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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 29, 2022 22:41:31 GMT
Let's see who tells us the FOX story.. Fox tries to blame Biden for the assault on Mr Pelosi..(I know, it is long) Opinion piece... FOX News has spent much of the day finding ways to not blame Republicans for right-wing media creating an environment in this country that fuels right-wing violence. As it stands now, a believer in right wing conspiracy theories broke into the home of the Speaker of the House of Representatives, chanting, "Where is Nancy, where is Nancy?" viciously beat her husband, Paul Pelosi, with a hammer, and attempted to tie him up until she arrived back home. Those are the facts as we know them right now, just hours after what some are calling an attempted assassination of an elected official and the person second in line to the presidency. * But Fox News viewers are getting fed a different story. Its own propaganda, right-wing propaganda, had nothing to do with creating the environment of right-wing hate and violence, Fox News would like its viewers to believe, even when their own programming – barely hours after news of the attack broke – appeared to try to justify the attempted murder by labeling it a "wake-up call" for Democrats.In fact, according to Fox News, President Joe Biden is basically to blame for the attack on Paul Pelosi,who today had to undergo brain surgery. Co-hosts on Fox News' "The Five" discussed the Pelosi attack, which is being labeled attempted murder by local police. "So the big question here is whether this is reflective of political violence that's happening in the country, or whether it's reflective of serious mental health issues in the country and violence in general across the country, or some combination of both?" Co-host Lisa "Kennedy" Montgomery decided to blame President Joe Biden. "I think it is a combination of both because I think where we're at, you know, the President promised to bring down the tenor of political discourse in this country," she claimed, which is false. "That hasn't happened." So what did President Biden say, in his inaugural address, that Republicans not only got wrong but immediately feigned outrage over and spent months falsely claiming he had attacked them? "And now, a rise in political extremism, white supremacy, domestic terrorism that we must confront and we will defeat," the just-sworn-in President told America and the world. "To overcome these challenges – to restore the soul and to secure the future of America – requires more than words.It requires that most elusive of things in a democracy: Unity. Unity." Quoting Lincoln, Biden said, "my whole soul is in this: Bringing America together. Uniting our people. And uniting our nation. I ask every American to join me in this cause." He did not say, "I alone can do it." Back to Kennedy. "People are more divided," she observed, not for one moment acknowledging that every day Fox News and right wing media stokes, amplifies, and even lies to fuel those very divisions. "There are people who see words as violence and there are people who it's very easy for them to cross the line and commit acts of violence like this because they are moved by their politics," she said, which is true, but she did not tell viewers the other part of that: the vast majority of socio-political violence comes from the right. "When you combine that kind of rage, that sort of systemic cultural rage that we have right now that, that hasn't calmed down with untreated mental illness. That's when you have things like this happen and for them, whether it's a Supreme Court justice, the Speaker of the House, or anyone who holds visible elective office, it's a really scary time, and especially in California, where so much money goes to social services," Kennedy said, pivoting just as the right usually does when there's a horrific mass shooting. "They're not doing it right," she continued, attacking California, a convenient foil as it is run by Democrat Gavin Newsom, who is believed to be a potential 2024 presidential candidate. "They really have failed the mentally ill, especially those who are violently mentally ill in that state and they have not created appropriate systems to identify and treat people like this and it's really sad that after the fact we're hearing about all of these symptoms, when you know, with all that money and all of those resources, someone like this should have been identified and treated before something this tragic happens." What Kennedy also neglected to mention is that time and time and time again, Republicans voted down mental health legislation, while President Joe Biden and Democrats passed and signed into law legislation to improve mental health. Watch the Fox News clip below or at this link. www.rawstory.com/fox-news-tries-to-blame-president-biden-for-violent-on-speaker-pelosis-husband-video/
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Post by nursema on Oct 29, 2022 22:47:01 GMT
At what point does the FCC or some other entity enact some fucking standards as to who can put the word “NEWS” in the name of their programming? Why are hours worth of blatant lies as propaganda legal?
