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Post by sassyangel on Jan 25, 2022 1:41:26 GMT
In Canada now vaccinated nurses can work even though they are testing positive for the covid virus...but a nurse who isn't vaccinated against covid and deoesn't have covid can't work. That doesn't make sense to me. So are you saying that nurses who are knowingly COVID positive are allowed to go to work? They don't have to isolate for 7 days? Surely that can't be right. That is one of the sad truths of what overwhelmed hospitals means here.
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Post by used2scrap on Jan 25, 2022 1:44:45 GMT
Hate to beat a dead horse, but my freedoms have been limited with my long Covid. I really don’t understand the vaccine refusers and hesitant; it’s roulette with more bullets with Covid vs roulette with less bullets with vaccines.
I’d give anything to have been able to be vaccinated before having Covid twice.
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Post by Jen in NCal on Jan 25, 2022 2:10:12 GMT
Sooooo.... Are vaccine mandates 'legal'? Washington (CNN)President Joe Biden's new vaccine requirements could apply to as many as 100 million Americans, or almost two-thirds of the American workforce, and have spawned a predictable pushback from a handful of Republican states -- making them the latest frontier in the fight between the administration and state officials over how to address the ongoing pandemic. *** The Supreme Court already decided in 1905 in Jacobson v. Massachusetts that there is no constitutional right to evade a vaccination mandate calculated to protect the community," Georgia State University College of Law professor Anthony Kreis told CNN. "This is why we can permissibly have vaccination requirements for children to attend school, for example." That 1905 Supreme Court decision is seen as the most relevant case supporting the legality of vaccine mandates. Even conservative Justice Neil Gorsuch has signaled that he would vote in favor of the Massachusetts vaccine mandate if the Jacobson case was before the court today. www.cnn.com/2021/09/19/politics/biden-vaccine-mandate-fact-check/index.html Jacobson v. Massachusetts gave states the right to impose vaccine mandates. Until the recent case, it has not been tested at a federal level. That being said, as someone stated earlier, we are treading in uncharted waters. When we were dealing with smallpox, and to a large extent even polio, the country was much more spread out and illness were a hell of a lot easier to contain. That's virtually impossible now. I could easily see this becoming a federal issue and changing the way future vaccines are handled.
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Jan 25, 2022 3:19:23 GMT
In Canada now vaccinated nurses can work even though they are testing positive for the covid virus...but a nurse who isn't vaccinated against covid and deoesn't have covid can't work. That doesn't make sense to me. So are you saying that nurses who are knowingly COVID positive are allowed to go to work? They don't have to isolate for 7 days? Surely that can't be right. Yes this is what is happening right now. I don’t know about you but I would much rather have an unvaccinated nurse or doctor attend to me that isn’t testing positive for covid than a vaccinated nurse or doctor with covid. We already had a huge nursing shortage in Canada. This mandate made it way worse and nurses are leaving the field in droves.
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Post by shescrafty on Jan 25, 2022 3:21:50 GMT
I have more freedoms now (IMO) I was able to travel without quarantining to Iceland in October. In April I will travel to Belize. This summer we will do another big trip.
I couldn’t do them and move freely about the world without quarantining if I hadn’t been vaccinated.
We didn’t eat out, go visit indoors with friends, or really do anything before we were vaccinated. I was never so happy to get a shot as I was this vaccine!
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Post by Merge on Jan 25, 2022 3:35:41 GMT
I have more freedoms now (IMO) I was able to travel without quarantining to Iceland in October. In April I will travel to Belize. This summer we will do another big trip. I couldn’t do them and move freely about the world without quarantining if I hadn’t been vaccinated. We didn’t eat out, go visit indoors with friends, or really do anything before we were vaccinated. I was never so happy to get a shot as I was this vaccine! Check on Belize. Their travel restrictions have been somewhat in flux.
