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Post by smalltowngirlie on Jun 14, 2023 19:07:04 GMT
How does your company handle when staff want time off? We have a very flexible PTO policy, but it is clearly stated use of PTO must be pre-approved. We don't have a formal system for requesting PTO use. Some have said it is my PTO and I can use it when I want, they don't need approval just need to let us know. We need so many staff working at any one time and if too many request off, we would need to shut down parts of our program. I have been told I can deny PTO, but then I feel like the staff would just not show up or quit or we would be creating a pretty toxic environment.
So do you need to request and wait for approval for time off? Can you pretty much just inform your agency you are taking time off?
I know this can vary greatly from company to company. Even within our own agency, the staffing needs vary a lot.
Thank you.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Jun 14, 2023 19:13:35 GMT
At our grocery store it goes by seniority. When the new work year starts a list of when you want to take your vacation goes around.
I didn’t know about a vacation until a few weeks ago and put it in. Since no one above me put in for the same week and they had enough coverage, my request was approved.
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anaterra
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Post by anaterra on Jun 14, 2023 19:19:07 GMT
I work on a production line... we get 2 weeks of sick days every year...and 1 week of vacation every 5 years after the 1st 3 years.... so ive been there 23 years so 4 weeks of vacation...
We have to request it at least 24 hrs in advance... there is an online form to fill out... but you can just txt supervisor if ur off and then fill out the form when you go in... you get approved based on seniority... but it usually isnt a problem for everyone who wants off to get it...because they will just offer the open spots to overtime....
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Jun 14, 2023 19:19:09 GMT
My company used to have vacation days and 6 sick days. A couple of years ago we went to one PTO bucket, which I'm not a fan of. I've been in the office with people who are SICK and will even tell you they're sick but they're "not wasting a PTO day" staying home. It makes me very angry because it's very selfish. Especially with the technology today, people can work remotely if they don't want to "waste" a PTO day, just stay home.
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Post by compeateropeator on Jun 14, 2023 19:24:46 GMT
I am probably in a bit of a different situation than most. We have cto, which includes vacation, sick, and holidays. I work 2nd shift for a 365/24 department. There is only two of us that work 2nd, we both work 2 days alone and then both work Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. Our vacation time does need to be approved but we basically have to make sure one of us is working- so my coworker and I work it out and then let our manager know if we are taking time.
When we are taking a week or more it definitely needs to be approved ahead of time because our manager has to schedule someone from another shift to work at. Least one day so that the person working doesn’t have to work 7 days straight.
So long story short it is a combination of both. We can take days as long as we coordinate but ultimately it does need manager approval and if one of us is working they have no real reason to deny.
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Post by holly on Jun 14, 2023 19:35:50 GMT
I work got a government agency. We have to get prior approval but as long as there is enough coverage it’s approved. I usually have to make sure my co-worker and I don’t take the same time off because we support the same program so one of us needs to be here.
My DH has had to deny PTO. He manages recruiters and there have been times they aren’t producing well but want to take a bunch of time off. Nope, not for the good of the company. If you can produce and still take a lot of time off, then sure.
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Post by craftymom101 on Jun 14, 2023 19:37:42 GMT
We get 12 sick days per year, earned at one day per month (no pre-approval needed to take a sick day), and 0-5 years of service receive 2 weeks of vacation time. Every five years of service adds a week of paid vacation, capped at 4 or 5 weeks (I can't remember). Vacation must be pre-approved, and my supervisor asks for a two week notice for vacation time.
I like the system of separate sick and vacation banks. I can take sick leave when I'm sick (or one of my kids is sick), and schedule vacations without worrying about trying to work while sick or not having enough vacation time for the trips we have planned. I also earn comp time for time worked over 40 hours. Right now I have 6.50 hours of comp earned, and I'll earn another several hours tomorrow night because we have a night meeting. I'm using 4 hours of comp time Friday afternoon for a small vacation we have planned.
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Post by tracylynn on Jun 14, 2023 19:39:00 GMT
We have vacation, sick, holiday and personal holidays. The vacation, sick and PHs all work the same way. You don't have to be sick to use sick time. We can roll over 40 hours of sick time a year, so I usually take time off at end of year using sick time to make sure I'm below that 40 hour mark.
