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Post by Lurkingpea on Jan 29, 2023 20:36:50 GMT
Was it actually the tour other pea linked? Then I wouldn't have problem. At 13 I wouldn't expect parents to hand out invites to parents. That would have stopped in primary school. In Middle School and High School invites would go through kids. Regarding the bitchy peas being bitches, nothing new. They are always right. And have to explain themselves in the rudest way. Ignore them. Plenty of other peas respectfully disagreed with you. Their posts might be worth rereading.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 29, 2023 20:37:09 GMT
Well, Denver is ranked #3 for homelessness. This is…you need to unpack this and work on your assumptions.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jan 29, 2023 20:40:44 GMT
I have typed a response to this post 4 times now and deleted because I feel no matter what I say reads as snarky. And I don't mean it that way. But as a working mother who was pretty poor at times, I was forced to get comfortable with my children having a level of independence living in less than desirable areas. I don't often post on child safety threads because it often reads like some have very limited experiences but it can read like a put down to others who've been forced to make choices that others have had the privilege of not having to make. Get involved in your communities. These neighborhoods where your child isn't allowed to go with a cellphone, parents, at 6:30 on Sunday night have children forced to live there.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 29, 2023 20:42:54 GMT
Was it actually the tour other pea linked? Then I wouldn't have problem. At 13 I wouldn't expect parents to hand out invites to parents. That would have stopped in primary school. In Middle School and High School invites would go through kids. Regarding the bitchy peas being bitches, nothing new. They are always right. And have to explain themselves in the rudest way. Ignore them. Plenty of other peas respectfully disagreed with you. Their posts might be worth rereading. yes the tour is self guided on an app, no employees, so walking 2.6 miles from library, to capitol to Molly brown house, etc.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 29, 2023 20:46:51 GMT
But from what the OP said, it's not clear that the kids will be supervised. When my kids have been a part of scavenger hunts like this, they were split into small groups to go out and look for things. I would not be okay with a group of kids alone. Just because they parents will be there, doesn't mean they will all be supervised. What if there are 5 groups of kids, and one set of parents? If it is one group of kids, and one set of parents, that is different. Maybe the scavenger hunt is different than what my kids have taken part it, when the goal was to see who could make it back to the beginning having found all of the things on the list first. That's why I said I would call and clarify before I told my kid no. I would definitely be okay with it if all the kids are supervised. I would not be okay with a group of 13 year olds walking around a city, even for an hour in the dark, unsupervised. I’m the mom of a 13 yo currently. The way the OP reacted is 100% the exact opposite of the way I would have reacted. And I can’t get over your “and in the cold” comment 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 If only humans had invented some sort of portable thing we could put on to keep us warm when we go outside, like, oh I don’t know…a coat? My kids went to an Amazing Race birthday party in downtown Dallas. They split up in teams of 2 (just like on the show) and had to navigate using a map to get to different spots and complete road blocks and detours. It was awesome. But it was hot instead of cold because Texas, so I guess that makes it less scary for the snowflakes? I don’t know. I don’t know what the temps are in Denver but there definitely are temps where it would be too cold to safely do this. Here in MN kids don’t go out for recess if it is below 0. So I wouldn’t expect a bunch of teens to be thrilled about being out in those types of temps. But I’m guessing that was probably not the case in this situation. Or if it was that cold maybe they ended up changing plans anyway.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Jan 29, 2023 20:49:45 GMT
Was it actually the tour other pea linked? Then I wouldn't have problem. At 13 I wouldn't expect parents to hand out invites to parents. That would have stopped in primary school. In Middle School and High School invites would go through kids. Regarding the bitchy peas being bitches, nothing new. They are always right. And have to explain themselves in the rudest way. Ignore them. Plenty of other peas respectfully disagreed with you. Their posts might be worth rereading. yes the tour is self guided on an app, no employees, so walking 2.6 miles from library, to capitol to Molly brown house, etc. I didn't follow link. I assumed it was adult led. If it was unguided and kids would be dividing up and unsupervised I might have problem. One of my kids would have been allowed to go. One wouldn't. At 13 one kid was sensible and responsible. At 13 other kid was not. Both are good adults. One matured and developed common sense later then other.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 29, 2023 20:51:09 GMT
So would those of you giving shit to the OP be okay with your 13 year old walking around downtown Denver, or any big city, at night, in the cold? Because I sure wouldn't. . On an organized tour with adults? Yes of course I would. The peas are sounding like crazy country yokels afraid of the big, bad city. And now we’re also afraid of the cold? Says the person who lives in Texas. 🙄 I just looked online and the temperature today, right now, during the day in Denver is 4° with a feels like temperature of -9° with a wind chill advisory. Night time temperatures tend to be even lower. I speak from experience when I say that those are not comfortable temperatures to spend a lot of time walking around outside in.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 29, 2023 20:52:39 GMT
Well, Denver is ranked #3 for homelessness. As I was saying. I mean, honestly, it takes a lot to get me to snark at someone else on here, but while you are definitely welcome to make your own decisions about what you are comfortable having your own child do, the fact that there are homeless people in a city (and mine has a higher rate than yours) does not mean that it is weird that people have kids in said city or take them out of the house in it. Did you read snyder's comment? It's a known problem area.
