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Post by fkawitchypea on Dec 19, 2022 1:12:21 GMT
I was hesitant to post this but I am not sharing a lot with family and friends right now and I would really like advice. DS (19) has decided that college is not for him. He has been talking about enlisting in the military for a while. He has decided on the Army. He and his recruiter agreed that he needed to finish his current semester in college because he was too far in to withdraw and to obtain the credits that he was working for. Semester was over Friday and he is looking to fast track it. Partially because he is ready and partially (mostly I think) because the government is offering an additional bonus to enlist and leave within 30 days for boot camp. This week he is scheduled to be drug tested and take a written test. After that, he is sign his contract and be ready to leave. They don't start a boot camp class over the holidays so it appears that he would leave mid-January. I have already asked DS to schedule a meeting before signing that I can attend and ask questions. (Is that too much?) I feel like at 19, there are a lot of questions he wouldn't think to ask. I am wondering if any peas have experience here and can advise me what I need to ask, what we should be doing to prepare and basically anything else you think I (and ds) should be aware of during this process.
UPDATE
He made it official today! I took a lot of the advice given and let him do this on his own. And he did it all on his own. Until this week I hadn't even spoken to his recruiter but with an issue with his birth certificate/ss card/passport (a name change) he put his recruiter on speaker with me to work out the issue and get the additional paperwork required. Got a lot of detailed information that was lacking about what he needs to bring and where he needs to be when. He went this morning for his physical and enlisted! I had to pick him up from the recruiter's office today and waited in the car like a good non-helicopter mother but the recruiter came out to meet me. He is required to check into a hotel near the airport Monday but because we are local the recruiter said after check in he can come back home until curfew. He leaves Tuesday after his swearing in! He is very excited but a bit nervous, which is to be expected. The next few days we have a few dinners planned with family and friends. I am anxious of course but happy for him!
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Post by christine58 on Dec 19, 2022 2:15:38 GMT
Honestly he’s an adult and you having a meeting with the recruiter is a little over the top no offense. If you have questions you need answered, let him ask them without you with him. Maybe others here have some ideas of the questions he needs to ask but it sounds like he has thought this out. I don’t think that would give a recruiter a very good impression at all if someone’s mom requested a meeting.
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Post by elaine on Dec 19, 2022 2:18:30 GMT
This may not be the answer you are looking for, but I would let him do this solo. Don’t insist on going to the meeting with the recruiter. Just like you wouldn't go to a job interview with him. He’s 19.
Enlisting in the Army is only at commitment for a few years to begin with (3-4 years), especially since they aren't paying for his college. He isn't signing his life away. And a stint in the Army will look great on his resume, if he decides to get out after one tour.
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Post by fkawitchypea on Dec 19, 2022 2:27:09 GMT
Thank you for that! I am having a hard time letting go.
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Post by scrapngranny on Dec 19, 2022 2:32:13 GMT
My 22 year old grandson just joined the Marines. I’m very happy for him. He’s always had a job and is hard worker, but not really going anywhere. He is really excited, but it almost broke my heart. I’m going to miss him like crazy. He was supposed to leave for boot camp last Sunday. When he got there he had an open burn on his foot, so delayed his start a month. Secretly is was thrilled because that meant he’d be home for Christmas. He will be stationed in San Diego, which is not a bad place to be.
The Marines will be good for him and teach him useable skills. He was working on an almond ranch, which he really enjoyed, but he wanted to farm his own ranch, but can’t afford the land. Getting started in almond farming is very expensive. Depending on how he likes it he might do the full 20 years. He’s looking forward to traveling and I like where he lives now 4 miles from my house. LOL.
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Post by librarylady on Dec 19, 2022 2:37:23 GMT
The recruiters will say anything necessary to get the new recruit to sign on the dotted line.
The recruiter promised my son and his friend the moon and the 2 boys were ready to go. The mother of the other boy shut it down.
A few years passed and our son was still floundering as a young adult. Then on a Sunday he announced that he had something to tell us---he was leaving for the Navy in 2 days. We were stunned. However, I was glad because I knew the military would give him a chance to grow up and perhaps get a focus for his life.
