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Post by peasapie on Jan 19, 2022 10:25:40 GMT
This has been a known problem for quite some time and so far not enough has been done about it. My DH refused to get a push button starter for this reason — and though I tease him about his old-fashioned ways, I see the sense in it as many have died from carbon monoxide poisoning after making this mistake.
Many makes of cars - but not all - have an audible alarm if you exit a running vehicle with keys in hand. The argument against a shut-off system has been that there are times you want to leave your car on (eg leaving a pet in car with a/c on). Its enough of a problem that something should have been done, IMO. For now I’d encourage everyone to stop leaving keys in the car and put a carbon monoxide monitor in the garage as a backup.
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Post by littlemama on Jan 19, 2022 11:18:03 GMT
Wow I don’t have this but it sounds so dangerous if people have died. You would think there would be some sort of safety mechanism so this couldn’t happen. I can’t imagine leaving keys in my car even in the garage but it sounds like some do. I hope you figure out a way to prevent this in the future. This reminds me we should check our carbon monoxide monitors. There is a safety mechanism- not leaving the keys in the car. It beeps obnoxiously if you try to walk away. I believe mine screeches even if I open my door while the car is running.
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Post by kelly8875 on Jan 19, 2022 12:39:28 GMT
This isn’t the fault of the push button ignition. She could have left it running if it was a keyed vehicle too. She needs to learn to shut it off. She just wasn’t paying attention, and that’s not okay. I’m not sure how this is the fault of a push button?
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 19, 2022 12:48:37 GMT
The car is not dangerous. It is the same as a car with a key in the ignition. If the driver does not put the car in park and remove the key they are leaving it running. In the case of a push button start the driver puts the car in park and pushes the button where the key would be and it stops the car. Leaving the car running is driver error not a manufacturers defect or a fault with the system. My push button start on my Dodge Journey is a large button that says Start/Stop and on the ring around it it says OFF, ACC, RUN. Those words light up to tell me which one it is in. So when I push the button it says RUN and that stays lit up until I shut it off. Those of you who say you cannot tell when your vehicle is running on not, do you have something like that? Or somewhere on the dash it says the word RUN? Or the start button lights up? I don't know, I have driven a Jeep with a push button start and a Journey. Both were the same idea. In the case of the OP I think keeping the keys in her purse instead of leaving them in the car would solve the problem. The car beeps when the key leaves the vehicle. Or always drive with the radio on and if it does not turn off when you open the door you did not shut off your car. my coworker went to run his van bc the door had frozen shut. He forgot to turn it off (it has a key) and the next morning it was still running! He couldn't believe it wasn't stolen or that it ran out of gas! But you can forget about it with a key too!
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Post by psiluvu on Jan 19, 2022 12:50:23 GMT
I drive a Nissan Rogue with a push button start. You can't get out of the vehicle unless it's off. The locks are engaged until you push the button to turn it off. It also beeps if it is still on and I walk away. For instance if I start it and then hop out to clear the snow off it will beep, it hasn't been put in drive so the locks aren't engaged but it still beeps.
I also agree with DONT leave the key in it whether in the garage or not. Here in Ontario, insurance would not cover a stolen car with the keys in it.
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Post by Restless Spirit on Jan 19, 2022 12:56:42 GMT
The car I drive is all buttons (no gear shift). It took awhile to get used to, but I like it. This particular vehicle has multiple options/settings for turning sounds, alarms, etc on and off. I’m wondering if those sounds for leaving the fob in the car is turned off.
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Post by jmad122 on Jan 19, 2022 13:00:07 GMT
I appreciate all of your ideas and suggestions. I’m also thankful for your kindness. For the moment, we are all going to park that car outside- until we can figure out a better solution. No, there isn’t any kind of safety beeping or any noise if you walk away. I definitely think this is a flaw in the design. Cars remind you to buckle up/low gas/etc. I think they need to design a safety feature for this. This is dangerous. People make mistakes.
You can’t hear it running. She doesn’t listen to music to notify her when she gets out.
Yes, she was definitely distracted. She was sick to know what happened. But…I’ve done it too. I was at a gas station and jumped out to put gas in. I didn’t realize until I got back in. The car was pretty new, so I chalked it up to that.
She’s a fairly new driver, so I hope this will hammer it in.
I couldn’t find much online, but I will be calling the dealership today to see if there is anything that can be done. I appreciate the person that suggested that.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Jan 19, 2022 13:10:41 GMT
Sounds like you need to train your daughter not to do that. The key should be on her person and not in the car. It isn't hard to break into a garage and then your problems would be solved bc you wouldn't have a car! Take the key and the car will start beeping. Not the fault of the car.
