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Post by onelasttime on Apr 26, 2022 20:17:22 GMT
I wonder when we are finally going to do something about this.
Can you imagine growing up in a country where itās not even save for kids to play little league baseball without the possibility two parties are going to start shooting at each other?
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Post by cindosha on Apr 26, 2022 21:48:59 GMT
Too bad the left was so gung ho about defund the police. And the left is gung ho about bail reform. And the left is gung ho about letting prisoners out of jail. And repeat offenders are let off with a slap on the hand over and over and over and over again.
I wonder when criminals will think twice about committing a crime if there are hard, swift and lasting consequences to their actions!!!
That is the problem.
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Post by busy on Apr 26, 2022 21:59:02 GMT
You could try educating yourself about mass incarceration, the causes of recidivism in the US and why our criminal justice outcomes are so much worse than other similar countries cindosha because you are way off base. |
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Post by huskergal on Apr 26, 2022 22:08:03 GMT
Too bad the left was so gung ho about defund the police. And the left is gung ho about bail reform. And the left is gung ho about letting prisoners out of jail. And repeat offenders are let off with a slap on the hand over and over and over and over again. I wonder when criminals will think twice about committing a crime if there are hard, swift and lasting consequences to their actions!!! That is the problem. That is simply the most uneducated comment I have read here. |
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Post by zella on Apr 26, 2022 22:10:12 GMT
I'm amazed that the adults weren't yelling "get down" at the kids. The voices I heard eventually yelling that appeared to be other kids. Also surprised not to see adults run onto the field to protect their kids; I think that would be my first thought. I might have thought the first couple were fireworks, but then I quickly realized that no, they were gunshots, and I've rarely heard that sound thank goodness.
And busy, oh my god yes. You are so right. Our system is fucked up beyond belief, top to bottom.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 26, 2022 22:41:28 GMT
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Post by cindosha on Apr 26, 2022 22:46:40 GMT
You could try educating yourself about mass incarceration, the causes of recidivism in the US and why our criminal justice outcomes are so much worse than other similar countries cindosha because you are way off base. If you donāt think that anyone of those reasons isnāt logical then there is no point on trying to explain it to you. Mass incarcerations would go down if more criminals were worried about the consequences of their actions and thought twice before they committed their crimes. Then there wouldnāt be so many people in jail. I have no sympathy for criminals. |
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Post by cindosha on Apr 26, 2022 22:50:31 GMT
Try using simple logic instead of all of your ridiculous articles. |
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Post by cindosha on Apr 26, 2022 22:50:42 GMT
Try using simple logic instead of all of your ridiculous articles. |
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Post by busy on Apr 26, 2022 22:59:43 GMT
Try using simple logic instead of all of your ridiculous articles. Yeah, fuck experts and actual research on these subjects. Instead go with your infallible opinions. Brilliant. |
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Post by cindosha on Apr 26, 2022 23:03:07 GMT
Try using simple logic instead of all of your ridiculous articles. Yeah, fuck experts and actual research on these subjects. Instead go with your infallible opinions. Brilliant. The so called experts obviously arenāt doing their job or getting it even close to right, because itās getting worse and worse and worse. Maybe they should try logic. |
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 26, 2022 23:09:02 GMT
You could try educating yourself about mass incarceration, the causes of recidivism in the US and why our criminal justice outcomes are so much worse than other similar countries cindosha because you are way off base. If you donāt think that anyone of those reasons isnāt logical then there is no point on trying to explain it to you. Mass incarcerations would go down if more criminals were worried about the consequences of their actions and thought twice before they committed their crimes. Then there wouldnāt be so many people in jail. I have no sympathy for criminals. There is lots of solid evidence that longer prison terms are not a deterrent. But why bother with actual facts and evidence? We should all just rely on your faultless logic. You're a lost cause, but in case anyone else is reading and inclined to think like you or watch Fox News www.bbc.com/future/article/20180514-do-long-prison-sentences-deter-crimewww.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/crime-and-punishment/201804/why-punishment-doesnt-reduce-crimewww.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/247350.pdf |
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Post by Skellinton on Apr 26, 2022 23:09:15 GMT
My God, that was horrifying to watch. Did I accurately count over 40 shots?
