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Post by flanz on Nov 16, 2022 18:32:03 GMT
Hey friends, Do you have any experience with your grandchildren or your own children who were full-term and yet grew slowly? Our DGD is 5.5 weeks old. Her birth was traumatic and she was in NICU for 3 full days before going home, (due to aspirating a lot of meconium). Had a feeding tube in hospital and once home, she seemed exhausted from the experience. It was hard for her to stay awake long enough to eat once home. That's getting better.
She was born a little under 7 lbs and lost 6 oz while in hospital. Got up to 7 lbs by three weeks of age. She's still fairly sleepy much of the day, but very alert when she's awake. Shows great interest in her Montessori black/white mobile meant for her age, stares into our eyes and tracks with her eyes.
Doctor wants her to be gaining more per week and it's stressful to think she may not grow in a normal, healthy way. I suspect and desperately want to believe that she is growing at her own perfect pace. One of her great grandmothers was 5'0" tall, as are two of her great aunts, so I'm thinking she may just end up being really petite.
She has always had formula after first being put to the breast, and much of what she does drink is milk expressed by DD.
Would you be concerned?
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Post by peabay on Nov 16, 2022 18:34:36 GMT
Not yet. If she's eating and alert when she's awake, and her doctor isn't concerned - just saying "hm, I'd like her to gain a little more weight' - I'd really try to relax and just enjoy her and feed her and play with her and try not to worry.
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Post by MichyM on Nov 16, 2022 18:39:00 GMT
My son was seven weeks premature. He was tiny at birth. I didn't (and still don't) get concerned until the physician says to be concerned. Sounds like her pediatrician is ok-ish. So I would too. I would be asking him/her detailed questions about what should be done to "gain more each week."
As an aside. Son was in the 95% at one year old. Now he is 32, just over 5'10" tall, and a fit and healthy weight. So, IMHO, what's going on now with weight isn't any indication of what size she'll be as a child and adult.
Anyhow....grandma...don't worry, be happy (if you can)!
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Post by librarylady on Nov 16, 2022 18:50:17 GMT
My son was full term and 6:14 at birth. However he was not growing by leaps and bounds. My pediatrician told me, "He is on the chart for growth at his age. As long as he is on the chart, don't worry."
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Post by ~summer~ on Nov 16, 2022 18:59:36 GMT
I was born a bit early and under 5lb. I gained weight slowly - but I’ve always been healthy! Though I’m still only 5’3” and petite lol.
I’d just make sure she is seeing her pediatrician regularly - try not to worry! Hugs
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Post by Sparki on Nov 16, 2022 19:00:07 GMT
One of my sisters was premie, had heart problems, under 3 lbs at birth. She has heard "gain more weight" all her life. She's now 34 years old and still tiny. Feisty though!
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Post by Monica* on Nov 16, 2022 19:06:29 GMT
I had twins at 34 weeks 5 days. They were each a little under 6 lbs at birth, and lost weight once home and got down to the low 5's. They were sleepy and scrawny, but I just kept chugging along with breast feeding and supplemental formula feeding the best I could. It took a little time, but they did just fine and turned into regular weight bouncing babies. DD was more petite at birth than DS and grew up to be about 5'1". DS was a bit bigger at birth and grew up to be 6 feet tall and big and strapping. They both tracked on the chart in their own pattern and I remember the ped telling me, as someone else mentioned, that they basically just look for them to be on the chart and to have consistent growth in length and weight, whatever percentile that is. Hang in there Grandma!!
ETA: just wanted to add that my granddaughter was born full-term but was petite. She is still petite but growing and developing normally and at her own pace. She definitely looks a bit smaller than her peers, but seems to be catching up. It's funny how differently shaped kids are but then by college it mostly evens out!