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Post by monklady123 on Jan 19, 2022 13:30:53 GMT
That’s so sad, LibraryLady. I’m sorry. We are definitely going to figure something out. I can’t take the chance. Yes, we have detectors in the house. Thank you for asking. Seems like the solution will be to just retrain yourselves to bring the key into the house. If you try to do that while the car is running it will do its beep thing and you'll know. Eta: If the car is fairly new, which you mentioned in one of your comments, then it really should have an alarm on it if you try to leave the car running but take the key with you. When you're in contact with the dealer you should ask about that, because maybe it's a setting that's been disabled somewhere. That way you just train yourself and everyone always to take the key. In fact, if everyone has their own key they can just leave it in their purse. My key almost never leaves my everyday purse because of this. I love it. lol. I only take it out if I switch bags.
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Post by candygurl on Jan 19, 2022 13:32:17 GMT
The key was inside. She leaves it in the car. We’ve just always done that since it’s in the garage. Hmm. I wonder if our car will make a noise. I’ll try it- thank you! Mine will make a noise and display that key is detected in the car. It has stopped me once or twice from leaving the key in the car. I haven’t forgotten to turn off the car but can see how that could happen.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 19, 2022 13:41:06 GMT
Yes to all of this. I have a car with push button start and have never had an issue with forgetting to turn it off. I turn it off and a couple minutes later all the inside panels go dark, usually by the time I’ve put away my glasses and collected my purse or any other things I need to bring with me. I keep the fob in my purse and if I get out and the car is still running it makes an obnoxious beeping sound. My car also has remote start that can be operated with the fob or with my phone. If it was left running (like to warm it up) it would auto shutoff after 15 minutes. Leaving the key fob in the car is almost asking for the car to be stolen, even with it parked in the garage. Most big overhead garage doors are insanely easy to break into. Do a search on YouTube to see just how quickly someone can get in when they know what they’re doing and it will scare the crap out of you. You will never leave the key in your car or the service door between the house and the garage unlocked again. Seriously, be careful with your home security. In my old neighborhood, we had a couple rashes of break ins of unlocked cars parked in driveways. In one instance, the burglars used the garage door opener to get inside the garage- and the door connecting the house to the garage was unlocked. The burglars then went into the house - and the homeowners were HOME. They were scared to death. I locked my doors constantly - I'd even lock my back door to my fully fenced backyard when I let my dogs out in the morning. This very thing just happened to someone on our NextDoor group in my area. Someone’s kid left their vehicle unlocked in the driveway. Some groups of thieves have been making the rounds checking for unlocked cars, and got in through the garage door with the opener. Walked right into the people’s house at 4:00 am while they were home and sleeping because the door between the attached garage and the house was unlocked, and stole a purse and some other stuff. Scary! Thankfully no one was hurt. We added a smart plug to the outlet that the garage door opener is plugged into and have it set on a routine that turns the outlet off between 10 pm and 7 am so even if someone did happen to have an opener that worked on our door, the power to it is cut so it won’t open that way. If we needed to get the door open between those hours, we can turn the outlet back on with our phones. Any openers left in the vehicles are hidden and not visible. We also took the handles and any tags off the pull cords on the overhead garage doors so they can’t be snagged with a coat hanger to unlatch them. We switched out our two main entry doors to the type with push button codes so we won’t need a key to get in, just the code, so now any time we walk out of the house the doors are always locked behind us automatically. More often than not, these are crimes of opportunity so if you don’t make it easy the criminals will look for an easier mark.
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Post by smartypants71 on Jan 19, 2022 13:42:00 GMT
First of all, everyone should have a CO detector. Put one on each floor. Second, don't leave the keys in the car. Third, I guess she'll need to learn to turn it off just like a keyed vehicle, the stove, a curling iron, etc. Have a place to hang keys conveniently inside the door and make sure it's utilized. My problem is I can’t tell when it’s off. Sometimes I’ll put it in park, hit the button, think I’ve turned it off, but it will still be on either all the way or, more often, in electricity on mode. I don’t know what that’s called. When I used to have a key it was like when you turned the key only one notch and the radio, lights, etc. would run but not the engine. Does your car not display RPMs? My car is difficult to tell if it's on or off, so I usually look to see if the RPMs are at 0 to confirm my car is off.
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Post by seaexplore on Jan 19, 2022 13:51:37 GMT
What make/model car does OP have? My push button start car is not quiet! I know if it’s running or not.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jan 19, 2022 13:52:40 GMT
My old car was a push button and I LOVED it.. I am notorious for losing my keys. So when I had that car my keys were always in my purse in a pocket. Always. Never ever get in the habit of leaving your keys in the car. You will regret it sooner or later at least once. My brand new truck doesn't have push button so back to keeping track of my keys.. but I won't pay $20 grand extra for a push button.. haha.. that is the next upgrade level. Anyways, good luck!
