:09:40 GMT
I wouldn't have an issue with it. If she's my friend and it's her worry - whether I thought it over the top or not - I'd do it for her.
But it would be nice if she offered to pay for everyone's tests.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 1, 2021 12:22:57 GMT
While I'd roll my eyes, I'd do it for a friend. It doesn't hurt me and would help her anxiety
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Post by peasapie on Oct 1, 2021 12:28:25 GMT
I wouldnt ask this of others, but I wouldn’t mind taking a test if someone else requested it.
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Post by teddyw on Oct 1, 2021 12:34:31 GMT
If it relieves her anxiety why not?
Plus vaccinated people can have Covid and be asymptomatic. So can the unvaccinated too.
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Post by dewryce on Oct 1, 2021 12:41:01 GMT
I wouldn't have an issue with it. If she's my friend and it's her worry - whether I thought it over the top or not - I'd do it for her. But it would be nice if she offered to pay for everyone's tests. She is providing the tests, and I agree. I think if the tests were more accurate and the community transmission was higher I could see everyone doing it on their own. But as this is because she is slightly over-the-top in her actions (not knocking her, I am as well), it’s appropriate for her to provide them/pay for them.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 1, 2021 12:41:02 GMT
Hard no from me. In fact a HELL NO!
The rapid tests are inaccurate, the at home rapid tests are highly inaccurate, and frequently produce a false positive. I know of at least 3 false positive tests. Verifiably false positive, verified by a PCR test after & eventually a blood test for antibodies. ( which is why I only count those 3 as they are verified as much as could be ) 2 of the false positive test people lost work time, 1 nearly lost their job entirely.
Woman is crazy to ask people to risk that much for inaccurate tests. I can not afford 10 weekdays off work for a false positive test.
PCR test a few days before, that I’m OK with. But an instant test given at home? No way in hell would I touch one of those.
I will not take an instant or rapid at home test at all. No way no how. I’ll take all the PCR tests you want to pay for, I’ll wear a mask, I’ll stay 6 feet from you. I have every respect for all the precautions there are. But an at home rapid test is a no way no how for me.
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Post by peabay on Oct 1, 2021 12:56:53 GMT
I wouldn't have an issue with it. If she's my friend and it's her worry - whether I thought it over the top or not - I'd do it for her. But it would be nice if she offered to pay for everyone's tests. She is providing the tests, and I agree. I think if the tests were more accurate and the community transmission was higher I could see everyone doing it on their own. But as this is because she is slightly over-the-top in her actions (not knocking her, I am as well), it’s appropriate for her to provide them/pay for them. Thanks. I missed that - if she's providing the tests I wouldn't even blink at it. I'd actually be grateful - doesn't everyone wonder if they might be carrying it around and not know it?
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Post by breetheflea on Oct 1, 2021 13:51:52 GMT
I would be the friend not going... I'm just not there yet.
I have an 8-year-old...
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Oct 1, 2021 13:52:26 GMT
I think it's great that Lisa has been so cautious and done her best to keep her family safe over the last 18 months. But she has no right to insist that someone takes a COVID test IN HER OWN HOME! She should just decline the invitation. ITA! Holy heck. She can choose to not go, but to ma!e demands of the host? No thanks.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Oct 1, 2021 13:59:49 GMT
I think that is crazy. If she is that cautious then she probably shouldn't go. Her house, her rules. Friends house, friend's rules. That's what gets me sometimes. I see people who are obviously overly cautious, and that is totally fine, but they are in a restaurant and are only missing the actual hazmat suit. If you are that nervous about it then you probably shouldn't do it because all it is going to do is cause you anxiety. If I was invited to a friends house where everyone is vaxxed and told that I would have to wear a mask the whole time, I probably wouldn't go because I hate wearing them. I wear them because it is mandated not because I want to.
As for the tests not being accurate, that simply isn't true. They don't pick up the same markers as the PCR test but they are very accurate. Honestly, they are better than not testing. If you got a positive and you want to verify, go get a PCR test. Wouldn't you want to know if you were positive?
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Post by MichyM on Oct 1, 2021 14:09:41 GMT
Honestly, I don’t think it matters at all what others in the group (or the peas) think of it. If you want your friend to come, take the test in order to make HER more comfortable. If you don’t want to take the test, then no one in the group should get bent out of shape or talk behind her back should she decide not to attend.
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Post by padresfan619 on Oct 1, 2021 14:45:05 GMT
Maybe if more people were like Lisa we wouldn’t still be in this mess over a year and a half later. I don’t think it is extreme at all. But I know I swing more on the extreme caution side of the pendulum.
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Post by java on Oct 1, 2021 15:38:00 GMT
As for the tests not being accurate, that simply isn't true. They don't pick up the same markers as the PCR test but they are very accurate. Honestly, they are better than not testing. If you got a positive and you want to verify, go get a PCR test. Wouldn't you want to know if you were positive? Tell the hosts of The View they are accurate. 2 of 4 tested positive and both were wrong. They followed up with additional tests and they are negative.
