cakatie
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Post by cakatie on Oct 1, 2021 0:52:11 GMT
I have a friend (Lisa) who has been the ultimate in covid-cautious throughout the pandemic. She still hasn’t set foot in a store and her two daughters have only played with each other since March 2020, etc. Our Bay Area, CA county currently has a very high vaccination rate and case rates are currently declining.
A third friend Abby invited four friends, including me and also Lisa, to her house for an indoor wine night in a few weeks. I responded yes, and Lisa responded that she’d like to come too if we all agree to take rapid covid tests (that she’d provide).
Abby is not thrilled about taking a test to host a get-together at her own home, and messaged me to see what I thought. I can see both sides. What say the Peas?
ETA Abby and all four of her invitees are fully vaccinated. We all have children 6 and under who are not yet vaccinated.
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Post by AussieMeg on Oct 1, 2021 0:57:41 GMT
I think it's great that Lisa has been so cautious and done her best to keep her family safe over the last 18 months. But she has no right to insist that someone takes a COVID test IN HER OWN HOME! She should just decline the invitation.
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johnnysmom
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Post by johnnysmom on Oct 1, 2021 0:58:34 GMT
Unless Lisa or her family have some sort of high risk factor health condition I’d personally find her as being over the top. That said, if I wanted to maintain the friendship I’d do the damn test. It’s a small price to pay for a good friend and a night out.
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Post by ~summer~ on Oct 1, 2021 1:01:41 GMT
I’m in the Bay Area and personally think that’s ridiculous. The cdc says get togethers are fine if everyone is vaccinated (even ok if one person isn’t).
Eta - is she also expecting people to mask indoors?
Eta again - that being said if she brought the tests I’d be happy to oblige her - but I’d think it was a little odd she was so worried about it - unless she had a valid reason like high risk family member, job etc.
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cakatie
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Post by cakatie on Oct 1, 2021 1:05:15 GMT
She’s not expecting others to mask indoors (although she might do so herself).
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Oct 1, 2021 1:05:50 GMT
It’s an interesting approach, but flawed because the tests aren’t accurate. However, if she were my friend I would take the test to make her feel more comfortable. Assuming she’s asking nicely and not demanding.
I like my friends and want them to be comfortable in situations and will take extra steps if I can (like a test, or altering my menu to accommodate an allergy) but like most everyone I would be less willing if they were more of an acquaintance.
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peaname
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Post by peaname on Oct 1, 2021 1:09:59 GMT
Ridiculous and those rapid tests are designed to test symptomatic individuals and we’ve seen false positives. She’d be getting a false sense of security and risk a lot of anxiety over a false positive.
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Post by paigepea on Oct 1, 2021 1:12:49 GMT
The only thing that makes me cautious in your whole story is that you all have kids under 6. My kids are older / vaxxed but I am cautious with friends with younger children.
If I knew all of you and felt comfortable then I’d be ok being inside. Does your friend Lisa not know everyone invited?
I think she should decline if she isn’t comfortable without the Covid test. The rapid test isn’t always accurate and wouldn’t pick up on a really new case. In that way, it’s more for optics than safety.
She could ask for the evening to be outside or she could come and keep a mask on the whole time.
I’d suggest an air filter in the room to see if that makes her happy.
The taking of the test to make her happy wouldn’t bother me. I just don’t think it’s worth the time or effort. But if it makes her happy….
Would depend how much I like my friend 😂.
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Post by pjaye on Oct 1, 2021 1:14:14 GMT
I'm also on the cautious side - and I'd have no problem at all taking a test in my own home if it made someone else feel more comfortable. In fact I'd see it as an opportunity to help Lisa start to overcome her fears and getting out a little more...and also her kids.
Clearly her reaction has been a little more extreme than most which makes me think that perhaps there there is more going on than just normal 'caution'. It sounds positive that she is willing to take a tentative step, and as my friend I'd do my best to support her...because quite frankly I have a lot more time for people like her than the anti-vaxers or other fools who just do whatever they want and keep spreading this around.
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Post by ~summer~ on Oct 1, 2021 1:16:13 GMT
The only thing that makes me cautious in your whole story is that you all have kids under 6. My kids are older / vaxxed but I am cautious with friends with younger children. If I knew all of you and felt comfortable then I’d be ok being inside. Does your friend Lisa not know everyone invited? I think she should decline if she isn’t comfortable without the Covid test. The rapid test isn’t always accurate and wouldn’t pick up on a really new case. In that way, it’s more for optics than safety. She could ask for the evening to be outside or she could come and keep a mask on the whole time. I’d suggest an air filter in the room to see if that makes her happy. The taking of the test to make her happy wouldn’t bother me. I just don’t think it’s worth the time or effort. But if it makes her happy…. i agree with all of this. We are having such warm weather can you get together in her back yard? I have been doing happy hour regularly with my friends but we almost always are outside, partly because it is just so pretty out! And finally no smoke
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Post by chaosisapony on Oct 1, 2021 1:17:32 GMT
I don't think Lisa has the right to dictate that the host and the host's guest take a covid test. That's great that she has been so cautious but it is not fair to thrust that expectation of caution on the rest of you. Lisa should send her regrets to this event if she is not comfortable attending.
