twinsmomfla99
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Jun 26, 2014 13:42:47 GMT
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Apr 28, 2022 1:36:21 GMT
Systemic changes.
You don't need to be tougher on crime. You need to change the way you think about crime. Have a look at statistics of how countries handle their criminals. There is a reason certain countries have a very low recidivism rate, and others don't.
You need a deterrent to people committing crimes. They need to think twice about what the consequences could be. Systemic changes so far have not worked. “Deterrence” doesn’t work against criminals because criminals don’t expect to be caught or they are acting in the moment and don’t have time to think about consequences. This is the reason that capital punishment doesn’t reduce murder rates. The difference between life in prison and a death sentence is irrelevant if you think you are not going to be caught. Consequences only act as a deterrent to people who are otherwise inclined to follow the law and have the ability to exercise good judgement or to weigh the pros/cons of a course of action. Criminals generally exhibit none of these characteristics. And for the record, this logic has been around for 35+ years as it was discussed in my criminal law classes in the mid-80s. So don’t start blaming BLM or defund the police (the virtually nonexistent Republican bogeyman) for criminals not being afraid of consequences. ETA. deathpenalty.procon.org/questions/does-the-death-penalty-deter-crime/
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Post by busy on Apr 28, 2022 1:57:33 GMT
Based on the number of gun deaths per capita in 2019 alone, states with the most gun violence are: Alaska - 24.4 Mississippi - 24.2 Wyoming - 22.3 New Mexico 22.3 Alabama - 22.2 Louisiana - 22.1 Missouri - 20.6 South Carolina - 19.9 Arkansas - 19.3 Montana - 19.3 worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-violence-by-stateAnd this… These states tends to have high gun ownership rates. Montana has the highest with 66.3%, followed by Wyoming with 66.2%, and Alaska with 64.5%. I’m just SHOCKED that more guns = more deaths by guns!! 🫠
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 28, 2022 2:22:40 GMT
Based on the number of gun deaths per capita in 2019 alone, states with the most gun violence are: Alaska - 24.4 Mississippi - 24.2 Wyoming - 22.3 New Mexico 22.3 Alabama - 22.2 Louisiana - 22.1 Missouri - 20.6 South Carolina - 19.9 Arkansas - 19.3 Montana - 19.3 worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-violence-by-stateAmazing.. ... all those really heavy/lawless 'blue' states .. NOT!!
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Post by onelasttime on Apr 28, 2022 3:41:28 GMT
cindosha changed the topic of this thread from gun violence to crime in general in her first post on this thread. This thread was intended to point out once again this country has a gun problem. Note “gun related” in the title. cindosha if you want to talk about crime in general then may I suggest you start your own thread about crime in general. What the right is doing is focusing in on the smash & grabs that have been happening in cities like San Francisco while ignoring the damage guns are doing to this country. Fun facts… - It is estimated there are 393M guns in civilian hands. 1/3 Americans acknowledge they own guns. Which would mean 1/3 of the population of 320,000,000+ own 393M guns between them.
- The average number of guns stolen from law abiding responsible gun owners is around 380,000 a year.
- The newest favorite target for gun thieves are cars parked on streets where law abiding responsible gun owners have no problem leaving their guns.
- The majority of these guns are never recovered and often end up used in a violent crime.
- 43% of gang members buy their guns on the black market which is stocked from guns stolen from law abiding responsible gun owners.
- Another source gang members to purchase guns are straw purchases. Someone will legally buy a gun and then sell it to someone who can’t. That sounds familiar.
- This article from Gun Violence Archives list the mass shooting that have happened since January 1 of this year. It’s a long list and it’s only April.
- Gun Violence Archives
There are too many guns in the hands of the wrong people and the red states are making it easier for these people to get guns. We have become a society that if you get mad at people you shoot them. Doesn’t matter if it’s one person or multiple people, you shoot them.
