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Post by Merge on Jan 31, 2023 3:05:35 GMT
I’m sad to hear that downtown Denver is apparently strewn with broken bottles and drugged out homeless people lying in the streets? Is it really? DH and I spent a lot of time there - 27 years ago - and it was nothing like that. We went to the central library to study for our Masters’ comps.
Don’t people work and live down there? Aren’t there restaurants and shops? I’m having a hard time imagining a major city leaving trash and feces lying endlessly around its downtown. Very bad for tourism and business in general, I would think.
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Post by freecharlie on Jan 31, 2023 3:46:20 GMT
you live in Texas, it isn't the same To be fair I’ve been living in MA since 2015 and haven’t yet put on a coat (here.) I wore a coat in Alaska and was too hot lol I also wore a coat in Old Quebec City (I was just right lol) so you go outside for 2-2.5 hours at a time in 0 degrees (negative wind chill) weather?
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Post by freecharlie on Jan 31, 2023 3:55:15 GMT
I’m sad to hear that downtown Denver is apparently strewn with broken bottles and drugged out homeless people lying in the streets? Is it really? DH and I spent a lot of time there - 27 years ago - and it was nothing like that. We went to the central library to study for our Masters’ comps. Don’t people work and live down there? Aren’t there restaurants and shops? I’m having a hard time imagining a major city leaving trash and feces lying endlessly around its downtown. Very bad for tourism and business in general, I would think. it has definitely gotten worse, theory is it was the legalized pot that brought more here. I'd go down to that area during the day.. nighttime, I'd assess the situation. Last I knew, they cleaned it up, but... From KDVR Civic Center Area Crime Rates
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Post by snyder on Jan 31, 2023 4:07:12 GMT
I’m sad to hear that downtown Denver is apparently strewn with broken bottles and drugged out homeless people lying in the streets? Is it really? DH and I spent a lot of time there - 27 years ago - and it was nothing like that. We went to the central library to study for our Masters’ comps. Don’t people work and live down there? Aren’t there restaurants and shops? I’m having a hard time imagining a major city leaving trash and feces lying endlessly around its downtown. Very bad for tourism and business in general, I would think. Its not the entire downtown Denver area. It is an area around where the capitol building and library are located. There are two large parks there that contribute to the problem.
Our governor caught heck as it took him 2 years to approve the 1.3 million needed to repair all the damage to the capitol building during the Black Lives Matter riots. They are currently working on the damage and will probably install a permanent fence around the building to help keep destruction down.
Here is a pic my sister took when her husband was going through a bone marrow transplant. The hospital where he was is 1.5 miles from the capitol, so they would go out for drives. She said she just snapped real quickly as she did not want anyone see her take photos of the disadvantaged. Said this was a common scene all around the park. I included her comment with the photo.
"Well it is about the same at the Capitol today. Pretty peaceful. Just took 50 cops, a fire truck and paramedics to check on one guy that must have punched someone out. The entire park is filthy and how do they live corona virus free? No masks or sanitary means at all."
They do try to clean up the area, but there is so many homeless that these people have nowhere to go, so they get run off and come back a few days later. Not saying all the issues are by the homeless, but was trying to convey how/why the place is so dirty until they resolve some problems.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 31, 2023 14:01:40 GMT
I’m sad to hear that downtown Denver is apparently strewn with broken bottles and drugged out homeless people lying in the streets? Is it really? DH and I spent a lot of time there - 27 years ago - and it was nothing like that. We went to the central library to study for our Masters’ comps. Don’t people work and live down there? Aren’t there restaurants and shops? I’m having a hard time imagining a major city leaving trash and feces lying endlessly around its downtown. Very bad for tourism and business in general, I would think. Probably 30 years ago or so, my aunt, uncle, mom and I went to San Francisco for a long weekend. My uncle was there for a conference and the rest of us tagged along, so we were free during the day to shop, go sightseeing, etc. in downtown SF. We didn’t have a car the whole time so we walked a lot to get where we wanted to go. I was first very surprised by how many unhoused people were literally sleeping on the sidewalks next to buildings and secondly by how much trash and feces were around. And the smell! Ugh, the smell. Even outside the smell of pee was so strong everywhere we went, and you could see the spots on the sides of buildings and on the sidewalks where people had peed. This was all right in the major downtown area where there were very high end stores, upscale restaurants, hotels, etc. I just remember feeling utterly sad that there were so many people living like that. I don’t know what it’s like now because I haven’t been back.