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Post by AmandaA on Jan 19, 2022 13:59:09 GMT
My Toyota is a hybrid and will only remain “on” for one hour unless you push a button to force it otherwise. I will admit to being distracted and leaving it on when I have gotten home, but the chimes and noises that go off when I try to leave it have alerted me.
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Post by voltagain on Jan 19, 2022 14:00:27 GMT
Wow I don’t have this but it sounds so dangerous if people have died. You would think there would be some sort of safety mechanism so this couldn’t happen. I can’t imagine leaving keys in my car even in the garage but it sounds like some do. I hope you figure out a way to prevent this in the future. This reminds me we should check our carbon monoxide monitors. It is no more dangerous than leaving a car with a key running. If you leave the key in the ignition, running, and walk off you get a build up of carbon monoxide from the car's engine combustion. The op seems to have an absent minded young driver that needs to learn to pay attention to what she is doing in her car. Some bad habits have developed that needs brought to her attention. I suspect she may have left a keyed car running if she is in the habit of leaving the key in the car and not turning it off. The push button really has no bearing on this. It would be just as easy to leave a key in the ignition and leave it running.
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Post by supersoda on Jan 19, 2022 14:06:24 GMT
If you google “push button start safety” there are dozens of articles about this known safety issue. It IS a design issue because there is always going to be human error.
I’ve had push button starts for at least 10 years but a few weeks ago I accidentally left my brand new car running the entire time I was in a restaurant.
My radio does not shut off when you turn off the car and it’s hard to tell when the car is off. There are lights around the ignition button that say “run” and “off” and now I’m careful to double check when I’m getting out of the car.
I don’t remember if the keys were in the car or not, but I have accidentally left the keys in the car because I generally expect them to be in my bag.
(PSA leaving the keys in the car will affect both the fob battery and your car battery because the fob is consistently trying to ping the car when it’s in close proximity. I learned this from experience and a colleague had the same issue with batteries dying.)
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Post by peano on Jan 19, 2022 14:13:53 GMT
I always have the key in the same zipper pocket in my purse/backpack because my CR-V has a locking feature on the door handle that locks the car without the key fob. I've become paranoid about making sure to touch the key fob before I get out of the car to make sure I have it on me. Otherwise my car does have an alert if I get out of it with the engine running.
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Post by compeateropeator on Jan 19, 2022 14:34:02 GMT
It was interesting to see all of the different alarms, beeps and ways that various vehicles are built. The push button is a learning curve for my and I have left it running when distracted, but I think as I have driven it longer (I’ve had it about 7 months now) I have gotten more comfortable. With keys and a regular ignition I had to take my keys out to get into my house so there no way, unless I accidentally hit the car starter and then it would still turn off after 20 minutes. This one I don’t.
I am slowly learning the tricks. The music will turn off when I open the door, but in the winter I try and do that before I park so when I have to start it in the extreme cold I have the least amount of things drawing on the battery. I have also found there is a little display message that says to make sure to check the back seat when it is completely off. That is now what I am training myself to look for.
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Post by milocat on Jan 19, 2022 14:44:19 GMT
I've had push button for at least 5 years and have never left my car running. Never left it running with keys either. Just put it in park and turn it off, at home or out - either by pushing or turning a key it's really no different. I love never digging around for my keys. Open the door and if the radio goes off it's off. My Lincoln the radio would run until the door opened. My Toyota the radio is off when you turn off the engine. I've never not had a vehicle, the motor, turn off when I've pushed the button. I've had 2 push button, DH has had 2 push button trucks and DD has a push button also. Some have a light on the button, which is nice. We stream music through Amazon Music when in the car, so the music ends when my kid pushes stop on his phone, usually when we turn onto our street. I guess I’ll have to get them in the habit of leaving it on all the way until we get out of the car. I use Spotify or audio books on Scrib and just let it shut off with the car, no need to go into your phone. It doesn't keep playing on your phone when the car shuts off. So easy how it connects and disconnects each time you get in and out and picks right back up in the same spot you left off in.
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Post by christine58 on Jan 19, 2022 14:56:42 GMT
This is not a design flaw at all. Your DD needs to turn the car off! It’s not that hard.
