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Post by samantha25 on Jan 29, 2023 23:58:59 GMT
depends on the street and point was that the parent said he was supervising and did not. Really? There are streets you would not trust a middle schooler to cross? Have some more faith in the children you’ve raised over the preceding decade plus. Yes, have you seen the idiots driving in the school crosswalks without the crossing guard present? And at night? My kids are rarely out at night. It's a whole different scenario at night and they don't have any street smarts. So yeah, when the parent said he was going to supervise and did not, that's a big deal to me.
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Post by busy on Jan 30, 2023 0:01:17 GMT
Really? There are streets you would not trust a middle schooler to cross? Have some more faith in the children you’ve raised over the preceding decade plus. Yes, have you seen the idiots driving in the school crosswalks without the crossing guard present? And at night? My kids are rarely out at night. It's a whole different scenario at night and they don't have any street smarts. So yeah, when the parent said he was going to supervise and did not, that's a big deal to me. Your kids don’t have street smarts? I wonder why that could be.
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Post by garcia5050 on Jan 30, 2023 0:02:07 GMT
For my DDs 13th BD, I took her and 4 friends to Disneyland. I knew 2 moms but not the other 2. I sent my DD a text with some info (mostly for the 2 moms I didn’t know), outlining some basic points for the day (I was paying for admission and all food, and I would stay at the park, but I was not going to be hangin out with the girls). The intent was that the girls could forward the info to their parents. While I didn’t send the invite to the parents, I saw the value in easing the mind of parents who I didn’t know. Other than expecting a direct invite, I don’t the OP was out of line in her desire to have some information (regarding chaperone/adult involvement), for this type of gathering.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 30, 2023 0:04:36 GMT
Really? There are streets you would not trust a middle schooler to cross? Have some more faith in the children you’ve raised over the preceding decade plus. Yes, have you seen the idiots driving in the school crosswalks without the crossing guard present? And at night? My kids are rarely out at night. It's a whole different scenario at night and they don't have any street smarts. So yeah, when the parent said he was going to supervise and did not, that's a big deal to me. Your kids don’t have street smarts because they’re being raised by someone who’s afraid of homeless people and the dark. And crossing streets. And trick or treating apparently.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 30, 2023 0:04:46 GMT
Yes, have you seen the idiots driving in the school crosswalks without the crossing guard present? And at night? My kids are rarely out at night. It's a whole different scenario at night and they don't have any street smarts. So yeah, when the parent said he was going to supervise and did not, that's a big deal to me. Your kids don’t have street smarts? I wonder why that could be. , because we aren't out at night in a down town city in a known suspect atea, so why would I put my kid in this situation, unnecessarily?
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 30, 2023 0:06:27 GMT
Yes, have you seen the idiots driving in the school crosswalks without the crossing guard present? And at night? My kids are rarely out at night. It's a whole different scenario at night and they don't have any street smarts. So yeah, when the parent said he was going to supervise and did not, that's a big deal to me. Your kids don’t have street smarts because they’re being raised by someone who’s afraid of homeless people and the dark. And crossing streets. And trick or treating apparently. Because I don't live in this area
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Post by myshelly on Jan 30, 2023 0:08:49 GMT
Your kids don’t have street smarts because they’re being raised by someone who’s afraid of homeless people and the dark. And crossing streets. And trick or treating apparently. Because I don't live in this area Add scared of the city to the list.
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Post by Gennifer on Jan 30, 2023 0:11:21 GMT
I thought, “Surely by the time I get to the end of the thread, OP will have realized she was overreacting.” But nope.
I live in a super rural area, and I wouldn’t have a problem with my kids doing something like this in SLC, accompanied by friend’s parents.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 30, 2023 0:13:07 GMT
Because I don't live in this area Add scared of the city to the list. , yeah, the capitol area, obviously... I lived near Cheeseman Park during my graduate career in 1996. Better areas for my family to live, IMO
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 30, 2023 0:16:09 GMT
I thought, “Surely by the time I get to the end of the thread, OP will have realized she was overreacting.” But nope. I live in a super rural area, and I wouldn’t have a problem with my kids doing something like this in SLC, accompanied by friend’s parents. what about in downtown Denver? SLc seems a bit different than where the protests where last night in Denver. Would you let you kids do this in downtown SLC?
