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Post by aj2hall on Apr 7, 2023 15:48:00 GMT
Over and over again, the Republicans have shown their hatred of the LGBTQ community. Anyone who continues to defend and support Republicans is complicit in discrimination and restricting the rights of the LGBTQ community. Supporting Republicans and claiming to be supportive of the LGBTQ community are mutually exclusive. You can't do both. Just some of the things Republicans have done recently Florida's Don't Say Gill bill. More than 20 other states are also considering similar bills Banning books by LGBTQ authors More than 20 states have passed bans on transgender athletes. The Florida and Kansas bills actually require an "inspection". It doesn't get more invasive and offensive than that. states have passed bills banning gender affirming care Arkansas recently passed a bill restricting the use of preferred pronouns. The bill that would allow teachers to call students by their name assigned at birth. This bill and bills being considered in other states deprive students of privacy, confidentiality and autonomy. Restrictions on bathroom use by transgender students Republicans across the country looked at rolling back same sex marriage after Roe v Wade was overturned Ken Paxton said he would defend to the Supreme Court a law criminalizing sodomy The Texas Republican Party adopted a platform that refers to homosexuality as "an abnormal lifestyle choice" In 2022, more than 300 bills were introduced in 23 state legislatures restricting LGBTQ rights Republicans' false accusations that teachers and Democrats are pedophiles, groomers Trump at the CPAC conference bragged "We banned transgender insanity from our military" Pence accused Iowa school nurses of handing out gender transition plans to students Nikki Haley suggested the military was weak because they were taking gender pronoun classes Many of these are solutions in search of a problem. Some of the states with transgender athlete bans, including Utah, only have 1 or 2 students. Transgender students are already at risk for bullying, depression and suicide. All of these Republican bills just further marginalize them. www.nytimes.com/2022/07/22/us/politics/after-roe-republicans-sharpen-attacks-on-gay-and-transgender-rights.htmlwww.pbs.org/newshour/politics/why-is-the-gop-escalating-attacks-on-trans-rights-experts-say-the-goal-is-to-make-sure-evangelicals-vote
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Post by dizzycheermom on Apr 18, 2023 4:40:57 GMT
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Post by morecowbell on Jun 15, 2023 23:57:19 GMT
Yes, they are. Still doesn't make it okay to offer nude performances and simulated sex acts to children. Or to bring your child to watch that. And still, none of these places mentioned in rebuttal, are dancing nude and simulating sex acts: Restaurants Child pageants Renaissance Faires Professional sports cheerleaders competitive child cheerleading child pageants How do drag performers dance nude? If they are biological men dressed as women, being nude would destroy the illusion, wouldn’t it. I call BS on that. You admit that nudity and simulated/real sex acts are even more prevalent in movies, but the laws you support don’t do anything to prevent children from seeing those shows. I don’t believe I am wrong about your hatred of gay people, but perhaps in this case it’s really just a hatred of anyone you feel is “leftist.” Or perhaps an inherent bias that you have not yet recognized. You hold an inconsistent position between drag shows and other forms of sexualized entertainment where only the drag shows are wrong and must be shut down. What other conclusion would a reasonable person draw? (IMO the child pageants and cheerleading are even more problematic as they require underage girls to dress up and display themselves in a sexualized way for the pleasure of adults, but again, no legislation about those. Inconsistent. ETA: an example youtu.be/4PGB8x46P-A)The worst part to me is that this inconsistency has led to a narrative on the right that gay/trans people are evil for performing in a way that many cishet people also perform or ask children to perform. That makes LGBTQ a target for the next crazy person with a gun. If you want to question the good sense of parents who take their kids to these shows, I’m with you. I wouldn’t do it. But I also didn’t take my young children to R-rated movies or allow them to participate in pageants or sexualized cheerleading. I was the mean mom who said no to a lot of overly sexual clothes for young girls at stores like Justice. That’s a consistent position for me that doesn’t target or demonize any one demographic. I've shown the clips of them dancing topless shaking their implants and singing with their fake boobs in a box on display. Simulated sex acts, sexualizing children's stories, all of it. You can keep pretending it isn't there and calling BS on it. That doesn't make it not happening. That's an astoundingly lazy argument. Believing adult shows should not invite children doesn't mean I hate gay people, or that I hate "leftists". That's what I'm saying. Also that they shouldn't invite them to the shows either. I will also question ANY performer that WANTS to perform that way for children by including all ages. No matter their sexual orientation. Neither did I. I'm just as consistent here as you are. Despite your attempt to smear me in lieu of an actual argument.