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Post by Zee on Jan 29, 2023 20:53:05 GMT
So would those of you giving shit to the OP be okay with your 13 year old walking around downtown Denver, or any big city, at night, in the cold? Because I sure wouldn't. I probably would have called and asked if each scavenger hunt group would have an adult with them before I didn't let my child go. I can't imagine who would think a group of possibly unsupervised middle schoolers walking around for two hours at night in the middle of a big city is okay. Yes, we did that in Chicago in the winter. When I was 13, there would have been an adult since I couldn't drive. When I was 17 it was just me and a friend. As far as the cold, kids that grow up in cold areas don't think twice about that. Put on a coat and boots. It's not Antarctica. Some areas are truly not good, so that's why it's important to know where you're going, but I don't think organized ghost hunts are set up in homeless camps. I could very well be wrong since as I said I've only been to Denver once.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 29, 2023 20:58:01 GMT
So would those of you giving shit to the OP be okay with your 13 year old walking around downtown Denver, or any big city, at night, in the cold? Because I sure wouldn't. I probably would have called and asked if each scavenger hunt group would have an adult with them before I didn't let my child go. I can't imagine who would think a group of possibly unsupervised middle schoolers walking around for two hours at night in the middle of a big city is okay. Yes, we did that in Chicago in the winter. When I was 13, there would have been an adult since I couldn't drive. When I was 17 it was just me and a friend. As far as the cold, kids that grow up in cold areas don't think twice about that. Put on a coat and boots. It's not Antarctica. Some areas are truly not good, so that's why it's important to know where you're going, but I don't think organized ghost hunts are set up in homeless camps. I could very well be wrong since as I said I've only been to Denver once. It's a self-guided hunt on an app, so walking potentially where the protests occurred at the capitol.
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Post by 950nancy on Jan 29, 2023 21:01:40 GMT
Knowing the area, I wouldn't have been a fan. I think it is a great idea though for another area. In the invite, maybe they could have mentioned the coverage of other adults if any.
As a parent, I would have had to drive my kid to the drop off and would have gotten out of my vehicle and at the very least introduced myself and gotten some specifics if I felt uncomfortable or if my kid had not mentioned the specifics.
Downtown Denver. Love the place. Not so much for walking around with kids after dark for 2 hours though.