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 30, 2023 0:18:42 GMT
I thought, “Surely by the time I get to the end of the thread, OP will have realized she was overreacting.” But nope. I live in a super rural area, and I wouldn’t have a problem with my kids doing something like this in SLC, accompanied by friend’s parents. I think downtown SLC would work for our family for this event.
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Post by busy on Jan 30, 2023 0:18:49 GMT
Your kids don’t have street smarts? I wonder why that could be. , because we aren't out at night in a down town city in a known suspect atea, so why would I put my kid in this situation, unnecessarily? FFS Whether or not THIS party was the right thing for your kid is beside the point. But you might want to give some thought to how sheltered your children are and if you are raising them to be confident, brave, and independent. There is SO MUCH FEAR coming from you in this thread. We cannot control everything for our kids and whwn we try to, we’re setting them in to have difficulty navigating the real world once they’re no longer at home.
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Post by busy on Jan 30, 2023 0:21:36 GMT
I thought, “Surely by the time I get to the end of the thread, OP will have realized she was overreacting.” But nope. I live in a super rural area, and I wouldn’t have a problem with my kids doing something like this in SLC, accompanied by friend’s parents. I think downtown SLC would work for our family for this event. Interesting. “With a crime rate of 80 per one thousand residents, Salt Lake City has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities.” Denver had 32 more homicides during 2021 than SLC, for a slightly higher rate per 100,000 people. The rape rate is significantly higher in SLC. Salt Lake City has the 3rd highest property crime rating in the United States. That is about 50% higher than Denver.
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Post by maryland on Jan 30, 2023 0:27:30 GMT
It was more about a group of middle schoolers, who aren't always the brightest when it comes to dressing warmly, walking around a city, in the dark and cold, unsupervised. You have boys. Are you saying they always wear appropriate clothing for outwear in the winter? Because mine and every other teenager I have known, especially boys, would willing go to school and wait at the bus stop wearing shorts and flip flops on a snowy day. LOL Lol. I know those kids. My kids found out early on that they needed to be responsible for their under dressing. It only took once or twice and they were wise to the weather. I agree! I have 3 girls and they never wore coats. But they got to college and realized that walking across the large campus in the cold with strong winds means they need to take a coat (and maybe a hat and gloves would be good to have in their backpack). So they made sure to buy a winter coat over their winter break.
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Post by tmarschall on Jan 30, 2023 0:28:15 GMT
Well, yes, I think you are definitely painting a very diverse group of people with one broad negative brush. And sorry, I hardly think the birthday group was marching through the homeless camp holding up their skirts as they step over bodies of people overdosed on the sidewalk. Guess you need to be there to see it. They are practically on the capitol steps and that is where the kids were to be dropped off. I think what most people are missing this to be a particular unique area that has had troubles for eons. Rapes, murders, slashings, etc. Most homeless places I would not think twice walking by but not this particular one. Sorry you're being so narrow minded and accusing me of being sterotypical. I have been praised on my non-bias ways and my patience for tolerance, my apathy of the underdog, and decencty to mankind. I think you are doing the same thing by sayhing that about me, you are painting me in a bad way.
For years, my brother bought donuts and coffee and handed them out to the homeless on the downtown streets of Denver. When he passed, the head of Bus Stop Ministries commended him at his funeral for saving the lives of over 400 homeless by doing what he did. We are not afraid of homeless, just that particular spot.
I'm narrow-minded and accusing. Ah, ok. Unless the homeless people are on the Capitol steps (the nerve!) brandishing weapons, what's the difference? They have as much right to be there as your suburban snowflakes. What is apathy of the underdog? Defensive much?
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 30, 2023 0:29:45 GMT
, because we aren't out at night in a down town city in a known suspect atea, so why would I put my kid in this situation, unnecessarily? FFS Whether or not THIS party was the right thing for your kid is beside the point. But you might want to give some thought to how sheltered your children are and if you are raising them to be confident, brave, and independent. There is SO MUCH FEAR coming from you in this thread. We cannot control everything for our kids and whwn we try to, we’re setting them in to have difficulty navigating the real world once they’re no longer at home. Yes, agreed, but putting her in this situation was so unlike anything. I have taken her to be with friends at a coffee shop and then goofed off at the good will. It's down town Denver, which our family rarely goes to and a sketchy area. They have gone on field trips for school to places downtown, which was supervised. It's the context and she's only 13.