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Post by Sarah*H on Oct 1, 2021 1:27:38 GMT
I would take the test to make my friend comfortable. It's a minor inconvenience.
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Post by christine58 on Oct 1, 2021 1:39:50 GMT
She doesn’t have the right to require that in someone else’s home. If she’s that nervous about it she can stay home. Sorry but that’s how I feel. Those quick tests are absolutely not accurate.
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Post by Zee on Oct 1, 2021 1:50:39 GMT
She sounds a bit extreme.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 1, 2021 1:51:12 GMT
Unless Lisa or her family have some sort of high risk factor health condition I’d personally find her as being over the top. That said, if I wanted to maintain the friendship I’d do the damn test. It’s a small price to pay for a good friend and a night out. It seems unnecessary. But I guess that I would bite my tongue-hard-and do it.
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Post by hockeymom4 on Oct 1, 2021 1:55:10 GMT
I might think it a bit much but would do it if it meant getting to see a friend (especially one that hadn’t been out and about). My cousin lives in Texas and finally got home (northern Ontario) to visit and brought a bunch of rapid tests in case any of the older relatives were nervous for her to visit
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Post by dewryce on Oct 1, 2021 4:55:15 GMT
I'm also on the cautious side - and I'd have no problem at all taking a test in my own home if it made someone else feel more comfortable. In fact I'd see it as an opportunity to help Lisa start to overcome her fears and getting out a little more...and also her kids. Clearly her reaction has been a little more extreme than most which makes me think that perhaps there there is more going on than just normal 'caution'. It sounds positive that she is willing to take a tentative step, and as my friend I'd do my best to support her...because quite frankly I have a lot more time for people like her than the anti-vaxers or other fools who just do whatever they want and keep spreading this around. This is exactly how I feel. And, it depends on how it was asked/presented. Was she truly asking if everyone would be comfortable doing it, no pressure or guilt? Just a “hey, this would make me feel more comfortable, would you guys mind?” To me, not a thing wrong with that. Now if it was presented as ‘do it or I won’t come’ that’s different. If she expected it, was rude or demanding, that’s different. But it’s something so simple I can do to make a friend feel more comfortable. Even if I thought it was over the top (as high risk, I don’t personally and since y’all have unvaxxed kids at home I don’t think it’s over the top) I’d do it for them. I mean, I’d give my good friends a kidney, I’m not going to bat an eye at this simple request. As a matter of fact, I probably would have already approached her, told her I was excited she was coming, and asked if there was anything I could do to make her more comfortable. Also, you say rates are declining, but from where? Declining can still be high. And if y’all have school aged children, that’s a lot of potential exposure.
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Post by dewryce on Oct 1, 2021 5:04:55 GMT
The only thing that makes me cautious in your whole story is that you all have kids under 6. My kids are older / vaxxed but I am cautious with friends with younger children. If I knew all of you and felt comfortable then I’d be ok being inside. Does your friend Lisa not know everyone invited? I think she should decline if she isn’t comfortable without the Covid test. The rapid test isn’t always accurate and wouldn’t pick up on a really new case. In that way, it’s more for optics than safety. She could ask for the evening to be outside or she could come and keep a mask on the whole time. I’d suggest an air filter in the room to see if that makes her happy. The taking of the test to make her happy wouldn’t bother me. I just don’t think it’s worth the time or effort. But if it makes her happy…. Would depend how much I like my friend 😂. If that’s the case, does that mean they don’t have much of a viral load too, and are less likely to spread it? I’m not really familiar with those tests, haven’t read anything. I was also going to suggest offering to run a HEPA filter to see if that would make her feel more comfortable, or do it outside if the weather is nice and accommodations would be comfortable. We have put all of our air filters downstairs the few times we’ve had anyone over, and will continue to do so. I’m sure that’s over the top to a lot of people but we are both high risk, as are the few people we’ve had come over. Plus, DH works in a skilled nursing facility and BFF is a teacher. Lots of opportunities for exposure and to pass it along to their residents and students. The way I see it, can’t hurt, might help and it will put us a little more at ease. Win. Win.
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Post by manda on Oct 1, 2021 7:47:46 GMT
I waited longer than most of our friends to get vaccinated and was vocal enough (not overly) that people should not feel pressured to get vaccinated if they don’t feel ready and that people maybe should ease up on the vaccine rhetoric.