There definitely are too many guns in the hands of the wrong people and the blue states are not punishing the criminals who commit the crimes that they commit by stealing the guns from the responsible gun owners. Criminals are emboldened to shoot people they get mad at because they aren’t punished for shooting them. How can you not see the logic in that? Again, my WHOLE POINT and my response to your original post is that criminals are not punished for their crimes and if and when they are, THAT is when something will be done about it. I believe that was what you were wondering. Defund the police, low or no bail, letting repeat offenders out of jail, and emboldened criminals all contribute to those criminals not giving two shits about the crimes they commit. THAT is what needs to be changed. 1. It is not true that when a burglar robs a house and is caught that blue states are not punishing the criminals. In CA there is a prison sentence from 2-6 years. 2. Gun owners are not responsible if there guns can be stolen either from their homes or their cars. You missed my sarcasm. 3. Many of those who are mass shooters end up killing themselves as well. Especially if they are cornered by the police. Same goes with domestic violence shootings. The shooter kills other family members and often themselves as well. And many of these individuals buy the guns legally. So it’s kind of hard to “punish” them. 4. We have people buying guns for no reason other then to have them and they leave them around and kids find them and end up killing themselves or someone else. I saw a blurb that more kids die from guns then any disease or accident. 5. A little over 100 M people in this country own a little less then 400M guns?Why? Why do they need so many? 6. Not all guns manufactured belong on our streets. AR-15 or guns similar guns should not be on our streets. After Sandy Hook some British writer made a comment the United States was not at war with terrorism but at war with itself. He was not wrong. 7. Mass shootings and gun violence existed long before that ridiculous idea to defund the police. And from what I understand the cities that were stupid enough to move some of the police budget elsewhere moved most if not all back. 8. Too many gun owners let their anger get the better of them to the point they use their guns to “win/settle the argument “. Many are responsible law abiding gun owners. I’m being sarcastic again. We have a gun problem in this country and any solution to try and resolve it will be complex. And unpopular with the entitled.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 28, 2022 3:50:03 GMT
www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/Which states have the highest and lowest gun death rates in the U.S.? A map showing that U.S. gun death rates varied widely by state in 2020 The rate of gun fatalities varies widely from state to state. In 2020, the states with the highest rates of gun-related deaths – counting murders, suicides and all other categories tracked by the CDC – included Mississippi (28.6 per 100,000 people), Louisiana (26.3), Wyoming (25.9), Missouri (23.9) and Alabama (23.6). The states with the lowest rates included New York (5.3), Rhode Island (5.1), New Jersey (5.0), Massachusetts (3.7) and Hawaii (3.4). How does the gun death rate in the U.S. compare with other countries? The gun death rate in the U.S. is much higher than in most other nations, particularly developed nations. But it is still far below the rates in several Latin American countries, according to a 2018 study of 195 countries and territories by researchers at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington. The U.S. gun death rate was 10.6 per 100,000 people in 2016, the most recent year in the study, which used a somewhat different methodology from the CDC. That was far higher than in countries such as Canada (2.1 per 100,000) and Australia (1.0), as well as European nations such as France (2.7), Germany (0.9) and Spain (0.6). But the rate in the U.S. was much lower than in El Salvador (39.2 per 100,000 people), Venezuela (38.7), Guatemala (32.3), Colombia (25.9) and Honduras (22.5), the study found. Overall, the U.S. ranked 20th in its gun fatality rate that year.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 28, 2022 3:51:58 GMT
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Post by rainangel on Apr 28, 2022 5:44:14 GMT
Strange how it has worked in other countries, but not in yours though. Once again proving that USA is in dire need of major systemic change. That's my point exactly, it doesn't work. Nothing they have been doing for decades has decreased crime in major cities (and not just major cities) in this country. No, that's MY point. The changes that has been tried has not had an effect, because they don't work. Being tougher on crime does not work.
Systemic changes. Top down. Bottom up.
Start with locking up corrupt white collar criminals who are astonishingly enough allowed to be part of the decision-making. The decision-making that ensures that poverty persists because it makes the rich richer.
You are seriously arguing 'We see it working in other countries, but we gave it a go and it doesn't work here'?
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Post by onelasttime on Apr 28, 2022 17:53:43 GMT
People buy guns, they don’t take care of them and they get stolen and this happens…
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 28, 2022 18:52:03 GMT
I could be wrong but didn’t the crime in NYC really go down between the 90’s and now? What did they do there that made a difference?
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Post by onelasttime on May 2, 2022 0:52:28 GMT
Which one would be better?
This? 🤷🏻♀️
Or this? 🥱
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peasquared
Drama Llama
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Jul 6, 2014 23:59:59 GMT
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Post by peasquared on May 2, 2022 1:06:42 GMT
Guns are the number #1 cause of deaths of teenagers now. That makes me literally sick. And yet, red state after red state thinks it's A-ok to remove all qualifications to own a gun. Don't need a permit, don't need gun safety training. Conceal and carry, sure, no problem, you don't need a permit. Guns allowed everywhere and anywhere, it seems. I was in a restaurant last week and a guy had a holster on his belt with a pistol in it. Sitting next to him was a little boy, probably 3 - 4 years old, who kept fiddling with the handle. What if.... Also, how many good guys with a gun have actually stopped a bad guy with a gun? That reasoning is a joke.