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Post by snyder on Jan 30, 2023 0:36:31 GMT
FFS Whether or not THIS party was the right thing for your kid is beside the point. But you might want to give some thought to how sheltered your children are and if you are raising them to be confident, brave, and independent. There is SO MUCH FEAR coming from you in this thread. We cannot control everything for our kids and whwn we try to, we’re setting them in to have difficulty navigating the real world once they’re no longer at home. Yes, agreed, but putting her in this situation was so unlike anything. I have taken her to be with friends at a coffee shop and then goofed off at the good will. It's down town Denver, which our family rarely goes to and a sketchy area. They have gone on field trips for school to places downtown, which was supervised. It's the context and she's only 13. samantha25 I think we are beating a dead horse here. Those that posted had a bug up their asses this morning and wanted to give someone shit as they haven't had a shit thread in awhile. A mountain was made out of a mole hill of this thread. You and I know its not about over protecting your child, but because of the horrid reputation and criminal activity that has gone on right there at drop off point. And the fact that is was forecasted to only be 20 high yesterday. Not many can stay out in 20 degree weather for 2+ hours. SMH.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 30, 2023 0:41:45 GMT
I think downtown SLC would work for our family for this event. Interesting. “With a crime rate of 80 per one thousand residents, Salt Lake City has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities.” Denver had 32 more homicides during 2021 than SLC, for a slightly higher rate per 100,000 people. The rape rate is significantly higher in SLC. Salt Lake City has the 3rd highest property crime rating in the United States. That is about 50% higher than Denver. I guess sarcasm from me, as if there was this hunt in Slc I should look up the route and determine where my kid would be walking and determine if the area was safe, which is theoretical.
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Post by gigito7 on Jan 30, 2023 0:49:10 GMT
Samantha25, I have no dog in this discussion because I am old and things have changed so much when my kids were 13. I live on the outskirts of Atlanta so coming from that perspective, no way would my kids be allowed to go to ATL. Now if it were my revitalized town then yes because it’s extremely busy in the evenings and it might be fun. Middle school kids take so many unsafe chances in life because they are invincible and not “street smart”, at least mine weren’t and I didn’t expect them to be street smart. IMO, I as the adult and chaperone, would much rather have a more controlled environment for a party. I learned way to much of what lengths kids would go to do what they thought was “cool and popular” and what different parenting styles that were different from my own. I was so naive. 🤣🤣
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Post by Gennifer on Jan 30, 2023 1:03:50 GMT
I thought, “Surely by the time I get to the end of the thread, OP will have realized she was overreacting.” But nope. I live in a super rural area, and I wouldn’t have a problem with my kids doing something like this in SLC, accompanied by friend’s parents. what about in downtown Denver? SLc seems a bit different than where the protests were last night in Denver. Would you let you kids do this in downtown SLC? Yes, in case my previous statement was somehow unclear, I will reiterate it: “I wouldn’t have a problem with my kids doing something like this in SLC, accompanied by friend’s parents.” This means anywhere in SLC, which is the biggest city in my state, and the most comparable to Denver.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 30, 2023 1:07:44 GMT
what about in downtown Denver? SLc seems a bit different than where the protests were last night in Denver. Would you let you kids do this in downtown SLC? Yes, in case my previous statement was somehow unclear, I will reiterate it: “I wouldn’t have a problem with my kids doing something like this in SLC, accompanied by friend’s parents.” This means anywhere in SLC, which is the biggest city in my state, and the most comparable to Denver. my post was unclear, would you let your kids do this in downtown Denver?