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Post by sueg on Oct 1, 2021 15:46:19 GMT
As for the tests not being accurate, that simply isn't true. They don't pick up the same markers as the PCR test but they are very accurate. Honestly, they are better than not testing. If you got a positive and you want to verify, go get a PCR test. Wouldn't you want to know if you were positive? Tell the hosts of The View they are accurate. 2 of 4 tested positive and both were wrong. They followed up with additional tests and they are negative. All medical tests give false positives and false negatives. Even the PCR covid tests are not 100%. Sometimes, there are mistakes, either in the test medium itself or human error in performing or reading the tests. It doesn’t mean the tests are overall ‘not very accurate’
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Post by java on Oct 1, 2021 15:51:05 GMT
Tell the hosts of The View they are accurate. 2 of 4 tested positive and both were wrong. They followed up with additional tests and they are negative. All medical tests give false positives and false negatives. Even the PCR covid tests are not 100%. Sometimes, there are mistakes, either in the test medium itself or human error in performing or reading the tests. It doesn’t mean the tests are overall ‘not very accurate’ Well if you feel that 50% in this case is very accurate we will just have to disagree. I know of far too many false positives to feel they are "very accurate".
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Post by finaledition on Oct 1, 2021 15:52:46 GMT
I think Lisa put the host in an awkward situation of having to say yes in order to be polite. If she declined then the host would have felt like the bad guy.
The situation was explained before the event and you say yes or no based on your own criteria. The guest does not get to add any stipulations.
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 1, 2021 15:56:26 GMT
People are using words like demand, require, insist. This looks to me more like a request. She requested that people take a test. If I wanted her at the get together, I would honor that request. That was how I read it as well. I am not as cautious as she is and would not ask vaccinated people to test, but I also don’t see it as a big deal here, and would do it.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 1, 2021 16:04:52 GMT
As for the tests not being accurate, that simply isn't true. They don't pick up the same markers as the PCR test but they are very accurate. Honestly, they are better than not testing. If you got a positive and you want to verify, go get a PCR test. Wouldn't you want to know if you were positive? Tell the hosts of The View they are accurate. 2 of 4 tested positive and both were wrong. They followed up with additional tests and they are negative. exactly, those are the most famous cases but it happens all the time. They are NOT accurate and DO have incidences of false positives. And for some of us a false positive could ruin our finances by costing unnecessary time off work. As they should, my company requires a min of 10 workdays ( 2weeks ) self quarantine. That’s valid. If I tested positive I couldn’t go to work. I get it. I’m in agreement with that. But, I can’t afford to ‘spend’ that time on a false positive test. No, I don’t need to see a friend as much as I need to pay my bills. Because of what I do and how many people I see at work, there's many people I haven’t seen in the last 20 months. I face time and call on the phone, I try my best to stay connected. I completely understand that they are uncomfortable seeing me. I get it. I have no issue with that. If this were my situation and everyone else was comfortable gambling with the accuracy of the at home tests I would stay home willingly and without hard feelings. I might ask my friends to FaceTime me during so I could have some fun. But, no, I simply can not afford a false positive test and the impact it would have on my finances. Not, going anywhere near an at home rapid covid test. Period.
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Post by sueg on Oct 1, 2021 16:04:54 GMT
All medical tests give false positives and false negatives. Even the PCR covid tests are not 100%. Sometimes, there are mistakes, either in the test medium itself or human error in performing or reading the tests. It doesn’t mean the tests are overall ‘not very accurate’ Well if you feel that 50% in this case is very accurate we will just have to disagree. I know of far too many false positives to feel they are "very accurate". 4 people testing is not statistically significant. It could have been they had a bad batch. I also don't know what the guidelines are in the US, but here, all positive rapid tests - whether at a test centre or by self test - must be followed up by a PCR test. Rapid tests are seen as a quick screening method. No one has to quarantine just on a rapid test. Overall, I'd rather the tests showed false positives, that people then follow up on, than showed false negatives, making people think they are OK when they are not.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 1, 2021 16:19:50 GMT
frequently produce a false positive. I know of at least 3 false positive tests. Verifiably false positive, verified by a PCR test after & eventually a blood test for antibodies. ( which is why I only count those 3 as they are verified as much as could be ) 2 of the false positive test people lost work time, 1 nearly lost their job entirely.I think I have to agree with this as my reason for saying no, I wouldn't do it... a false positive would mean I couldn't go to work (I work IN the office) and I would have to use my own vacation / unpaid time for that. no way.
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Post by maryannscraps on Oct 2, 2021 16:14:46 GMT
All medical tests give false positives and false negatives. Even the PCR covid tests are not 100%. Sometimes, there are mistakes, either in the test medium itself or human error in performing or reading the tests. It doesn’t mean the tests are overall ‘not very accurate’ Well if you feel that 50% in this case is very accurate we will just have to disagree. I know of far too many false positives to feel they are "very accurate". OK. 50% would be what we call a fake statistic. You can't extrapolate from such tiny sample size.