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 30, 2022 1:55:31 GMT
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Post by CardBoxer on Oct 30, 2022 1:58:07 GMT
From The Washington Post about the attacker and his right-wing conspiracy theories. It shouldn’t be behind a paywall but if it is let me know; I’ll re-do it. “David DePape, 42, also published hundreds of blog posts in recent months sharing memes in support of fringe commentators and far-right personalities. Many of the posts were filled with screeds against Jews, Black people, Democrats, the media and transgender people.” Gee, nothing to do with trump/magas/right wing conspiracies/the republican party. wapo.st/3UaaAnz
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 30, 2022 6:28:02 GMT
At what point does the FCC or some other entity enact some fucking standards as to who can put the word “NEWS” in the name of their programming? Why are hours worth of blatant lies as propaganda legal? I agree. Facebook and Instagram have faxed a lot of scrutiny over their policies and how the platforms affect society. And they aren’t even the ones directly putting the false, hate filled information out there. Why is Fox let off the hook?
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Post by nursema on Oct 30, 2022 8:21:03 GMT
At what point does the FCC or some other entity enact some fucking standards as to who can put the word “NEWS” in the name of their programming? Why are hours worth of blatant lies as propaganda legal? I agree. Facebook and Instagram have faxed a lot of scrutiny over their policies and how the platforms affect society. And they aren’t even the ones directly putting the false, hate filled information out there. Why is Fox let off the hook? I will never understand it. A quick Google search turns up countless pieces on a study (or studies?) performed that measured just how knowledgeable Fox “News” viewers are as to what is truly going on in the world around them, and not surprisingly, they’re pretty in the dark. Not only does Fox report pure fiction, they completely suppress factually inarguable information about significant events occurring around the world that are quite relevant to their viewing audience. It’s a big mind-fuck machine. They are literally brainwashing people, and in many cases, those people are quite vulnerable - especially seniors. It’s immoral, it’s unethical, and it should be illegal. I have repeatedly urged my 75 year old dad to watch at least the first 10 minutes or so of any non-Fox News report (ABC, CBS, NBC - anything but Fox) that he would be willing to watch so he would hear at least SOMETHING factual that’s going on in this country. He claims that he does (and I tend to believe him) and he reads the paper while on the toilet. I pray that those brief moments while info enters his brain from outlets whose sole function, purpose and mission are NOT a psychological operation will keep him grounded in some degree of reality. All people deserve to be informed and empowered to make choices about issues that affect their lives. That doesn’t happen when one chooses to listen only to the narrative they want to hear. They believe reports of false truths and are oblivious to THE truth. They don’t even realize what they are handing over to a propaganda powerhouse that does NOT care what happens to them. They’re handing over far more than their votes and their time. It’s like they’re handing their keys over to a carjacker - and throwing in a tip! 🤬🤦♀️😭 I just can’t believe where we are as a country right now. Fox has so much blood on its hands. I don’t just mean that figuratively, either. God help us.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 30, 2022 19:50:10 GMT
Conservatives are already pushing misinformation about the attack, calling it a "false flag" www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/30/paul-pelosi-attack-misinformation-elon-musk/The rush to sow doubt about the assault on Pelosi’s husband illustrates how aggressively influential figures on the right are seeking to dissuade the public from believing facts about the violence, seizing on the event to promote conspiracy theories and provoke distrust. The House speaker has long been a bugbear for the right, which has intensified its rhetorical blitz on her in recent years — even as extreme threats against members of Congress have increased.
These merchants of misinformation, said Carl Cameron, a former longtime Fox News political correspondent, deceive their massive audiences using rumors and lies about everything from the integrity of elections to the details of a police report.
“They are creating a dystopia wherein lying and physical violence become part of our politics,” he said.
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 31, 2022 17:44:43 GMT
Paul Pelosi is still in the ICU. My heart is breaking for what the Pelosi family is going through right now.
