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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 8, 2023 14:08:21 GMT
People are speculating that bc CHarles, Camilla, William and Katherine did not attend, this could support the Sussexes not attending the coronation....
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 8, 2023 14:14:17 GMT
I imagine this thread is going to convey a lot of unpleasantness about the various adults here, but that little girl looks happy and sweet and I love her dress.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 8, 2023 14:34:27 GMT
It seems we now have an answer to the question about their titles - whatever happened to Harry's statement that Archie would be known only as Master Archie Mountbatten-Windsor and that they declined to give him a title so that he could have more normal life? Or Meghan claiming on Oprah that Archie wasn't made a Prince because of his skin colour...or because they didn't want to give him security? Also claiming on Oprah she doesn't care about titles. All just more lies.
Getting their mouthpiece Scobie to announce it on Twitter...and H&M using their kids as weapons against the royal family - interesting choices on their part.
Of course having a title doesn't mean they have to use it...but with their first shot fired they are making it clear that they are going to milk those titles for all they are worth. They are so sad & predictable.
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Post by mom on Mar 8, 2023 14:37:23 GMT
Good for her, I guess? Im not sure why they felt the need to tell us she was christened. I suspect it was so they could say Charles, Camilla, Will and Kate didn't come. Honestly, I am surprised they would go considering all the trash that was spilled in Harrys book. I agree with epeanymous - cute photo and she looks happy.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 8, 2023 14:41:47 GMT
Good for her, I guess? Im not sure why they felt the need to tell us she was christened. I suspect it was so they could say Charles, Camilla, Will and Kate didn't come. Honestly, I am surprised they would go considering all the trash that was spilled in Harrys book. I think "PRINCESS!!!" was the main point and the other evil royals didn't come was the secondary one
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Post by mom on Mar 8, 2023 14:46:51 GMT
Good for her, I guess? Im not sure why they felt the need to tell us she was christened. I suspect it was so they could say Charles, Camilla, Will and Kate didn't come. Honestly, I am surprised they would go considering all the trash that was spilled in Harrys book. I think "PRINCESS!!!" was the main point and the other evil royals didn't come was the secondary one Ha! You are probably right.
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Post by mich5481 on Mar 8, 2023 14:48:57 GMT
You would think as both Meghan and Harry come from a place where their parents split when they were children that they would do better then to use their own chilren as pawns in family battles.
That is a cute picture, but it's the same one they released for her 1st birthday.
I wonder if they used the family christening gown.
Finally, I think it's tacky they didn't bother to hold the christening in England while the Queen was still alive.
They have to get the titles for the children - it's the only way for them to stay relevant.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 8, 2023 14:59:33 GMT
Good for her, I guess? Im not sure why they felt the need to tell us she was christened. I suspect it was so they could say Charles, Camilla, Will and Kate didn't come. Honestly, I am surprised they would go considering all the trash that was spilled in Harrys book. I think "PRINCESS!!!" was the main point and the other evil royals didn't come was the secondary one They can follow up the World Privacy Tour with the World Hypocrisy Tour. Omid is such a tool. When you look at the way the article is headlined/styled in People, there is no doubt PRINCESS is the point. The subtitle reads: “As grandchildren of the monarch, Archie and Lilibet are afforded the titles of prince and princess”
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Post by pantsonfire on Mar 8, 2023 15:05:22 GMT
I think "PRINCESS!!!" was the main point and the other evil royals didn't come was the secondary one They can follow up the World Privacy Tour with the World Hypocrisy Tour. Omid is such a tool. When you look at the way the article is headlined/styled in People, there is no doubt PRINCESS is the point. The subtitle reads: “As grandchildren of the monarch, Archie and Lilibet are afforded the titles of prince and princess” With a South Park episode!!
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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 8, 2023 15:12:31 GMT
You would think as both Meghan and Harry come from a place where their parents split when they were children that they would do better then to use their own chilren as pawns in family battles. That is a cute picture, but it's the same one they released for her 1st birthday. - I am sure they haven't released a photo of her christening, so People or Omid had to use one they have.I wonder if they used the family christening gown. - um, 10000000000000000000% no way that thing left the UK. now if KC3 and the gang had attended, and brought it with them, that could have been one hell of a story!Finally, I think it's tacky they didn't bother to hold the christening in England while the Queen was still alive. Well, they held her 1st bday I think, which very few family attended and that picture is from - maybe the Queen was like no way I am giving you more Netflix photo ops, go pound sand.They have to get the titles for the children - it's the only way for them to stay relevant. I wonder if this was Omid's way to get attention (kind of like how the US press often refers to Katherine as Princess Kate). On the official website they are still Master Archie and Miss Lillibet....