As far as vacation, it depends on what part of the company you work in. For most parts, it's basically, if you want to take a day off and you can manage your work load/meetings, great.
For my Team specifically because most of them travel, we know their travel schedule a couple of months ahead. If they are scheduled for travel, they can't ask for those days off. Anything else is free game.
And for one department in our company (a call center) they have to have a certain # of people each day, so they are limited in regards to how many people can be off each day. They aren't able to schedule last minute vacation that easily. They do a bid system at the beginning of each year for the chunks of time (1 weeks segments) based on seniority. Christmas week and Spring break week or based on a draw though. After all that, first come, first serve.
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Post by Gennifer on Jun 14, 2023 19:45:40 GMT
I have unlimited PTO. Technically it has to be approved, but I’ve never had it not approved, so it’s more of a notification than a request.
If I’m ever taking more than one week, I make arrangements to have someone cover my portfolio while I am gone. Otherwise, I just handle my stuff before/after so nothing gets missed.
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Post by psiluvu on Jun 14, 2023 19:46:53 GMT
I get 4 weeks vacation, 10 personal days and unlimited sick time, (I am assuming if sick time was taken advantage of it would be limited but it hasn't been in my 8 yrs). There are 3 of us that do my job, one of has to be working at all times - M-F - 8 - 4 so the three of us just figure it out and then let HR know.
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Post by deekaye on Jun 14, 2023 19:52:51 GMT
Manager here. PTO most certainly needs to be pre-approved. It is my responsibility to make sure there is enough staff to cover the work day. Over 30 years I've probably only denied PTO 2-3 times and it has always been because of coverage. If PTO was denied and an employee still did not show up for work, that would be grounds for discipline.
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Post by littlemama on Jun 14, 2023 19:55:24 GMT
I think all places have an approval process, however, for most places it is just a rubber stamp approval. If it would shut down programs, then it needs to be first come, first served. Another way would be to have a calendar with approved PTO on it and have a policy that only X employees can be off at once. Then it is on them to look and to know they cant be off rather than you needing to deny the time.
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Post by sabrinae on Jun 14, 2023 20:01:09 GMT
It’s mostly a notification at my job. During certain times of year we have to decide who is working when so there are always appropriate staffing. But we generally work that out among ourselves.
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Post by katlady on Jun 14, 2023 20:06:10 GMT
When I first started with the Company I was in a non-management group and vacation was based on seniority. A list went around and you signed up for one week at a time.
As I moved through the company in various groups and management positions, vacation was more relaxed. We knew what days we had to be at work for deadlines, but other than that, we just sent in a request form and it was almost always approved. In my current group, we don’t have staffing issues where there has to be at least one body in the office. Between Christmas and New Years the offices are like a ghost town. If we have no plans, I actually like to work those days because it is so quiet. Then I take the week off after Jan 1st. Groups with year-end deadlines are different though.
Our vacation, personal days, and sick days are different buckets. As a management employee, I don’t have to use a sick days for medical appointments as long as I work at least 4 hours. So I always schedule appointments around 2-3, so then I leave work right after lunch.
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Post by justkat on Jun 14, 2023 20:37:01 GMT
At my hospital vacation requests must be submitted by Jan 31. PTO requests must be made 2 weeks in advance. Bereavement requires a letter from the funeral director. If you need non-bereavement last minute time off it comes out of your pto bank but you must show proof of need.
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Post by ~summer~ on Jun 14, 2023 20:59:43 GMT
We do “request” it - but it never gets denied that I know of. The longer the time off, the more in advance you should let people know. I’m planning to take all of April off next year, and I have already told my manager.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 14, 2023 21:10:37 GMT
I work at a school and am responsible for finding sub coverage….it’s a giant pain in the ass (not the teachers so much, as any teacher knows it’s sometimes easier to come in than making sub plans, it’s the paras/hourly employees). Hourly employees get 11 days/school year personal/sick (no “vacation” time), BUT they also basically get unlimited time without pay. Technically the principal could decline any request she wants to but as you said, then they’ll just call off. I don’t know the answer but there were days I was exhausted trying to juggle to cover every spot.