As a teacher who took her kids on school field trips in the area... lots of human trafficking to be very aware of and we were there during the day and went straight into the the buildings.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 29, 2023 21:17:21 GMT
So would those of you giving shit to the OP be okay with your 13 year old walking around downtown Denver, or any big city, at night, in the cold? Because I sure wouldn't. I probably would have called and asked if each scavenger hunt group would have an adult with them before I didn't let my child go. I can't imagine who would think a group of possibly unsupervised middle schoolers walking around for two hours at night in the middle of a big city is okay. Yes, we did that in Chicago in the winter. When I was 13, there would have been an adult since I couldn't drive. When I was 17 it was just me and a friend. As far as the cold, kids that grow up in cold areas don't think twice about that. Put on a coat and boots. It's not Antarctica.Some areas are truly not good, so that's why it's important to know where you're going, but I don't think organized ghost hunts are set up in homeless camps. I could very well be wrong since as I said I've only been to Denver once. As the parent of a similarly aged kid who lives in a place with very cold weather, I can attest that (some? Many? Most?) kids that age just don’t have any sense when it comes to stuff like this. I’m constantly telling my kid to put a hat in her backpack, do you have gloves in your coat pockets, etc. because she will routinely leave the house without those things, even when it’s really freaking cold. Her school bus has slipped off the road and into the ditch before on the way to school and it took almost an hour to get another bus out to them to get them to school, and even after that she still hasn’t learned that she needs to be prepared. These kids also don’t think twice about wearing shorts or thin leggings or similarly inappropriate clothing for the weather no matter how damn cold it is. I can’t tell you how many times she would leave the house wearing a lined sweatshirt when she really needs an actual coat. Kids that age are dumb! Even mine! I can’t believe what I see some of these kids wearing when they are sitting outside in the winter for their rides when I go to pick up my kid after school activities. It’s crazy. Frostbite is a thing here and the people on the news continually caution that you can get frostbite in less than 10-15 minutes under certain cold/windy conditions. It’s not always as simple as putting on a hat or a coat, especially if you’re a kid who’s trying to look cool in front of their friends.
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Post by Zee on Jan 29, 2023 21:48:25 GMT
Yes, we did that in Chicago in the winter. When I was 13, there would have been an adult since I couldn't drive. When I was 17 it was just me and a friend. As far as the cold, kids that grow up in cold areas don't think twice about that. Put on a coat and boots. It's not Antarctica.Some areas are truly not good, so that's why it's important to know where you're going, but I don't think organized ghost hunts are set up in homeless camps. I could very well be wrong since as I said I've only been to Denver once. As the parent of a similarly aged kid who lives in a place with very cold weather, I can attest that (some? Many? Most?) kids that age just don’t have any sense when it comes to stuff like this. I’m constantly telling my kid to put a hat in her backpack, do you have gloves in your coat pockets, etc. because she will routinely leave the house without those things, even when it’s really freaking cold. Her school bus has slipped off the road and into the ditch before on the way to school and it took almost an hour to get another bus out to them to get them to school, and even after that she still hasn’t learned that she needs to be prepared. These kids also don’t think twice about wearing shorts or thin leggings or similarly inappropriate clothing for the weather no matter how damn cold it is. I can’t tell you how many times she would leave the house wearing a lined sweatshirt when she really needs an actual coat. Kids that age are dumb! Even mine! I can’t believe what I see some of these kids wearing when they are sitting outside in the winter for their rides when I go to pick up my kid after school activities. It’s crazy. Frostbite is a thing here and the people on the news continually caution that you can get frostbite in less than 10-15 minutes under certain cold/windy conditions. It’s not always as simple as putting on a hat or a coat, especially if you’re a kid who’s trying to look cool in front of their friends. I grew up in Illinois/Iowa and all through the winter of 8th grade I refused to wear more than a jean jacket and flats. Kids are smarter than that today, they wear coats and hats and boots! And even if they don't, they'll be in civilization and can find shelter! Yes it really is that simple for a two-hour walking outing. WE don't like getting cold because we're old. Is anyone saying no to this just because they really think their kid will get frostbite? For real?
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Post by tmarschall on Jan 29, 2023 21:51:09 GMT
Well, Denver is ranked #3 for homelessness. So we've decided that homeless people are aggressive and violent now? Despite "everyone" having some anecdotal story about someone banging on their window or car hood (me too) there is no correlation that being unhoused makes one violent. Or that many who are unhoused and are mentally ill and/or addicts are violent/dangerous. Most of these people are just trying to survive (in between being "run off") to be distracted by some adolescents running around trying to identify haunted places on a list. Listen, (general you) send your kid or don't. Get some information about events like this to either put your mind at ease or to decide this isn't a good fit for your kid or your family's rules. But can we not demonize a group of people just trying to live? If you think your kid is too fragile to exist without a coat at a 3 hr birthday party, think about these folks who are sleeping out there.
