wellway
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Post by wellway on Mar 8, 2023 17:28:08 GMT
Just seen a BBC headline saying the christening was at the family home.
Is that a thing? I've never heard of a christening taking place anywhere but in a church. No idea of the rules regarding the ceremony, anyone know?
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Post by gar on Mar 8, 2023 17:34:37 GMT
I absolutely believe they were told not to use titles for their kids ( their kids did not have titles on the official RF website) and they did this to force a response. I agree. As of just now, the titles have not been changed on the RF website. If this had been a planned event, they would already have been changed and most likely an official announcement made by the Palace. They basically forced KC hand by having that leaked to People. If he resists, they come at him saying he is racist. I think the RF waited to see whether they wanted to adopt the royal titles they were entitled to for their children before changing it on the website. This is the first time they've used them so I imagine the web site will be changed now.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 8, 2023 17:55:09 GMT
Okay so this reporter is poking the bear so to speak by proclaiming her a Princess before it's approved. It doesn't need approval I don't think, it's a fact since Charles became King. They have stated they will only use the titles for the children on 'official occasions' (or when they need a bit of attention.) I wondered if it didn't become "official" until after the coronation? And was I the only one who wondered why they'd baptized the baby in the Catholic church? Apparently they didn't know the officiant's actual title is Bishop of Los Angeles - the Archbishop is Catholic. ETA - this was sarcasm! I know he's not Catholic - he's also not the Archbishop - I was just pointing out their error in his title.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 8, 2023 18:01:46 GMT
Just seen a BBC headline saying the christening was at the family home. Is that a thing? I've never heard of a christening taking place anywhere but in a church. No idea of the rules regarding the ceremony, anyone know? Oh, just like thier "real wedding" in the garden before the big one! ETA for the record, I honestly dont care if they got married before the big service, just that it was made to be a big deal about it....
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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 8, 2023 18:04:30 GMT
It doesn't need approval I don't think, it's a fact since Charles became King. They have stated they will only use the titles for the children on 'official occasions' (or when they need a bit of attention.) I wondered if it didn't become "official" until after the coronation? And was I the only one who wondered why they'd baptized the baby in the Catholic church? Apparently they didn't know the officiant's actual title is Bishop of Los Angeles - the Archbishop is Catholic. No, he is not: John Harvey Taylor is the Bishop of Los Angeles in the Diocese of Los Angeles of the Episcopal Church.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Mar 8, 2023 18:13:19 GMT
And was I the only one who wondered why they'd baptized the baby in the Catholic church? Apparently they didn't know the officiant's actual title is Bishop of Los Angeles - the Archbishop is Catholic. Bishop John Harvey Taylor is an Episcopalian bishop.
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Post by gar on Mar 8, 2023 18:14:45 GMT
Just seen a BBC headline saying the christening was at the family home. Is that a thing? I've never heard of a christening taking place anywhere but in a church. No idea of the rules regarding the ceremony, anyone know? Oh, just like thier "real wedding" in the garden before the big one! ETA for the record, I honestly dont care if they got married before the big service, just that it was made to be a big deal about it.... Especially since it was a lie.
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Post by gar on Mar 8, 2023 18:17:29 GMT
It doesn't need approval I don't think, it's a fact since Charles became King. They have stated they will only use the titles for the children on 'official occasions' (or when they need a bit of attention.) I wondered if it didn't become "official" until after the coronation? And was I the only one who wondered why they'd baptized the baby in the Catholic church? Apparently they didn't know the officiant's actual title is Bishop of Los Angeles - the Archbishop is Catholic. Possibly but these things tend to be instant I believe? Not certain though.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 8, 2023 18:44:19 GMT
Sorry if my point wasn't clear - the Archbishop of Los Angeles is CATHOLIC - their officiant is the Bishop of Los Angeles - and yes I know he's Episcopalian, I just found it more than a little hilarious that they used the wrong title especially considering the history with the Catholic church.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 8, 2023 18:45:38 GMT
Just seen a BBC headline saying the christening was at the family home. Is that a thing? I've never heard of a christening taking place anywhere but in a church. No idea of the rules regarding the ceremony, anyone know? I've heard of many baptisms in hospitals, so know a church isn't required.