However, during the time I was eligible to get vaccinated but waited to do so, other than IVF fertility clinic appointments, I never left our house. And I was regularly tested for covid by our IVF fertility clinic during cycles. So I was very intentional about controlling my own circumstances.
Shortly after being vaccinated, I was invited to a few different friend gatherings. One gathering required we show the host our vaccine card. Sorry but no. I declined all gatherings due to my IVF treatment but felt very strongly about declining any event that required me to show proof of vaccine. Those aren’t friends…
At the end of the day, people must do what’s best for them.
I still rarely leave the house (not out of fear so much as I don’t want to cause unintentional spread). If I see a friend, I wait at least one full week until I see another friend. I live in a state that I feel is overly cautious and an area with high vaccination rate but I’m still living life in exclusion. And I often think or believe we are being overly cautious in general! So yeah…
It really comes down to what each person is comfortable with.
The reason I don’t see vaccinated friends often? I worry they are not as careful, selective or mindful because they are vaccinated. I know some are mingling with lots of people professionally and personally. That concerns me.
My unvaccinated friends seem to be more aware and thoughtful of their interactions with others.
But to ask friends to test? Nah. I couldn’t do that. It’s why I choose to pass on seeing people or doing anything for the most part.
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Post by craftykitten on Oct 1, 2021 8:11:27 GMT
Wow. Really disappointing to see so many people dismissing someone else’s caution. We’ve had threads about what makes people feel safe, and threads about losing friendships because of COVID, and here comes a situation where a friend needs something pretty easy and harmless to help them feel safe….but no, “Lisa” can’t possibly ask her friends to do this for her, how dare she.
I would do it in a heartbeat to help a friend feel more comfortable, to help them try and loosen their pandemic restrictions, and to help them try and overcome the sheer bloody terror that some of us have been living with.
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Post by joelise on Oct 1, 2021 8:14:17 GMT
I would happily take a Covid test if it made one of my friends feel more comfortable.
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Post by Katiepotatie on Oct 1, 2021 8:47:56 GMT
I’m the “Lisa” in my friends group. I’m immunocompromised and won’t go inside anywhere unmasked. I don’t eat or drink with anyone indoors, outside my family.
I wouldn’t be comfortable with the rapid tests with asymptomatic people as they’re not always accurate.
On the flip side, I’d have no problem testing if someone provided it to make them more at ease.
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Post by sueg on Oct 1, 2021 8:57:33 GMT
Taking a rapid test before meeting with friends is pretty common here. We were invited to a friend house for an 'at home' Oktoberfest gathering last week (as the real thing didn't happen again), and over half of the guests had tested before coming, even though we were all vaxed. One told us he had a PCR test, as he also had a family wedding the next day, and everyone going had agreed to test beforehand. I'd be happy to test if asked, if it made a friend feel for comfortable meeting up with me. Better that than not seeing them.
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Post by wellway on Oct 1, 2021 9:24:18 GMT
I'd do the test.
To return to "normal" there will be people who will need more reassurance. That's okay, we all landed in different places in the last few years and our journeys back will take different routes. I'm in the boat that we are all in this together, if we don't want a society in a few years that still has people stuck in their homes, that has increased mental health problems due to isolation etc we all need to help ease their journey back into more human contact. Taking a covid test is let's face it, one small way to help.
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Post by maryannscraps on Oct 1, 2021 10:38:09 GMT
I'd have no problem with that. I know the tests aren't as accurate, but if it makes her comfortable I'd do it. So long as she was nice about asking I'd definitely accommodate her.
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Post by mikklynn on Oct 1, 2021 10:52:39 GMT
I would have no problem doing it, although I don't feel it gives me much peace of mand, due to the inaccuracy.
I do think it's out of line to ask a host to test her guests.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 1, 2021 11:03:11 GMT
Why not? (Seriously, asking.)
Lisa’s participation is conditional on your (plural) choice. It has nothing to do with demanding or requiring. Very few people know they’re not Covid positive. If this test makes nervous Lisa more comfortable, then she’ll choose to come. If that’s unacceptable to you all, she stays home. Pretty straightforward.
I understand what Lisa thinks she will gain/lose by your choice, but I’m just not sure what any of you think you will lose by agreeing, or gain/salvage by declining; hence, the “Why not?”
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Post by christine58 on Oct 1, 2021 11:21:02 GMT
My unvaccinated friends seem to be more aware and thoughtful of their interactions with others. They are certainly not the norm. Most unvaccinated people I know are NOT careful.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Oct 1, 2021 11:46:10 GMT
People are using words like demand, require, insist. This looks to me more like a request. She requested that people take a test. If I wanted her at the get together, I would honor that request.
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Post by SabrinaP on Oct 1, 2021 11:53:02 GMT
Even if I thought it was over the top, I wouldn’t have a problem with testing to make her feel safe. I agree with the people that said it’s pretty pointless to take one of the rapid tests without symptoms, but I would for my friend.
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