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Post by oh yvonne on Mar 8, 2023 15:17:29 GMT
I think "PRINCESS!!!" was the main point and the other evil royals didn't come was the secondary one They can follow up the World Privacy Tour with the World Hypocrisy Tour. Omid is such a tool. When you look at the way the article is headlined/styled in People, there is no doubt PRINCESS is the point. The subtitle reads: “As grandchildren of the monarch, Archie and Lilibet are afforded the titles of prince and princess” I read that headline and I am scratching my head. I thought the great grands of the Queen aren't entitled to be called Princes/Princess? Are Beatrice and Eugenie's children granted those titles as well? I didn't think they were. So why would this Scobie guy write that if its not true? Isn't he supposed to be a journalist? /s
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Post by sueg on Mar 8, 2023 15:20:50 GMT
They can follow up the World Privacy Tour with the World Hypocrisy Tour. Omid is such a tool. When you look at the way the article is headlined/styled in People, there is no doubt PRINCESS is the point. The subtitle reads: “As grandchildren of the monarch, Archie and Lilibet are afforded the titles of prince and princess” I read that headline and I am scratching my head. I thought the great grands of the Queen aren't entitled to be called Princes/Princess? Are Beatrice and Eugenie's children granted those titles as well? I didn't think they were. So why would this Scobie guy write that if its not true? Isn't he supposed to be a journalist? /s Archie and Lillibet are now grandchildren of the monarch, since the Queen died. Beatrice and Eugenie’s children are not.
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Post by oh yvonne on Mar 8, 2023 15:28:37 GMT
I read that headline and I am scratching my head. I thought the great grands of the Queen aren't entitled to be called Princes/Princess? Are Beatrice and Eugenie's children granted those titles as well? I didn't think they were. So why would this Scobie guy write that if its not true? Isn't he supposed to be a journalist? /s Archie and Lillibet are now grandchildren of the monarch, since the Queen died. Beatrice and Eugenie’s children are not. Ah, got it okay. I keep operating like QE is still alive. Things shift up by generation. So...do William and Kate's kids have titles? I know I can google but I like chatting here.
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Post by wellway on Mar 8, 2023 15:29:58 GMT
That is a cute picture, but it's the same one they released for her 1st birthday. - I am sure they haven't released a photo of her christening, so People or Omid had to use one they have.Finally, I think it's tacky they didn't bother to hold the christening in England while the Queen was still alive. Well, they held her 1st bday I think, which very few family attended and that picture is from - maybe the Queen was like no way I am giving you more Netflix photo ops, go pound sand.To be fair to the family, they held the 1st birthday party during the Queens Platinum Jubilee when every minute of the events were timetabled to the nth degree. Very few people could attend whether they wanted to or not.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Mar 8, 2023 15:30:41 GMT
It seems we now have an answer to the question about their titles - whatever happened to Harry's statement that Archie would be known only as Master Archie Mountbatten-Windsor and that they declined to give him a title so that he could have more normal life? Or Meghan claiming on Oprah that Archie wasn't made a Prince because of his skin colour...or because they didn't want to give him security? Also claiming on Oprah she doesn't care about titles. All just more lies. Playing devil's advocate here. Can we be sure that the children really are now titled Prince and Princess? Could this just be something that Omid put out (with their blessings of course, as he is their mouthpiece) in an attempt to force KC hand? My feeling is that this would have been a formal announcement coming from the palace, not some random article with an old photo in People magazine (the modern equivalent of National Enquirer IMO). It is a lovely photo of Lillibet, but as pointed out is from her 1st birthday in June 2022. The fact that there is not a christening photo all but guarantees that the family christening gown was not used. If it had been, there would have been photos.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 8, 2023 15:35:15 GMT