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Post by calgaryscrapper on Jan 29, 2023 22:00:31 GMT
Just thought I would chime in. I went down a rabbit hole,lol, learning about the history of Molly Brown
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Post by snyder on Jan 29, 2023 22:07:42 GMT
Well, Denver is ranked #3 for homelessness. So we've decided that homeless people are aggressive and violent now? Despite "everyone" having some anecdotal story about someone banging on their window or car hood (me too) there is no correlation that being unhoused makes one violent. Or that many who are unhoused and are mentally ill and/or addicts are violent/dangerous. Most of these people are just trying to survive (in between being "run off") to be distracted by some adolescents running around trying to identify haunted places on a list. Listen, (general you) send your kid or don't. Get some information about events like this to either put your mind at ease or to decide this isn't a good fit for your kid or your family's rules. But can we not demonize a group of people just trying to live? If you think your kid is too fragile to exist without a coat at a 3 hr birthday party, think about these folks who are sleeping out there. Sorry you felt that I demonized a group of people, but like in other groups, one bad apple spoils it for the rest. I agree, many are just trying to survive, but that still does not mean I'm going to walk amoung them because I do fear the many drunk and drugged ones that are wanting money. I use to work in downtown Colorado Springs and walked several blocks from the parking structure to my building encountering homeless that I gave money too, but they were not in camps of 500 or more with half of them or more high as a kite.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 29, 2023 22:10:08 GMT
Just thought I would chime in. I went down a rabbit hole,lol, learning about the history of Molly Brown I had a work banquet at the Molly Brown house and they gave an excellent presentation. Did you read about the tunnels used during prohibition and the tunnel connected to the church, so clergy would use them?
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 29, 2023 22:16:48 GMT
Well, Denver is ranked #3 for homelessness. So we've decided that homeless people are aggressive and violent now? Despite "everyone" having some anecdotal story about someone banging on their window or car hood (me too) there is no correlation that being unhoused makes one violent. Or that many who are unhoused and are mentally ill and/or addicts are violent/dangerous. Most of these people are just trying to survive (in between being "run off") to be distracted by some adolescents running around trying to identify haunted places on a list. Listen, (general you) send your kid or don't. Get some information about events like this to either put your mind at ease or to decide this isn't a good fit for your kid or your family's rules. But can we not demonize a group of people just trying to live? If you think your kid is too fragile to exist without a coat at a 3 hr birthday party, think about these folks who are sleeping out there. I just gave you a statistic. It's a known problem area. Why would I put my kid in that situation?
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 29, 2023 22:47:28 GMT
As the parent of a similarly aged kid who lives in a place with very cold weather, I can attest that (some? Many? Most?) kids that age just don’t have any sense when it comes to stuff like this. I’m constantly telling my kid to put a hat in her backpack, do you have gloves in your coat pockets, etc. because she will routinely leave the house without those things, even when it’s really freaking cold. Her school bus has slipped off the road and into the ditch before on the way to school and it took almost an hour to get another bus out to them to get them to school, and even after that she still hasn’t learned that she needs to be prepared. These kids also don’t think twice about wearing shorts or thin leggings or similarly inappropriate clothing for the weather no matter how damn cold it is. I can’t tell you how many times she would leave the house wearing a lined sweatshirt when she really needs an actual coat. Kids that age are dumb! Even mine! I can’t believe what I see some of these kids wearing when they are sitting outside in the winter for their rides when I go to pick up my kid after school activities. It’s crazy. Frostbite is a thing here and the people on the news continually caution that you can get frostbite in less than 10-15 minutes under certain cold/windy conditions. It’s not always as simple as putting on a hat or a coat, especially if you’re a kid who’s trying to look cool in front of their friends. I grew up in Illinois/Iowa and all through the winter of 8th grade I refused to wear more than a jean jacket and flats. Kids are smarter than that today, they wear coats and hats and boots! And even if they don't, they'll be in civilization and can find shelter! Yes it really is that simple for a two-hour walking outing. WE don't like getting cold because we're old. Is anyone saying no to this just because they really think their kid will get frostbite? For real? Yes, Cherry Creek Schools have had a snow day called for extreme temps and could potentially on Tuesday.