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Post by Merge on Jan 25, 2022 3:37:18 GMT
So are you saying that nurses who are knowingly COVID positive are allowed to go to work? They don't have to isolate for 7 days? Surely that can't be right. Yes this is what is happening right now. I don’t know about you but I would much rather have an unvaccinated nurse or doctor attend to me that isn’t testing positive for covid than a vaccinated nurse or doctor with covid. We already had a huge nursing shortage in Canada. This mandate made it way worse and nurses are leaving the field in droves. This is a false dichotomy. The way this variant is working, both nurses have Covid. You can have the one who probably stopped being contagious before she came back to work, or the one who probably didn’t.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2022 3:53:40 GMT
She made her choice. Companies tend to not want unvaccinated people around. So now she has her freedom. Everybody’s happy. Yes , I think this is the right way to see it. She is exercising her free choice not to be vaccinated. I think it is a stupid choice but she has that right. People have been misled into fear of this vaccine and the fear is so strong there is no way to rehabilitate them out of it. We are learning things about human nature the hard way. I hope it will be learned and applied to the next pandemic.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 25, 2022 4:02:15 GMT
I hadn’t heard of this. I find it interesting that she had no problem trashing Mercy Hospital but won’t even say what hospital he was transferred to or the circumstances about how he eventually died.
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Jan 25, 2022 4:06:10 GMT
Yes this is what is happening right now. I don’t know about you but I would much rather have an unvaccinated nurse or doctor attend to me that isn’t testing positive for covid than a vaccinated nurse or doctor with covid. We already had a huge nursing shortage in Canada. This mandate made it way worse and nurses are leaving the field in droves. This is a false dichotomy. The way this variant is working, both nurses have Covid. You can have the one who probably stopped being contagious before she came back to work, or the one who probably didn’t. Maybe a better question might be would you rather an unvaccinated nurse than no nurse at all? I think it is safe to say anyone can have covid at any given time but we know the people testing positive do have it. I also think nurses who have had covid and recovered should be able to work. Or is natural immunity just not possible?
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Jan 25, 2022 4:20:01 GMT
I have more freedoms now (IMO) I was able to travel without quarantining to Iceland in October. In April I will travel to Belize. This summer we will do another big trip. I couldn’t do them and move freely about the world without quarantining if I hadn’t been vaccinated. We didn’t eat out, go visit indoors with friends, or really do anything before we were vaccinated. I was never so happy to get a shot as I was this vaccine! Even the vaccinated people are not free to internationally travel much in Canada. There is still a travel advisory in place for essential travel only. I have booked 4 vacations in the last two years and all of them have been cancelled.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 25, 2022 4:23:32 GMT
I hadn’t heard of this. I find it interesting that she had no problem trashing Mercy Hospital but won’t even say what hospital he was transferred to or the circumstances about how he eventually died. Yeah, it’s quite the story. I found it hard to understand that her main issue was he lost 30lbs. I’m not a health professional (maybe one one who knows could say) but I can’t imagine being intubated, sedated and fed via a feeding tube for two months while your body is fighting an illness doing enough damage to your organs to require ICU care, would leave you in the same physical condition. From what I understand, intubation is hard on a body and more a final, critical procedure - than one done routinely. They intubate as a last resort with Covid patients, and I’m not sure what the length of time people are normally intubated for with it, but 60 days *seems* a long time. Also before they pull life support, that decision usually goes through more than one panel of decision/case review before a decision to end life support is made. It’s not done lightly at all when it’s a hospital making the call.
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Post by Merge on Jan 25, 2022 4:31:39 GMT
This is a false dichotomy. The way this variant is working, both nurses have Covid. You can have the one who probably stopped being contagious before she came back to work, or the one who probably didn’t. Maybe a better question might be would you rather an unvaccinated nurse than no nurse at all? I think it is safe to say anyone can have covid at any given time but we know the people testing positive do have it. I also think nurses who have had covid and recovered should be able to work. Or is natural immunity just not possible? I don’t want a nurse who values the woo science and scare tactics of people with a political agenda over a strong majority of experts in virology and epidemiology. That nurse isn’t very smart. I’d like a smart nurse. “Natural immunity” wanes pretty quickly as new variants emerge. It’s not a permanent immunity. Just like having last year’s flu doesn’t prevent you from getting this year’s flu, someone who had Covid last year is no more protected at this point than an unvaxxed person who never had Covid at all. The number of medical professionals who have quit rather than be vaccinated is very small. They’re not the ones causing a shortage of nurses right now. It’s the unvaccinated people filling the hospitals over capacity who are the problem. One nurse can only be stretched so far.