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Post by milocat on Jan 19, 2022 15:02:21 GMT
These new cars beep at you for everything, eventually you stop listening. So one more beep isn't the answer. DH said sometimes my truck beeps when I stop but not always. I said that's because you have something in the back and it assumes it's a kid and you should make sure you don't forget you baby in the back seat. He was speechless that there needed to be a warning for that. My car now tells me check rear seat and beeps if there is something back there. Because people have forgotten to bring their kids in the house or went to work and didn't drop them at daycare, they are busy, stressed or on their phones. So it's the car's fault. katlaw I had one vechile that the button had a light on it and one that doesn't. I think it should at least have a light so you can easily see if it's running. Or like smartypants71 said look at the RPMs
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Post by calgaryscrapper on Jan 19, 2022 15:04:04 GMT
Perhaps call the dealership and see if they have advice. We have a place in our house for all keys. One of our cars is in the detached garage. It has a keyless start (dh puts the proximity fob in his wallet) or I will put it in my purse but it is kept in the house when not in use.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 19, 2022 17:07:19 GMT
The car is not dangerous. It is the same as a car with a key in the ignition. If the driver does not put the car in park and remove the key they are leaving it running. In the case of a push button start the driver puts the car in park and pushes the button where the key would be and it stops the car. Leaving the car running is driver error not a manufacturers defect or a fault with the system. My push button start on my Dodge Journey is a large button that says Start/Stop and on the ring around it it says OFF, ACC, RUN. Those words light up to tell me which one it is in. So when I push the button it says RUN and that stays lit up until I shut it off. Those of you who say you cannot tell when your vehicle is running on not, do you have something like that? Or somewhere on the dash it says the word RUN? Or the start button lights up? I don't know, I have driven a Jeep with a push button start and a Journey. Both were the same idea. In the case of the OP I think keeping the keys in her purse instead of leaving them in the car would solve the problem. The car beeps when the key leaves the vehicle. Or always drive with the radio on and if it does not turn off when you open the door you did not shut off your car. I totally disagree. When I had a key ignition I always knew whether my car was running or not. Now I can’t tell.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 19, 2022 17:09:14 GMT
Wow I don’t have this but it sounds so dangerous if people have died. You would think there would be some sort of safety mechanism so this couldn’t happen. I can’t imagine leaving keys in my car even in the garage but it sounds like some do. I hope you figure out a way to prevent this in the future. This reminds me we should check our carbon monoxide monitors. There is a safety mechanism- not leaving the keys in the car. It beeps obnoxiously if you try to walk away. I believe mine screeches even if I open my door while the car is running. Mine doesn’t do this when I walk away with the keys. It can still be driven or run indefinitely without the keys.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jan 19, 2022 17:16:35 GMT
My wrinkle is I have a silent-when-not-driving hybrid car. I have a button for Park and another for Ignition/Off.
I never leave my key in the car, but I could leave my car running all night in the (detached) garage and almost no gas is used. I could leave my inside light on all night and the car will start two days later.
Ask me how I know. Both.
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Post by bunnyhug on Jan 19, 2022 19:38:39 GMT
As a new driver, I think my dad yelling at me about leaving the car running in the garage and what that might result in would have ensured I never did it again! But I'm also the kind of person who watched an Oprah show about forgetting a child in a car and them dying from the heat when I was a teenager, and has checked the back seat every.single.time I've gotten out of the car in the 35 years since ... even when I didn't have children or now that they are all adults Honestly, though, people in general don't take driving seriously enough. You have the capability to do great harm with a vehicle, and everyone should probably be a bit more mindful when they are behind the wheel. Maybe try to create your own version of the pre-flight check that pilots of small aircraft do before every flight ... seatbelt on, how full is the gas tank, did I leave my purse on top of the car, etc. and then one for coming home and exiting the vehicle ... is the car off, did the garage door close fully, have I taken all of my garbage out, etc.
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Post by katlady on Jan 19, 2022 20:29:55 GMT
ETA - The push button on my car just says start/stop. There is no ACC/Run wording on it. Does it light up when the car is running? I never intended to buy a push button start but got a really good deal on my car so that is what I own. So I checked today when I went out for lunch. For one thing, I can hardly see the button because it is directly behind the windshield wiper controller. I had to lean way to the right to see the button. There is a little light above the words "Start/Stop/Engine", but that is the only light, and it wasn't on when I was driving. Maybe my headlights need to be on. And there is no light around the button. Anyways, I know you can push the button with different pressure, which is probably why I didn't completely turn off my engine those couple of times when I thought I did.
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Post by calgaryscrapper on Jan 19, 2022 20:44:48 GMT
I like the idea of a checklist before you get in and out of a car. My car is parked outside and I had not driven it for five weeks. ds drove up one day and noticed my rear tire was low. Dh drove it around to the garage and it took ten pounds of tire pressure.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 19, 2022 20:48:30 GMT
My car doors don’t unlock automatically if the car is still running, I have to push the button. If that isn’t good enough, my radio doesn’t turn off when I open the door if it’s still running. Third, if I get out without the key, the car beeps at me to let me know. Finally, I cannot lock the door if the key is inside.
Taking your key and locking the door should be second nature. It’s a fool’s paradise to think your purse is secure in your garage. Also, as stated above, if it’s not habit, it’s going eventually happen somewhere in a parking lot. She may never be caught by a thief, but why even make it easy?!?! Replacing your car and dealing with ID is joking matter. It’s painful to get it straightened out.
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