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Post by Zee on Jan 30, 2023 1:31:50 GMT
I grew up in Illinois/Iowa and all through the winter of 8th grade I refused to wear more than a jean jacket and flats. Kids are smarter than that today, they wear coats and hats and boots! And even if they don't, they'll be in civilization and can find shelter! Yes it really is that simple for a two-hour walking outing. WE don't like getting cold because we're old. Is anyone saying no to this just because they really think their kid will get frostbite? For real? Kids really are not smarter than that. I live in MN and my kids all refuse to wear what I would consider to be appropriate clothing for the weather. If they were going to be outside several hours maybe. But it is pretty common to see middle schoolers wearing hoodies instead of coats, no gloves, etc. At those temps even a regular winter coat isn’t going to cut it. I typically wear a lighter wool type coat and no hat or gloves when I’m just driving. But when I take the dog out I wear my long parka, hat, gloves and warm boots. It makes a huge difference. But I don’t see teens dressing like that for a birthday party walking around downtown. I’m actually wondering if they ended up changing their plans in the end if the weather was too cold. I’m not sure how much of this ghost hunt would be indoors, though? Just yesterday we left for basketball at 6:30am and it was about -14 with windchill in the -30’s. My son was wearing a hoodie and his basketball shorts. When I opened the garage door he commented about the cold, but quickly said “I’m not afraid of the cold” and got in the car. I told him to bring Warner clothes along in case of emergency but he didn’t put them on. And that was what most of the kids were wearing when they walked into the building. I think you missed my point entirely which is that kids in cities with resources all around on scavenger hunts don't die of frostbite. Have yours? I didn't either. I'm entirely unsure if this thread shakes my faith in the peas, or cements every idea I've ever had about this place. 🥶😁 An entire party of 13 year olds, slashed and drugged and sex trafficked by the homeless at the library, found frozen to the Big City sidewalk in the morning.
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Post by Zee on Jan 30, 2023 1:34:44 GMT
Really? There are streets you would not trust a middle schooler to cross? Have some more faith in the children you’ve raised over the preceding decade plus. Yes, have you seen the idiots driving in the school crosswalks without the crossing guard present? And at night? My kids are rarely out at night. It's a whole different scenario at night and they don't have any street smarts. So yeah, when the parent said he was going to supervise and did not, that's a big deal to me. I wonder why they don't have any street smarts...
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 30, 2023 1:37:31 GMT
Kids really are not smarter than that. I live in MN and my kids all refuse to wear what I would consider to be appropriate clothing for the weather. If they were going to be outside several hours maybe. But it is pretty common to see middle schoolers wearing hoodies instead of coats, no gloves, etc. At those temps even a regular winter coat isn’t going to cut it. I typically wear a lighter wool type coat and no hat or gloves when I’m just driving. But when I take the dog out I wear my long parka, hat, gloves and warm boots. It makes a huge difference. But I don’t see teens dressing like that for a birthday party walking around downtown. I’m actually wondering if they ended up changing their plans in the end if the weather was too cold. I’m not sure how much of this ghost hunt would be indoors, though? Just yesterday we left for basketball at 6:30am and it was about -14 with windchill in the -30’s. My son was wearing a hoodie and his basketball shorts. When I opened the garage door he commented about the cold, but quickly said “I’m not afraid of the cold” and got in the car. I told him to bring Warner clothes along in case of emergency but he didn’t put them on. And that was what most of the kids were wearing when they walked into the building. I think you missed my point entirely which is that kids in cities with resources all around on scavenger hunts don't die of frostbite. Have yours? I didn't either. I'm entirely unsure if this thread shakes my faith in the peas, or cements every idea I've ever had about this place. 🥶😁 An entire party of 13 year olds, slashed and drugged and sex trafficked by the homeless at the library, found frozen to the Big City sidewalk in the morning. In fairness, I've actually been heartened that it's just a few posters who are sounding like that (not that I have particularly enjoyed it).
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Post by mom on Jan 30, 2023 2:35:39 GMT
Being ranked number 3 means there are many homeless people, right? Of course that creates a problem, but the problem in this situation is that you think it's unsafe, right? And I'm telling you that homeless people as a group are not aggressive or violent. There are exceptions, but your kid's friends parent or sibling could also be violent, and I'd rather my kid was in public with appropriate supervision than in some other kid's basement. Why would you knowingly put your kid around a group of homeless people? Well, it's not relevant to the birthday party, but maybe you'd consider trying to help...bring sandwiches or blankets, serve a meal at a shelter. You might both learn how we are all a handful of circumstances away from homelessness. it is relevant to the birthday party as I dont think it was an appropriate place for my kid to be walking around on a Saturday night. You have no idea of what I have done for the homeless. I'm pointing out that this spot in Denver is problematic. Look at the data. No one is saying let your kid do this on a Saturday night. Your OP said Sunday at 430 pm.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 30, 2023 2:54:16 GMT
mom I did post the date in the OP. It was for Saturday, the day I posted, yesterday at 4:30 at the Denver Public Library, if not clear.