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Post by Merge on Jan 25, 2022 4:36:19 GMT
I hadn’t heard of this. I find it interesting that she had no problem trashing Mercy Hospital but won’t even say what hospital he was transferred to or the circumstances about how he eventually died. We have a doctor here who is known as the ivermectin guy. I’d bet a million dollars that she transferred him to that hospital in the hopes that ivermectin would save him. (I have nothing to base that on - just speculation.)
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Jan 25, 2022 4:51:49 GMT
Maybe a better question might be would you rather an unvaccinated nurse than no nurse at all? I think it is safe to say anyone can have covid at any given time but we know the people testing positive do have it. I also think nurses who have had covid and recovered should be able to work. Or is natural immunity just not possible? I don’t want a nurse who values the woo science and scare tactics of people with a political agenda over a strong majority of experts in virology and epidemiology. That nurse isn’t very smart. I’d like a smart nurse. “Natural immunity” wanes pretty quickly as new variants emerge. It’s not a permanent immunity. Just like having last year’s flu doesn’t prevent you from getting this year’s flu, someone who had Covid last year is no more protected at this point than an unvaxxed person who never had Covid at all. The number of medical professionals who have quit rather than be vaccinated is very small. They’re not the ones causing a shortage of nurses right now. It’s the unvaccinated people filling the hospitals over capacity who are the problem. One nurse can only be stretched so far. I think you are mistaken merge. I personally know 4 that have left the profession. My sister works as a RN in a Long term care home. They have been severely short staffed for 10+ years…some of her stories of the subpar care long before covid existed is horrendous ( the military investigated long term care prior to covid in Ontario). Their home alone just lost almost 1/3 of their nurses over this yet their home has also not had one covid case in this pandemic. I am positive these elderly would rather be cared for by highly educated nurses.
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Post by valincal on Jan 25, 2022 4:52:03 GMT
I have more freedoms now (IMO) I was able to travel without quarantining to Iceland in October. In April I will travel to Belize. This summer we will do another big trip. I couldn’t do them and move freely about the world without quarantining if I hadn’t been vaccinated. We didn’t eat out, go visit indoors with friends, or really do anything before we were vaccinated. I was never so happy to get a shot as I was this vaccine! Even the vaccinated people are not free to internationally travel much in Canada. There is still a travel advisory in place for essential travel only. I have booked 4 vacations in the last two years and all of them have been cancelled. The Canadian government hasn’t stopped anyone from traveling. There are guidelines in place but we are free to travel.
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Post by Merge on Jan 25, 2022 5:01:55 GMT
I don’t want a nurse who values the woo science and scare tactics of people with a political agenda over a strong majority of experts in virology and epidemiology. That nurse isn’t very smart. I’d like a smart nurse. “Natural immunity” wanes pretty quickly as new variants emerge. It’s not a permanent immunity. Just like having last year’s flu doesn’t prevent you from getting this year’s flu, someone who had Covid last year is no more protected at this point than an unvaxxed person who never had Covid at all. The number of medical professionals who have quit rather than be vaccinated is very small. They’re not the ones causing a shortage of nurses right now. It’s the unvaccinated people filling the hospitals over capacity who are the problem. One nurse can only be stretched so far. I think you are mistaken merge. I personally know 4 that have left the profession. My sister works as a RN in a Long term care home. They have been severely short staffed for 10+ years…some of her stories of the subpar care long before covid existed is horrendous ( the military investigated long term care prior to covid in Ontario). Their home alone just lost almost 1/3 of their nurses over this yet their home has also not had one covid case in this pandemic. I am positive these elderly would rather be cared for by highly educated nurses. I think you want to look at reports on overall numbers, not your own personal experience. As you say, staffing shortages were a problem long before the pandemic. Perhaps we should just let anyone be a nurse - if a basic understand of science isn’t required for entry, why should a nursing degree be? 🙄
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 25, 2022 5:41:55 GMT
