pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Dec 1, 2022 3:46:59 GMT
We don’t say gay but we’re gonna beat your kids. Fuck Florida!
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Post by malibou on Dec 1, 2022 4:10:37 GMT
What the ever loving fuck! There is no way I would subject my kid to that. No way.
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Post by Merge on Dec 1, 2022 4:31:13 GMT
Why does the county sheriff have anything at all to do with drafting the school discipline policy?
Want to take any bets on which demographics of students will be most likely to get the brunt of any harsh and/or physical discipline?
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Post by myshelly on Dec 1, 2022 4:44:43 GMT
Spanking in public schools is already legal in Florida, it’s not new. It’s not a new policy with this school board or this sheriff.
It’s legal in 20 states.
Public schools spank where I live.
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pantsonfire
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Post by pantsonfire on Dec 1, 2022 6:13:41 GMT
Ah yes...let's take broken kids from a broken system who live in a broken home environment and beat the shit out of them.
Yes, yes! That will teach them to behave!
(That was sarcasm up there peas)
Holy fruck. Those poor kids.
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Post by malibou on Dec 1, 2022 7:03:51 GMT
Spanking in public schools is already legal in Florida, it’s not new. It’s not a new policy with this school board or this sheriff. It’s legal in 20 states. Public schools spank where I live. Holy crap, I thought that had been banned everywhere years ago. I'm horrified. We never spanked our kid, so there is no way I would tolerate someone else spanking my kid. I don't think any of my friends spank their kids either.
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Post by myshelly on Dec 1, 2022 11:21:19 GMT
Spanking in public schools is already legal in Florida, it’s not new. It’s not a new policy with this school board or this sheriff. It’s legal in 20 states. Public schools spank where I live. Holy crap, I thought that had been banned everywhere years ago. I'm horrified. We never spanked our kid, so there is no way I would tolerate someone else spanking my kid. I don't think any of my friends spank their kids either. Nope. Not banned. And private schools can spank in 48 states.
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Post by elaine on Dec 1, 2022 11:46:47 GMT
Spanking in public schools is already legal in Florida, it’s not new. It’s not a new policy with this school board or this sheriff. It’s legal in 20 states. Public schools spank where I live. Holy crap, I thought that had been banned everywhere years ago. I'm horrified. We never spanked our kid, so there is no way I would tolerate someone else spanking my kid. I don't think any of my friends spank their kids either. Thank heaven it is banned in the district where my boys went to school and where I teach. I would imagine that my boys - having autism and not always behaving appropriately - would have been spanked regularly in a school district that used spanking as a classroom management strategy. ☹️ I will guess that, in addition to ethnicity difference in the prevalence of spanking being used as discipline, children with special needs/IEPs are also overrepresented in the been-spanked-at-school group.
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Post by Restless Spirit on Dec 1, 2022 12:58:43 GMT
Holy crap, I thought that had been banned everywhere years ago. I'm horrified. We never spanked our kid, so there is no way I would tolerate someone else spanking my kid. I don't think any of my friends spank their kids either. Thank heaven it is banned in the district where my boys went to school and where I teach. I would imagine that my boys - having autism and not always behaving appropriately - would have been spanked regularly in a school district that used spanking as a classroom management strategy. ☹️ I will guess that, in addition to ethnicity difference in the prevalence of spanking being used as discipline, children with special needs/IEPs are also overrepresented in the been-spanked-at-school group. I grew up in an era of public school discipline including spanking and more. I remember, I believe it was in junior high, when a male math teacher took off his belt and strapped a boy to his chair because he wouldn’t hold still and was very destructive. Knowing what I know now, I highly suspect he had not a learning disability, but perhaps ADHD or autism. He was a brilliant math student and would jump up to say the answers. I find it barbaric that schools still use physical discipline on students. Rather than act as a deterrent, I think it is unfair to the student and distresses his fellow classmates. I know after seeing that young man be strapped to a chair in my math class, I was terrified of that teacher and did very poorly in that class.
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Post by candygurl on Dec 1, 2022 13:05:52 GMT
Absolutely not! There is no way I would have my child in a district like that. Wow.
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Post by epeanymous on Dec 1, 2022 13:51:40 GMT
Viewing the needs of developing children as an issue for law enforcement is a huuuuuge problem.
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oh yvonne
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Post by oh yvonne on Dec 1, 2022 14:12:26 GMT
What kind of stats/numbers show that spanking is in any way beneficial or a deterrent to 'bad' behavior?
I looked at the list of states that allow corporal punishment and all I see is red states with the exception of Colorado.
