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Post by bluesafyre on Jun 1, 2022 20:08:09 GMT
"I'm sad I lost this case. But I am sadder still that I seem to have lost a right I thought I had as an American -- to speak freely and openly."
It seems to me that she did speak freely and openly. It's just that it ended up showing she was lying.
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Post by CardBoxer on Jun 1, 2022 20:10:15 GMT
I assume she’ll be appealing. The instagrammers are saying she’s already lined up an interview with one of the big networks. I think she needs to let the whole thing go. But I know she won’t. It’s very common to appeal to reach a settlement agreement between parties. No jury.
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Post by mom on Jun 1, 2022 20:11:31 GMT
"I'm sad I lost this case. But I am sadder still that I seem to have lost a right I thought I had as an American -- to speak freely and openly." It seems to me that she did speak freely and openly. It's just that it ended up showing she was lying. My thought when I heard that was you can still speak freely and openly. You also have to face consequences for the crap you said that was a lie.
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Post by CardBoxer on Jun 1, 2022 20:16:17 GMT
The winners are not clear. Maybe they both won? I know civil cases are so different from criminal. I guess I thought it would be a clear cut win or lose. I'm happy for Johnny but not sure how much of his previous stardom in movies he will regain. I would love to see him pursue his music further. He has a fantastic voice. He won overwhelmingly. And it’s even more impressive because defamation if you’re a public figure is tough to win. The only “point” in her favor was his lawyer went too far in a statement he made - and no punitive damages were awarded to her, just low compensatory damages.
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Post by papersilly on Jun 1, 2022 20:16:55 GMT
"I'm sad I lost this case. But I am sadder still that I seem to have lost a right I thought I had as an American -- to speak freely and openly."It seems to me that she did speak freely and openly. It's just that it ended up showing she was lying. what AH is missing is that no one was questioning her right "to speak freely and openly". it's all of our right. but words have consequences. you can speak but if you lie or defame, you can be liable for what you say. and that is why she now owes him $10.35 million. she's lucky the punitive damages were capped.
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Post by quinlove on Jun 1, 2022 20:19:34 GMT
I assume she’ll be appealing. The instagrammers are saying she’s already lined up an interview with one of the big networks. As much as I have been invested in this trial - I will not be watching anything that she does going forward. She sickens me. And, as much as I was riveted by JD in court, I’ve never even watched one of his movies. That is subject to change soon. I was unable to record any of it as I could only watch it on my over the air tv. Or, I’d be watching him testify over and over. Insert swoon here. 😊
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Post by librarylady on Jun 1, 2022 20:37:07 GMT
Someone needs to explain to her what freedom of speech means--It means that the government will not punish you for what you say.
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Post by Skellinton on Jun 1, 2022 21:05:02 GMT
I assume she’ll be appealing. The instagrammers are saying she’s already lined up an interview with one of the big networks. As much as I have been invested in this trial - I will not be watching anything that she does going forward. She sickens me. And, as much as I was riveted by JD in court, I’ve never even watched one of his movies. That is subject to change soon. I was unable to record any of it as I could only watch it on my over the air tv. Or, I’d be watching him testify over and over. Insert swoon here. 😊 Edward Scissorhands is one of the greatest movies ever made. Follow that with Gilbert Grape and Benny and Joon. He is a fantastic actor. Finding Neverland was great too. If you want swoon watch 21 Jumpstreet. I am glad the verdict is what it is. I also hope he can and will get the help he needs. Al
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Post by finsup on Jun 1, 2022 21:06:15 GMT
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Post by Sarah*H on Jun 1, 2022 21:29:58 GMT
I am frustrated with the number of prominent people decrying the verdict saying it was obvious that she was abused and how terrible this is for victims. She didn't have any actual evidence and the few photographs she submitted were torn apart by an expert as being manipulated. She never countered that testimony except to deny it. She was caught in multiple lies over and over. And she was simply not a credible witness. It IS actually possible for someone to lie about being abused and that's what this jury determined happened. This is the same kind of frustration I feel about TERFS = feminists like JK Rowling who are so convicted that they are standing up for "women" but have ability to conceive of anything outside their narrow definition of what it means to be a feminist. Amber is a woman who said she was abused, therefore, she was abused, despite all evidence to the contrary. It's nonsensical.
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Post by CardBoxer on Jun 1, 2022 21:30:27 GMT
Someone needs to explain to her what freedom of speech means--It means that the government will not punish you for what you say.
Oh say it! I also think that’s misunderstood by millions, which means it probably wasn’t taught or explained very well. Just my take.