read that headline and I am scratching my head. I thought the great grands of the Queen aren't entitled to be called Princes/Princess? Are Beatrice and Eugenie's children granted those titles as well? Yes, technically it's accurate, the Letters Patent says that children and grandchildren of the Monarch have the titles Prince and Princess. Andrew's daughter's children that are born now will be the grandnephew and grandniece of the Monarch so they are not entitled to be Prince or Princess, and those born while the Queen was alive were greatgrandchildren...so also not entitled. If either Andrew or Edward fathered another baby now, they would also not be entitled to be styled as Prince or Princess as they would not be the grandchildren of the current Monarch. That was the whole deal about Meghan on Oprah claiming she was somehow being discriminated against because Archie "wasn't made a Prince" and trying to hint it was because of his skin colour but at the time of his birth he wasn't entitled to it until Charles became King and then it was assumed it would be automatic. However there hasn't been any formal announcement so it's been a bit unclear if they could/would use those titles or not...but now either Charles has formally approved it, or they've just gone..."we can use those titles if we want....and you can't stop us"
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Post by oh yvonne on Mar 8, 2023 15:38:19 GMT
read that headline and I am scratching my head. I thought the great grands of the Queen aren't entitled to be called Princes/Princess? Are Beatrice and Eugenie's children granted those titles as well? Yes, technically it's accurate, the Letters Patent says that children and grandchildren of the Monarch have the titles Prince and Princess. Andrew's daughter's children are now only the grandnephew and grandniece of the Monarch so they are not entitled to be Prince or Princess. If either Andrew or Edward fathered another baby now, they would also not be entitled to be styled as Prince or Princess as they would not be the grandchildren of the current Monarch. That was the whole deal about Meghan on Oprah claiming she was somehow being discriminated against because Archie "wasn't made a Prince" and trying to hint it was because of his skin colour but at the time of his birth he wasn't entitled to it until Charles became King and then it was assumed it would be automatic. However there hasn't been any formal announcement so it's been a bit unclear if they could/would use those titles or not...but now either Charles has formally approved it, or they've just gone..."we can use those titles if we want....and you can't stop us" ah thank you. The details escape me, now I understand. Okay so this reporter is poking the bear so to speak by proclaiming her a Princess before it's approved. These people are the biggest assholes, I swear. Why won't they let.it.go.
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Post by sueg on Mar 8, 2023 15:42:28 GMT
Archie and Lillibet are now grandchildren of the monarch, since the Queen died. Beatrice and Eugenie’s children are not. Ah, got it okay. I keep operating like QE is still alive. Things shift up by generation. So...do William and Kate's kids have titles? I know I can google but I like chatting here. William and Kate’s kids do have titles, and have had them since birth. In their case, as they were in direct line of succession - their dad is (presumptive) future King - they were given titles by the Queen.
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Post by gillyp on Mar 8, 2023 15:51:23 GMT
They knew this would cause a furore.
As to inviting the family and being declined - I bet the invitation was so close to the event none of the family would have had a chance to re-arrange their diaries, even if they wanted to. Royal engagements are made months in advance as Harry very well knows.
The christening gown is made for a babe in arms. It would hardly be suitable for a toddler.
Yes, I am angry about this. It smacks of childish “we can so we will” behaviour, more cynical manipulation of public opinion.
None of my ire is directed at either of the children.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 8, 2023 15:51:47 GMT
I made it a bit clearer after you quoted me - given that Eugenie and Beatrice will both have babies before and after Charles became King Okay so this reporter is poking the bear so to speak by proclaiming her a Princess before it's approved. Well it's hard to say, anything could be happening behind the scenes that the public don't know about, but so far it's been a bit of a mystery because there has not been any sort of public announcement from either Charles or "the palace" on their official titles. The Letters Patent does say "the grandchildren of the Monarch"...which is what they both are so one point of view is that they meet the criteria, so there's nothing to announce. Others seemed to think that Charles would make some formal statement...like he did with William becoming Prince Of Wales...even though that was never in doubt. Omid is definitely the Sussex mouthpiece and he's never called the children Prince or Princess before, so him suddenly doing it makes me think it was Harry & Meghan's way of announcing that they are going to use those titles now, possibly whether Charles officially OKed it or not. ETA: they're probably mad about the eviction from Frogmore Cottage, and this is their retaliation move.
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Post by gar on Mar 8, 2023 15:56:08 GMT
Okay so this reporter is poking the bear so to speak by proclaiming her a Princess before it's approved. It doesn't need approval I don't think, it's a fact since Charles became King. They have stated they will only use the titles for the children on 'official occasions' (or when they need a bit of attention.)