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Post by silverlining on Oct 31, 2022 18:10:14 GMT
I hadn't heard he was in the ICU. That poor family. No family should have to go through what they're experiencing, and especially not because of their years of public service to our country.
Can you imagine the horror and outrage if the family of the former Speaker of the House (now Minority Leader) was savagely attacked in their home, after years of violent rhetoric by media, and even by a president and other elected leaders?
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Post by grammadee on Oct 31, 2022 18:20:36 GMT
Paul Pelosi is still in the ICU. My heart is breaking for what the Pelosi family is going through right now. This does not surprise me: the gentleman is 82 years old, and has a skull fracture!! The report that doctors were expecting a "full recovery" was harder for me to believe. How does an 82 year old fully recover from a skull fracture?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 31, 2022 18:29:08 GMT
Don Jr has issued a despicable statement. "Sharing an image on social media of a hammer and men's underwear with a caption that read, "Got my Paul Pelosi Halloween costume ready,” Trump Jr. added: “The Internet remains undefeated.”" ***
*** Charles Kirk, of Turning point is trying to get follower to bail what's his name out.
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Post by nursema on Oct 31, 2022 20:30:41 GMT
There’s a special place in Hell and all that…
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Post by papersilly on Oct 31, 2022 20:37:01 GMT
Paul Pelosi is still in the ICU. My heart is breaking for what the Pelosi family is going through right now. This does not surprise me: the gentleman is 82 years old, and has a skull fracture!! The report that doctors were expecting a "full recovery" was harder for me to believe. How does an 82 year old fully recover from a skull fracture? first, i find hammer attacks particularly heinous. i don't know why but it's such a brutal form of violence. i also read the comment about expecting "full recovery" and i hate that i was skeptical of it being true. i want it to be true. for anyone. i just hate when this type of violence happens to the elderly or infirmed who might not have the best chances for a full recovery. i mean a hammer attack....to the skull....to an elderly person. makes me sick to my stomach.
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Post by TXMary on Oct 31, 2022 20:46:12 GMT
Don Jr has issued a despicable statement. "Sharing an image on social media of a hammer and men's underwear with a caption that read, "Got my Paul Pelosi Halloween costume ready,” Trump Jr. added: “The Internet remains undefeated.”" *** *** Charles Kirk, of Turning point is trying to get follower to bail what's his name out. What the actual hell is wrong with these people? Seriously.
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Post by elaine on Oct 31, 2022 21:15:12 GMT
but reports are that a far-right intruder Yeah, of course it is. Absolutely jump there without any evidence as fast as you possibly can. Never mind that reporters were robbed right in front of this same Pelosi home just a few months ago and were ignored when they openly tried to warn Pelosi that her very select street had become dangerous. Nope. It can't have anything to do with the state of the city, with it's rampant crime living in the open on its main streets. Hey, leftturnonly, you ever coming back? What do you think now? What do think of Kirk, a GOP politician, calling the attacker a “patriot” and asking for someone to get him out of prison because of what a patriot he is?
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Post by ntsf on Oct 31, 2022 21:20:28 GMT
I will say he is at zuckerberg sf general hospital --that is a level 3 trauma center, so he is in the best place.. we have a medical school in town and a high level of talent in the medical field.
so sad though.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 31, 2022 22:45:03 GMT
Republicans are also saying that he was attacked by a "friend" (are they really that dense that they can't understand the context of his phone call, or are they knowingly lying?) in underwear, that it was a gay lover situation gone bad, that the Halloween costume was funny because Mr Pelosi is "going to be ok" and so on.
I have been more active on Twitter in the last month but really need to figure out how to adjust my algorithm. For some reason I see MTG and other right wing idiots all of the time, even though I have clicked "mute this person." She is one of the worst but there are others that just make my blood boil. Along with all of the stupid comments. I do like seeing the content of some people on there but wish I could just see the negative people when I want to.