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Post by littlemama on Nov 16, 2022 19:09:24 GMT
I would advise your dd to follow the doctor's advice. If she isnt sure how to get baby to eat more, she should talk to the Dr or a lactation consultant about next steps. It is possible that formula will be a better solution, but she needs to let the experts guide her
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Post by leftturnonly on Nov 16, 2022 19:10:53 GMT
Do you have any experience with your grandchildren or your own children who were full-term and yet grew slowly? Yes. My son was born with a defect that made him fail to thrive. I both nursed him and drip-bottle fed him through a tube while he slept until he received surgery at a year and a half to correct a birth defect. The only kids smaller than my boy in early school were two very tiny Vietnamese girls (whose parents were petite). As his heritage includes height ranges from very petite to very tall, we weren't sure what to expect his final adult height would be. He's now full grown, just under 6 feet tall, and certifiably, highly intelligent. His pediatrician made me feel so bad when she first realized he was failing to thrive, I actually had to excuse myself and leave the office. When I came back, she actually apologized to me and we were then able to develop a plan which included specialists and surgery. It's traumatic to experience your child/grandchild struggle so hard. Big, gentle hugs to you.
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Post by fiddlesticks on Nov 16, 2022 19:11:55 GMT
As long as she was growing, I would try and not worry about it yet. Easier said than done, I know.
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Post by gar on Nov 16, 2022 19:13:35 GMT
My granddaughter has always been ‘petite’, and was always on the low levels on the percentage chart. Although no one was officially concerned I couldn’t help but be a bit worried. But now she’s on solids and is bulking up - for her - she’s still light-ish for her age but she’s super alert, doing all the things she should and we just all agree that she’ll just always be on the petite side physically. There are such huge variations between babies and what’s “normal” as I’m sure you know so please try not to worry as hard as that is 😊
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Post by flanz on Nov 16, 2022 19:28:29 GMT
THANK YOU EVERYONE! I really appreciate your encouragement and sharing your success stories. Our children are so very precious. DD has had the support of a great lactation consultant, midwives, her doula and their pediatrician. She's also done everything she possibly can to boost her milk supply and to get baby to nurse. Heroic efforts, IMO. She will do all she can to at least partially feed their little girl breast milk but is not at all ashamed that they need to supplement. If it comes to it and it is deemed that baby needs formula only to thrive, she'll do that too. Is that a thing.... that sometime's mom's milk is not nourishing enough?
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Post by flanz on Nov 16, 2022 19:29:37 GMT
Do you have any experience with your grandchildren or your own children who were full-term and yet grew slowly? Yes. My son was born with a defect that made him fail to thrive. I both nursed him and drip-bottle fed him through a tube while he slept until he received surgery at a year and a half to correct a birth defect. The only kids smaller than my boy in early school were two very tiny Vietnamese girls (whose parents were petite). As his heritage includes height ranges from very petite to very tall, we weren't sure what to expect his final adult height would be. He's now full grown, just under 6 feet tall, and certifiably, highly intelligent. His pediatrician made me feel so bad when she first realized he was failing to thrive, I actually had to excuse myself and leave the office. When I came back, she actually apologized to me and we were then able to develop a plan which included specialists and surgery. It's traumatic to experience your child/grandchild struggle so hard. Big, gentle hugs to you. That must have been such a difficult year and a half! If I may ask, how old was your DS when you believed he would be alright? ((( hugs )))
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 16, 2022 19:31:48 GMT
My friend's daughter was so tiny at birth. By two, she was 16 pounds and they went to several doctors. One dr. told her people come in all different sizes and they usually end up just fine (healthy) and to stop worrying. The other dr.s said to do so many things to get her gain weight. She was always a little small up until high school and then poof! She fit right in with all of the varying body sizes and today is a very average sized young lady at 25. You would never know the stress her mom felt when she was a baby.
I have to chuckle because my son was almost double her weight at a year old. He too, is now very average for a guy.