Try to get your son enrolled in a program that will give him a skill he can use in the civilian world.
We were terrified he would be killed in combat, but he didn't, he served his 4 years and got out.
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Post by don on Dec 19, 2022 2:38:18 GMT
Really? MOMMY to take him to his job interview? Is he ready to leave home?
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Post by mom on Dec 19, 2022 2:38:24 GMT
Mom of an Army Soldier who joined at 19.....
DO NOT go with him. Talk to him ahead of time, make a list of questions/things for him to think about. But this needs to be 1000% him. His decision. His research.
Yes -- he needs to finish any classes and get the credit. The more credits, the faster he can move up in rank and get more money.
We had a few months 'notice' of when DS2 went to Boot Camp, and honestly, I would have preferred he just went and got it done. We had a whole bunch of 'hurry up and wait'.
I would suggest he watch every you tube video he can get his hands on that tells him what to expect (not the ones the Army puts out but the ones soldiers put on their own pages). DS2 learned a lot that way - about what to expect in boot camp, his MOS, and ultimately, his duty station.
Is your son ready, mentally and physically? Boot Camp is no joke. Can he go without talking/writing to you for weeks at a time?
Questions to ask:
What's his MOS? Can he change it later if he hates it? With his MOS, where will he be going for AIT? How long will his training be? Contract: many are getting $$ for going....but when will he actually get the money? After Boot Camp? Before?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2022 2:39:19 GMT
Goarmy.com lays it all out. Spend some time exploring that.
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Post by naby64 on Dec 19, 2022 2:40:58 GMT
He had to do this. It's almost the worst thing for moms, and dads too, too step over the child participating.
My YDS knew college was not for him and he joined the Navy. He met with the recruiter and made all the decisions. Of course we had questions. We asked him and he asked the recruiter. His initial contract was 5 active years and 3 reserves. He just recapped a few months ago.
Navy is different than Army but I'm sure military is military. Support his decision. My son told me of several that didn't have their families support. Other families would "adopt" them and send them letters in Boot camp. Sent boxes of goodies during deployments.
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Post by AussieMeg on Dec 19, 2022 2:46:46 GMT
I get that this is a really big deal, and you are feeling anxious about it. But honestly, I am cringing with embarrassment at the idea of mommy requesting a meeting before letting her (adult) son sign up. Please don't do that!
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Post by fkawitchypea on Dec 19, 2022 2:55:21 GMT
Thank you! Great questions to ask and the money questions are really good ones because he is ready to leave tomorrow for the bonus but have no idea when it is paid.
He is definitely ready physically. He was a high school football/wrestler all star. He has been preparing physically for the running. Mentally I am not sure. Because he is a 19 old kid. And thank everyone for reiterating why I should let him do this on his own. I know this in my head so just keep telling me not to be an asshole.
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Post by fkawitchypea on Dec 19, 2022 2:57:09 GMT
Glad ds didn't cringe with embarrassment but just rolled his eyes and said "ok mom".
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Post by lisacharlotte on Dec 19, 2022 3:09:25 GMT
We are a military family. Me, DH, DS, BIL, MIL, FIL. it’s Time to let him start making decisions as an adult. You can go to the army website (link above in another post) and it will answer some questions. An MOS that translates to a civilian job is best (medical, trades). Infantry is okay if he plans to make it a career.
We tried to talk DS out of the Army (we are both AF vets). No way, he WANTED Infantry. Dumb kid. We were lucky, he joined when Afghanistan was the deadliest, and he came home safe.
I loved my time in the military.