I don’t want a nurse who values the woo science and scare tactics of people with a political agenda over a strong majority of experts in virology and epidemiology. That nurse isn’t very smart. I’d like a smart nurse. “Natural immunity” wanes pretty quickly as new variants emerge. It’s not a permanent immunity. Just like having last year’s flu doesn’t prevent you from getting this year’s flu, someone who had Covid last year is no more protected at this point than an unvaxxed person who never had Covid at all. The number of medical professionals who have quit rather than be vaccinated is very small. They’re not the ones causing a shortage of nurses right now. It’s the unvaccinated people filling the hospitals over capacity who are the problem. One nurse can only be stretched so far. I think you are mistaken merge. I personally know 4 that have left the profession. My sister works as a RN in a Long term care home. They have been severely short staffed for 10+ years…some of her stories of the subpar care long before covid existed is horrendous ( the military investigated long term care prior to covid in Ontario). Their home alone just lost almost 1/3 of their nurses over this yet their home has also not had one covid case in this pandemic. I am positive these elderly would rather be cared for by highly educated nurses. That’s pretty bold, telling someone they’re mistaken on actual statistics with a single personal anecdote. Also hardly objective. Here are some actual numbers of employees fired for non compliance with vaccine mandates out of total employees of major health systems here, and this isn’t a complete list, there are some missing. Please note this is total employees so both numbers (fired and total) includes non health professional staff. www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals/how-many-employees-have-hospitals-lost-to-vaccine-mandates-numbers-so-far
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Post by dewryce on Jan 25, 2022 6:59:39 GMT
The government has mandated vaccines before. Why is this one the hill conservatives are literally willing to die on? State governments have. The federal government has not. Again, an absolute refusal to distinguish and understand the distinction between the two. This conversation is about loss of freedom. Is it your opinion that most of the people who believe this way would be fine if states issued the mandate rather than the federal government? That they wouldn’t feel like their freedom was being taken away by a state mandated COVID vaccine?
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Post by AussieMeg on Jan 25, 2022 7:19:31 GMT
So are you saying that nurses who are knowingly COVID positive are allowed to go to work? They don't have to isolate for 7 days? Surely that can't be right. Yes this is what is happening right now. I don’t know about you but I would much rather have an unvaccinated nurse or doctor attend to me that isn’t testing positive for covid than a vaccinated nurse or doctor with covid. We already had a huge nursing shortage in Canada. This mandate made it way worse and nurses are leaving the field in droves. Yes I would rather an unvaccinated nurse attending me than a COVID positive vaccinated nurse. Why are the nurses leaving in droves? I assume that it's because they're not vaccinated (because you mentioned the mandate is making it worse). I don't have any numbers for here, but I doubt nurses are leaving in droves due to being anti vax / unvaccinated.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2022 10:02:53 GMT
So are you saying that nurses who are knowingly COVID positive are allowed to go to work? They don't have to isolate for 7 days? Surely that can't be right. Yes this is what is happening right now. I don’t know about you but I would much rather have an unvaccinated nurse or doctor attend to me that isn’t testing positive for covid than a vaccinated nurse or doctor with covid. We already had a huge nursing shortage in Canada. This mandate made it way worse and nurses are leaving the field in droves. But that isn't actually what the guidance says though is it? If you have had a high risk contact and you are fully vaccinated with no symptoms then you can go to work. That is very different to what you are suggesting that you are able to go to work knowing one is positive. Surely no individual person wouldn't even do that and risk infecting others. Whether you knowingly had a high risk contact or not the risk is there from everyone in that 3 to 5 days incubation period before someone has symptoms. So those unvaccinated that you would rather treat you are just as likely to be carrying it too. Most viruses have that incubation period when one is not aware that they have been infected. It doesn't apply just to Covid. Being fully vaccinated ( including boosted) lessens the risk of you contacting the virus quite significantly. So rather than have all these people isolating as a precaution that they might be infected puts a great strain on workforces everywhere. A great number of these people will not catch the virus if they are fully vaccinated. They won't catch everyone but there comes a time that a risk assessment has to be made between the risk of catching the virus and the risk of having millions of asymptomatic employees sitting at home as a precaution. The best precaution anyone can take in the " waiting" period after high risk contact is to do daily tests before they go to work.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 25, 2022 11:43:55 GMT
State governments have. The federal government has not. Again, an absolute refusal to distinguish and understand the distinction between the two. This conversation is about loss of freedom. Is it your opinion that most of the people who believe this way would be fine if states issued the mandate rather than the federal government? That they wouldn’t feel like their freedom was being taken away by a state mandated COVID vaccine? Excellent question. I wonder how they would feel if a Republican governor/ legislature were to issue a mandate? That would be unlikely, but it’s an interesting thought exercise. 🤔
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Jan 25, 2022 11:48:22 GMT