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Post by quinlove on Nov 16, 2022 19:40:01 GMT
Congratulations flanz ( once again ) on your precious granddaughter. Please try not to worry about her. Always remember that you have hundreds of peas looking over her, and you. 💗
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Post by gar on Nov 16, 2022 19:46:57 GMT
THANK YOU EVERYONE! I really appreciate your encouragement and sharing your success stories. Our children are so very precious. DD has had the support of a great lactation consultant, midwives, her doula and their pediatrician. She's also done everything she possibly can to boost her milk supply and to get baby to nurse. Heroic efforts, IMO. She will do all she can to at least partially feed their little girl breast milk but is not at all ashamed that they need to supplement. If it comes to it and it is deemed that baby needs formula only to thrive, she'll do that too. Is that a thing.... that sometime's mom's milk is not nourishing enough? I imagine it’s possible but I think it’s more that formula milk is boosted and beefed up with extra calories etc.
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Post by monklady123 on Nov 16, 2022 19:54:41 GMT
Well, easy enough for us all to say "don't worry". Harder to do that though! But...try not to worry, especially if she's healthy and alert. You said she's mostly having breast milk... if that's the case that the majority of her milk is breast milk then be sure your dd is able to express milk from each side long enough to get the hind milk. That's where the fat is, which is important for all babies but might be especially important for your granddaughter. I was just reading a FB post from a friend whose baby was absolutely tiny when she was born, and back then the doctor said "failure to thrive" which of course made the mom feel like she was the worst mother ever. The reason she was posting on FB was to talk about the college search that they're starting on for the failure to thrive baby. lol. She's grown up into a lovely young lady, totally normal in height and weight.
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Post by beaglemom on Nov 16, 2022 21:03:30 GMT
my 3rd was like this. But he came home at normal weight, just gained really slowly. To the point that at 6 months they were wanting me to give him literal balls of butter to help him gain weight. Then it was olive oil mixed with organic beef pureed. He is 6 now and "normal" on the height chart, but is still really slim. He eats what he wants (fairly balanced), but just tends to not eat a ton. I am a little jealous that he does such a good job of moderating himself! He is super strong, just very slim.
I was definitely stressed we switched doctors because the first one made me feel like crap! But it all has worked out!
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Post by Delta Dawn on Nov 16, 2022 21:27:09 GMT
I was 5’ tall until I was measured properly and am 5’1” but there is no difference in one inch.
My son swallowed mecomium too and had to be suctioned. I found out years later because no one would tell me anything at the time.
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Post by Linda on Nov 16, 2022 21:30:33 GMT
((((Hugs)))) I would take the lead from her doctor as far as worrying goes.
A bit different scenario here as mine was 8lb 4 at birth and gained fine until about 6m when she hit 20lbs - and started to crawl....and was still 20lbs at 2yrs. She was failure to thrive and was the tiny one in her class all through elementary school. She's 22 now and 5'3.5" and sturdy. For her it was a combination of a high metabolism, being very active (she walked at 9m), and sensory/texture issues that impacted eating and a milk/soy allergy. She nursed until she was 4yr - in part because it was the one guaranteed source of nutrition ....she was that kid who WOULD (and did) starve herself rather than eat something she didn't want to.
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Post by leftturnonly on Nov 16, 2022 21:39:52 GMT
Yes. My son was born with a defect that made him fail to thrive. I both nursed him and drip-bottle fed him through a tube while he slept until he received surgery at a year and a half to correct a birth defect. The only kids smaller than my boy in early school were two very tiny Vietnamese girls (whose parents were petite). As his heritage includes height ranges from very petite to very tall, we weren't sure what to expect his final adult height would be. He's now full grown, just under 6 feet tall, and certifiably, highly intelligent. His pediatrician made me feel so bad when she first realized he was failing to thrive, I actually had to excuse myself and leave the office. When I came back, she actually apologized to me and we were then able to develop a plan which included specialists and surgery. It's traumatic to experience your child/grandchild struggle so hard. Big, gentle hugs to you. That must have been such a difficult year and a half! If I may ask, how old was your DS when you believed he would be alright? ((( hugs ))) First, let me say that my daughter went into diabetic ketoacidosis the day after I knew for certain that I was pregnant with my son. She was 18 months old. When my