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Post by mandolyn9909 on Jan 25, 2022 14:57:13 GMT
This hasn't been my experience at all. There has been border closures / flight cancellations / quarantine periods of up to two weeks upon return if you do leave Canada. Covid testing. mandated Covid hotels for positive travellers that seemed closer to a Jail experience than a hotel experience. I have had two trips to mexico that flights have been cancelled due to a combination of travel restrictions. I had a trip to quebec scheduled but then the border closed between ontario and quebec. We typically go to PEI every summer. If you went to their province you had to quarantine for 10 days. I had a trip to US cancelled and they closed the borders to the states for an unprecedented number of months. Our politicians were raked over the coals last year because they were telling the citizens to cancel their vacation plans but yet all the politicians were still finding ways to go on theirs. That’s too bad. We have had a diff experience. Once vaccinated, we have been back and forth to US a few times. Once for vacation and other times just driving across the border. My sister in US has been back and forth multiple times. We went across country last summer and did go onto PEI with no problem, although all Maritime provinces required our vaccine info. Once vaccinated we felt like travel really opened up. Were you facing quarantine issues and closures even after your vaccines? Many of my friends travelled this winter to the US and abroad like Europe, Mexico, Caribbean, etc with no issue. But they all needed their vaccine card. Some flights were cancelled in the winter due to staff shortages. our family wasn't all eligible to get vaccinated until the end of last summer but yes some of these have been after vaccination. The last Mexico flights that just got cancelled happened a week ago. They could reschedule but there was a group of 10 of us going and it didn't work for most of us as most of us need to give vacation time well in advance at our jobs. Beside the flight change we still would need to test negative for Covid before we could come back into canada, even though we are all vaccinated. Definitely not easy/stress free travel. You can't fly / take a train at all in canada unvaxxed as far as I am aware.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2022 15:10:33 GMT
That’s too bad. We have had a diff experience. Once vaccinated, we have been back and forth to US a few times. Once for vacation and other times just driving across the border. My sister in US has been back and forth multiple times. We went across country last summer and did go onto PEI with no problem, although all Maritime provinces required our vaccine info. Once vaccinated we felt like travel really opened up. Were you facing quarantine issues and closures even after your vaccines? Many of my friends travelled this winter to the US and abroad like Europe, Mexico, Caribbean, etc with no issue. But they all needed their vaccine card. Some flights were cancelled in the winter due to staff shortages. our family wasn't all eligible to get vaccinated until the end of last summer but yes some of these have been after vaccination. The last Mexico flights that just got cancelled happened a week ago. They could reschedule but there was a group of 10 of us going and it didn't work for most of us as most of us need to give vacation time well in advance at our jobs. Beside the flight change we still would need to test negative for Covid before we could come back into canada, even though we are all vaccinated. Definitely not easy/stress free travel. You can't fly / take a train at all in canada unvaxxed as far as I am aware. This sounds like there's less freedom being unvaccinated than getting a couple of free shots. All of your problems are because of scheduling conflicts and people in your circle choosing not to get two safe shots. Suck it up buttercup.
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Post by valincal on Jan 25, 2022 15:15:41 GMT
our family wasn't all eligible to get vaccinated until the end of last summer but yes some of these have been after vaccination. The last Mexico flights that just got cancelled happened a week ago. They could reschedule but there was a group of 10 of us going and it didn't work for most of us as most of us need to give vacation time well in advance at our jobs. Beside the flight change we still would need to test negative for Covid before we could come back into canada, even though we are all vaccinated. Definitely not easy/stress free travel. You can't fly / take a train at all in canada unvaxxed as far as I am aware. This sounds like there's less freedom being unvaccinated than getting a couple of free shots. All of your problems are because of scheduling conflicts and people in your circle choosing not to get two safe shots. Suck it up buttercup. And it’s a far cry from her original statement which was “Even the vaccinated people are not free to internationally travel much in Canada.” (As I post from Mexico.)