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Post by used2scrap on Jan 29, 2023 23:09:01 GMT
Having a plan to pivot from the colder than usual temps seems well thought out to me. 🤷♀️
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Post by tmarschall on Jan 29, 2023 23:12:06 GMT
So we've decided that homeless people are aggressive and violent now? Despite "everyone" having some anecdotal story about someone banging on their window or car hood (me too) there is no correlation that being unhoused makes one violent. Or that many who are unhoused and are mentally ill and/or addicts are violent/dangerous. Most of these people are just trying to survive (in between being "run off") to be distracted by some adolescents running around trying to identify haunted places on a list. Listen, (general you) send your kid or don't. Get some information about events like this to either put your mind at ease or to decide this isn't a good fit for your kid or your family's rules. But can we not demonize a group of people just trying to live? If you think your kid is too fragile to exist without a coat at a 3 hr birthday party, think about these folks who are sleeping out there. I just gave you a statistic. It's a known problem area. Why would I put my kid in that situation? Being ranked number 3 means there are many homeless people, right? Of course that creates a problem, but the problem in this situation is that you think it's unsafe, right? And I'm telling you that homeless people as a group are not aggressive or violent. There are exceptions, but your kid's friends parent or sibling could also be violent, and I'd rather my kid was in public with appropriate supervision than in some other kid's basement. Why would you knowingly put your kid around a group of homeless people? Well, it's not relevant to the birthday party, but maybe you'd consider trying to help...bring sandwiches or blankets, serve a meal at a shelter. You might both learn how we are all a handful of circumstances away from homelessness.
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Post by tmarschall on Jan 29, 2023 23:15:23 GMT
So we've decided that homeless people are aggressive and violent now? Despite "everyone" having some anecdotal story about someone banging on their window or car hood (me too) there is no correlation that being unhoused makes one violent. Or that many who are unhoused and are mentally ill and/or addicts are violent/dangerous. Most of these people are just trying to survive (in between being "run off") to be distracted by some adolescents running around trying to identify haunted places on a list. Listen, (general you) send your kid or don't. Get some information about events like this to either put your mind at ease or to decide this isn't a good fit for your kid or your family's rules. But can we not demonize a group of people just trying to live? If you think your kid is too fragile to exist without a coat at a 3 hr birthday party, think about these folks who are sleeping out there. Sorry you felt that I demonized a group of people, but like in other groups, one bad apple spoils it for the rest. I agree, many are just trying to survive, but that still does not mean I'm going to walk amoung them because I do fear the many drunk and drugged ones that are wanting money. I use to work in downtown Colorado Springs and walked several blocks from the parking structure to my building encountering homeless that I gave money too, but they were not in camps of 500 or more with half of them or more high as a kite. Well, yes, I think you are definitely painting a very diverse group of people with one broad negative brush. And sorry, I hardly think the birthday group was marching through the homeless camp holding up their skirts as they step over bodies of people overdosed on the sidewalk.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 29, 2023 23:29:45 GMT
As the parent of a similarly aged kid who lives in a place with very cold weather, I can attest that (some? Many? Most?) kids that age just don’t have any sense when it comes to stuff like this. I’m constantly telling my kid to put a hat in her backpack, do you have gloves in your coat pockets, etc. because she will routinely leave the house without those things, even when it’s really freaking cold. Her school bus has slipped off the road and into the ditch before on the way to school and it took almost an hour to get another bus out to them to get them to school, and even after that she still hasn’t learned that she needs to be prepared. These kids also don’t think twice about wearing shorts or thin leggings or similarly inappropriate clothing for the weather no matter how damn cold it is. I can’t tell you how many times she would leave the house wearing a lined sweatshirt when she really needs an actual coat. Kids that age are dumb! Even