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Post by sueg on Mar 8, 2023 18:49:36 GMT
Just seen a BBC headline saying the christening was at the family home. Is that a thing? I've never heard of a christening taking place anywhere but in a church. No idea of the rules regarding the ceremony, anyone know? I've heard of many baptisms in hospitals, so know a church isn't required. But hospital baptisms are usually done in an emergency situation, like when they are unsure if a baby will survive. Friends of ours did this as they knew their baby had major heart defects and might only live a short time, if at all, after birth. It isn’t something you would normally do at home with a perfectly healthy nearly 2yo.
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Post by gar on Mar 8, 2023 18:51:05 GMT
I've heard of many baptisms in hospitals, so know a church isn't required. But hospital baptisms are usually done in an emergency situation, like when they are unsure if a baby will survive. Friends of ours did this as they knew their baby had major heart defects and might only live a short time, if at all, after birth. It isn’t something you would normally do at home with a perfectly healthy nearly 2yo. I wonder if that actually happened either 🤔
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 8, 2023 18:53:39 GMT
I've heard of many baptisms in hospitals, so know a church isn't required. But hospital baptisms are usually done in an emergency situation, like when they are unsure if a baby will survive. Friends of ours did this as they knew their baby had major heart defects and might only live a short time, if at all, after birth. It isn’t something you would normally do at home with a perfectly healthy nearly 2yo. True - I am not suggesting that it's a normal occurrence - just saying that I know it can be done. I'm sure they believe their need for privacy is an emergency.
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Post by mom on Mar 8, 2023 18:59:17 GMT
It doesn't need approval I don't think, it's a fact since Charles became King. They have stated they will only use the titles for the children on 'official occasions' (or when they need a bit of attention.) I wondered if it didn't become "official" until after the coronation? And was I the only one who wondered why they'd baptized the baby in the Catholic church? Apparently they didn't know the officiant's actual title is Bishop of Los Angeles - the Archbishop is Catholic. Wait....if she is Catholic then she is unable to be included in the line of succession (not that she was ever really going to have a chance at being Queen). Edited to add: would she be considered Catholic if she just had been christened by a Catholic archbishop?
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Post by Linda on Mar 8, 2023 19:06:45 GMT
would she be considered Catholic if she just had been christened by a Catholic archbishop? according to the Catholic Church, yes being baptised Catholic makes you Catholic. It does sounds like Lilibet was christened by an Episcopalian/Anglican Bishop though so moot point
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 8, 2023 19:10:06 GMT
I wondered if it didn't become "official" until after the coronation? And was I the only one who wondered why they'd baptized the baby in the Catholic church? Apparently they didn't know the officiant's actual title is Bishop of Los Angeles - the Archbishop is Catholic. Wait....if she is Catholic then she is unable to be included in the line of succession (not that she was ever really going to have a chance at being Queen). Edited to add: would she be considered Catholic if she just had been christened by a Catholic archbishop? I'm sorry! I'll edit my post to be clear I was being sarcastic. She was baptized by the Bishop of Los Angeles who is Episcopalian. They announced she was baptized by the Archbishop of Los Angeles who is Catholic - I was just poking fun at them.
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Post by mom on Mar 8, 2023 19:27:03 GMT
would she be considered Catholic if she just had been christened by a Catholic archbishop? according to the Catholic Church, yes being baptised Catholic makes you Catholic. It does sounds like Lilibet was christened by an Episcopalian/Anglican Bishop though so moot point Ahh ok. I got confused when it was said upthread that the Archbishop was Catholic.