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Post by hop2 on Jun 1, 2022 21:49:18 GMT
"I'm sad I lost this case. But I am sadder still that I seem to have lost a right I thought I had as an American -- to speak freely and openly." It seems to me that she did speak freely and openly. It's just that it ended up showing she was lying. My thought when I heard that was you can still speak freely and openly. You also have to face consequences for the crap you said that was a lie. Exactly that
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Post by kimi on Jun 1, 2022 22:13:12 GMT
As much as I have been invested in this trial - I will not be watching anything that she does going forward. She sickens me. And, as much as I was riveted by JD in court, I’ve never even watched one of his movies. That is subject to change soon. I was unable to record any of it as I could only watch it on my over the air tv. Or, I’d be watching him testify over and over. Insert swoon here. 😊 Edward Scissorhands is one of the greatest movies ever made. Follow that with Gilbert Grape and Benny and Joon. He is a fantastic actor. Finding Neverland was great too. If you want swoon watch 21 Jumpstreet. I am glad the verdict is what it is. I also hope he can and will get the help he needs. Al Speaking of 21 Jumpstreet, the "Samsung TV Plus" app (which is free) plays 21 Jumpstreet episodes on channel 1066. Channel 1066 appears to show 21 Jumpstreet 24 hours a day.
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Post by quinlove on Jun 1, 2022 22:22:30 GMT
Thank you. I’m off to see what I can find. I have everything except HBO and Disney. 😊
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jun 1, 2022 22:31:15 GMT
I assume she’ll be appealing. The instagrammers are saying she’s already lined up an interview with one of the big networks. As much as I have been invested in this trial - I will not be watching anything that she does going forward. She sickens me. And, as much as I was riveted by JD in court, I’ve never even watched one of his movies. That is subject to change soon. I was unable to record any of it as I could only watch it on my over the air tv. Or, I’d be watching him testify over and over. Insert swoon here. 😊 Sleepy Hollow. I love that movie. JD is lit so beautifully in that movie.
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Post by jenjie on Jun 1, 2022 22:38:08 GMT
From the article: “there’s a jocular vibe surrounding this case that’s disturbing. These are two human beings talking about one of the darkest parts of their lives, and we’re treating it as entertainment.” And yes I acknowledge that this sounds hand-slappy and yes I’m a hypocrite who is guilty of the same. I can’t say I agree with the entire article, but the piece you quoted? I was thinking that same thing this morning. And yes, even as I’ve gotten drawn into it.
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Post by Skellinton on Jun 1, 2022 23:51:52 GMT
He had a great statement on Instagram today.
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Post by pjaye on Jun 2, 2022 0:25:11 GMT
I didn't see this thread and just posted on the other one. So many thoughts! I think my main one is that I hope Depp gets a wake up call and gets sober - but they are showing him drinking beers in a pub to celebrate, so that doesn't seem likely. All of those recordings were from a few years ago and he seems to still be drinking. If he's keeping up that same level of drugs and alcohol now, he'll be another one in the headlines as "gone too soon". As I said in the other thread, now that the movie studios have seen the extent of his problem, he's going to find it hard to get major roles (especially as he's currently not even sober). The insureers have seen it too, so even if the studio wants to employ him, the insurance is going to be exorbitant. The next thing is those charities that Amber pledged her divorce money to, I hope they didn't have too many plans for that money because they surely aren't going to get it now. Maybe Elon will pay them off for her? I think that aspect definitely went against her in the trail, she said she was never in it for the money - and then she lied about donating it and kept the money. From the article: “there’s a jocular vibe surrounding this case that’s disturbing. These are two human beings talking about one of the darkest parts of their lives, and we’re treating it as entertainment.” That's not true for everyone, I think a lot of us watched it with sadness...I certainly didn't think two people going through all of that is was in any way 'fun' but I suppose there's an element of curiosity as an ordinary person, we hear how much these people get paid and we see them doing all the glamourous things and we think they have this charmed, happy life. In these days of glorifying celebrities it's a reality check of what can really be happening .
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Post by Really Red on Jun 2, 2022 0:30:24 GMT
That's not true for everyone, I think a lot of us watched it with sadness...I certainly didn't think two people going through all of that is was in any way 'fun' but I suppose there's an element of curiosity as an ordinary person, we hear how much these people get paid and we see them doing all the glamourous things and we think they have this charmed, happy life. In these days of glorifying celebrities it's a realty check of what can really be happening . I agree. I thought the whole thing was terribly sad. I was made aware because I read the WaPo, but I didn't follow closely. I kept thinking about Ukraine and people losing their homes and every single thing they know as well as the mass shootings and while I do believe that DV is horrific and people need to be held accountable, all I saw from reading the Post is two very, very disturbed people. I see the interest in what's going on and I understand that. I don't like any part of mocking them or glorifying either one of them.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jun 2, 2022 0:37:58 GMT
She needs to make some money, some how, to pay Johnny $8,350,000. Wonder how long that will take? She also has some pretty hefty legal bills to pay. And she supposedly gave away her 7million dollar divorce settlement too, that she hasn't actually donated yet, just pledged it LOL.