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Post by paigepea on Jan 25, 2022 15:54:05 GMT
That’s too bad. We have had a diff experience. Once vaccinated, we have been back and forth to US a few times. Once for vacation and other times just driving across the border. My sister in US has been back and forth multiple times. We went across country last summer and did go onto PEI with no problem, although all Maritime provinces required our vaccine info. Once vaccinated we felt like travel really opened up. Were you facing quarantine issues and closures even after your vaccines? Many of my friends travelled this winter to the US and abroad like Europe, Mexico, Caribbean, etc with no issue. But they all needed their vaccine card. Some flights were cancelled in the winter due to staff shortages. our family wasn't all eligible to get vaccinated until the end of last summer but yes some of these have been after vaccination. The last Mexico flights that just got cancelled happened a week ago. They could reschedule but there was a group of 10 of us going and it didn't work for most of us as most of us need to give vacation time well in advance at our jobs. Beside the flight change we still would need to test negative for Covid before we could come back into canada, even though we are all vaccinated. Definitely not easy/stress free travel. You can't fly / take a train at all in canada unvaxxed as far as I am aware. Although if you hadn’t been vaccinated you wouldn’t have been able to even book that flight to Mexico to begin with, unless you could drive across the border and fly from the United States. But then when you returned you would have had to quarantine for 14 days. I’m sorry your flight was cancelled but that is a risk in the airline industry right now. When we went away we had the option of driving home if we tested positive because we didn’t go as far away. It was our backup plan only because dh didn’t want to get stuck. If you test positive away you have to wait 14 days to get on a plane whereas you can drive across the border when positive no problem. So yes, airline travel is a bit more difficult. But it’s nice to be on a plane when you KNOW that everyone is vaccinated and everyone has taken an negative test the day or 3 days before.
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Jan 25, 2022 18:43:18 GMT
our family wasn't all eligible to get vaccinated until the end of last summer but yes some of these have been after vaccination. The last Mexico flights that just got cancelled happened a week ago. They could reschedule but there was a group of 10 of us going and it didn't work for most of us as most of us need to give vacation time well in advance at our jobs. Beside the flight change we still would need to test negative for Covid before we could come back into canada, even though we are all vaccinated. Definitely not easy/stress free travel. You can't fly / take a train at all in canada unvaxxed as far as I am aware. This sounds like there's less freedom being unvaccinated than getting a couple of free shots. All of your problems are because of scheduling conflicts and people in your circle choosing not to get two safe shots. Suck it up buttercup. I am not sure what you mean by two free shots? if you mean vaccinated...we are all fully vaccinated. I have been sucking it up but it is getting hard after two years. Currently I can't go eat in a restaurant / my kids can't play any recreational sports / I am needing to work from home...some of my friends haven't been able to go back to work in an office for almost two years...all while being fully vaccinated. It just seems like a never ending cycle of goals with no end in sight really. School has been done more from home over the last two years than has been done in class...my kids mental health is really struggling, we have a great counselor but can't meet in person...it just isn't quite the same. Our local doctors office hasn't been open in almost 2 years, everything is done virtual or by phone. At this point it does feel like we are losing freedoms. If I am feeling like this while being vaccinated I can't imagine how others feel.
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Jan 25, 2022 18:46:01 GMT
our family wasn't all eligible to get vaccinated until the end of last summer but yes some of these have been after vaccination. The last Mexico flights that just got cancelled happened a week ago. They could reschedule but there was a group of 10 of us going and it didn't work for most of us as most of us need to give vacation time well in advance at our jobs. Beside the flight change we still would need to test negative for Covid before we could come back into canada, even though we are all vaccinated. Definitely not easy/stress free travel. You can't fly / take a train at all in canada unvaxxed as far as I am aware. Although if you hadn’t been vaccinated you wouldn’t have been able to even book that flight to Mexico to begin with, unless you could drive across the border and fly from the United States. But then when you returned you would have had to quarantine for 14 days. I’m sorry your flight was cancelled but that is a risk in the airline industry right now. When we went away we had the option of driving home if we tested positive because we didn’t go as far away. It was our backup plan only because dh didn’t want to get stuck. If you test positive away you have to wait 14 days to get on a plane whereas you can drive across the border when positive no problem. So yes, airline travel is a bit more difficult. But it’s nice to be on a plane when you KNOW that everyone is vaccinated and everyone has taken an negative test the day or 3 days before. I didn't realize you could come across US border with covid. I will admit I had no idea that was possible. I thought you had to show proof of negative test similar to any other country you come back from right now.
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Post by MerryMom on Jan 25, 2022 22:07:56 GMT
I worked at a hospital Emergency Department for several years in the late 1980s to early 1990s. I had to receive the Hepatitis vaccine series, chest x-ray, and TB tests as part of my hiring. Annual TB tests and chest x-rays were required.
In addition, when I was vaccinated for measles as a child, apparently the type of vaccine used for kids back then wasn’t as effective as ones used from the late 1960s on. So I had to be re-vaccinated for one of the types of measles.
For the first 3 years I worked there, it was “highly recommended” to get the annual flu vaccine (which I did). Then it was required and you had to get it if you worked in direct patient care or in the ED. If you had a health reason to not get the vaccine, you could quit or accept reassignment to non- direct care area during flu season ( for those hours and that rate of pay).