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Post by mom on Dec 19, 2022 3:11:55 GMT
Thank you! Great questions to ask and the money questions are really good ones because he is ready to leave tomorrow for the bonus but have no idea when it is paid. He is definitely ready physically. He was a high school football/wrestler all star. He has been preparing physically for the running. Mentally I am not sure. Because he is a 19 old kid. And thank everyone for reiterating why I should let him do this on his own. I know this in my head so just keep telling me not to be an asshole. You've got to quit thinking about him like he is a kid. He's not a kid if he is willing to sign up to defend his country. He's a man. And in 6 months, it is possible he will have a gun in his hand and be on a front line. No, thats not what moms want to think about, but it's our reality. If you treat him like a kid, call him a kid, and see him as a kid, then you aren't doing him any favors. He's an adult who is making adult decisions. I know it's hard --- they are our baby. But from now on, you've got to treat him like an adult and man. So much of his confidence and mental state will come from what he hears you say and how you treat him. Those days in Boot Camp, when he's ran 10 miles, and done pushups for hours and wants to quit, he will think of you and the things you've told him. Treat him like a kid and he will make childish decisions in the face of stress. Treat him like a man and he will raise to the occasion. I know this is harsh, but truly this is the best advice I can give -- cut the apron strings. Because after Bootcamp, comes AIT training, then his duty stations and more than likely, he wont be stationed any where near you. Army Mom life is not for sissies, thats for sure. It's lots of unknown, praying they are asking the right questions and doing the right things. But you just have to trust that they are prepared.
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Post by Basket1lady on Dec 19, 2022 3:17:29 GMT
Not a mom of a soldier, but the wife of one (but AF) for 32 years. DH officially retires on January 1.
DH spent 2 years as the commander of a recruiting squadron. They aren't allowed to lie, but pay attention to the verbiage. Nothing is true until it's in writing. If his scores are good, push for everything he can get. Numbers are down and they need recruits, but I'm not current on where the needs are. IMO, the AF has the best quality of life. Less physically demanding and more family friendly. But you need good test scores--they are the pickiest of the services. He can visit all the services' recruiters and see what they are offering.
Like most things in life, your DS will get out of it what he puts into it. If he pays attention, works the checklists and the system, he can get a lot out of it. Education=advancement. Take any certifications and education that he can get for free. Don't buy a brand new expensive truck. Money doesn't go as far as you think and I've seen a lot of soldiers living in the dorms who buy expensive vehicles and then can't afford life when they move into a house or apartment of their own.
Be supportive. Write letters, be available for phone calls, send care packages. This has the potential to be a very good thing!
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Post by mom on Dec 19, 2022 3:23:30 GMT
Not a mom of a soldier, but the wife of one (but AF) for 32 years. DH officially retires on January 1. DH spent 2 years as the commander of a recruiting squadron. They aren't allowed to lie, but pay attention to the verbiage. Nothing is true until it's in writing. If his scores are good, push for everything he can get. Numbers are down and they need recruits, but I'm not current on where the needs are. IMO, the AF has the best quality of life. Less physically demanding and more family friendly. But you need good test scores--they are the pickiest of the services. He can visit all the services' recruiters and see what they are offering. Like most things in life, your DS will get out of it what he puts into it. If he pays attention, works the checklists and the system, he can get a lot out of it. Education=advancement. Take any certifications and education that he can get for free. Don't buy a brand new expensive truck. Money doesn't go as far as you think and I've seen a lot of soldiers living in the dorms who buy expensive vehicles and then can't afford life when they move into a house or apartment of their own. Be supportive. Write letters, be available for phone calls, send care packages. This has the potential to be a very good thing! Ohhh yes! This is good. They will absolutely tell you want you want to hear. But if its not written in his contract, then its not happening.
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Post by naby64 on Dec 19, 2022 3:25:28 GMT
Write letters every day. Send photos of pets. Tell him what is going on in town. Give him sports scores. You can cry but it's best to not cry in front of him.
Learn not to make plans. They will always have a chance of changing. Learn that holidays are just dates on a calendar. When he home on leave, celebrate it all.
Mine just got home today. This will be the first Christmas we've had him home in 5 yrs. Hug him tight. Tell him you're so proud of him.
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Post by Basket1lady on Dec 19, 2022 3:29:57 GMT
Just thought of another plus in the AF column--deployments are often shorter and in more populated areas. Exercises are often tent lodging, but most others are in a hotel or short term apartment. Especially if he's in it for the long term--a tent sucks when you are a 55 year old man! (or even 35 years old.)