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Post by CardBoxer on Jun 2, 2022 1:25:47 GMT
I didn't see this thread and just posted on the other one. So many thoughts! I think my main one is that I hope Depp gets a wake up call and gets sober - but they are showing him drinking beers in a pub to celebrate, so that doesn't seem likely. All of those recordings were from a few years ago and he seems to still be drinking. If he's keeping up that same level of drugs and alcohol now, he'll be another one in the headlines as "gone too soon". As I said in the other thread, now that the movie studios have seen the extent of his problem, he's going to find it hard to get major roles (especially as he's currently not even sober). The insureers have seen it too, so even if the studio wants to employ him, the insurance is going to be exorbitant. The next thing is those charities that Amber pledged her divorce money to, I hope they didn't have too many plans for that money because they surely aren't going to get it now. Maybe Elon will pay them off for her? I think that aspect definitely went against her in the trail, she said she was never in it for the money - and then she lied about donating it and kept the money. From the article: “there’s a jocular vibe surrounding this case that’s disturbing. These are two human beings talking about one of the darkest parts of their lives, and we’re treating it as entertainment.” That's not true for everyone, I think a lot of us watched it with sadness...I certainly didn't think two people going through all of that is was in any way 'fun' but I suppose there's an element of curiosity as an ordinary person, we hear how much these people get paid and we see them doing all the glamourous things and we think they have this charmed, happy life. In these days of glorifying celebrities it's a reality check of what can really be happening . The entertainment attorney who testified for JD said something like Hollywood will deal with/forgive (?) alcohol and drugs, but there’s a line now for domestic and sexual abuse. It seems that the studios would have known about JD’s alcohol and drugs, as they do for so many actors, yet they kept hiring him. But he had to shed the domestic abuse accusation/rumors. And I agree that the jocular attitude is not everyone’s. Curiosity about famous people is normal, and peoples’ behind the scenes stories can be riveting.
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Post by jenjie on Jun 2, 2022 1:47:31 GMT
I didn't see this thread and just posted on the other one. So many thoughts! I think my main one is that I hope Depp gets a wake up call and gets sober - but they are showing him drinking beers in a pub to celebrate, so that doesn't seem likely. All of those recordings were from a few years ago and he seems to still be drinking. If he's keeping up that same level of drugs and alcohol now, he'll be another one in the headlines as "gone too soon". As I said in the other thread, now that the movie studios have seen the extent of his problem, he's going to find it hard to get major roles (especially as he's currently not even sober). The insureers have seen it too, so even if the studio wants to employ him, the insurance is going to be exorbitant. The next thing is those charities that Amber pledged her divorce money to, I hope they didn't have too many plans for that money because they surely aren't going to get it now. Maybe Elon will pay them off for her? I think that aspect definitely went against her in the trail, she said she was never in it for the money - and then she lied about donating it and kept the money. From the article: “there’s a jocular vibe surrounding this case that’s disturbing. These are two human beings talking about one of the darkest parts of their lives, and we’re treating it as entertainment.” That's not true for everyone, I think a lot of us watched it with sadness...I certainly didn't think two people going through all of that is was in any way 'fun' but I suppose there's an element of curiosity as an ordinary person, we hear how much these people get paid and we see them doing all the glamourous things and we think they have this charmed, happy life. In these days of glorifying celebrities it's a reality check of what can really be happening . I think you’re right. But/and between YouTube and Instagram there are so many clips making a joke out of this trial. People seem to be eating it up. I hope he gets the help he needs.
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Post by CardBoxer on Jun 2, 2022 1:56:27 GMT
I came back repeatedly to thinking AH being so desperate to keep a connection to JD that it didn’t matter how huge a nightmare it could turn into. Negative attention was still attention (the op ed). Obviously I could be wrong.
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Post by papersilly on Jun 2, 2022 3:18:19 GMT
My thoughts:
-JD will ever collect any money from her directly. Maybe he can garnish whatever royalties she gets from her past movies but she'll probably file bankruptcy to discharge her debts.
-Elon won't kick in any more money towards the money she pledged to the charities. I think he's still pissed the embryos weren't destroyed when he sued to have it done.