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Post by myshelly on Mar 8, 2023 16:00:38 GMT
Yes, technically it's accurate, the Letters Patent says that children and grandchildren of the Monarch have the titles Prince and Princess. Andrew's daughter's children are now only the grandnephew and grandniece of the Monarch so they are not entitled to be Prince or Princess. If either Andrew or Edward fathered another baby now, they would also not be entitled to be styled as Prince or Princess as they would not be the grandchildren of the current Monarch. That was the whole deal about Meghan on Oprah claiming she was somehow being discriminated against because Archie "wasn't made a Prince" and trying to hint it was because of his skin colour but at the time of his birth he wasn't entitled to it until Charles became King and then it was assumed it would be automatic. However there hasn't been any formal announcement so it's been a bit unclear if they could/would use those titles or not...but now either Charles has formally approved it, or they've just gone..."we can use those titles if we want....and you can't stop us" ah thank you. The details escape me, now I understand. Okay so this reporter is poking the bear so to speak by proclaiming her a Princess before it's approved. These people are the biggest assholes, I swear. Why won't they let.it.go. This guy isn’t really a “reporter.” He is famously Megain and Hazbeen’s mouthpiece and tweets whatever they tell him to tweet. I absolutely believe they were told not to use titles for their kids (their kids did not have titles on the official RF website) and they did this to force a response.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Mar 8, 2023 16:03:21 GMT
Reading some more royal reports and it appears that the palace has acquiesced and the kids will now be styled Prince and Princess. The website is to be changed to reflect that (although as I type this it has not been changed). So much for all Harry's claims he didn't want his children burdened with titles. Best comment I read was by Emily Andrews (royal reporter): ETA: The other thing I find ironic is that the names of Archie's godparents were kept secret. The name of Lillibet's godmother has been kept secret, but her godfather is none other than Tyler Perry. Looking for more of that 'fame by association' it seems.
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Post by gillyp on Mar 8, 2023 16:09:13 GMT
Other Royal Houses of Europe have been stripping the grandchildren of titles so the precedent is there should King Charles decide to slim down the family like he has been saying for years. apple.news/AKvjPq8A7Qw6L6YcE4foh0gI wonder if the timing was such that they were waiting for their official invitation to the Coronation and have now hit back with this. “I see your Coronation and raise you one christening and the future use of Royal titles”.
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Post by gillyp on Mar 8, 2023 16:22:36 GMT
ETA: The other thing I find ironic is that the names of Archie's godparents were kept secret. The name of Lillibet's godmother has been kept secret, but her godfather is none other than Tyler Perry. Looking for more of that 'fame by association' it seems. That’s ringing bells with me - wasn’t he talking about being asked ages ago?
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Post by pjaye on Mar 8, 2023 16:37:19 GMT
ETA: The other thing I find ironic is that the names of Archie's godparents were kept secret. The name of Lillibet's godmother has been kept secret, but her godfather is none other than Tyler Perry. Looking for more of that 'fame by association' it seems. That’s ringing bells with me - wasn’t he talking about being asked ages ago? He was on in the Netflix series saying he was asked to be her Godfather...but said he wasn't prepared to fly to London and "do all that" [with the evil/racist royals] The whole situation with him is so dysfunctional, he swallows everything Meghan says about how mistreated they were and even though they'd never met she rang him sobbing and he had to swoop in on his private jet to "rescue" two adults in their late 30s from one of the most privileged families in the world. However I'll bet he says nothing about them using the Prince and Princess titles from that same family he had to save them from and that he refused to attend a Christening with.
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Post by smasonnc on Mar 8, 2023 16:44:48 GMT
To be fair to the family, they held the 1st birthday party during the Queens Platinum Jubilee Who wouldn't plan a one-year-old's birthday party during the Platinum Jubilee? You can get mileage out of your royal victimhood when people can't make it and, besides, why waste all that pageantry? Two birds...one stone. The other thing I find ironic is that the names of Archie's godparents were kept secret. My guess is Oprah and a very baffled George Clooney.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 8, 2023 16:49:54 GMT
To be fair to the family, they held the 1st birthday party during the Queens Platinum Jubilee Who wouldn't plan a one-year-old's birthday party during the Platinum Jubilee? You can get mileage out of your royal victimhood when people can't make it and, besides, why waste all that pageantry? Two birds...one stone. The other thing I find ironic is that the names of Archie's godparents were kept secret. My guess is Oprah and a very baffled George Clooney. Nah, Archie’s godparents aren’t famous. A few of them have been revealed (Megain’s friends and a former Royal nanny). Remember Archie’s christening was before Megxit, so it was a dignified affair.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Mar 8, 2023 17:10:58 GMT
I absolutely believe they were told not to use titles for their kids ( their kids did not have titles on the official RF website) and they did this to force a response. I agree. As of just now, the titles have not been changed on the RF website. If this had been a planned event, they would already have been changed and most likely an official announcement made by the Palace. They basically forced KC hand by having that leaked to People. If he resists, they come at him saying he is racist.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 8, 2023 17:15:16 GMT
To be fair to the family, they held the 1st birthday party during the Queens Platinum Jubilee Who wouldn't plan a one-year-old's birthday party during the Platinum Jubilee? You can get mileage out of your royal victimhood when people can't make it and, besides, why waste all that pageantry? Two birds...one stone. The other thing I find ironic is that the names of Archie's godparents were kept secret. My guess is Oprah and a very baffled George Clooney.
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