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Post by fkawitchypea on Dec 19, 2022 3:34:25 GMT
Enjoy your time with him! I hope you have an amazing Christmas!
I really appreciate all of the advice and the tough love. Keep it coming!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2022 3:59:36 GMT
Well, I'll be voice of dissent and say if DS is open and willing to let you go with him to meet with the recruiter, I don't think it's too big of a deal. There is a pretty big disconnect between recruiters and anyone else after that and honestly, a 2nd set of eyes to look over the contract is good. Know that those contracts are (at least partially) negotiable. And if there is anything he questions or is uncertain about, don't sign until he understands it and is ready. There are some good bonuses and worth going for! I was the mommy that had to come along to the recruiter since my DD enlisted at 17. She is ARNG though, so same experience through boot camp and AIT although now she's mostly civilian life unless her unit is called up. What's different is when that happens, she is generally gone for a year, so longer deployment. And she is waiting to hear if she gets called up in January, thankfully its a mobilization in the US, though. She also has a 6-year contract, so longer commitment to serve. She has had up's and down's but she is in a little rougher male-dominated MOS. She doesn't regret it and she has found a good support system, thankfully.
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Post by Country Ham on Dec 19, 2022 4:38:42 GMT
I don't share anything personal about myself as a general rule. My son signed up for the coastguard while he was still 17 but did turn 18 before he took his final oath and signed the contract. Thing is, they encouraged our involvement even after his 18th birthday. My husband attended every meeting at the recruiter's office and the recruiter made sure to ask if my husband had any questions, but neither of us went into the MEPS building. We couldn't watch him swear in because of COVID restrictions. The recruiter took a video for us though. The day we dropped him off at the hotel was hard and made us very proud. He checked in the hotel, said his goodbyes and the military picks them up by bus at 5am the next morning and it's the military that transported him to the airport for Cape May, NJ and bootcamp.
One thing attending that very first meeting with the recruiter when my son was 17 was just seeing how mature our kiddo really was. My husband sat off to the side and said he was proud of the questions that my son asked etc.
The hardest thing is not having him at home for holidays but I am so stupid proud of him.
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Post by Jennifer C on Dec 19, 2022 5:25:28 GMT
My dh was in the Navy. He suggests that you stay home but that you let your son know that the recruiter would say anything to get him to sign. The only things that are true are what he will write on paper. In the military, if it's not on paper it didn't happen.
Dh says that they aren't lying but stretching the truth.
Jennifer
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Post by mom2kbs on Dec 19, 2022 6:08:09 GMT
Navy mom here. We went to the recruiter and asked a lot of questions. My son is in a very difficult job with a very very hard school and pipeline. The minimum time is 6 years active 2 years reserve. I needed to know he was sure about that time commitment. I wanted him to hear everything he needed to hear and make sure he was not being take advantage of to meet a recruitment requirement. Nothing is final until it is in writing. Don't let him sign anything until it is exactly what he wants. They will push but have him hold out. Can I say get everything in writing again.
I did a lot of research online before we went. His recruiter actually invited us to come in and ask all the questions we wanted. He had two. They were so surprised to have anyone come in with a family as typically he said kids were joining to get away from their family or they did not have any family. I wanted to know about the bonuses and how the Navy training/schooling would transfer to college. I wanted to know he was asking the right questions and truly committed to this. He was. I was not excited for this path as I really felt the recruiter was pushing him and not listening. Going in with him and seeing how he handled himself helped me feel better about his decision. I saw that he was ready.
It is very very hard to let them go but I am very proud of my son. He is not making the navy a career, he wanted the experience and schooling.
Be prepared to not know a lot of information, to be happy with any communication and know that when they come home, they want down time. They want to sleep, eat, shower and not share space with people. They really don't have time alone. Be prepared to not have them for any holidays, vacations etc. For leave times mine always has the holidays on. He isn't married and no kids so he works so others can be with their families. Send packages of their favorite things when you can.