-the studios always knew JD was a drinker and user. But he brought in the box office so they put up with his antics. When the movies weren't as profitable anymore, it was harder to justify looking past his habits.
-AH won't appeal. She doesn't have the money or balls to go through the humiliation of losing again.
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Post by quinlove on Jun 2, 2022 3:29:31 GMT
My dgd talked me into getting Disney plus ( didn’t take much 😊). She wanted me to watch Pirates first. We’ve been texting during me watching it. He’s so darn cute in this movie. Plus, I wanted Disney to know that people are signing up for it now to watch JD. So, I may ( will ) be busy drooling over my tv, binging JD movies.
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Post by papersilly on Jun 2, 2022 4:36:30 GMT
I came back repeatedly to thinking AH being so desperate to keep a connection to JD that it didn’t matter how huge a nightmare it could turn into. Negative attention was still attention (the op ed). Obviously I could be wrong. I think you hit the nail on the head! I was just saying the same thing to my sister. Like I said in the other thread, she fixated her gaze on him the entire time. It was probably the closest and longest time she's been near to him in years.
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Post by smasonnc on Jun 2, 2022 13:35:57 GMT
She forgot the truthfully part.
I didn't follow this very closely. They both seem like awful people, willing to shame each other in public over what? They both have plenty of money. Now their reputations are shot. She comes off as a money-grubbing lunatic and a liar and he seems like a smug dirtbag. No winners here except their lawyers.
When someone uses the term, "air their dirty laundry," they don't usually mean it literally.
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Post by CardBoxer on Jun 2, 2022 16:25:46 GMT
She forgot the truthfully part. I didn't follow this very closely. They both seem like awful people, willing to shame each other in public over what? They both have plenty of money. Now their reputations are shot. She comes off as a money-grubbing lunatic and a liar and he seems like a smug dirtbag. No winners here except their lawyers. When someone uses the term, "air their dirty laundry," they don't usually mean it literally. His reputation was badly damaged because of her op ed in The Washington Post about domestic abuse she supposedly suffered. That’s all that Depp was fighting. Studios frequently hire actors who drink or do drugs if their work is good enough—aka they bring in top dollar. But they will no longer hire abusers, so his ability to work and reputation was profoundly affected. !00% of the jury believed him and neutral witnesses (police, condo employee, many more), and awarded not only compensatory damages but punitive ones. Some of her responses were jaw dropping. Like insisting she donated $7 million to two charities as part of her divorce agreement with Depp. But she didn’t give them a penny. She spent a long time insisted that pledging money and donating were interchangeable words. Then she said she couldn’t give the money “yet” because Depp sued her. No, he sued her many years after she got the money. So she took the money, got some glory for pledging it to two charities, and didn’t give them a dime. Depp was willing to donate the money himself, but she didn’t want that since he’d get a tax write-off, so he should then add more money to make up for the write-off. Hello? I’m biased; my tendency is to believe women who report abuse. It didn’t take long when watching testimony to hear the lies, or had psychological issues serious enough that she believed her stories after she made them up. It’s taken so long for women who have been abused to be taken seriously, and there’s still much work to do. Heard didn’t help the cause. ETA I’ve never seen a movie either actor was in, though vaguely remember 21 Jump Street after someone posted about it. So not a fan girl.
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Post by CardBoxer on Jun 2, 2022 17:18:53 GMT
She also has some pretty hefty legal bills to pay. And she supposedly gave away her 7million dollar divorce settlement too, that she hasn't actually donated yet, just pledged it LOL. Aka hoped that no one would find out. It was part of the agreement that the money go to two charities. Did you watch the testimony? She reminded me of Alice in Wonderland where Humpty Dumpty says, “When I use a word it means what I choose it to mean.”
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Post by twinks on Jun 2, 2022 19:02:54 GMT
It is being reported that she will appeal because she doesn’t have the $ to pay Depp. If you don’t have the money to pay, how do you get the $ to appeal.
I listen to the “damage” that was done to the real survivors or those suffering from DV coming from the results of this trial and verdict, especially the verdict. Her attorney was saying no one will believe the victims anymore. Personally, I think the “damage” comes from falsely accusing someone and lying about it.
One thing that I did after my divorce was to change the laws. Back then, DV was a couples problem and police rarely responded or responded too late. For example, I had called 911 and he pushed me to the ground, grabbed the phone and hung it up (before cell phones). 45 minutes later, I got a call from dispatch asking if I still needed help. I testified in front of our State Legislators and the laws were changed. Police response, interviewing both the perpetrator and victim separately, and finally separation. It works most of the time. I just wish that it worked in Gabby’s situation.
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