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Post by zuke on May 2, 2022 10:19:12 GMT
Guns in proper hands might help as well as with background checks. Called responsible gun ownership! The FL governor, DeSantis, just announced that before he leaves office, he will pass a bill that would eliminate background checks for gun use and you won't need any training. ANYONE can carry a gun that wants one. It's already the wild wild west and about to get worse! He'll be running for president. Remember this.
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Post by aj2hall on May 2, 2022 22:57:44 GMT
Possible solutions. They're not simple. And there isn’t a quick, easy, one size fits all solution. Crime is a complex problem that requires complex solutions. through crime mapping focus police in hot spot areas Changing and improving police tactics Community oriented policing Project Safe Neighborhoods More mental health programs Affordable housing Recreation centers more after school programs, after school clubs and sports Summer job programs more substance abuse treatment and programs drug courts Violence interruption programs like Boston's Ceasefire Focused investment in high risk areas - address the problems that lead to crime. Improve the economic health, the environment, the infrastructure and the social environment of neighborhoods. Reducing the proliferation of guns Gunshot detection systems Crime prevention like removing targets from view or making them harder to access, adding street lights monitoring public surveillance cameras Help offenders find secure employment and housing Lead abatement. Sounds crazy but there is research showing a correlation between lead exposure and crime rates. Lead can have neurological impacts on the parts of the brain responsible for executive functioning and aggression control.Raise alcohol taxes. There's evidence that raising the cost of alcohol decreases violence. Multidimensional foster care - remove delinquent children and place them with foster families for 6-7 months Preschool for all children Target gangs & gang deterrence www.justice.gov/dag/page/file/1397921/downloadwww.brookings.edu/research/want-to-reduce-violence-invest-in-place/www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/briefing/crime-solutions-ukraine-war-books.htmlDepending on where you live in the country or your socio-economic status, this might have seemed like a crazy idea. But lead poisoning is a very real problem for some communities. www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/02/1094683632/lead-poisoning-midwestThough cases have fallen precipitously since the mid-20th century, lead is a persistent poison that impacts thousands of families each year, particularly low-income communities and families of color.
Eradicating it has been a decades-long battle.
Lead-poisoned children may have trouble with language processing, memory, attention and impulsivity, said Dr. Justina Yohannan, a licensed psychologist based in Atlanta. Many require special education services in school.
"A lot of times people think that the only way kids are exposed is just by eating and ingesting lead-based paint," Holmes said. "But that's not always the case. The main route of exposure a lot of times is inhalation, and it's the dust."
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Post by onelasttime on May 14, 2022 16:29:29 GMT
USA USA USA USA USA USA USA
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 14, 2022 16:38:43 GMT
Does anyone besides the peas care?
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Post by onelasttime on May 14, 2022 17:28:54 GMT
Does anyone besides the peas care? Nope.
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Post by onelasttime on May 14, 2022 19:53:13 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on May 14, 2022 20:27:25 GMT
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Post by elaine on May 14, 2022 20:34:30 GMT
But, hey, many "don't legislate sensible gun control" fanatics also claim to be "pro-life." Which is the saddest, most pathetic, and infuriating joke about where we are as a country right now.
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michellegb
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Location: New England and loving it!
Jun 26, 2014 0:04:59 GMT
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Post by michellegb on May 14, 2022 21:09:27 GMT
Words do not exist to explain how much I despise what this country is becoming and how any meaningful change is impossible because of the crooked, ignorant, idiots that we have elected. We are doomed.
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Post by onelasttime on May 14, 2022 21:24:19 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on May 14, 2022 21:25:41 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on May 15, 2022 20:19:42 GMT
And yet another one. Isn’t this the third one this weekend?
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Post by onelasttime on May 15, 2022 21:16:19 GMT
#4 this weekend…
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 15, 2022 21:30:28 GMT
Just announced on CNN.
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Post by onelasttime on May 15, 2022 21:46:37 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 15, 2022 22:02:14 GMT
One deceased, 4 critical. One in custody.
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Post by onelasttime on May 15, 2022 22:34:54 GMT
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Post by Merge on May 15, 2022 23:13:51 GMT
We just added a few more in Houston. This is why the rest of the developed world looks at us in horror.
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Post by onelasttime on May 15, 2022 23:44:53 GMT
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