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Post by luckyexwife on Jan 31, 2023 14:32:07 GMT
I thought of this thread this morning when I went to the gym. On the way in, two guys were coming out of the gym, not together, and both were wearing gym shorts, a coat, but no gloves or hat. When I left the gym, there was another guy coming in with shorts on, but he did have a coat, gloves, and a hat.
Lest anyone think I am in balmy Texas, I am in North Dakota, where the actual temp when I went in the gym was -17, and the "feels like" temp was -27.
I laughed to myself, and thought that their moms must not be peas!
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Post by Merge on Jan 31, 2023 15:47:46 GMT
I’m sad to hear that downtown Denver is apparently strewn with broken bottles and drugged out homeless people lying in the streets? Is it really? DH and I spent a lot of time there - 27 years ago - and it was nothing like that. We went to the central library to study for our Masters’ comps. Don’t people work and live down there? Aren’t there restaurants and shops? I’m having a hard time imagining a major city leaving trash and feces lying endlessly around its downtown. Very bad for tourism and business in general, I would think. Its not the entire downtown Denver area. It is an area around where the capitol building and library are located. There are two large parks there that contribute to the problem.
Our governor caught heck as it took him 2 years to approve the 1.3 million needed to repair all the damage to the capitol building during the Black Lives Matter riots. They are currently working on the damage and will probably install a permanent fence around the building to help keep destruction down.
Here is a pic my sister took when her husband was going through a bone marrow transplant. The hospital where he was is 1.5 miles from the capitol, so they would go out for drives. She said she just snapped real quickly as she did not want anyone see her take photos of the disadvantaged. Said this was a common scene all around the park. I included her comment with the photo.
"Well it is about the same at the Capitol today. Pretty peaceful. Just took 50 cops, a fire truck and paramedics to check on one guy that must have punched someone out. The entire park is filthy and how do they live corona virus free? No masks or sanitary means at all."
They do try to clean up the area, but there is so many homeless that these people have nowhere to go, so they get run off and come back a few days later. Not saying all the issues are by the homeless, but was trying to convey how/why the place is so dirty until they resolve some problems.
That makes me so sad. I'm struggling to remember the geography, but the part of downtown where the baseball stadium is, is not so close to this area, right? Or the Tattered Cover bookstore? I will say that Houston has done a really good job of cleaning up its downtown and with housing as many of the homeless as possible, so we just don't have the issues like this - or at least not to this degree. Our oldest lives in the part of town that @smartypants mentioned above and while there is sometimes a homeless encampment not terribly far from her apartment, she walks freely (always in pairs or groups) to the restaurants, bars, and such in her immediate area without fear. So my perspective is probably skewed.
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Post by snyder on Jan 31, 2023 19:56:47 GMT
Its not the entire downtown Denver area. It is an area around where the capitol building and library are located. There are two large parks there that contribute to the problem.
Our governor caught heck as it took him 2 years to approve the 1.3 million needed to repair all the damage to the capitol building during the Black Lives Matter riots. They are currently working on the damage and will probably install a permanent fence around the building to help keep destruction down.
Here is a pic my sister took when her husband was going through a bone marrow transplant. The hospital where he was is 1.5 miles from the capitol, so they would go out for drives. She said she just snapped real quickly as she did not want anyone see her take photos of the disadvantaged. Said this was a common scene all around the park. I included her comment with the photo.
"Well it is about the same at the Capitol today. Pretty peaceful. Just took 50 cops, a fire truck and paramedics to check on one guy that must have punched someone out. The entire park is filthy and how do they live corona virus free? No masks or sanitary means at all."
They do try to clean up the area, but there is so many homeless that these people have nowhere to go, so they get run off and come back a few days later. Not saying all the issues are by the homeless, but was trying to convey how/why the place is so dirty until they resolve some problems.
That makes me so sad. I'm struggling to remember the geography, but the part of downtown where the baseball stadium is, is not so close to this area, right? Or the Tattered Cover bookstore? I will say that Houston has done a really good job of cleaning up its downtown and with housing as many of the homeless as possible, so we just don't have the issues like this - or at least not to this degree. Our oldest lives in the part of town that @smartypants mentioned above and while there is sometimes a homeless encampment not terribly far from her apartment, she walks freely (always in pairs or groups) to the restaurants, bars, and such in her immediate area without fear. So my perspective is probably skewed. The Coors Field is about 1.5 miles north and the Tattered Cover is about 1.5 miles east of the area. It is night and day a few blocks in any direction of the area we have been discussing. Well, maybe not night and day but white and gray as the downtown area is quite old and looks a little beaten up and lots of traffic and other busy stuff, but nothing like 14th street along the parks. Don't picture all of Denver as a dive, just that 2 block area.