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Post by GamGam on Mar 8, 2023 19:34:12 GMT
And was I the only one who wondered why they'd baptized the baby in the Catholic church? Apparently they didn't know the officiant's actual title is Bishop of Los Angeles - the Archbishop is Catholic. Bishop John Harvey Taylor is an Episcopalian bishop. Just to add to the Episcopal Church connection. The service (if from the Prayer Book) is a service of BAPTISM!!! There is no service of “christening “ in the Episcopal Chirch.
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Post by littlemama on Mar 8, 2023 22:15:00 GMT
Congratulations to the couple and their daughter on her baptism.
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Post by pepperwood on Mar 8, 2023 23:12:27 GMT
It seems we now have an answer to the question about their titles - whatever happened to Harry's statement that Archie would be known only as Master Archie Mountbatten-Windsor and that they declined to give him a title so that he could have more normal life? Or Meghan claiming on Oprah that Archie wasn't made a Prince because of his skin colour...or because they didn't want to give him security? Also claiming on Oprah she doesn't care about titles. All just more lies. Getting their mouthpiece Scobie to announce it on Twitter...and H&M using their kids as weapons against the royal family - interesting choices on their part. Of course having a title doesn't mean they have to use it...but with their first shot fired they are making it clear that they are going to milk those titles for all they are worth. They are so sad & predictable. I read somewhere that Harry and Megan declined the title "Earl of Dumbarton" for Archie when he was born because they didn't like the title and were concerned that he would be teased because it contained the word Dumb. I found it interesting when I saw that Oprah politely declined to be Archie's godmother. I also saw a report that George Clooney also declined, but I am not sure if it was from a reliable source.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Mar 9, 2023 1:07:52 GMT
She is a lovely little girl.
I am going with >> publicity stunt. With the focus on the Coronation, Harry and Meghan had to do something to get their names back to the top of the "pay attention to me and us" list.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 9, 2023 1:24:43 GMT
So they called the Bishop the Archbishop to try to make him sound "better/more important" and more on par with The Archbishop of Canterbury? Typical. He's a public figure, it's very easy to get his title right, but this is their MO...they don't care about accuracy or truth as long as the people reading about them get the impression they want to give them (it's just the same as a Royal Christening because the Archbishop did it and she became a Princess!) They rely on most of their American fans (that's the audience they are playing to) not bothering to look at the details.
That's what I said right at the start of this thread they are going to use their children as pawns in their need to get revenge on the royals.
The child with the ridiculous name is almost 2 years old, they've had ample time to christen/baptize her and give everyone plenty of notice if they were sincere about wanting them to attend. But suddenly it becomes public knowledge that their lease on Frogmore wouldn't be renewed and they hadn't yet got an official gold edged invitation to the Coronation hand delivered by a courier - so they quickly organise this, and get Tyler Perry to roar in very publicly on his big private jet and mill around at the airport to make sure everyone sees him...and then use Scobie to announce it on Twitter using the Princess title and telling everyone they were snubbed by the other Royals. Plus they do it 2 months before the Coronation because they know Charles won't want to get into a war of words and have all that negative publicity.
They are so petty! and it's their children who will inevitably suffer because they will grow up not having any relationships with the majority of their extended families on both sides.
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Post by gar on Mar 9, 2023 10:44:24 GMT
The website has been updated to include their titles which are an “automatic birthright”.
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Post by auntkelly on Mar 9, 2023 13:44:10 GMT
She’s a lovely little girl. I’m sure her christening was a joyous occasion for all who attended.
I don’t think Harry and Meghan will ever be fully reconciled with Harry’s family. Therefore, I hope that going forward Harry and Meghan can just enjoy all their children’s milestones and celebrate with the ones who are part of their children’s lives. It just seems so unnecessary to announce to the public that the Royals were invited but didn’t show up.
My mother’s only brother promised my mother he would serve as a surrogate father to my brother and I after our father and grandfather died in quick succession when we were very small. He showed up at Christmas a couple of times those first years, and then would disappear for years, supposedly because he was so busy with his career. He missed holidays, birthdays, graduations, weddings, etc. I’m sure my mom was bitter that he didn’t attend those milestone events, but she rarely said anything to my brother and me about it.