I think you are mistaken merge. I personally know 4 that have left the profession. My sister works as a RN in a Long term care home. They have been severely short staffed for 10+ years…some of her stories of the subpar care long before covid existed is horrendous ( the military investigated long term care prior to covid in Ontario). Their home alone just lost almost 1/3 of their nurses over this yet their home has also not had one covid case in this pandemic. I am positive these elderly would rather be cared for by highly educated nurses. That’s pretty bold, telling someone they’re mistaken on actual statistics with a single personal anecdote. Also hardly objective. Here are some actual numbers of employees fired for non compliance with vaccine mandates out of total employees of major health systems here, and this isn’t a complete list, there are some missing. Please note this is total employees so both numbers (fired and total) includes non health professional staff. www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals/how-many-employees-have-hospitals-lost-to-vaccine-mandates-numbers-so-farI guess I also feel like calling educated nurses “not smart people” also pretty bold. I am fully vaccinated. I believe in science and the vaccines. Some of the decisions the Canadian government is making though do not make logical sense. Some of these decisions are definitely not science based. I can’t find the Canadian statistic like you posted above for the American healthcare workers leaving. But I did find this article stating that one LTH care place is Toronto lost 1/3 of its staff. Sorry typing on my phone so not sure how to link. www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/canadas-overworked-healthcare-sector-brace-staff-shortages-vaccine-mandates-loom-2021-10-10/
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Jan 25, 2022 11:55:45 GMT
Yes this is what is happening right now. I don’t know about you but I would much rather have an unvaccinated nurse or doctor attend to me that isn’t testing positive for covid than a vaccinated nurse or doctor with covid. We already had a huge nursing shortage in Canada. This mandate made it way worse and nurses are leaving the field in droves. Yes I would rather an unvaccinated nurse attending me than a COVID positive vaccinated nurse. Why are the nurses leaving in droves? I assume that it's because they're not vaccinated (because you mentioned the mandate is making it worse). I don't have any numbers for here, but I doubt nurses are leaving in droves due to being anti vax / unvaccinated. AussieMeg In Ontario (I think some parts of Canada are much better than others) nurses were already really fed up. Totally overworked and the covid situation and mandates made this situation way worse. It is really sad. I have a lot of health care workers nurses/paramedics in my family most of them want out. My sister is on mat leave and doesn’t plan on going back to nursing when she is done.
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Post by paigepea on Jan 25, 2022 12:11:01 GMT
I have more freedoms now (IMO) I was able to travel without quarantining to Iceland in October. In April I will travel to Belize. This summer we will do another big trip. I couldn’t do them and move freely about the world without quarantining if I hadn’t been vaccinated. We didn’t eat out, go visit indoors with friends, or really do anything before we were vaccinated. I was never so happy to get a shot as I was this vaccine! Even the vaccinated people are not free to internationally travel much in Canada. There is still a travel advisory in place for essential travel only. I have booked 4 vacations in the last two years and all of them have been cancelled. This is just an advisory. You have always been free to travel. But now if you’re unvaxxed you can’t get on a Canadian carrier of any kind or get on a plane at a Canadian airport plus you have to quarantine upon arrival home, while the vaxxed don’t have restrictions.
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Post by paigepea on Jan 25, 2022 12:19:29 GMT
Yes this is what is happening right now. I don’t know about you but I would much rather have an unvaccinated nurse or doctor attend to me that isn’t testing positive for covid than a vaccinated nurse or doctor with covid. We already had a huge nursing shortage in Canada. This mandate made it way worse and nurses are leaving the field in droves. Yes I would rather an unvaccinated nurse attending me than a COVID positive vaccinated nurse. Why are the nurses leaving in droves? I assume that it's because they're not vaccinated (because you mentioned the mandate is making it worse). I don't have any numbers for here, but I doubt nurses are leaving in droves due to being anti vax / unvaccinated. I think the point is that you have a greater chance of contracting covid from someone who is unvaxxed and not displaying symptoms (there is no testing of nurses with no symptoms before they go to work) than from someone vaxxed, positive and with no or improved symptoms. In BC, a nurse or doctor can go to work if they are covid positive if they have no symptoms or improved symptoms. But in BC there is no isolation for someone positive and vaxxed with no symptoms or improved symptoms, as these people don’t have enough viral load to pass it on. Healthcare workers should be vaccinated to help stop the spread in their workplaces as well as to be role models in their communities / stop the spread in their communities. I think we have learned that there will be no herd immunity as we will need a shot every year. People are getting covid multiple times.