They are working on trying to clean it up. I don't know what its called but its a cloth type fencing that is used by different entities on a temp basis for something like digging a hole in the street, but they put that up around the park to keep campers out, and they tear it down. Just crazy.
I live in Colorado Springs and they have done a pretty good job of keeping homeless at bay in the downtown area. One thing they did, but had huge cons was to move our Department of Human Services out of the downtown area to a place 6.5 miles north. That took many homeless up closer to that area, which has more open spaces around the creek that runs along Interstate 25. They periodically run them out of those areas as they don't want their wastes going into the water supply or their fires catching the hillside on fire. They have outreach programs that go to them and try to help and offer services and tell them to move by x days and then if they don't, they physically remove their belongs. Its a sad situation that the whole country deals with. No one answer will fix it.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jan 31, 2023 20:25:15 GMT
I’m sad to hear that downtown Denver is apparently strewn with broken bottles and drugged out homeless people lying in the streets? Is it really? DH and I spent a lot of time there - 27 years ago - and it was nothing like that. We went to the central library to study for our Masters’ comps. Don’t people work and live down there? Aren’t there restaurants and shops? I’m having a hard time imagining a major city leaving trash and feces lying endlessly around its downtown. Very bad for tourism and business in general, I would think. I will literally take pictures on my way home tonight if I can. Yes it is that bad. It's nasty. It was much better 27 years ago. The central library is a haven for drugs. There is no way I would go there today. I live down here and yes people live down here as well. I am down the street from tons of restaurants.. you have to move around the homeless to get to them. The country singer has a bar around the corner from me.. Dirkes Bentley.. I didn't even know that was a place here until I noticed it last week.. lol.. I am literally less than 2 blocks from Coors and Tattered Books.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Jan 31, 2023 21:24:11 GMT
To be fair I’ve been living in MA since 2015 and haven’t yet put on a coat (here.) I wore a coat in Alaska and was too hot lol I also wore a coat in Old Quebec City (I was just right lol) so you go outside for 2-2.5 hours at a time in 0 degrees (negative wind chill) weather? At times- yes. I rarely ski or snowboard with a coat. Usually, if I’m outdoors for extended times, it is either intermittent or I’m being active. If that’s not the case, I wear layers. It’s not as if they are in the wilderness, and unable to go indoors if they get too cold. Maybe having to warm up would give less time to get scavenger hunt items/info and they learn something lol. Also, as someone else mentioned, wearing a coat when going in and out of houses/buildings, transportation, or keeping up with it etc is a pain for some people.
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Post by elaine on Jan 31, 2023 21:36:09 GMT
In the end, per the update in the OP, the kids apparently were supervised well enough that they were all transported to a bowling alley where someone covered the costs (bowling isn’t cheap).
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jan 31, 2023 22:13:43 GMT
I’m having a hard time imagining a major city leaving trash and feces lying endlessly around its downtown. People do counts of the number of drug syringes/feces/etc. that they count on several city blocks in SF. It's disgusting. I'm pretty sure it has affected tourism.
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Post by Merge on Feb 1, 2023 3:06:48 GMT
I’m having a hard time imagining a major city leaving trash and feces lying endlessly around its downtown. People do counts of the number of drug syringes/feces/etc. that they count on several city blocks in SF. It's disgusting. I'm pretty sure it has affected tourism. That is also very sad. I’ve never yet been to SF, but I can’t imagine many tourists would want to deal with syringes and feces.
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Post by prettyprettypaper on Feb 1, 2023 5:07:06 GMT
I’m having a hard time imagining a major city leaving trash and feces lying endlessly around its downtown. People do counts of the number of drug syringes/feces/etc. that they count on several city blocks in SF. It's disgusting. I'm pretty sure it has affected tourism. We've been going back and forth about visiting SF. It's pretty bad in some parts of Honolulu also, but we know where to stay away from. It's sad because I used to be able to walk around those areas and, while having to be on the lookout, I was nowhere near the level of paranoid that I have to be now.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 1, 2023 5:17:45 GMT
I’m having a hard time imagining a major city leaving trash and feces lying endlessly around its downtown. People do counts of the number of drug syringes/feces/etc. that they count on several city blocks in SF. It's disgusting. I'm pretty sure it has affected tourism. As someone who likes to travel in general, having been there once I really have no desire to go back based on my first experience.
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