And based on the responses I can see I am super glad the ignore function is working on my iPad.
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Post by pinklady on Apr 26, 2022 23:53:52 GMT
Itās not an unborn clump of cells so who give a fuck.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 27, 2022 0:13:44 GMT
Guns in proper hands might help as well as with background checks. Called responsible gun ownership!
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Post by cindosha on Apr 27, 2022 0:17:52 GMT
Lets hear your deterrent/solution then. |
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Post by cindosha on Apr 27, 2022 0:27:09 GMT
Guns in proper hands might help as well as with background checks. Called responsible gun ownership! Guns in proper hands with background checks arenāt the ones committing the crimes. Responsible gun owners donāt generally commit the crimes. Criminals do. |
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Post by chances on Apr 27, 2022 0:40:29 GMT
I'm amazed that the adults weren't yelling "get down" at the kids. The voices I heard eventually yelling that appeared to be other kids. Unfortunately, the kids probably have more active shooter training than their parents. Standard practice just like fire drills. |
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 27, 2022 1:06:18 GMT
Possible solutions. They're not simple. And there isnāt a quick, easy, one size fits all solution. Crime is a complex problem that requires complex solutions. through crime mapping focus police in hot spot areas Changing and improving police tactics Community oriented policing Project Safe Neighborhoods More mental health programs Affordable housing Recreation centers more after school programs, after school clubs and sports Summer job programs more substance abuse treatment and programs drug courts Violence interruption programs like Boston's Ceasefire Focused investment in high risk areas - address the problems that lead to crime. Improve the economic health, the environment, the infrastructure and the social environment of neighborhoods. Reducing the proliferation of guns Gunshot detection systems Crime prevention like removing targets from view or making them harder to access, adding street lights monitoring public surveillance cameras Help offenders find secure employment and housing Lead abatement. Sounds crazy but there is research showing a correlation between lead exposure and crime rates. Lead can have neurological impacts on the parts of the brain responsible for executive functioning and aggression control. Raise alcohol taxes. There's evidence that raising the cost of alcohol decreases violence. Multidimensional foster care - remove delinquent children and place them with foster families for 6-7 months Preschool for all children Target gangs & gang deterrence www.justice.gov/dag/page/file/1397921/downloadwww.brookings.edu/research/want-to-reduce-violence-invest-in-place/www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/briefing/crime-solutions-ukraine-war-books.html |
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Post by rainangel on Apr 27, 2022 12:13:46 GMT
I can't even imagine raising children in such a place where this is happening. That is absolutely terrifying. With mass shootings aswell. I don't understand how you can ever relax living your daily life under this threat.
And someone here thinks MORE punishment is the answer? How uninformed.
I live in a country where only licensed hunting weapons are allowed to the general public. We also have one of the lowest recidivism rates of imprisonment at 20%. The US has over 75%.
We focus on rehabilitation in our prison system,not punishment. The numbers speak for themselves. How utterly ignorant it is to believe that punishing people harder will make them less criminal. It boggles my mind how little this pea obviously knows about the systemic reasons for criminality, education, poverty etc that needs to be taken into account when discussing reasons for crime. And then on top of that scream about their rights about owning guns?
I have no words.
I'm sorry peas, but peas like the one commenting what I am referencing is the reason every other country in the world thinks USA is the most fucked up place in the world. Thankfully I know most of you are compassionate people with reasoning skills.
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Post by rainangel on Apr 27, 2022 12:23:00 GMT
I wonder when criminals will think twice about committing a crime if there are hard, swift and lasting consequences to their actions!!! When they are given affordable access to education, jobs with livable wages, affordable health care, affordable housing. When there is a realistic way for them to end cycles of poverty, not be discriminated against and do not have to fear police killing them. To sum it up: when they from birth are give a fair chance to make a proper life for themselves without committing crime.
How's that for a start?