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Post by busy on Jun 14, 2023 21:14:20 GMT
I am in a dual role right now. At one... we have four weeks of vacation, unlimited sick time, plus 24 holidays (a week off over the 4th of July, a week off at the winter holidays, four day weekends for most federal holidays, three day weekends for Juneteenth and Veterans' Day). We do not request time off. We are a fully remote start up, that's small team of professionals and are expected to select times that will work for our specific team, make plans/identify backup, inform people, and that's it. But that works for the nature of the company, our work, and our team.
My other role, which is running a company owned by my primary company, is a whole different ball of wax. It's a bricks & mortar company that's open to the public six days a week. We do have to have a certain number of people in each of a few different positions on hand to make things work and serve customers. So there's an approval process in place, and requests are supposed to be made at least a week in advance for a day off, and at least a month in advance for multiple days off. In practice, as long as it doesn't cause a staff shortage, if someone wants to take time off on shorter notice and they have the time, I'll approve it.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Jun 14, 2023 21:22:47 GMT
Ok, so I am not too out of line thinking when you want to take time off and email saying - "I am leaving at 2 today" is not OK. No other explanation, just I am leaving. We also have a few staff that like to plan vacations together and then leave us with a big issue to get them covered. I like that staff get along, but it makes it very hard for planning purposes. It affects those we work with, not just the other employees.
I keep seeing this thing on Facebook, like TikTok or a Reel, and it is an employee saying they are taking time off and the manager is saying it needs to be approved. The employee is like - I am not asking for permission to take time off, I am informing you when I will be taking time off. I think it is made to make the manager look bad, but that is not how it works. It also shows they are in a restaurant or retail, so yeah, you need so many staff there at any one time.
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Post by Zee on Jun 14, 2023 21:29:38 GMT
There is a formal request policy and process. But, I am very flexible with my staff when things pop up and in return they are flexible in helping out. Works well for me. You cannot tell me "I can use it whenever", if there is a policy in place. In THEORY you can but if we already have 2 nurses on PTO that shift you're going to have to choose a different day if we can't accommodate. That is the policy. You are free to call out but do that too often and you'll be in corrective action. But again, when this is an issue almost everyone is flexible in covering those shifts including myself. We look out for each other--I know not every unit runs like that and I'm very grateful for my team
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Post by katlady on Jun 14, 2023 21:38:48 GMT
I keep seeing this thing on Facebook, like TikTok or a Reel, and it is an employee saying they are taking time off and the manager is saying it needs to be approved. The employee is like - I am not asking for permission to take time off, I am informing you when I will be taking time off.How old are these people? Just curious because I have a co-worker with this attitude. She is now in her mid-30's, but I've known her for almost 10 years. The first time I heard her say that it kind of blew me away. I mean, our process as I mentioned already is pretty relaxed, but I still make sure it is ok to take vacation, especially a long one. She is the same with most things in her life, including driving. Putting on her turn signal does not mean she is asking for permission to change lanes, but that she is going to change lanes, now!
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Post by cmpeter on Jun 14, 2023 21:43:11 GMT
It really depends on team/department.
Operations Team - those folks need to provide coverage 24/7, so PTO can be declined if it would result in a coverage issue. Customer Service Team - same thing...we staff the call centers 24/7
My team Product which is a team of exempt employees, all managers and above...we do need to submit our PTO time, but I've never heard of any being denied. We do need to make sure the work still gets done and someone will cover for us should an issue with our product come up. We are very seasonal and I would never intentionally take time off between October 1 and Dec 24. I manage several eCommerce sites and we do 60% of our full year sales during the holidays.
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Post by teacherlisa on Jun 14, 2023 23:01:05 GMT
I am a 911 dispatcher. We have minimum staffing levels that must be met, and there is a nationwide shortage of dispatchers. I have a very good benefits package for sick and annual leave. All leave has to be approved and is often denied due to staffing.