son was born, he appeared very healthy. It took several months before his serious medical issues became apparent. (Hence the misunderstanding with the pediatrician.) Let's just say that being their mom has been an interesting ride. I have tremendous faith and a God-given intuition that I can't really explain. I'll just quickly sum it up by saying that I had absolute conviction about each child before I became pregnant with them. I knew immediately when I was pregnant, long before any test could be taken. It's because of that faith that I knew that they would both be "alright", even though each still has continuing medical issues. (It's difficult to talk about or explain because to date, only my late husband and my kids show any real understanding, and that understanding has come only because that's what life with me has been like. I apologize if this is confusing. It's not you, it's my lack of ability to explain the unexplainable.) Medical doctors decided my son would be alright sometime soon after he got surgery. He weighed over 7 pounds at birth and weighed something like 18 pounds at 16 months. Nursing plus a milk drip had sustained him until then, but when Dr's took him off the drip, he began to seriously fail and required immediate further measures. DESPITE what the pediatrician claimed, I did not have to stop nursing him either before or after surgery. I can only recommend from my own experience that your daughter continue to nurse as long as she is able. Pediatric ICU is a blast and a half. Not. Don't be too worried that your little one has been knocked out by the experience. That won't last. As for growth, my boy had surgery at 16 months. By age 5, the only kids in his kindergarten class smaller than he was (albeit he was younger than most because of his birthdate) where the 2 girls mentioned. He was little for a long time. Until he wasn't. Doctors unintentionally can add a great deal of stress. As long as your grandbaby girl is alert and curious, and continues to eat/poop regularly, try to let that ease your minds a bit. And once again, I suggest continued nursing for as long as possible. That bonding time with Mom is the most healing thing possible for her.
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Post by iowgirl on Nov 16, 2022 21:41:24 GMT
My grandchild was born full term, but was much smaller than had been anticipated. The mothers pregnancy was completely normal, until the last week when blood pressure began rising. No sign of pre-eclampsia ever until that last week. Induction was then scheduled, but delivery was only a couple days before the actual due date.
My grandbaby was just a little over 5 pounds. Unexpectedly small! They had estimated, from ultrasounds in the weeks before that the baby would be 6-7 pounds. The baby never had to go into NICU, but it was a quite traumatic birth. The baby's heartbeat would drop during a light contraction. They decided to do a c-section immediately after the baby heartbeat cratered during a contraction. Mother's BP was skyrocketing and they pushed magnesium to her.
CSection went well, and thankfully they did go that route, as there was a double cord wrap on the baby - which was causing the drop in the baby's heartbeat during contractions.
When they brought the baby home after several days in the hospital (full Covid lockdown, no less!) it was so tiny. Under 5 pounds.
They had to do feeding every 3 hours around the clock, to try and get some weight on the baby. They breast fed, but also did supplement some formula earlier on.
Two years plus since then. She is still a small nugget - but totally healthy! She is on the low end of the size charts, but those things are something I always say to take with a grain of salt! She is a very healthy weight, around 28 pounds. Eats great and loves all kinds of foods. She's smart as a whip (aren't all grandkids?) and is a lively beautiful child! If you drive by a McDonalds and she sees the sign - you will hear "FRIES!! Grammy! FRIES!" from the car seat! LOL
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Post by myboysnme on Nov 16, 2022 21:46:32 GMT
At her age no one has any idea how much she will grow to be. My DGD was 5 weeks early and is now 10 months old and in the 80th percentile for weight and 75th for height.
Her pediatrician is the best one to know if she is on track. Infants vary so much. My other DGD's bestie is one week younger than her and was born at 21 weeks gestation and less than 1 lb. DGD was full term and 7 lbs. Now at 3 years old you cannot tell who was full term and who was born early. They are the same height and weight. One is verbally stronger and one is physically stronger.
Some babies sleep a lot at first and then when they mature more they forget to sleep at all.
Anyway long answer short, if her pediatrician is concerned then follow the pediatrician's recommendations. Otherwise she's only been in the world a few weeks. 3 months from now she may not resemble the baby you see today.
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Post by peasapie on Nov 16, 2022 21:53:58 GMT
My niece’s son had something called failure to thrive for at least his first year. He grew very slowly, was on special formula, and my niece was a nervous wreck. He’s three now and doing just fine.