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Post by gar on Apr 27, 2022 12:58:47 GMT
Can you imagine growing up in a country where itās not even save for kids to play little league baseball without the possibility two parties are going to start shooting at each other? Yes I can. And so can the vast majority of the world thankfully. |
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Post by cindosha on Apr 27, 2022 13:09:19 GMT
I wonder when criminals will think twice about committing a crime if there are hard, swift and lasting consequences to their actions!!! When they are given affordable access to education, jobs with livable wages, affordable health care, affordable housing. When there is a realistic way for them to end cycles of poverty, not be discriminated against and do not have to fear police killing them. To sum it up: when they from birth are give a fair chance to make a proper life for themselves without committing crime.
How's that for a start?
How do you supposed that can be done? millions have risen out of poverty with all of the help available to them and many millions have not. Education is free K-12. School of choice is available almost everywhere. I realize things are shitty for most low income people. That does not give them free reign to live their lives terrorizing others and committing crimes willy-nilly. There needs to be consequences to their actions and we need to be tougher on crime. |
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Post by cindosha on Apr 27, 2022 13:19:35 GMT
Possible solutions. They're not simple. And there isnāt a quick, easy, one size fits all solution. Crime is a complex problem that requires complex solutions. through crime mapping focus police in hot spot areas Changing and improving police tactics Community oriented policing Project Safe Neighborhoods More mental health programs Affordable housing Recreation centers more after school programs, after school clubs and sports Summer job programs more substance abuse treatment and programs drug courts Violence interruption programs like Boston's Ceasefire Focused investment in high risk areas - address the problems that lead to crime. Improve the economic health, the environment, the infrastructure and the social environment of neighborhoods. Reducing the proliferation of guns Gunshot detection systems Crime prevention like removing targets from view or making them harder to access, adding street lights monitoring public surveillance cameras Help offenders find secure employment and housing Lead abatement. Sounds crazy but there is research showing a correlation between lead exposure and crime rates. Lead can have neurological impacts on the parts of the brain responsible for executive functioning and aggression control. Raise alcohol taxes. There's evidence that raising the cost of alcohol decreases violence. Multidimensional foster care - remove delinquent children and place them with foster families for 6-7 months Preschool for all children Target gangs & gang deterrence www.justice.gov/dag/page/file/1397921/downloadwww.brookings.edu/research/want-to-reduce-violence-invest-in-place/www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/briefing/crime-solutions-ukraine-war-books.htmlI am going to assume most of those measures have been talked about, tried or tried and failed. It doesn't seem to have deterred crime. |
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Post by rainangel on Apr 27, 2022 13:28:08 GMT
When they are given affordable access to education, jobs with livable wages, affordable health care, affordable housing. When there is a realistic way for them to end cycles of poverty, not be discriminated against and do not have to fear police killing them. To sum it up: when they from birth are give a fair chance to make a proper life for themselves without committing crime.
How's that for a start?
How do you supposed that can be done? millions have risen out of poverty with all of the help available to them and many millions have not. Education is free K-12. School of choice is available almost everywhere. I realize things are shitty for most low income people. That does not give them free reign to live their lives terrorizing others and committing crimes willy-nilly. There needs to be consequences to their actions and we need to be tougher on crime. Systemic changes.
You don't need to be tougher on crime. You need to change the way you think about crime. Have a look at statistics of how countries handle their criminals. There is a reason certain countries have a very low recidivism rate, and others don't.
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Post by cindosha on Apr 27, 2022 14:36:20 GMT
How do you supposed that can be done? millions have risen out of poverty with all of the help available to them and many millions have not. Education is free K-12. School of choice is available almost everywhere. I realize things are shitty for most low income people. That does not give them free reign to live their lives terrorizing others and committing crimes willy-nilly. There needs to be consequences to their actions and we need to be tougher on crime. Systemic changes.
You don't need to be tougher on crime. You need to change the way you think about crime. Have a look at statistics of how countries handle their criminals. There is a reason certain countries have a very low recidivism rate, and others don't.
You need a deterrent to people committing crimes. They need to think twice about what the consequences could be. Systemic changes so far have not worked. |
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 27, 2022 15:04:36 GMT
Systemic changes.
You don't need to be tougher on crime. You need to change the way you think about crime. Have a look at statistics of how countries handle their criminals. There is a reason certain countries have a very low recidivism rate, and others don't.