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Post by melodyesch on Jun 14, 2023 23:12:36 GMT
It’s mostly a notification at my job. During certain times of year we have to decide who is working when so there are always appropriate staffing. But we generally work that out among ourselves. This is how it is at my company in my department. We work it out amongst ourselves. Generally we trade off Christmas and Thanksgiving, but other times you just put it on the calendar, first come, first served. My big vacation to Germany is already on the calendar for May, 2024.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jun 15, 2023 0:43:16 GMT
We had unlimited FTO for salaried employees and PTO for hourly. Both required supervisor approval, regardless of position. Depending on department/position, some requests had deadlines to submit to ensure coverage.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jun 15, 2023 1:09:41 GMT
I work for a fairly large company. We have to submit a leave request in the leave system which is then approved by our direct manager, and is tied into the payroll system. In my team of six people, we have an Excel spreadsheet where we put in our leave. This is to make sure everyone in the team can see when others will be on leave. We can only have one person off at a time (unless there are special circumstances).
When my kids were in school, I used to put in my leave requests for the following year in about September. This was so I could get one week off every set of school holidays (January, April, July, September). Luckily nobody else had school aged kids, so I was pretty much always able to get leave when I wanted.
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Post by candleangie on Jun 15, 2023 5:08:23 GMT
They submit a time off request form that tells me what days, whether they’re using PTO or asking to adjust their days off, etc.
I approve it on a first come, first served basis. (It’s REALLY rare to run into a problem)
The form gets signed off as approved and a copy is returned to the employee OR not approved with a “let’s chat” note so we can try and figure something out for them.
ETA: this is retail, not office. So coverage is the defining issue.
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Post by 950nancy on Jun 15, 2023 6:25:38 GMT
As a teacher, we could take sick time (8 days) as needed. Our personal time (2-3 days) had to be pre approved by the principal. If we wanted/needed to take more than that, we had to have it approved by district administration. And by then they took a full day's pay out of our paycheck as well as any benefits (health, retirement, etc.). It would end up costing you almost 2 days of pay. We also had black out days on Mondays and Fridays for the last few months of the year and we knew we couldn't ask for personal time off those days and if we had to be out for sickness, the other teachers in the building had to cover our class (or divide them up into the the other teachers' rooms without any compensation). Thankfully I was very rarely out of the building. It just was too hard. Writing sub plans on top of it (up to 90 minutes to plan and pull lessons and copies) made it so people just came in sick.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Jun 15, 2023 12:43:23 GMT
I keep seeing this thing on Facebook, like TikTok or a Reel, and it is an employee saying they are taking time off and the manager is saying it needs to be approved. The employee is like - I am not asking for permission to take time off, I am informing you when I will be taking time off.How old are these people? Just curious because I have a co-worker with this attitude. She is now in her mid-30's, but I've known her for almost 10 years. The first time I heard her say that it kind of blew me away. I mean, our process as I mentioned already is pretty relaxed, but I still make sure it is ok to take vacation, especially a long one. She is the same with most things in her life, including driving. Putting on her turn signal does not mean she is asking for permission to change lanes, but that she is going to change lanes, now! In the video they look about mid 20's. I let my director know when I want time off and if there is a concern to let me know. She has said there are times she would deny because of my job responsibilities at that time. I am the one planning everything, so yeah, I need to be there. I also would not request time off then. Around holidays we often run into people wanting more time off. She makes sure there are at least 2 managers available for emergencies. We just talked about July 3rd. She said she would not approve anymore managers requests for time off because we need someone available. I said I had planned on working.
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Post by Linda on Jun 15, 2023 14:01:24 GMT
Dh is salaried - he doesn't have a specific number of days 'sick leave' and they are not encouraged to work sick - working from home is an option though. Vacation - I think he gets 4 weeks, it might be 5 now. If he's taking a block of time (week) then he does make sure that at least one of 2 other specific people will be in office then (he's a supervisor - so either the supervisor of the other related dept or his boss - the 3 cover for each other).
If he needs to take time off for an appointment - it's just a case of letting his boss know and making sure his work gets done - he does take off more often for appointments than some...I don't drive so he's off for his, mine, and DD's
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