If you refused just because, you were fired.
No one chirped about our violated “rights”.
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Post by drummergirl65 on Jan 25, 2022 23:04:22 GMT
I worked at a hospital Emergency Department for several years in the late 1980s to early 1990s. I had to receive the Hepatitis vaccine series, chest x-ray, and TB tests as part of my hiring. Annual TB tests and chest x-rays were required. In addition, when I was vaccinated for measles as a child, apparently the type of vaccine used for kids back then wasn’t as effective as ones used from the late 1960s on. So I had to be re-vaccinated for one of the types of measles. For the first 3 years I worked there, it was “highly recommended” to get the annual flu vaccine (which I did). Then it was required and you had to get it if you worked in direct patient care or in the ED. If you had a health reason to not get the vaccine, you could quit or accept reassignment to non- direct care area during flu season ( for those hours and that rate of pay). If you refused just because, you were fired. No one chirped about our violated “rights”. Same. I worked in LTC in the 80s. Had to be vaxxed for everything, x rays etc. If someone complained they were looked at as if they had 3 heads and then bye bye job.
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Post by Mel on Jan 26, 2022 14:14:26 GMT
I worked at a hospital Emergency Department for several years in the late 1980s to early 1990s. I had to receive the Hepatitis vaccine series, chest x-ray, and TB tests as part of my hiring. Annual TB tests and chest x-rays were required. In addition, when I was vaccinated for measles as a child, apparently the type of vaccine used for kids back then wasn’t as effective as ones used from the late 1960s on. So I had to be re-vaccinated for one of the types of measles. For the first 3 years I worked there, it was “highly recommended” to get the annual flu vaccine (which I did). Then it was required and you had to get it if you worked in direct patient care or in the ED. If you had a health reason to not get the vaccine, you could quit or accept reassignment to non- direct care area during flu season ( for those hours and that rate of pay). If you refused just because, you were fired. No one chirped about our violated “rights”. This is the perfect example of how it has been politicized! Before this pandemic, those were just things that we/you accepted as a part of your job. Something that you had to decide (different department, etc). Just like wearing a uniform or a certain color of scrubs. It was just the "rules".
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 26, 2022 14:22:02 GMT
I didn’t even work in direct patient care, but because we were a critical care facility, we all had to get our flu shots every season. Every single employee.
No one complained. We all understood just how medically vulnerable our patients were, and why it was necessary.
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Post by paigepea on Jan 26, 2022 14:43:49 GMT
Although if you hadn’t been vaccinated you wouldn’t have been able to even book that flight to Mexico to begin with, unless you could drive across the border and fly from the United States. But then when you returned you would have had to quarantine for 14 days. I’m sorry your flight was cancelled but that is a risk in the airline industry right now. When we went away we had the option of driving home if we tested positive because we didn’t go as far away. It was our backup plan only because dh didn’t want to get stuck. If you test positive away you have to wait 14 days to get on a plane whereas you can drive across the border when positive no problem. So yes, airline travel is a bit more difficult. But it’s nice to be on a plane when you KNOW that everyone is vaccinated and everyone has taken an negative test the day or 3 days before. I didn't realize you could come across US border with covid. I will admit I had no idea that was possible. I thought you had to show proof of negative test similar to any other country you come back from right now. A Canadian can always come in with covid. You need the negative test to get on the plane. If someone lands at the airport and tests positive, Canadian or not, they are told to self isolate at home. No one is turned away but you currently can’t get on a plane without a negative PCR test. I do think it’s time to stop the testing at the airport though. It’s not like they’re preventing covid from entering our country. It’s already here. I think the pre boarding test makes air travel better. One also needs a vaccine to enter Canada if not Canadian.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 26, 2022 15:40:13 GMT
So are you saying that nurses who are knowingly COVID positive are allowed to go to work? They don't have to isolate for 7 days? Surely that can't be right. Yes this is what is happening right now. I don’t know about you but I would much rather have an unvaccinated nurse or doctor attend to me that isn’t testing positive for covid than a vaccinated nurse or doctor with covid. We already had a huge nursing shortage in Canada. This mandate made it way worse and nurses are leaving the field in droves. Are there as many anti-vaxxers in Canada as in the US? I knew there were some in every country, obviously, but didn't think it was as big of an issue there. I just read an article that said that at our local medical system (which includes a hospital and several clinics) there are 12,000 employees who have been vaccinated. I don't remember the exact number who are on leave due to refusing the vaccine, but I believe it was about 170. They said most of those were not in direct care, and there were no physicians or higher level providers (their words) that refused. A total of 27 nurses refused. I am not saying that those nurses don't matter, obviously every employee makes a difference. But I would hardly call that "leaving in droves" because of not wanting to get vaccinated. I would, however, be interested to know how many health care workers are leaving because of other stresses with Covid, such as long hours, dealing with those who continually spout misinformation and anti-vax rhetoric, etc.