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Jan 25, 2022 12:40:43 GMT
Even the vaccinated people are not free to internationally travel much in Canada. There is still a travel advisory in place for essential travel only. I have booked 4 vacations in the last two years and all of them have been cancelled. This is just an advisory. You have always been free to travel. But now if you’re unvaxxed you can’t get on a Canadian carrier of any kind or get on a plane at a Canadian airport plus you have to quarantine upon arrival home, while the vaxxed don’t have restrictions. This hasn't been my experience at all. There has been border closures / flight cancellations / quarantine periods of up to two weeks upon return if you do leave Canada. Covid testing. mandated Covid hotels for positive travellers that seemed closer to a Jail experience than a hotel experience. I have had two trips to mexico that flights have been cancelled due to a combination of travel restrictions. I had a trip to quebec scheduled but then the border closed between ontario and quebec. We typically go to PEI every summer. If you went to their province you had to quarantine for 10 days. I had a trip to US cancelled and they closed the borders to the states for an unprecedented number of months. Our politicians were raked over the coals last year because they were telling the citizens to cancel their vacation plans but yet all the politicians were still finding ways to go on theirs.
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Jan 25, 2022 12:43:31 GMT
Yes I would rather an unvaccinated nurse attending me than a COVID positive vaccinated nurse. Why are the nurses leaving in droves? I assume that it's because they're not vaccinated (because you mentioned the mandate is making it worse). I don't have any numbers for here, but I doubt nurses are leaving in droves due to being anti vax / unvaccinated. I think the point is that you have a greater chance of contracting covid from someone who is unvaxxed and not displaying symptoms (there is no testing of nurses with no symptoms before they go to work) than from someone vaxxed, positive and with no or improved symptoms. In BC, a nurse or doctor can go to work if they are covid positive if they have no symptoms or improved symptoms. But in BC there is no isolation for someone positive and vaxxed with no symptoms or improved symptoms, as these people don’t have enough viral load to pass it on. Healthcare workers should be vaccinated to help stop the spread in their workplaces as well as to be role models in their communities / stop the spread in their communities. I think we have learned that there will be no herd immunity as we will need a shot every year. People are getting covid multiple times. Where I am paige unvaxxed nurses had to test every three days at their own expense.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 25, 2022 14:06:18 GMT
They are not smart people, *if* they are making these decisions based on political beliefs and fearmongering over their own education. I agree with that. 🤷🏼♀️ It wasn’t that they are just not smart people. 😣
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Post by paigepea on Jan 25, 2022 14:28:59 GMT
This is just an advisory. You have always been free to travel. But now if you’re unvaxxed you can’t get on a Canadian carrier of any kind or get on a plane at a Canadian airport plus you have to quarantine upon arrival home, while the vaxxed don’t have restrictions. This hasn't been my experience at all. There has been border closures / flight cancellations / quarantine periods of up to two weeks upon return if you do leave Canada. Covid testing. mandated Covid hotels for positive travellers that seemed closer to a Jail experience than a hotel experience. I have had two trips to mexico that flights have been cancelled due to a combination of travel restrictions. I had a trip to quebec scheduled but then the border closed between ontario and quebec. We typically go to PEI every summer. If you went to their province you had to quarantine for 10 days. I had a trip to US cancelled and they closed the borders to the states for an unprecedented number of months. Our politicians were raked over the coals last year because they were telling the citizens to cancel their vacation plans but yet all the politicians were still finding ways to go on theirs. That’s too bad. We have had a diff experience. Once vaccinated, we have been back and forth to US a few times. Once for vacation and other times just driving across the border. My sister in US has been back and forth multiple times. We went across country last summer and did go onto PEI with no problem, although all Maritime provinces required our vaccine info. Once vaccinated we felt like travel really opened up. Were you facing quarantine issues and closures even after your vaccines? Many of my friends travelled this winter to the US and abroad like Europe, Mexico, Caribbean, etc with no issue. But they all needed their vaccine card. Some flights were cancelled in the winter due to staff shortages.
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