Get a military phone plan so when they are deployed or stationed out of the country you aren't paying a fortune.
Join mom groups on facebook etc. Those were lifesavers through bootcamp and deployments. My son is always surprised at how much I know about what is going on even when we haven't talked. Get a power of attorney in place. Learn the abbreviations etc. Talk about money and budgeting. I think every military mom should read Be Safe, Love Mom. She has 4 kids and a spouse serving. I follow her social media too. She reminds you that it is better to not watch the news etc when you kid is deployed. Something happened in an area where my son was and I had no idea until numerous people called me. Thankfully he was safe. We have also learned that most things reported about military etc are not correct. Again, remember no news is good news.
He should be working on his fitness to be prepared for bootcamp. He should get a passport now so he is ready when he needs it.
Finally, be proud of the decision he has made. You will make it. It will be hard but you will learn a new way of supporting your kid. PM me anytime!
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Post by pajamamama on Dec 19, 2022 6:19:13 GMT
We are also a military family, my DS got back from Basic in August, and went back to school. He does what they call split option and will do AIT next summer. PLEASE tell your son to be careful of what the recruiters promise, especially bonuses for signing with the most dangerous jobs, infantry, etc. We are so proud of our artillery guy! Don't go with him... he'll never hear the end of it! Others have given great advice, have him ask a ton of questions, and get it all in writing. My DH retired after 25 years in the PA nat'l guard and only 1 active duty deployment for Operation Enduring Freedom. Good luck!
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 19, 2022 8:00:54 GMT
Really? MOMMY to take him to his job interview? Is he ready to leave home? No need to be a dick about it.
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Post by YooHoot on Dec 19, 2022 10:31:50 GMT
My advice is to find someone that is currently serving in the Army (or any branch if you can’t find Army). They will offer the best advice, tips etc to your son. I think recruiters can and will gloss over things to make it more appealing and leave out the tough parts. Not saying recruiters are sketchy, but it’s normal to make it seem better than it is when you are trying to convince someone to sign the dotted line.
Above all, I’m thankful for your son and his willingness to serve his country.
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Post by malibou on Dec 19, 2022 11:47:55 GMT
Another saying let him handle it on his own. And definitely have him finish his college courses. That will make promoting a bit faster.
I joined the Army at 17. My parents had to sign for me because I wasn't 18 yet. I took the paper home and they signed it. The recruiters will tell you what you want to hear to get you to sign, but just because they said it, doesn't mean it made it into the contract. Your Ds needs to make sure he reads it carefully.
I joined with my best friend. We had very similar MOS. The recruiter knew he had to get us both to sign, or neither of us would. My main reason for joining was because my parents had told me there was no money to send me to college and I was going to college come hell or high water. We were promised a generous Army education fund. They would contribute $5 for every $1 we saved. No cap had been discussed. When went to sign our contracts, they separated us. I carefully read thru my contract, but my friend didn't. My contract was written correctly and I had no cap on how much I could save. She signed a contract that actually only gave her $3 for every $1 she saved and she got capped $70,000. When she realized what happened they just shrugged. I ended up with a huge education fund.
Bottom line read carefully before signing!
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Post by peasapie on Dec 19, 2022 12:09:42 GMT
I think he should speak with some recent military folks before enlisting. I know of people who asked for and were promised specific things, like types of training for example, whether eligible for special enlistment programs or bonuses. They don’t have to offer this info and he shouldn’t leave this off the table. (My ex got full training in electronics and specifically was promised experience in filming, which he received. When he came out he got a job immediately at tv station.). Recruiters can do that, and he should think seriously about benefits he’d like to ask for. (They can always say no and he’s none the worse for asking, but why not try.).
Don’t go with him but help him do research before he goes so he is fully prepared. And let him speak with recent military for extra advice.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Dec 19, 2022 12:23:36 GMT
I guess I don’t see much difference between going on a college visit with a kid and a parent asking questions and a parent and child having a meeting with the recruiter. Sure, he is a few years older now but there are still some similarities.
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