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Post by Merge on Oct 31, 2022 23:32:16 GMT
Republicans are also saying that he was attacked by a "friend" (are they really that dense that they can't understand the context of his phone call, or are they knowingly lying?) in underwear, that it was a gay lover situation gone bad, that the Halloween costume was funny because Mr Pelosi is "going to be ok" and so on. I have been more active on Twitter in the last month but really need to figure out how to adjust my algorithm. For some reason I see MTG and other right wing idiots all of the time, even though I have clicked "mute this person." She is one of the worst but there are others that just make my blood boil. Along with all of the stupid comments. I do like seeing the content of some people on there but wish I could just see the negative people when I want to. Simply block those people. Then you won’t see them.
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Post by sideways on Oct 31, 2022 23:36:34 GMT
Yeah, of course it is. Absolutely jump there without any evidence as fast as you possibly can. Never mind that reporters were robbed right in front of this same Pelosi home just a few months ago and were ignored when they openly tried to warn Pelosi that her very select street had become dangerous. Nope. It can't have anything to do with the state of the city, with it's rampant crime living in the open on its main streets. Hey, leftturnonly , you ever coming back? What do you think now? What do think of Kirk, a GOP politician, calling the attacker a “patriot” and asking for someone to get him out of prison because of what a patriot he is? Of course she’s not. She’s had ample time since she’s been proven wrong and I’d bet that she’s read the rest of this thread. She’s a coward.
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Post by cajeanne on Nov 1, 2022 1:51:52 GMT
According to his ex-girlfriend, the attacker wasn't a far right Trump supporter, in fact he voted for President Obama. Sounds like he was pretty mentally ill after years of drug abuse. He wasn't involved in politics at all when they met but started supporting her progressive ideas. SF Chronicle
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Post by silverlining on Nov 1, 2022 1:55:20 GMT
Republicans are also saying that he was attacked by a "friend" (are they really that dense that they can't understand the context of his phone call, or are they knowingly lying?) in underwear, that it was a gay lover situation gone bad, that the Halloween costume was funny because Mr Pelosi is "going to be ok" and so on. I have been more active on Twitter in the last month but really need to figure out how to adjust my algorithm. For some reason I see MTG and other right wing idiots all of the time, even though I have clicked "mute this person." She is one of the worst but there are others that just make my blood boil. Along with all of the stupid comments. I do like seeing the content of some people on there but wish I could just see the negative people when I want to. And this conspiracy theory about a gay lover (who had to break in to the house??) was re-tweeted by Elon Musk, the new owner of Twitter! When I saw that this morning, I felt just despondent about the lying liars who lie who are the source of information for so many people.
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Post by silverlining on Nov 1, 2022 1:59:30 GMT
According to his ex-girlfriend, the attacker wasn't a far right Trump supporter, in fact he voted for President Obama. Sounds like he was pretty mentally ill after years of drug abuse. He wasn't involved in politics at all when they met but started supporting her progressive ideas. SF Chronicle I would believe his own blog posts. Of course he could be mentally ill, and when mentally ill people get hooked on Fox news and right-wing websites, and listen to people who advocate violence, terrible things happen.
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Post by Merge on Nov 1, 2022 2:01:30 GMT
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Post by dizzycheermom on Nov 1, 2022 2:12:57 GMT
According to his ex-girlfriend, the attacker wasn't a far right Trump supporter, in fact he voted for President Obama. Sounds like he was pretty mentally ill after years of drug abuse. He wasn't involved in politics at all when they met but started supporting her progressive ideas. SF Chronicle ehhhh... I have family members who voted for Obama who are now Q anon believers, love trump and think the election was stolen. All the evidence from his blog shows what he believes.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Nov 1, 2022 2:16:16 GMT
Republicans are also saying that he was attacked by a "friend" (are they really that dense that they can't understand the context of his phone call, or are they knowingly lying?) in underwear, that it was a gay lover situation gone bad, that the Halloween costume was funny because Mr Pelosi is "going to be ok" and so on. I have been more active on Twitter in the last month but really need to figure out how to adjust my algorithm. For some reason I see MTG and other right wing idiots all of the time, even though I have clicked "mute this person." She is one of the worst but there are others that just make my blood boil. Along with all of the stupid comments. I do like seeing the content of some people on there but wish I could just see the negative people when I want to. Not to derail... But I'm really trying to figure out how Instagram decided I am a rabid Royal follower. As annoying as that is, I'd certainly not trade you for your Twitter feed! Good luck!