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Post by Gennifer on Oct 2, 2021 16:27:23 GMT
The reason I don’t see vaccinated friends often? I worry they are not as careful, selective or mindful because they are vaccinated. I know some are mingling with lots of people professionally and personally. That concerns me. My unvaccinated friends seem to be more aware and thoughtful of their interactions with others. That is so incredibly opposite of my experience. The unvaccinated ones are the ones still spouting off that it’s like a cold, that the pandemic is fake news, and living their life unmasked and without giving a shit about any of the requests otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2021 16:41:08 GMT
If Lisa is simply asking others to take the test as a condition of her attendance, I don’t see the big deal for the ask amongst friends. If Abby is uncomfortable with it, she should just say no. If anyone else doesn’t want to, then Lisa has her answer. Personally, I would welcome the test. Regarding false positives, DH had a fever recently and went to get tested. We were told that results could take up to 3 days. We went and purchased the rapid tests for our own peace of mind. Both results came back negative. DS, who lives elsewhere, also took it and tested negative. So, in our sample size of 2, the rapid tests were 100% accurate. I think you are far more likely to get a false negative vs false positive result. www.nytimes.com/2021/09/29/health/at-home-covid-tests-accuracy.html
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Post by SockMonkey on Oct 2, 2021 16:45:23 GMT
If I cared about my friend, I'd do the test.
ETA: Some of y'all really don't like your friends.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Oct 2, 2021 17:02:56 GMT
If you invited a guest and they said they would like to attend but they had food allergies and needed you to plan the menu accordingly, would that also be poor guest behavior? So often we are told to advocate for ourselves, but then slapped down when we do. I'm glad I don't have anyone to socialize with, because I would surely put a foot wrong and be the subject of scorn and criticism.
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Post by SockMonkey on Oct 2, 2021 17:15:56 GMT
At the end of the day, people must do what’s best for them. At the end of the day, people doing what's "best for them" and "what they're comfortable with" does not align with how public health mitigations work in a global pandemic. That's why the US has now reached 700K deaths from COVID. Stop telling yourself the lie that individual comfort should be prioritized over public health. Again, this is why we don't let people shit in the street.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 2, 2021 17:22:38 GMT
The terms people are using "demand" and "require" seem over the top.
She ASKED if people would. If people say no, then she will stay home. It everyone says yes, then she will go.
Doesn't seem like she is demanding anything.
I love my friends. We are getting together in a couple of weeks. I am nervous FOR them as a couple of us work in person in schools (although I am the only one who works where masks aren't required, one is a kindergarten teacher and I can't imagine masks are perfect there). Two of our group are over 70. If someone asked, I'd do it because I haven't seen these people since February 2020 and we lost one of our dear friends to Covid since then.
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Post by cycworker on Oct 2, 2021 19:19:28 GMT
Wow. Really disappointing to see so many people dismissing someone else’s caution. We’ve had threads about what makes people feel safe, and threads about losing friendships because of COVID, and here comes a situation where a friend needs something pretty easy and harmless to help them feel safe….but no, “Lisa” can’t possibly ask her friends to do this for her, how dare she. I would do it in a heartbeat to help a friend feel more comfortable, to help them try and loosen their pandemic restrictions, and to help them try and overcome the sheer bloody terror that some of us have been living with. That is where I'm at. I would do it in a heartbeat, if we could get the tests & it was affordable (tough to get an asymptomatic test in British Columbia, because our PHO is against them due to inaccuracy).
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Post by MichyM on Oct 2, 2021 19:34:11 GMT
If I cared about my friend, I'd do the test. ETA: Some of y'all really don't like your friends.Right? That's been my take-away as well. Y'all are HARD on your friends :/ I value my friends. Though I may not always agree 100% with them, I value my friends' feelings and concerns. I care about helping them feel more comfortable, no matter the situation. Taking an at-home test is NBD, regardless of how accurate or inaccurate they are. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill... ETA: for those concerned about losing 10 days of work due to a false positive. Wouldn't you go have an in-person test to confirm if an at-home test came back positive. Or would y'all REALLY take 10 days off work based upon an at-home test? REALLY?!?
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Post by SockMonkey on Oct 2, 2021 20:25:44 GMT
If I cared about my friend, I'd do the test. ETA: Some of y'all really don't like your friends.Right? That's been my take-away as well. Y'all are HARD on your friends :/ I value my friends. Though I may not always agree 100% with them, I value my friends' feelings and concerns. I care about helping them feel more comfortable, no matter the situation. Taking an at-home test is NBD, regardless of how accurate or inaccurate they are. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill... ETA: for those concerned about losing 10 days of work due to a false positive. Wouldn't you go have an in-person test to confirm if an at-home test came back positive. Or would y'all REALLY take 10 days off work based upon an at-home test? REALLY?!? Excuses.
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