mine! I can’t believe what I see some of these kids wearing when they are sitting outside in the winter for their rides when I go to pick up my kid after school activities. It’s crazy. Frostbite is a thing here and the people on the news continually caution that you can get frostbite in less than 10-15 minutes under certain cold/windy conditions. It’s not always as simple as putting on a hat or a coat, especially if you’re a kid who’s trying to look cool in front of their friends. I grew up in Illinois/Iowa and all through the winter of 8th grade I refused to wear more than a jean jacket and flats. Kids are smarter than that today, they wear coats and hats and boots! And even if they don't, they'll be in civilization and can find shelter! Yes it really is that simple for a two-hour walking outing. WE don't like getting cold because we're old. Is anyone saying no to this just because they really think their kid will get frostbite? For real? Kids really are not smarter than that. I live in MN and my kids all refuse to wear what I would consider to be appropriate clothing for the weather. If they were going to be outside several hours maybe. But it is pretty common to see middle schoolers wearing hoodies instead of coats, no gloves, etc. At those temps even a regular winter coat isn’t going to cut it. I typically wear a lighter wool type coat and no hat or gloves when I’m just driving. But when I take the dog out I wear my long parka, hat, gloves and warm boots. It makes a huge difference. But I don’t see teens dressing like that for a birthday party walking around downtown. I’m actually wondering if they ended up changing their plans in the end if the weather was too cold. I’m not sure how much of this ghost hunt would be indoors, though? Just yesterday we left for basketball at 6:30am and it was about -14 with windchill in the -30’s. My son was wearing a hoodie and his basketball shorts. When I opened the garage door he commented about the cold, but quickly said “I’m not afraid of the cold” and got in the car. I told him to bring Warner clothes along in case of emergency but he didn’t put them on. And that was what most of the kids were wearing when they walked into the building.
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Post by snyder on Jan 29, 2023 23:38:07 GMT
Sorry you felt that I demonized a group of people, but like in other groups, one bad apple spoils it for the rest. I agree, many are just trying to survive, but that still does not mean I'm going to walk amoung them because I do fear the many drunk and drugged ones that are wanting money. I use to work in downtown Colorado Springs and walked several blocks from the parking structure to my building encountering homeless that I gave money too, but they were not in camps of 500 or more with half of them or more high as a kite. Well, yes, I think you are definitely painting a very diverse group of people with one broad negative brush. And sorry, I hardly think the birthday group was marching through the homeless camp holding up their skirts as they step over bodies of people overdosed on the sidewalk. Guess you need to be there to see it. They are practically on the capitol steps and that is where the kids were to be dropped off. I think what most people are missing this to be a particular unique area that has had troubles for eons. Rapes, murders, slashings, etc. Most homeless places I would not think twice walking by but not this particular one. Sorry you're being so narrow minded and accusing me of being sterotypical. I have been praised on my non-bias ways and my patience for tolerance, my apathy of the underdog, and decencty to mankind. I think you are doing the same thing by sayhing that about me, you are painting me in a bad way.
For years, my brother bought donuts and coffee and handed them out to the homeless on the downtown streets of Denver. When he passed, the head of Bus Stop Ministries commended him at his funeral for saving the lives of over 400 homeless by doing what he did. We are not afraid of homeless, just that particular spot.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 29, 2023 23:40:07 GMT
Having a plan to pivot from the colder than usual temps seems well thought out to me. 🤷♀️ why drive down to the Denver Public Library, about a 40 minute drive from where the host lives and then decide to go bowling because it's too cold?
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Post by busy on Jan 29, 2023 23:40:59 GMT
This thread is a trip. We're talking about 13 year old middle schoolers, right? Not third graders. I don't think my son has been to a party that wasn't a "drop off party" since he was in fourth or fifth grade. I can't imagine sending invites to his birthday party to his friends' parents. Kids invite each other - we're just transportation and banks at this point.