It never occurred to us to miss him at those events because he wasn’t a part of our daily lives. I’m glad my mother didn’t let my uncle’s absence overshadow our joy at those milestones.
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Post by gar on Mar 9, 2023 13:51:24 GMT
It just seems so unnecessary to announce to the public that the Royals were invited but didn’t show up. I haven't seen it personally but I heard that Buckingham Palace has released the work schedules of those invited to show how they were otherwise engaged...especially if it was short notice as seems likely.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Mar 9, 2023 13:56:20 GMT
To anyone who’s been following this drama for the past three years, we all know that the invites to the 1st birthday and christening were not real invites. They were so they could brief the media that the invite was declined. Nobody expected the family would drop everything for a last minute birthday party in the middle of the Jubilee. Even less credible that the King and POW would jet off to Montecito for a christening. The Sussexes have told us many times, over and over, that they are not on speaking terms with the royal main line. Why would they come?!
It’s all publicity. They are really pissed about the Frogmore Cottage lease not being renewed. I don’t think the family cares, why should they? The Sussexes made their choice, they are obviously having regrets it didn’t go their way.
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Post by auntkelly on Mar 9, 2023 15:00:31 GMT
It just seems so unnecessary to announce to the public that the Royals were invited but didn’t show up. I haven't seen it personally but I heard that Buckingham Palace has released the work schedules of those invited to show how they were otherwise engaged...especially if it was short notice as seems likely. I didn't realize that Buckingham Palace had released the work schedules of those invited. This whole matter seems so silly. Anyone with half a brain knows that the Royal family can't just hop on a plane and attend an event at a private residence in a foreign country on short notice. I just don't understand why Harry and Meghan felt it was necessary to announce that Charles and Camilla and Will and Kate were invited but didn't come to the christening. If it was really important to Harry that his family be a part of the christening, why didn't Harry pick up the phone and say "Lilibet is being christened next week. Meghan and I know you probably can't make it on short notice, but how about if our people work w/ your people so that we can set up a secure line and you can watch the christening from London? We'll put Archie and Lilibet on the screen afterwards and you can have a nice chat. We'll keep it all private and Netflix won't be allowed to film the kids talking to you."
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Post by Tamhugh on Mar 9, 2023 15:01:47 GMT
Just seen a BBC headline saying the christening was at the family home. Is that a thing? I've never heard of a christening taking place anywhere but in a church. No idea of the rules regarding the ceremony, anyone know? I can’t speak for all denominations but in the ELCA church a baptism can take place anywhere. My grandson was baptized at the home of his great-grandfather (who is a pastor).
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Post by gar on Mar 9, 2023 15:03:24 GMT
I haven't seen it personally but I heard that Buckingham Palace has released the work schedules of those invited to show how they were otherwise engaged...especially if it was short notice as seems likely. I didn't realize that Buckingham Palace had released the work schedules of those invited. This whole matter seems so silly. Anyone with half a brain knows that the Royal family can't just hop on a plane and attend an event at a private residence in a foreign country on short notice. I just don't understand why Harry and Meghan felt it was necessary to announce that Charles and Camilla and Will and Kate were invited but didn't come to the christening. If it was really important to Harry that his family be a part of the christening, why didn't Harry pick up the phone and say "Lilibet is being christened next week. Meghan and I know you probably can't make it on short notice, but how about if our people work w/ your people so that we can set up a secure line and you can watch the christening from London? We'll put Archie and Lilibet on the screen afterwards and you can have a nice chat. We'll keep it all private and Netflix won't be allowed to film the kids talking to you." He didn’t do that because they/Meghan don’t/doesn’t want to make things better. They have reinvented all that’s happened, turned it into ‘their truth’ and the way forward does not involve building bridges.
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Post by gillyp on Mar 9, 2023 15:17:54 GMT
Whoever coined the phrases their truth/our truth/my truth needs a slap round the head with a wet kipper.
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