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Post by elaine on Jun 27, 2023 22:27:08 GMT
Well, now that the video has been shown to be manufactured by splicing video from drag shows that were “adult-only” into the Family-friendly Christmas Show video, it would be a great opportunity for at least ONE member to admit to her own false outrage that the lunatic fringe of the conservative right were hoping to spread across the nation.
This is exactly what LGBTQ+ hate campaigns look like.
If you don’t want to be seen as being anti-LGBTQ+, then don’t spread manufactured hate propaganda.
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Post by PLurker on Jun 28, 2023 1:46:13 GMT
I just read something about this although I need to go find and re-read. "And I'd do it again" from the manufacturer of the bogus video, is that correct? So basically I'd lie to further my previous hateful lies. Go figure.
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Post by Merge on Jun 28, 2023 3:17:39 GMT
Well, now that the video has been shown to be manufactured by splicing video from drag shows that were “adult-only” into the Family-friendly Christmas Show video, it would be a great opportunity for at least ONE member to admit to her own false outrage that the lunatic fringe of the conservative right were hoping to spread across the nation. This is exactly what LGBTQ+ hate campaigns look like. If you don’t want to be seen as being anti-LGBTQ+, then don’t spread manufactured hate propaganda. I think it’s hilarious that she decided to resurrect this thread two months after it had died just to post things again she has already posted to me, reminding everyone how she doubled down on it. And then the news came out that it’s all fake. Just some great timing there.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 28, 2023 4:54:40 GMT
How do drag performers dance nude? If they are biological men dressed as women, being nude would destroy the illusion, wouldn’t it. I call BS on that. You admit that nudity and simulated/real sex acts are even more prevalent in movies, but the laws you support don’t do anything to prevent children from seeing those shows. I don’t believe I am wrong about your hatred of gay people, but perhaps in this case it’s really just a hatred of anyone you feel is “leftist.” Or perhaps an inherent bias that you have not yet recognized. You hold an inconsistent position between drag shows and other forms of sexualized entertainment where only the drag shows are wrong and must be shut down. What other conclusion would a reasonable person draw? (IMO the child pageants and cheerleading are even more problematic as they require underage girls to dress up and display themselves in a sexualized way for the pleasure of adults, but again, no legislation about those. Inconsistent. ETA: an example youtu.be/4PGB8x46P-A)The worst part to me is that this inconsistency has led to a narrative on the right that gay/trans people are evil for performing in a way that many cishet people also perform or ask children to perform. That makes LGBTQ a target for the next crazy person with a gun. If you want to question the good sense of parents who take their kids to these shows, I’m with you. I wouldn’t do it. But I also didn’t take my young children to R-rated movies or allow them to participate in pageants or sexualized cheerleading. I was the mean mom who said no to a lot of overly sexual clothes for young girls at stores like Justice. That’s a consistent position for me that doesn’t target or demonize any one demographic. I've shown the clips of them dancing topless shaking their implants and singing with their fake boobs in a box on display. Simulated sex acts, sexualizing children's stories, all of it. You can keep pretending it isn't there and calling BS on it. That doesn't make it not happening. That's an astoundingly lazy argument. Believing adult shows should not invite children doesn't mean I hate gay people, or that I hate "leftists". That's what I'm saying. Also that they shouldn't invite them to the shows either. I will also question ANY performer that WANTS to perform that way for children by including all ages. No matter their sexual orientation. Neither did I. I'm just as consistent here as you are. Despite your attempt to smear me in lieu of an actual argument. morecowbell, I'm hoping you will check out the new thread on the Texas incident. The video was doctored to show open sexuality that DID NOT HAPPEN in the “family-friendly” show. One woman and her family are under threat now by crazed right-wingers, completely undeserved. 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/139841/expose-children-drag-show-fake
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Post by morecowbell on Jun 28, 2023 5:10:11 GMT
Well, now that the video has been shown to be manufactured by splicing video from drag shows that were “adult-only” into the Family-friendly Christmas Show video, it would be a great opportunity for at least ONE member to admit to her own false outrage that the lunatic fringe of the conservative right were hoping to spread across the nation. This is exactly what LGBTQ+ hate campaigns look like. If you don’t want to be seen as being anti-LGBTQ+, then don’t spread manufactured hate propaganda. I think it’s hilarious that she decided to resurrect this thread two months after it had died just to post things again she has already posted to me, reminding everyone how she doubled down on it. And then the news came out that it’s all fake. Just some great timing there. I didn't post "just to post things I already said to you." I posted in response to you accusing me of a bunch of things that are absolutely not true. It was the first time that I had time to respond to it.
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