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Post by mom on Jan 30, 2023 4:05:24 GMT
mom I did post the date in the OP. It was for Saturday, the day I posted, yesterday at 4:30 at the Denver Public Library, if not clear. Sorry --- I read it as it was for Sunday night.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 30, 2023 4:24:14 GMT
Also, it's been one of the snowiest of Januaries and coldest gloomy times, so snow has not melted like during Denver's usual warm sunny days and streets are still snow packed.. Not sure how the downtown streets and sidewalks would be to walk all over the city for a ghost scavenger hunt.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Jan 30, 2023 4:33:14 GMT
I am not going to go too far down this rabbit hole, but I am reading some of the comments and I am never disappointed by the “well meaning” and woke peas.
1. I was in the military- and am still very fit. 2. I work with tools and literally have a box cutter, breaker bar, crowbar and very large screwdrivers on my person throughout the day. 3. I camp and hike (back country- animals of aall kinds, including my own species, and I car camp. 4. I have had no problem doing at night, small group ghost tours in Fell’s Point (now gentrified portion of Baltimore, but still sketch at night.) Also several places in PA, SC, Dublin, SF and Boston. 5. I’ve been downtown Denver, SF, DC, and Miami, and have no problem going there during most times of the day, even as children under 13 years old.
BUT. I work at Boston Medical Center regularly. Corner of Albany and Mass Ave and park in 710 Albany. There are so many shelters, clinics, methadone clinics and just random people not in their own minds. You ladies can go home with your fuzzy slippers and talk about how bad of form it is to be concerned about 13 year olds being exposed to houslessness, homeless, being unhoused, whatever the proper term is today. But the truth is that the average person would not choose to be homeless. Many of the people on those blocks of Mass Ave are addicts. Or seriously mentally unwell. Ok, not their fault I guess. But reality is reality. I refuse to walk to the parking garage later than a half hour prior to dark. That’s when the zombies come out and I don’t want to be in that situation. Inevitably, not exaggerating, someone is hallucinating. Someone is interacting with traffic in a dangerous way. People are arguing, sometimes violently with words or physical actions. I’ve seen people be shoved in the street (it’s 5 lanes of city traffic.) This is at 9 am. Even the people asking for money, help, whatever don’t go down there.
It is not safe. Period. I know that’s unpopular around here, but hey. Also, like another poster, I let my kid ride the train wherever he wanted to go. Pats Super Bowl win parade, have fun. Southie St Paddy’s Parade? Have a blast- so fun! Aquarium? Ice skating on Frog Pond. Yep and yep. Museums? Fenway- definitely! He even took the train to the Airport and flew to TX at 16. There are people asking for money/help etc in alll those places. But Albany and Mass Ave at 13-17yo? Nope. For what it’s worth, a couple blocks in either way are normal streets. It’s that small, couple block area. I don’t know Denver well enough to know that specific area.
We talk about privilege a whole lot around here. Most people would have no reason to see that part of Boston I’m talking about. Boston is a beautiful city. It has a history of being gritty, but we’ve done a great job of making the tourist areas quite nice. And people can totally say… ohhhhhh I’ve walked alllllllll around Boston and it’s not that bad. But no tourist traps are down that way. So you didn’t see it. I challenge you to open your eyes to the world not curated for your tourism before commenting on what you would and wouldn’t let your kid do.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Jan 30, 2023 4:40:38 GMT
For my DDs 13th BD, I took her and 4 friends to Disneyland. I knew 2 moms but not the other 2. I sent my DD a text with some info (mostly for the 2 moms I didn’t know), outlining some basic points for the day (I was paying for admission and all food, and I would stay at the park, but I was not going to be hangin out with the girls). The intent was that the girls could forward the info to their parents. While I didn’t send the invite to the parents, I saw the value in easing the mind of parents who I didn’t know. Other than expecting a direct invite, I don’t the OP was out of line in her desire to have some information (regarding chaperone/adult involvement), for this type of gathering. Same. We went on a cruise at the end of my sons HS senior year. We told him he could invite a friend, and he did. I knew the kid pretty well, but not his parents. He was freshly 18. I told him if his mom said he could go, have her call me. I told her we were doing two balconies, side by side. But, other than requiring a couple dinners and one shared excursion (they chose to chill with us at a two ports, and went to Cozumel Mexico themselves… ) I was not on mom duty and he would be expected to act like an adult. She was 100% ok with it. We had a blast. The “boys” acted like adults and later in the summer the parents of that kid took my son on a pretty big vacation. Sometimes you have to let them have experiences.
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