You need a deterrent to people committing crimes. They need to think twice about what the consequences could be. Systemic changes so far have not worked. No, deterrence does not work. I donāt care about your logic. Evidence, facts and studies show deterrence does not work. Maybe if lots of people are telling you that your logic is flawed, thereās something to that. No, there has not been systematic change in this country. Millions of Americans do not have the benefit of generational wealth. Millions of Americans canāt afford to go to college. Millions of Americans work hard but donāt earn a living wage. Millions of Americans canāt afford housing. Millions of Americans canāt afford health care. Millions of Americans are stuck in an unbreakable cycle of poverty. And the wealth gap is only widening. The top 10% gained more wealth over the last 2 years while the bottom 30% are worse off. Free K-12 education is not the solution to crime and will not prevent crime when there are massive disparities between low income schools and areas with significantly more funding. School choice is not available everywhere and is not the solution. There will always be significant disparities as long as we primarily fund schools through property taxes. Your premise that millions have risen out of poverty, everyone can just pull themselves up by the bootstrap is really flawed and uniformed. And no, most of those changes have not been tried on a large scale. We do not have affordable housing, we do not have preschool for everyone etc. We do not have enough mental health resources, drug treatment etc. Lead is still a problem, just look at the recent disaster in Flint, Michigan. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 27, 2022 15:15:09 GMT
Systemic changes.
You don't need to be tougher on crime. You need to change the way you think about crime. Have a look at statistics of how countries handle their criminals. There is a reason certain countries have a very low recidivism rate, and others don't.
You need a deterrent to people committing crimes. They need to think twice about what the consequences could be. Systemic changes so far have not worked. Consequences donāt matter when people feel like they have nothing to lose to begin with. |
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Post by cindosha on Apr 27, 2022 15:29:32 GMT
You need a deterrent to people committing crimes. They need to think twice about what the consequences could be. Systemic changes so far have not worked. No, deterrence does not work. I donāt care about your logic. Evidence, facts and studies show deterrence does not work. No, there has not been systematic change in this country. Free K-12 education is not the solution to crime and will not prevent crime when there are massive disparities between low income schools and areas with significantly more funding. School choice is not available everywhere and is not the solution. There will always be significant disparities as long as we primarily fund schools through property taxes. Your premise that millions have risen out of poverty, everyone can just pull themselves up by the bootstrap is really flawed and uniformed. And no, most of those changes have not been tried on a large scale. We do not have affordable housing, we do not have preschool for everyone etc. We do not have enough mental health resources, drug treatment etc. Lead is still a problem, just look at the recent disaster in Flint, Michigan. You probably should read my response to rainangels post again. i never said everyone can pull themselves up by their boot straps. you misread and/or changed what I said. I said that millions have risen out of poverty and millions have not, based on the resources they have available to them including free education. I realize that some people ARE able to do that and most are NOT ABLE to rise out of it. Your statement that there will always be disparities in education based on location is something that has always been true and so far, nothing that has been talked about, tried or implemented has worked. How would you fund the schools if not for property taxes? These issues have been on the front burner for decades and so far, nobody has been able to address them in a way that has worked, no matter what state or city, so there has to be a different solution. Talking points are just that, talking points. There will always be poor, middle class and rich in a country. That's just a fact of life. There is has never been a time where the wealth has been spread around. The rich get richer and even if there is philanthropy on their part, it is largely misappropriated and used to pad the pockets of people who run the organizations, just look at the BLM movement and that disaster right now. Criminals, and I am strictly referring to criminals, not just the poor, feel emboldened to commit crimes nowadays because there is no threat of no bail, conviction, fines or jail time. We see it everyday on the news, groups of criminals walking into stores and taking whatever they want out of the store with no fear of anyone saying anything to them or arresting them. Criminals beating random people on the street, pushing them in front of trains, breaking into peoples homes or stealing their cars, etc....It's sickening. And you should be very afraid of how emboldened they are. I know I am!!! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 27, 2022 15:41:54 GMT
School of choice is available almost everywhere.
Only if you can afford it!
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