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Post by Linda on Dec 1, 2022 14:30:55 GMT
not banned here in Florida - individual counties can decide not to implement. We moved from a county that didn't use it to one that did in 2008 - and I was absolutely shocked that one of the enrollment forms for elementary school was to sign either giving permission or NOT giving permission for corporal punishments - you bet we signed the DO NOT side and continued to do so for as long as it was included in the back to school forms (I can't remember if my youngest had the forms all the way through elementary or not but definitely for at least some it (she's in high school now)
I grew up overseas in a time when headmasters could cane you (on the hands) and do remember receiving that at least once (I was at that school from almost 7 to just past my 9th birthday - I was probably 8 at the time) - but I'm pretty sure by the early 1980s it was banned.
As for the Sheriff's office? they provide school resource deputies and perhaps that's going to be who provides the punishment? In my local schools, it would have been the principal/asst principal (although I'm not aware of anyone whose kid has been punished in that way at the school my girls attended).
I don't agree with corporal punishment - and especially not in schools. And I don't think the Sheriff's deputies/SROs should be involved for many reasons starting with the on-going issues with police brutality
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Post by crazy4scraps on Dec 1, 2022 15:01:21 GMT
not banned here in Florida - individual counties can decide not to implement. We moved from a county that didn't use it to one that did in 2008 - and I was absolutely shocked that one of the enrollment forms for elementary school was to sign either giving permission or NOT giving permission for corporal punishments - you bet we signed the DO NOT side and continued to do so for as long as it was included in the back to school forms (I can't remember if my youngest had the forms all the way through elementary or not but definitely for at least some it (she's in high school now) I grew up overseas in a time when headmasters could cane you (on the hands) and do remember receiving that at least once (I was at that school from almost 7 to just past my 9th birthday - I was probably 8 at the time) - but I'm pretty sure by the early 1980s it was banned. As for the Sheriff's office? they provide school resource deputies and perhaps that's going to be who provides the punishment? In my local schools, it would have been the principal/asst principal (although I'm not aware of anyone whose kid has been punished in that way at the school my girls attended). I don't agree with corporal punishment - and especially not in schools. And I don't think the Sheriff's deputies/SROs should be involved for many reasons starting with the on-going issues with police brutality I remember my older siblings recalling getting rapped on the knuckles with a wooden ruler for misbehaving in grade school by the nuns at their private Catholic school back in the 60’s. ☹️ They would have to lay their hands flat on the desk and the nun would smack them with the ruler. That school ended up closing (no surprise) before I was school age so I didn’t go there.
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Post by paulao on Dec 1, 2022 15:04:01 GMT
Yet another reason Florida can get fucked. I was going to spend some time down there this winter but not now. I won’t give that shit hole one dime.
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Post by Merge on Dec 1, 2022 15:44:42 GMT
I will say that just because corporal punishment is allowed in a state doesn't mean that it is practiced much if at all (and yes, any amount is too much). It may technically be allowed in Texas, for example, but is explicitly disallowed in my district and many others here. We don't do that.
If spanking had been routinely practiced in Brevard County up to now, it's not clear to me why the sheriff and new school board members need to make a statement about creating a "new" discipline policy. It's personally very disturbing to me to have a white sheriff and white school board members standing in front of a jail talking about implementing the type of policies that - if past performance is any indication - will disproportionately affect students of color, low SES students, SPED students, and other historically marginalized populations. And that have contributed to the school-to-prison pipeline that is so alarmingly evoked by the choice of the jail location.
Once again, they seem to be putting the onus of fixing societal problems on teachers and administrators instead of addressing the reasons why kids act out in school. I need you to allow me to teach the kids I have in front of me with smaller class sizes, adequate resources, and reasonable expectations. I don't need to be handed a "discipline policy" that requires me to refer kids for suspension or corporal punishment in lieu of getting what I need to teach.
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The Great Carpezio
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Dec 1, 2022 16:26:26 GMT
Jesus, can we find something between beating kids and sending them back to class five minutes later with a piece of candy?
I can't even imagine living in an area that allows corporal punishment. Like Merge, I knew it existed in the books and thought it was very rarely used anymore. I also assumed that with this dramatic announcement, it was not, or rarely, used in that district/county before this new school board.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Dec 1, 2022 18:03:45 GMT
Spanking in public schools is already legal in Florida, it’s not new. It’s not a new policy with this school board or this sheriff. It’s legal in 20 states. Public schools spank where I live. Holy crap, I thought that had been banned everywhere years ago. I'm horrified. We never spanked our kid, so there is no way I would tolerate someone else spanking my kid. I don't think any of my friends spank their kids either. Wow not that my kid got in trouble but I am glad it’s not legal here. At least I don’t think it is. It’s hard to believe it’s still legal in 20 states.
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mamapeaah
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Post by mamapeaah on Dec 1, 2022 21:28:40 GMT
Since the Satanic Temple is against spanking, can kids from these states get a religious exemption?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2022 22:20:18 GMT
Is this practice supported by the my body my choice anti-vax keep government out of it pro life people?