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Nov 1, 2022 2:35:50 GMT
According to his ex-girlfriend, the attacker wasn't a far right Trump supporter, in fact he voted for President Obama. Sounds like he was pretty mentally ill after years of drug abuse. He wasn't involved in politics at all when they met but started supporting her progressive ideas. SF Chronicle ehhhh... I have family members who voted for Obama who are now Q anon believers, love trump and think the election was stolen. All the evidence from his blog shows what he believes. Same. My mom literally cried tears of joy when Obama was elected, and was quite apolitical prior. She became a rabid Trump fan. She's cooled on him, but still hates anyone with a (D) behind their name. Most R's too. She now fancies herself the FB Social Media Champion of the Working Class. She spoon feeds herself Fox News all day, and just put out a Facebook post about how all Nerds and Skittles should be thrown away (it's Halloween), because they are possibly laced with Fentenyl. She used to be a fairly reasonable person, apolitical, the 20 minute news segment each night. Now, Fox is on loop all day, and she is the personification of "say it enough times and people begin to believe it." And fear. The fear of everything breaks my heart. She truly believes that Democrats in power are going to bring on the collapse of our country. She isn't religious. Honestly... I don't know what to think of this attacker. I don't know where the hammer came from (did PP try to use it to defend himself and have it taken from him? Reports say when the police entered, they both had hands on it and the attacker won control of it and hit him.) I just feel absolutely heartbroken for PP and even NP. I typically vote red, but that's been challenged the last few years. I'm neurotypical, so is my mom (but she now personifies the scared elderly lady... and she's not.that.old!!!) I have a person very very close to me that is not-at-all neurotypical. She is a parrot. If someone she loves says something to her, she takes it to heart and just goes on and on with it. I don't know who this guy is, his social media presence is disgusting, and he's clearly not thinking correctly. How much of that is political? I don't know. How much of it is self guided? I don't know. I just commented on another thread about how Instagram somehow decided I'm a royal follower. I'm NOT! The Queen died, and I read some stuff and looked at some photos. Now, 25% of my content (low level user admittedly) is Royal stuff. Here on the Peas, we brow beat (to put it nicely...) our fellow humans from our soapboxes. Honestly, these algorithms are developing and culturing hate and division. Twitter, FB, IG, Youtube.. it's well documented how this works and how it twists peoples minds. We joke how we literally were in our car with everything off and thought of a toaster and started getting toaster ads popping up. We really need to address this as a country, and world, really. It was mentioned upthread that Musk is now at the helm of Twitter. Maybe he'll do something about it. Probably he won't, because he wants advertisers. He seems to be a long game kind of guy, so I am at least a little hopeful. Sorry for the long post. I'm just all in the feels tonight, still processing Seoul. Hugs everyone.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 1, 2022 2:39:00 GMT
I think this article explains really well how the attacker became radicalized wapo.st/3Do8h9B Gift article - no paywall www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/10/31/david-depape-pelosi-online-radicalization/The path that led an attacker to the home of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was long and meandering, with evidence suggesting that he dabbled in fringe movements of all sorts before embracing the right-wing vilification of Democrats.
The complex history of accused attacker David DePape’s radicalization unfolded over more than eight years and several different ideologies, moving from Green Party support and nudist activism, to a hateful mix of racist, anti-Jewish and misogynistic rhetoric, according to terrorism analysts who’ve studied his writings and social media posts. They say DePape’s evolving beliefs show how today’s extremist threat complicates easy left-right categorization, a shift that’s confusing to the public and a bonanza for trolls who exploit the messiness to push disinformation and justify violence.