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Jan 26, 2022 17:31:08 GMT
Yes this is what is happening right now. I don’t know about you but I would much rather have an unvaccinated nurse or doctor attend to me that isn’t testing positive for covid than a vaccinated nurse or doctor with covid. We already had a huge nursing shortage in Canada. This mandate made it way worse and nurses are leaving the field in droves. Are there as many anti-vaxxers in Canada as in the US? I knew there were some in every country, obviously, but didn't think it was as big of an issue there. I just read an article that said that at our local medical system (which includes a hospital and several clinics) there are 12,000 employees who have been vaccinated. I don't remember the exact number who are on leave due to refusing the vaccine, but I believe it was about 170. They said most of those were not in direct care, and there were no physicians or higher level providers (their words) that refused. A total of 27 nurses refused. I am not saying that those nurses don't matter, obviously every employee makes a difference. But I would hardly call that "leaving in droves" because of not wanting to get vaccinated. I would, however, be interested to know how many health care workers are leaving because of other stresses with Covid, such as long hours, dealing with those who continually spout misinformation and anti-vax rhetoric, etc. This largely depends on where you are in the country. I think on average they are losing about 3-5 % of unvaxxed nurses. Some places though have lost 30% of their staff to the vaccine mandate. I linked an article above. I just know lots of first hand accounts and the situation is very sad / scary on how understaffed they are. There was many shifts my sister was responsible for 60 LTC patients on a day shift because they were so short staffed. Quick math that would work out to less than 10 minutes each patient would get with nurse care...to feed/bathe/medicate... I believe the ratio is supposed to be 1 to 12 or 1 to 15 (not positive on this). Average they were 1:30 daily without the vaccine mandate. Like I said my sister has no intent on going back after her mat leave. It doesn't appear that hospitals are getting effected as bad here either as long term care homes are. I attached a few different articles that relate. This is definitely not a new issue in Ontario just exasperated by the vaccine mandate, but yes nurses here are leaving in droves. nurses leaving
www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/canadas-overworked-healthcare-sector-brace-staff-shortages-vaccine-mandates-loom-2021-10-10/globalnews.ca/news/8487144/canada-covid-nursing-shortage-alarm/
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 26, 2022 21:41:52 GMT
Are there as many anti-vaxxers in Canada as in the US? I knew there were some in every country, obviously, but didn't think it was as big of an issue there. I just read an article that said that at our local medical system (which includes a hospital and several clinics) there are 12,000 employees who have been vaccinated. I don't remember the exact number who are on leave due to refusing the vaccine, but I believe it was about 170. They said most of those were not in direct care, and there were no physicians or higher level providers (their words) that refused. A total of 27 nurses refused. I am not saying that those nurses don't matter, obviously every employee makes a difference. But I would hardly call that "leaving in droves" because of not wanting to get vaccinated. I would, however, be interested to know how many health care workers are leaving because of other stresses with Covid, such as long hours, dealing with those who continually spout misinformation and anti-vax rhetoric, etc. This largely depends on where you are in the country. I think on average they are losing about 3-5 % of unvaxxed nurses. Some places though have lost 30% of their staff to the vaccine mandate. I linked an article above. I just know lots of first hand accounts and the situation is very sad / scary on how understaffed they are. There was many shifts my sister was responsible for 60 LTC patients on a day shift because they were so short staffed. Quick math that would work out to less than 10 minutes each patient would get with nurse care...to feed/bathe/medicate... I believe the ratio is supposed to be 1 to 12 or 1 to 15 (not positive on this). Average they were 1:30 daily without the vaccine mandate. Like I said my sister has no intent on going back after her mat leave. It doesn't appear that hospitals are getting effected as bad here either as long term care homes are. I attached a few different articles that relate. This is definitely not a new issue in Ontario just exasperated by the vaccine mandate, but yes nurses here are leaving in droves. nurses leaving
www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/canadas-overworked-healthcare-sector-brace-staff-shortages-vaccine-mandates-loom-2021-10-10/globalnews.ca/news/8487144/canada-covid-nursing-shortage-alarm/ That was one long term care facility that lost 30% of its workers and it seems to be an outlier. Compliance is lower in long term care facilities vs hospitals, but I really think looking at all of the other numbers, that one long term care facility is an exception. I'm not sure if this holds true for Canada, but in the US, the predicted number of staff leaving due to mandates is always significantly higher than reality. When push comes to shove in the US and faced with losing their job, the overwhelming majority of health care workers get vaccinated.