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Post by Gem Girl on Dec 1, 2022 22:55:42 GMT
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Post by cmpeter on Dec 1, 2022 22:59:41 GMT
Was there more to his statement. I did not hear him say they were going to start spanking kids in the posted clip. He did say tougher discipline, but didn't say what that meant.
I am 100% against corporal punishment and spanking. I am also 100% against giving FL any of my money.
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Post by Merge on Dec 1, 2022 23:01:14 GMT
Still mad about this thread. Popping back in to say that any educator who thinks that corporal punishment is a good idea, or who would even be willing to hit a frightened child, has no business anywhere near a school. Any person who thinks this is a good idea should never be making education policy. Accuse those of us who handle our students compassionately and gently of being "groomers," but you're willing to pop a kid on the ass, create a pervasive culture of fear, and warp young people into thinking violence solves problems? Get out.
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MerryMom
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Post by MerryMom on Dec 2, 2022 0:14:27 GMT
As many of you know, I have worked in child protective services for almost 30 years now. Physical violence, including “state sanctioned” “corporal punishment” is a HUGE trigger for traumatized children and teens.
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Post by paulao on Dec 2, 2022 0:27:57 GMT
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Post by Merge on Dec 2, 2022 4:46:28 GMT
I just think school districts must have to carry massive amounts of liability insurance for that. What a waste of money to uphold an outdated and barbaric discipline system. I can just imagine parents going from "yeah I signed that form" to "I didn't think you would actually hit my kid when he's a perfect angel and never at fault!" really quickly, with lawsuits soon to follow. DH and I have an umbrella liability policy, and any time we renew or update, after asking my profession, the next thing they ask is if I work in a school that allows corporal punishment.
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Post by Embri on Dec 2, 2022 12:01:45 GMT
What kind of stats/numbers show that spanking is in any way beneficial or a deterrent to 'bad' behavior? I looked at the list of states that allow corporal punishment and all I see is red states with the exception of Colorado. Studies show the exact opposite; corporeal punishment worsens children's outcomes. Beaten children learn to hit, and internalize that harming someone weaker than yourself is acceptable. Only dictators try to rule with fear. And what happens when those children get big enough and strong enough to hit back?
Seriously WTF America. You already have a student violence problem, don't throw more gasoline on the flaming dumpster pile!
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huskergal
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Post by huskergal on Dec 2, 2022 17:39:40 GMT
Oh my fucking hell! I can't believe anyone would encourage corporal punishment. Thank goodness Nebraska banned it.
I was in school when corporal punishment was a thing. Our principal would line up the kids. He called it the show. They would bend over and he hit them with a paddle. We could all watch.
I remember in 4th grade the teacher lined up all the boys in our class out in the hall and made them face the wall. He then paddled them.
I started school at a 3 room country school house. There was no corporal punishment. I was in 2nd grade when we moved, and I started at this new school. Our 2nd grade teacher was a mean old lady that threatened to paddle kids all the time. I was terrified to go to school and often had stomach aches.
Corporal punishment is humiliating. I can't imagine anyone thinking it is a good idea.
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Dec 2, 2022 17:46:58 GMT
Corporal punishment in schools is legal in Missouri, but I don't think my children's school district practiced it. I would never have given my child permission to be hit in school. No f*ing way. I did not hear him say they were going to start spanking kids in the posted clip. He did say tougher discipline, but didn't say what that meant. In the clip in the OP, he said they are going to "have the cheeks of their ass torn off." That just disgusts me! That is not a paddling, which I still think is wrong, but having the cheeks of their ass torn off is a whipping. UGH I too went to school when corporal punishment was common. I went to a Catholic elementary school in the 70s, and those nuns could do pretty much whatever the hell they wanted. I was a very good, quiet kid, and I remember getting my knuckles smacked with a ruler or wooden stick more than once. I don't even remember why. It could be something as simple as your desk being messy or not finishing something fast enough. I got paddled once in middle school by the principal for the horrible offense of chewing gum in class.
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Post by katlady on Dec 2, 2022 17:50:46 GMT
I went to elementary school when paddling was allowed. There was even a paddle hanging in the Principal’s office. But, if he ever used it, it was done in private. We never had a line-up, where he went down the line paddling the kids. Yikes! That is horrible! In Jr/Sr High school I never heard of any corporal punishment, but the schools were a lot bigger than my elementary school so it may or may not have been a thing.
One year, I sat next to a kid who was a trouble maker. The teacher was always throwing erasers at him. He never touched him with his hands though. I never saw a teacher/principal hit a kid with a hard object. I heard from friends when I was in high school that their private elementary schools were more strict and they did hit kids.
By the time my boys were in school, paddling was not allowed. Thank you! I wouldn’t want to send my kids to a school were corporal punishment was allowed.
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