“You get stuff that just feels contradictory, but when you understand how online exposure to propaganda works, it makes perfect sense,” said Cynthia Miller-Idriss, who heads the Polarization and Extremism Research and Innovation Lab at American University. “It’s a choose-your-own-adventure type of radicalization.”
By the time DePape, 42, allegedly broke into the Pelosis’ residence Friday and attacked 82-year-old Paul with a hammer, his writings were laden with far-right messaging that indicated a dark, conspiratorial spiral. His blog posts in October were a mix of bloody images and hateful screeds aimed at a variety of targeted groups including Jewish, Black and trans people, as well as Democrats. He also shared delusional thoughts about an invisible fairy that sometimes appeared as a bird; a purported former romantic partner, Oxane “Gypsy” Taub, has told reporters that DePape is “mentally ill.
“That moment you realize the nudist hippie male prostitute LSD guy was the reason your husband didn’t make it to your fundraiser,” tweeted Rep. Clay Higgins (R-La.) alongside a photo of a distressed-looking Nancy Pelosi.
Analysts say such reactions are dangerous, bad faith attempts to score political points while playing down the seriousness of a violent attack targeting the most powerful woman in Congress. Federal prosecutors on Monday filed attempted kidnapping and assault charges against DePape, noting that, in addition to the hammer allegedly used to strike Paul Pelosi, authorities recovered “a roll of tape, white rope, a second hammer, a pair of rubber and cloth gloves, and zip ties.” After being taken into custody, DePape told authorities that his plan was to hold Nancy Pelosi hostage and potentially break “her kneecaps” to make an example of her as “leader of the pack” of what he considers lying Democrats, according to court papers. “Calling this guy a left-wing fanatic today is disingenuous when his chosen path for the last eight years was clearly Alt Right,” extremism researcher J.J. MacNab wrote in a Twitter thread that laid out her research into DePape’s far-right descent.
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Post by leftturnonly on Nov 1, 2022 4:19:08 GMT
David Depape, the man who attacked Paul Pelosi, a man illegally in this country, has been camping full time on the street in a dilapidated school bus complete with a gay pride flag out front, a sign that reads "Berkley stands against hate," and a BLM banner behind. He's well known in the Bay Area for taking hallucinogenic drugs, and for being a nudist. Depape's family, which includes his ex-girlfriend and her family, and his old neighbors describe him as someone who is drug addicted and mentally ill. The ex-girlfriend said he thought he was Jesus for a year and was never able to hold a job, "... a broken child in an adult body with serious mental problems."
Somehow, that no one is yet reporting, this mentally ill, basically homeless man who is here in this country illegally managed to avoid all of the special security that Nancy Pelosi has at all of her homes and be in the home where he hit Paul Pelosi in front of police responding to a wellness check.
The man apparently made remarks on social media that shows he doesn't think that we had a free and fair election in 2020, plus other comments, and thereby despite everything else pointing to the contrary, this man is clearly a fine example of a right wing extremist who is terrorizing anyone on the political left.
Y'all might think the narrative the media was so fast to jump on makes sense, but it's just one more thing that doesn't add up.
From all accounts this man is drug-addicted, mentally ill, unable to hold down a job and living on the streets. Those should be the most primary and obvious considerations.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 1, 2022 4:36:01 GMT
And you got all that info from where... Again no link, but I guess that doesn't count. Illegal, maybe but not from the south, where all those undesirables you talk about, come from.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 1, 2022 4:43:03 GMT
FuzzyMuttMusk is now at the helm of Twitter. Maybe he'll do something about it. Probably he won't, because he wants advertisers. He seems to be a long game kind of guy, so I am at least a little hopeful.NOT likely. He sent out another false, conspiracy theory, about Paul Pelosi and the whole mess. After it was retweeted 28,000 times, he did take it down. He had no problem sending it though without accurate info!! Sorry about your mom..
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