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Jan 26, 2022 22:00:46 GMT
This largely depends on where you are in the country. I think on average they are losing about 3-5 % of unvaxxed nurses. Some places though have lost 30% of their staff to the vaccine mandate. I linked an article above. I just know lots of first hand accounts and the situation is very sad / scary on how understaffed they are. There was many shifts my sister was responsible for 60 LTC patients on a day shift because they were so short staffed. Quick math that would work out to less than 10 minutes each patient would get with nurse care...to feed/bathe/medicate... I believe the ratio is supposed to be 1 to 12 or 1 to 15 (not positive on this). Average they were 1:30 daily without the vaccine mandate. Like I said my sister has no intent on going back after her mat leave. It doesn't appear that hospitals are getting effected as bad here either as long term care homes are. I attached a few different articles that relate. This is definitely not a new issue in Ontario just exasperated by the vaccine mandate, but yes nurses here are leaving in droves. nurses leaving
www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/canadas-overworked-healthcare-sector-brace-staff-shortages-vaccine-mandates-loom-2021-10-10/globalnews.ca/news/8487144/canada-covid-nursing-shortage-alarm/ That was one long term care facility that lost 30% of its workers and it seems to be an outlier. Compliance is lower in long term care facilities vs hospitals, but I really think looking at all of the other numbers, that one long term care facility is an exception. I'm not sure if this holds true for Canada, but in the US, the predicted number of staff leaving due to mandates is always significantly higher than reality. When push comes to shove in the US and faced with losing their job, the overwhelming majority of health care workers get vaccinated. Sadly it is not an outlier. This news article was written about ones in Toronto (southern ontario) - which as a city is very liberal and has a very high vaccination rate so it is very shocking to me that there is any hospitals or long term care facilities that would lose that much of its staff over the vaccine mandate. As you move up north in Ontario it become less liberal so this mandate is having a larger effect.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 26, 2022 22:29:32 GMT
That was one long term care facility that lost 30% of its workers and it seems to be an outlier. Compliance is lower in long term care facilities vs hospitals, but I really think looking at all of the other numbers, that one long term care facility is an exception. I'm not sure if this holds true for Canada, but in the US, the predicted number of staff leaving due to mandates is always significantly higher than reality. When push comes to shove in the US and faced with losing their job, the overwhelming majority of health care workers get vaccinated. Sadly it is not an outlier. This news article was written about ones in Toronto (southern ontario) - which as a city is very liberal and has a very high vaccination rate so it is very shocking to me that there is any hospitals or long term care facilities that would lose that much of its staff over the vaccine mandate. As you move up north in Ontario it become less liberal so this mandate is having a larger effect. Do you have any links to articles about health care workers in Northern Ontario leaving because of mandates? These were the statistics from the Reuters article. With the exception of the one long term care facility, workers are not leaving at high rates - only 3% in and around Toronto and Vancouver or 11% for Northern BC. www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/canadas-overworked-healthcare-sector-brace-staff-shortages-vaccine-mandates-loom-2021-10-10/Layoffs have are started to hit, with one hospital in southern Ontario last week dumping 57 employees, representing 2.5% of staff, after its vaccine mandate came into effect. A long-term care home in Toronto put 36% of its staff on unpaid leave after they refused to get vaccinated, the Canadian Broadcasting Corp reported.
Some 97% of long-term care staff in Vancouver and the surrounding areas have at least one dose as of Oct. 6, the province said. But northern B.C. has only 89% of staff with at least one dose, although the data was still being updated.
Some 97% of all staff in University Health Network, which operates medical facilities in and around Toronto, Ontario, has been vaccinated ahead of Oct. 22, with efforts underway to find backup for the remaining.
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Post by shescrafty on Jan 27, 2022 0:33:43 GMT
I have more freedoms now (IMO) I was able to travel without quarantining to Iceland in October. In April I will travel to Belize. This summer we will do another big trip. I couldn’t do them and move freely about the world without quarantining if I hadn’t been vaccinated. We didn’t eat out, go visit indoors with friends, or really do anything before we were vaccinated. I was never so happy to get a shot as I was this vaccine! Check on Belize. Their travel restrictions have been somewhat in flux. 6 of us are going and we have been checking the regulations. We have to buy travel insurance and make sure the places we are staying are certified “gold standard” for health and safety rules. We are staying at an eco lodge in our own cabana, and then staying in an air BNB for the 3 couples going together. We will tested going and coming back. Our activities will be outdoor activities. We can’t wait!
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