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Post by caangel on Nov 16, 2022 22:00:23 GMT
My daughter was born 7 lb 7 oz. Very normal birth. Except for the first few months or so, she was a slow grower and has always been at the very bottom of her growth chart, like below 5%tile for height and weight.
Only recently at 13 years old. Has she gotten into the double digit percentile-wise. She is petite, healthy and fierce competitor. Nobody should mess with her!
My mom is barely 5 ft. My mother-in-law is about 5'2. But I am almost 5'6 and my husband is 6'1.
Only since being in middle school has she been taller than her friend. They were always the two shortest kids in their grade. Both of my kids have been slim and petite but her the most. No doctor has been concerned because they are both on their personal growth charts and continue to be.
I actually had to have a talk with her when I realized a few years ago that she was very proud of her short stature and being small. I knew that there was a possibility that she could eventually hit a more average height when she hits puberty and I didn't want her to think of being more average size as a negative thing versus being petite. Now she says that she likes being small but she might be tall one day and that's good too! 😁
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Post by littlemama on Nov 16, 2022 22:08:52 GMT
Im confused as to how she had a feeding tube in the hospital and lost weight. When my ds was in NICU, he had an IV, not a feeding tube and he gained weight. We were told that was the norm for a baby on an IV. I would think with a feeding tube it would be the same or more of a gain.
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Post by paigepea on Nov 16, 2022 22:13:52 GMT
Our pedi wanted dd1 to grow quicker as well. My milk was super thin and I didn’t have much so she was also supplemented with formula. She dropped a lot of weight to start and put it on slowly. We had a scale at home and would weigh her before / after feeds to make sure she was gaining. It was stressful. And my dh is a pedi and kept saying to me that he thought it was all ok but we were going through the expected motions. She was 3rd percentile until 3 years old and then went to 50th. When dd2 came out smaller, dropped weight and didn’t put it on quickly, ended up at 3rd percentile, we didn’t worry at all. She ended up at 50th by age 3. As long as there is some gain. But really the pedi is the one to listen to to make sure baby is doing well.
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Post by Basket1lady on Nov 16, 2022 22:22:22 GMT
She may just be a petite person. My BFF’s boys were both small when they were growing up. They were on the chart, but barely. I was buying new clothes every few months and her kids were wearing stuff out. They were like that until probably their junior year of HS, and then they started growing. One is now almost 6’ and the other isn’t much smaller.
Kids grow at their own rate. If the baby is still gaining weight and meeting her developmental milestones, I’d say that she’s doing great.
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Post by seaexplore on Nov 17, 2022 1:48:48 GMT
Both my kids were full term and in the 5th or lower percentile according to the charts. They ate well but we’re just tiny.
My oldest is 11 and in 6th grade and is just at 5’ and almost 80 lbs. my youngest is 6 and is following the same growth pattern my oldest was on.
I’d say not to worry as long as she’s eating often and sleeping “normally” for her age.
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Post by seaexplore on Nov 17, 2022 1:54:45 GMT
THANK YOU EVERYONE! I really appreciate your encouragement and sharing your success stories. Our children are so very precious. DD has had the support of a great lactation consultant, midwives, her doula and their pediatrician. She's also done everything she possibly can to boost her milk supply and to get baby to nurse. Heroic efforts, IMO. She will do all she can to at least partially feed their little girl breast milk but is not at all ashamed that they need to supplement. If it comes to it and it is deemed that baby needs formula only to thrive, she'll do that too. Is that a thing.... that sometime's mom's milk is not nourishing enough? My first was supplemented with formula. My breast milk was full of good fats. In the fridge, there was more solid than liquid in the bottles! My friends would joke that she was eating Hagen daz 😂 My issue was not producing enough milk for her. My body didn’t get the memo to produce lots of milk since I had a c-section. with my 2nd, I didn’t need to supplement. I produced enough. There is zero shame in needing to supplement or full formula. Babies gotta eat and moms need to help them achieve that whatever way is needed.
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