When I was that age, I took a school trip from Seattle to Washington, D.C. Thirty kids and two adult chaperones. Through airports, public transportation, endless walking around the city during the day and at night, taking the subway, including at night. And we all survived and had a great time. Weather wasn't great but we know how clothes work and no one died of exposure. I went to college in MN, I know cold weather. There were always the stupid guys who refused to wear pants all year, and were in shorts even with it was way way sub-zero. They were idiots but never got frostbite because they were going between buildings and not out for extended periods.
I’ve also taken my son to multiple protests. We’re smart about it but I care about social issues, want him to, and don’t think he should be raised in a suburban bubble. We leave our Leave it to Beaver enclave and show him the real world.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 29, 2023 23:49:51 GMT
I just gave you a statistic. It's a known problem area. Why would I put my kid in that situation? Being ranked number 3 means there are many homeless people, right? Of course that creates a problem, but the problem in this situation is that you think it's unsafe, right? And I'm telling you that homeless people as a group are not aggressive or violent. There are exceptions, but your kid's friends parent or sibling could also be violent, and I'd rather my kid was in public with appropriate supervision than in some other kid's basement. Why would you knowingly put your kid around a group of homeless people? Well, it's not relevant to the birthday party, but maybe you'd consider trying to help...bring sandwiches or blankets, serve a meal at a shelter. You might both learn how we are all a handful of circumstances away from homelessness. it is relevant to the birthday party as I dont think it was an appropriate place for my kid to be walking around on a Saturday night. You have no idea of what I have done for the homeless. I'm pointing out that this spot in Denver is problematic. Look at the data.
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Post by busy on Jan 29, 2023 23:50:48 GMT
In 2022, 7th/8th graders need a parent to help them cross the street? depends on the street and point was that the parent said he was supervising and did not. Really? There are streets you would not trust a middle schooler to cross? Have some more faith in the children you’ve raised over the preceding decade plus.
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samantha25
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 29, 2023 23:53:30 GMT
This thread is a trip. We're talking about 13 year old middle schoolers, right? Not third graders. I don't think my son has been to a party that wasn't a "drop off party" since he was in fourth or fifth grade. I can't imagine sending invites to his birthday party to his friends' parents. Kids invite each other - we're just transportation and banks at this point. When I was that age, I took a school trip from Seattle to Washington, D.C. Thirty kids and two adult chaperones. Through airports, public transportation, endless walking around the city during the day and at night, taking the subway, including at night. And we all survived and had a great time. Weather wasn't great but we know how clothes work and no one died of exposure. I went to college in MN, I know cold weather. There were always the stupid guys who refused to wear pants all year, and were in shorts even with it was way way sub-zero. They were idiots but never got frostbite because they were going between buildings and not out for extended periods. I’ve also taken my son to multiple protests. We’re smart about it but I care about social issues, want him to, and don’t think he should be raised in a suburban bubble. We leave our Leave it to Beaver enclave and show him the real world. In your day and time, which was 20 years ago? It's different times now. Yes, exactly, you were there with your child for a protest, supervised.
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Post by busy on Jan 29, 2023 23:56:51 GMT
This thread is a trip. We're talking about 13 year old middle schoolers, right? Not third graders. I don't think my son has been to a party that wasn't a "drop off party" since he was in fourth or fifth grade. I can't imagine sending invites to his birthday party to his friends' parents. Kids invite each other - we're just transportation and banks at this point. When I was that age, I took a school trip from Seattle to Washington, D.C. Thirty kids and two adult chaperones. Through airports, public transportation, endless walking around the city during the day and at night, taking the subway, including at night. And we all survived and had a great time. Weather wasn't great but we know how clothes work and no one died of exposure. I went to college in MN, I know cold weather. There were always the stupid guys who refused to wear pants all year, and were in shorts even with it was way way sub-zero. They were idiots but never got frostbite because they were going between buildings and not out for extended periods. I’ve also taken my son to multiple protests. We’re smart about it but I care about social issues, want him to, and don’t think he should be raised in a suburban bubble. We leave our Leave it to Beaver enclave and show him the real world. In your day and time, which was 20 years ago? It's different times now. Yes, exactly, you were there with your child for a protest, supervised. Yes, DC - like almost all of our major cities - had much higher violent crime when I was growing up. Look up the stats.
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